Elemental Trinity: Endgame

[moth]

Hello everyone!! We want to make our glitter extra special so we bought some extra special glow in the dark glitter. We ended up using most of it but we have a lot of basic colors still left!

COLOR LIST

If we can't see your color or if it's the mods or close to the mods pick a new glitter color pweaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase

Oh and as a side effect of using all the glitter and being The Glitter Patrol it made us ascetic. But we wants to spread the glitter to everyone...Especially the scums. That'd cheer them up and make them all happy and not usurp anymore if they get enough glitter.

Who wants some glitter??

You know how someone makes an early game joke and it seems funny... then you keep reading... keep reading. And you realize they want you to know they took that much time to write a joke...

So then you realize.

(Oh sweet overcompensating scum)

VOTE: the glitter patrol

[moth]

Its not RVS? What part of what I said implied it was random?

[moth]

I just dont think town typically try to overdo it on joke posts. It was rather long winded. Could have been a sentence about glitter. Instead it felt like it could decay into a full blown retelling of the simarillion of glitter.

[moth]

I just dont think town typically try to overdo it on joke posts. It was rather long winded. Could have been a sentence about glitter. Instead it felt like it could decay into a full blown retelling of the simarillion of glitter.

What would the scum motivation be?

A. Set a precedent to fellow scumteam to keep a joke phase going and meter out posts in length and uselessness.

B. Establish themself as scum jokester allowing others to lurk while they distract and play off the post as sillyness.

C. Appear innocent by joking but make the joke just long enough to keep people occupied reading it.

(By the way i'm moth; hi)

[moth]

I just dont think town typically try to overdo it on joke posts. It was rather long winded. Could have been a sentence about glitter. Instead it felt like it could decay into a full blown retelling of the simarillion of glitter.

Why don't you think town tpyically try to voerdo it on jokes?
Why is this AI?
Why would scum put more time into writing a joke post? What is the scum motivation behind it?
-Akarin

Those are all good questions.

I think town want to get serious asap and avoid derailing a conversation before it begins.

I also dont understand the AI question.

I think scum put more time into everything, jokes, serious posts, reads, and are less likely to appear to be firing from the hip.

[moth]

I just dont think town typically try to overdo it on joke posts. It was rather long winded. Could have been a sentence about glitter. Instead it felt like it could decay into a full blown retelling of the simarillion of glitter.

What would the scum motivation be?

A. Set a precedent to fellow scumteam to keep a joke phase going and meter out posts in length and uselessness.

B. Establish themself as scum jokester allowing others to lurk while they distract and play off the post as sillyness.

C. Appear innocent by joking but make the joke just long enough to keep people occupied reading it.

(By the way i'm moth; hi)

A. Why makes you think they are trying to extend the RVS phase? What gives you the impression they will be useless all game?
B. Why can't town make those jokes? How did you get this off of one post again?
C. Why can't they just have fun?
D. What do you expect to happen within the first page?
-Akarin

A. The RVS phase is only valuable for sifting out nonposters and lurkfest. Its meaningless if filled with jokes.

B. Town can make jokes. I love to joke. But I also like to dive right in. Jokes happen when they happen.

C. I have fun catching scum. Thats fun.

D. Scum always post page 1. Great place to hide because someone always dismisses the liklihood scum would post page 1. Plus people always dismiss everything as jokes page 1 or attack someone for overanalysis.

[moth]

A. I didnt actually see anyone had voted them. I got to their post. Nodded and said yup. Thats scum.

B. See above.

D. What happened here? Its my moral treatise on scumology. Always look for one of them. Its an easier pool to read off and proves true regularly.

[moth]

D. Scum always post page 1. Great place to hide because someone always dismisses the liklihood scum would post page 1. Plus people always dismiss everything as jokes page 1 or attack someone for overanalysis.

This kinda sounds like newbtown.

~Jae

why aren't you letting him to answer my question about his game records?

Overall 13-1 in forum based mafia.
1 win as scum as a janitor role
I tend to talk alot, question alot and ruffle feathers while also typically getting killed alot.
I play tons of resistance/avalon.
Used to play alot of live mafia also.

[moth]

A. I didnt actually see anyone had voted them. I got to their post. Nodded and said yup. Thats scum.

B. See above.

D. What happened here? Its my moral treatise on scumology. Always look for one of them. Its an easier pool to read off and proves true regularly.

If you thought you caught scum why didn't you attempt to pressure them or ask any questions.
-Akarin

I dont believe I have any questions to ask them. Ive not had a chance yet as ive been mostly answering the dozen and a half queries ive been sent since my vote.

[moth]

I tend to talk alot, question alot and ruffle feathers while also typically getting killed alot.

Why aren't you doing this now to your scumread if you thought you caught scum?
-Akarin

Look how engaged people are already?
Are we still joking?

Would you like to be my friend?

[moth]

Not doubtcasting, I want reasons for strong statements like that so I can judge if it's genuine.

ahhh Nah You were doubtcasting

That wasn't towny way for pushing a read o.o

I didn't have a read on Postie, I wanted reasons for an early townread on someone who I think will play emotionally regardless of alignment so I could read whether nancy was genuine in her townread.

You *want* reasons to townread someone based on meta.

Why would that help anyone glean anything other than you?

[moth]

You said it was a good vote.

and you voted to look good?

No I voted because you said it was a good vote.

Flawless logic.
Absolutely flawless.
Why do I feel like scum would jump on FA when FA said that?
Gut pings are triggering...
-Akarin

So are you townslipping FA then ?

[moth]

Lol FA why did you claim there again?
-Akarin

I keep thinking your name says anakin. And it makes me think of hayden christiansen and its triggering me.

[moth]

moth, what's your read on NBA?

Aggressive. Talking. Nothing scummy so far? The bit where they implied FA was town and you were scum was the first moment I saw a hint of possible scum here.

[moth]

moth needs to tell us his game records

Already did. You were talking so much asking me questions for every reply you didnt see it.

I said plain as day 13-1
1 win as scum as a janitor.
The rest were town. Lost once as a vt. Won mvp.

Would you like my horoscope too?

Pisces

[moth]

VOTE: Creature

obvtown when you come on if you're town please.

Going to confer with Math since we have content.

~Jae

pedit: lol FA was just moving that before I went to talk to Math.

Oh my gosh.
This is literally just habitual
meta farming. You arent even talking to anyone specific.

[moth]

moth, what's your read on NBA?

Aggressive. Talking. Nothing scummy so far? The bit where they implied FA was town and you were scum was the first moment I saw a hint of possible scum here.

why

Why

[moth]

The bit where they implied FA was town and you were scum was the first moment I saw a hint of possible scum here.

And you got this conclusion, how again?
-Akarin

I asked if you townslipped FA. And you ignored me.

[moth]

moth you're being awfully friendly with NBA considering you're scumreading another player for doing the exact same thing they've been doing.

Glitter and NBA are doing the exact same things?

This sounds like a groundbreaking case. Do post quotes and analysis showing the similarities. Then maybe we got 2 scum nailed to a wall.

My gut tells me its glitter and that guy who pretended hes gonna be too busy to keep up a page or two back.

[moth]

VOTE: moth

are you a drealmerz alt bro

Who is drealmerz?
What is alt?
I am not your bro, homie

[moth]

I want to lynch half the playerlist right now.

We lose if that happens

[moth]

VOTE: moth

Good night.

Its morning.
Either you arent sleeping and thats why you arent finding scum.
Or you are scum.

[moth]

moth can be the vig tbh

Why on earth would you speculate on what roles people are?

[moth]

@Vecna thanks for the sheeping lil goosey gobbler.

[moth]

I have noticed the game started but it is bedtime and I will not be back for up to 18 hours due to appointments tomorrow.
7 pages during the time I was reading another high velocity game does not bode well for being able to keep up, but hopefully I'll manage.

This post is bull. He is my #2 scumread behind glitterpants.

[moth]

I have noticed the game started but it is bedtime and I will not be back for up to 18 hours due to appointments tomorrow.
7 pages during the time I was reading another high velocity game does not bode well for being able to keep up, but hopefully I'll manage.

This post is bull. He is my #2 scumread behind glitterpants.

This is pure crap ... (sorry for being hash but it seriously is)

Ive seen so many scum lurk day one and say they are busy farming/teaching/reading/have ebola/ect.

Its a great alibi for pretending to have no info. Why not just simply post a question, reply to something? Why wait to 7 pages in to promise nonparticipation.

[moth]

this is MS

days are 14 days long

people have to post once in each 24 hours

and so many town people will lurk

sorry for ruining your fantasies

Only town will lurk?

Will **Only** town promise to lurk?

[moth]

Because in 201 they flat out used a meta argument.

[moth]

plus I actually an see someone going wtf - I an't read 7 pages now - will do that tomorrow

Thats not what he said. Lol

[moth]

VOTE: Creature

obvtown when you come on if you're town please.

Going to confer with Math since we have content.

~Jae

pedit: lol FA was just moving that before I went to talk to Math.

It implied they know someone is obv town merely by coming online.

So I asked why they would be conf biased by a purely meta read.

[moth]

Is it possible scum talked about me in the scum PT and moth slipped the info in 210?

Huh? Scum can only meet at night. How the hell would this even be possible

[moth]

Is it possible scum talked about me in the scum PT and moth slipped the info in 210?

Huh? Scum can only meet at night. How the hell would this even be possible

Was this confirmed?

Scum were allowed to talk about there picks pre game? Eh that makes sense.

Or this?

~ThinkBig

Ive never been in a mafia game anywhere that allows a pregame encryptor QT. Where does it say this exists?

[moth]

More importantly even if it did my vote on glitter is not subtle at all. So basically you are hoping that I am scum based on botched pregame strategy and banking on that im also terrible at playing scum in general.

Ask vecna/fluminator/kfc about my scum meta. Im much angrier as scum, I post music videos and in general try to buddy people like crazy as scum.

[moth]

Bad MariaR

Pedit: *you're

pregame talks is RC typical I think

Never played as scum in an RC game though - just as observer of some of his games

Okay so its normal. Thats fine. Dont you think it this would actually *validate* my comments that scum would post page 1 - or at least one scum would be designated as a jokester early game. Another scum set on lurk mode.

[moth]

moth is obviously a new MS player

VOTE: Postie

Postie is interesting. Their voting lacks any stated reasons at all. I dont know if scum are so blatant to fling around 7 votes and have zero reasoning for the votes.

Null read currently.

[moth]

FA it's dumbtell he's scum

That sounds like some tomfoolery I thought id never have to longsuffer through again after leaving epic mafia.

Its certainly not a reason I want to be towncleared for but this notion that the scumteam says "hey moth make sure you vote glitter right away, oh and make it obvious as possible" is kind of moronic.

Can you at least provide your own read of glitter instead of chainsawwing for them?

[moth]

Votes aren't supposed to contain wikipedia article like explanations.

Uh, I didnt ask for a lenghty one.

But literally 3/6 votes had nothing else. Why would anyone follow someone whos just voting like they are playing whack-a-mole

[moth]

Fuck nvm you're right his site meta is nonexistent.

Perhaps you are overly reliant on meta to guide how you read actions.

[moth]

I see why McMenno thought moth was a d7 alt now.

Just for clarity sake what does this mean?

Is this a cobstructive observation to help someone specific understand something about me or about you?

Is this to imply some details about my playstyle?

Who is d7?

Why are you wasting page real estate worrying about what my meta resembles?

[moth]

More importantly even if it did my vote on glitter is not subtle at all. So basically you are hoping that I am scum based on botched pregame strategy and banking on that im also terrible at playing scum in general.

Ask vecna/fluminator/kfc about my scum meta. Im much angrier as scum, I post music videos and in general try to buddy people like crazy as scum.

This contains several appeals to authority. (Vecna, Fluminator, and KFC know I am town.)
This contains a reduction strawman. (You're banking on me being terrible but I am not, so I cannot be scum.)
The most important thing to you is your lack of subtle vote on Glitter. (Who cares? I am waiting on Titus to get on to deal with Glitter.)
Look at my meta, I cannot be scum. (You can use a different playstyle.)

The point remains. Daychat is possible. Moth is acting like its impossible. I am rather suspicious of Creature for coaching Moth if no daytalk.

It also indicates a really nervous tone that I want to push on.

VOTE: Moth

~ThinkBig

Not really appeals to authority. They just know my style while others do. I was not aware of a pregame thread to discuss plans. Im not acting like its impossible so thats silly. I dont even know who creature is so how are they coaching me?

[moth]

Actually, where moth is taking his scum meta from? He didn't play scum here.

Its rather irrelevant.

I am townreading FA, Transcend currently.

[moth]

Also I didnt use reduction strawman to townclear vecna-KFC-fluminator I simply said they know me and have seen my scum hueristic.

[moth]

He thinks that any SvS interaction must be coached.

So the implication is that I am incapable of knowing how to interact with other scum?

[moth]

I see why McMenno thought moth was a d7 alt now.

Just for clarity sake what does this mean?

Is this a cobstructive observation to help someone specific understand something about me or about you?

Is this to imply some details about my playstyle?

Who is d7?

Why are you wasting page real estate worrying about what my meta resembles?

You just invoked a meta defense and you're wondering why people want to solve your meta?

~ThinkBig

The defense is working great too. My wagon is growing lol.

[moth]

can you please forget EVERYTHING about your HS and how you played there and restart your meta?

I am pretty sure thats what I am doing. You asked me like 15 times to give you my mafia history, what my record was/is and demanded I submit 12 letters of recomendation, my CV, my zodiac (rat) and ooh look at this pretty moth. Would you lynch this pretty moth?

[moth]

Do you have questions about why?

[moth]

I townread you FA because you are asking questions that help more than just you. You are aggressive and seem genuine.

Transcend is not afraid to list multiple people as townreads. He also is not sure of Vecna which I find compelling.

@Vecna whats your read on transcend and why? And on me?

[moth]

Do you have questions about why?

I have questions about why you didn't do waht you asked everyone else to do and why your readlist is so empty

I dont know about everyone else. Not much has happened. The postie things odd. NBA is odd. But if postie is scum NBA is town. So theres that

[moth]

Transcend and Frozen Angel idk

did you miss my claim?

even middle grounding my lynch is a scum claim >.>

Yea why did you feel the need to claim under no pressure at all?

[moth]

Transcend is not afraid to list multiple people as townreads. He also is not sure of Vecna which I find compelling.

Elaborate this please >.>

It makes no sense

If he were scum why townclear multiple people? Isnt transcend a pretty big name player on this site? That would be rather silly to telegraph yourself in a setup like this.

[moth]

creature why aren't you commenting about my claim?

So you are required to claim? I dont understand what that role even means. Sounds overly convoluted. We should talk about who seems scummy and not waste time worrying about what roles town has.

If theres some value to claiming and its a reaction test thats one thing. Just seems like you want more attention than is necessary.

But im an attention hog so I understand

[moth]

Yume
Lil Uzi Vert
McMenno
TiphaineDeath
MariaR
Vecna
Davesazu
Transcend

Frozen Angel

Make your pick

So what is this list?

Who are you directing this list at?

[moth]

Transcend is like "he's probably gonna flip town but vig him anyway"

I wasnt a big fan of your list. It left off alot of people and you gave no reason why any of them were on the list. I wasnt sure if the list was you narrowing whom to night kill or who was scum or who had a fun avatar. You didnt say

[moth]

Up to 11. Far claimed something, eh? This merits study.

Why would it merit further study? You posted page 7 and said you cant keep up.

Now someone voted you and poof; you are like robin williams

[moth]

I strike out anyone who I find unlikely to be scum, everybody else is PoE.

This I can get behind. Why eliminate KFC and glitter though? What removed them via POE?

[moth]

Sorry FA.

[moth]

@Rach I will join that wagon if glitter loses viability.

[moth]

@creature what towncleared glitter for you?

[moth]

I hate nancy's entire progression on the caught-the-scumteam thing.

I actually like this comment by postie.

Nancy's game so far is obstructive and patently obnoxious. It takes monstrous logic leaps; tries to guess the game without doing any actual hunting and just comes off as elitist.

However nancy's play is alot more likely to be dbag town who is just trying to be annoying. Scum wouldnt risk being so stupid.

Postie maybe dislikes nancy's scumreads because she actually got 2 or 3 right?

[moth]

@mcmenno I said people shouldnt rely on meta. People asked repeatedly about my meta. I said kfc/vecna/fluminator know my meta a little more than anyone here would. If you wanted to feel free to ask. If you wanna read me based on this game thats uhh you know also a solid plan

[moth]

how will town!you get mislynched/vigged this game

a hilarious incident involving yourself, the vengeful ghost of drealmerz7 and a banana

@moth at first you said people relying on meta are bad and scummy >:(, but later on you defended yourself by saying "hey this is my towngame, ask who/the fuck/cares they know about my scum/towngame" what do you have to say for yoruself

Actually on rereading this quote yer just making crap up. Show me where I EVER said "people relying on meta are scummy". I said glitter was using meta to townclear people before theyd even posted.

I did say my town game is less angry and as scum I tend to buddy people and bus and post videos.

Not sure if you are reading me?

[moth]

How can I be maybe newb town and also scum with creature?

[moth]

Glitter is scum.
The way they keep hedging every read and only pairing up one player with another saying x is y if and only if y is a turnip. Its nonsensical gibberish to fill pages. This analyze everything style? Are you literally going to go through every single page and hedge every read?

[moth]

Glitter is scum.
The way they keep hedging every read and only pairing up one player with another saying x is y if and only if y is a turnip. Its nonsensical gibberish to fill pages. This analyze everything style? Are you literally going to go through every single page and hedge every read?

I hunt through if X is scum then Y is town. If Y is town Z is scum.
If any of those fall apart (e.g Y is scum) then I go back and reevaluate X and Z because I had similar alignments for them.
I hunt for scum by finding possible worlds then keep narrowing them down.
Part of the reason RVS is painful.

~~Math

No no no. See thats wet garbage. That isnt scum hunting. Thats not analysis. Thats sifting through pages and conf biasing that scum are push-pull exercising each other like this is planet fitness. Its hedgy, overly convoluted and is an easy way to look like you are hunting while actually playing mental gymnastics with us.

[moth]

moth you're being awfully friendly with NBA considering you're scumreading another player for doing the exact same thing they've been doing.

And Postie probably scum with them.

Postie if you're scum I has sads.

~~Math

So you are saying postie is talking to me openly here about a fellow scum member NBA?

Can you provide more thought on this or is it hedgey like the rest of them.

[moth]

Wow. Look how defensive you just got. Is it starting to get real you might get D1'd by a newb?

[moth]

Its overly verbose too.
Mislynched: when a town aligned player is mistakenly lynched.

"I get D1 mislynched as Town (town capitalized) all the time.

@glitter all the time? How many times have you been mislynched day 1?

How many times has town successfully lynched you when you were scum?

[moth]

I care about the other stuff now. If someones resume includes dying for information D1 a lot thats a net positive. The town tell part is significantly less awkward than the going through every page and hedging every read vs another read saying bill is scum because bob smells funny.

Thats not hunting.

[moth]

Saying I am scum because postie asked me why I dont scumread NBA ------ then suddenly NBA, myself and postie are scum because --- scum would make moves in that manner?? Publicly openly stupidly?

This is spurrious lazy hunting that has no supporting actual idea behind it. Have you ever been in a game where scum make it that easy and obvious for you?

[moth]

Town: FA, Transcend, NBA, Uzi, Rach, Vecna, nancy

Null: yume, postie
Scum: glitter, dave

Everyone else no idea. Ask me questions and youll be worth talking to.

[moth]

Can you explain that to me as opposed to using appeal to audience?

[moth]

Because my reads dont include three scumreads yet that means im lying?

[moth]

Because my reads dont include three scumreads yet that means im lying?

To me yes.

~~Math

So you only scumread what you deem easy to find obvious groupings of three like me, NBA, and postie. "Scum typically operate in triangular thinking" and fear joining a wagon unless they can " hop on third." Ive heard that shtick before.

I kinda wonder why you feel eager to dismiss my case on you so quickly and move on to other matters if you truly feel youve caught three scum.

Wouldnt you be prosecuting the case better? Calling for people to join the wagon? A scum flip day 1 would be fabulous. Instead you seem to know this is a dead end so you arent really pushing it much. Feels more like boosting a counter wagon out of self preservation than out of geniune hunting.

[moth]

Lol that is funny. Considering we are practically VT ATM the last thing I give two shits about is self preservation.
That egg on your face is going to be horrible
Ascum one day flip would be fabulous but I am trying feedback on how to improve my play.
Even though I strongly feel Postie/you/NBA is a thing screaming it doesn't get people to listen.

~~Math

"We are practically VT ATM"
Is this just blatant fishing for PR confirmations now?


How would I have egg on my face about *any* town flipping - If I were scum?
*this is a total oxymoron scumslip*

[moth]

I cant accidentally have egg on my face if I prosecute a case vs someone and im scum and they flip town. That would require me to be unaware of your role entirely. Which unless your saying im traitor makes no sense how I could be scum.

[moth]

At least that makes sense. But egg on the face is a given anytime you are scum prosecuting a lynch loud and proud. But moreso if you are town and have to explain it later. So if they want to shrug off my vote like it sounds like - that implies they dont really scumread me they just dont wanna die.

[moth]

At least that makes sense. But egg on the face is a given anytime you are scum prosecuting a lynch loud and proud. But moreso if you are town and have to explain it later. So if they want to shrug off my vote like it sounds like - that implies they dont really scumread me they just dont wanna die.

Still illogical. Egg on face is not given anytime a slot flips town at all.

I don't see them shrugging off your vote. In fact, they look like they cannot shake a PoV that you are scum.

~ThinkBig

IF Player A is scum and pushes a lynch on a townie = yes that townie flipping town will always cause scum player to have egg on face.

Your argument is basic. Lacks oversight.

IF Player B is town and pushes a lynch on town player B will have egg on face MORESO than above example because above A knew what he/she was in for and will be prepared. Egg on face implies shock at a flip.

If im freakin scum im not gonna be shocked at a town flip unless im traitor.

They cant shake the POV I am scum because theyre morons or scum themselves. Lol.

[moth]

How is this so hard to comprehend? I feel like im speaking German or something.

Precondition: bob orders a pie. Doesnt know it has eggs and fireworks in it. Fireworks explode. He gets egg in face.

Precondition: bob knows what was put in all the pies. He eats one anyway. Face covered in egg in front of the whole bah mitsfah.

Which one has to fake shock and awe?
Which one has egg on the face? (Both)

Thus its a given. Your argument is invalid.

Which leads to a unique question: why are you so heavily and desperately defending glitter from mean big bad moth?

[moth]

I stated my townreads a few pages back
Feel free to investigate and... you know actually go read and stop chaimsawwing for glitter anytime.

[moth]

I mean thats a solid question. Why is postie softballing me a read on NBA?

They asked me twice for that read.

I gave my answer.

I null read postie for this interaction.

This sounds like a question you should be asking postie; if you actually wanted to get an answer.

[moth]

Not sure why postie picked NBA to ask me about. I wasnt scumreading NBA and still am not.

[moth]

that hydra will be obv town or scum when math starts posting so ehh

I don't like moth post

seems "try hard" for an omgus vote

So youve had time to consider glitter now since these remarks.

Any conclusion?

[moth]

why did your hydra partner vote creature math

and why did you unvote?

We talked about our reads pregame.

I am also waiting on something I haven't seen yet.

We want Creature Transcend among others to be obvTown.

That initial vote was a way to try to find out.

However something is bugging me and I am not liking something so I unvoted to see if it would rectify.

~~Math

This looks deliciously scummy. They pregamed whom to pressure? Why the hell would town care about doing that?

[moth]

Voices its interesting you picked NBA but not postie.

[moth]

Where is my dear old friend Nils Holgersson?
@Vecna you dont normally lurk when ive played with you. Is that some mafiascum exclusive playstyle?

[moth]

Nancy ive been called derpy, special and retarded so far. You are defending glitter here.

What have I said as a personal attack on glitter?

A. Their case vs me is wet garbage
B. Their reads are hedgy
C. Their play is anti town and convoluted
D. Their posts (linking us to radndom quotes from old games) is mental gymnastics.

Yep not seeing the vicious personal attacks in there. I have however been called multiple names so far.

[moth]

Derpy is not a polite term. Its derogertory slang for people with down syndrome. So no I will not change its definition to suit you or anyone. You can apologize or drop it.

[moth]

My family takes care of people with disabilities too. So I dont find it funny to imply im being vicious when other people are attacking my character and you laugh about it.

[moth]

I find their play deliberately scummy, not unintelligent at all. (Does that explain my position??)

[moth]

Im not going to join urban dictionary to learn what slang words you are incorrectly using.

[moth]

Im here to play mafia not learn how to be a millenial

[moth]

I said glitter was using meta to townclear people before theyd even posted.

Only read up to here catching up after I woke, but I think you misunderstood what I was trying to do there. I wasn't saying Creature was town, I was asking him to make it known if he is when he comes online.

And I feel he did, tbh.

Like, I think you're town but your methods are really off and you should probably read a few games on here to reset your opinions of what is scummy.

~Jae

Woah you suddenly townread me?

[moth]

Uh im having a hard time keeping up with understanding how you can be voting me and actively saying im scum with postie and NBA when you arent even in agreement with *yourself* on if thats real.

At the moment I dont feel too concerned about my wagon. I always talk alot and get a ton of attention. Scum usually have 1 on me.

[moth]

People always scumread me because I find unorthodox ways to catch scum. I guess. I flail. Its common to think im spammy/insane/stupid

[moth]

@anyone
Ive never played vs this hydra nonsense.
Is there a hydra strategy where one side of the head reads someone one way and the other the opposite?

Do town aligned hydras do that normally is-there a dom-submissive element to it?

It seems weird to play as two people who are bi polar about their own in game reads

[moth]

I get the vibe that nancy literally doesnt care who gets lynched.

[moth]

"To blunt their anti town character"

Explain

[moth]

Youve improved alot on my reads. I dont scumread you.

Scumreads on Yume, Peregeine, TD, and glitter

I dont have a 5th as of yet. Nancy has downgraded to null for me.

Everyone else is town or slight town.

KFC is overwhelmed by thread size. That seems believable for a variety of reasons. I dont see them as scum.

By the way there is little to no value in shooting until everyone has at least voted for someone. I disagree with the wagons on trans, kfc, and myself. Im not gonna try shrugging mcmenno off (that could be a scum, theyve said next to nothing)

[moth]

We have spent probably 29/58 pages speculating on roles claims powers factions hydra heads neighborhoods passive abilities who to shoot

Why do people think KFC or Trans are scum?

Among Yume, Peregrine, Vecna, mcmenno and TD who seems scummiest and why

[moth]

In the meantime why is KFC scum?
@KFC what is scummy about Transcend?


@dave I made that comment an hour ago lol

[moth]

I think thats an interesting observation. KFC is commenting on FA flailing ariund asking to be subbed out and making a big scene. (My interpretation)

What fights do you think KFC would be excited about?

[moth]

What posts convinced you transcend is scum? Can anyone link me to a case or a scummy moment or quote something?

[moth]

@KFC whats your read on glitter?

[moth]

I literally softed my claim at the start of the day jfc

Why would you soft that?

Why at start of day?

Why are you getting emotional about being scumread?

[moth]

"Way I saw it you were scum hiding in the sidelines waiting to capitalize on said fights."

A. Is it possible KFC is scum watching a fellow scum go through a high post - mental breakdown and said this to generate distance? ( this would require FA and KFC to both be scum)

B. Is it possible KFC found FA to be overly dramatic and KFC finds drama in these games unecessary? (This would mean its harmless perhaps)

C. Is it possible KFC is scum, knows FA is town but FA said something accurate at some point so KFC is using the FA mental meltdown drama to cast doubt on FA's ability to sensibly be respected by town?



D. So is it possible KFC is scum watching on the sidelines as a fell

[moth]

D. So is it possible KFC is scum watching on the sidelines as glitter is getting lynched and the purpose is to counterwagon FA or trans and drive would be glitter lynchers into viability?

[moth]

@FA what bothered you so much you asked to be replaced twice? Ive been that upset before. (Never as scum)

[moth]

You hate playing mafia? Thats actually sad to me.

[moth]

I am not judging you. I am playing. I dont think anyone here is judging you as a mother. Furthermore only you know what kind of mom you are not internet trolls. Generally letting these games get overly personal and emotional is an excess form of AtE.

You dont need to even explain why you were away if it was for a funeral. This is just a game and its definetely not therapy.

That said; I understand. I have lost family members before while in mafia games and it affects play/patience and ability to handle stress.

Take a break for a day or two. I took a break yesterday and went on a date and I came back theres 15 pages to read. Thats fun. New content to pour through.

Keep your head up

[moth]

Voices whats your thoughts on yume, mcmennon, TD, vecna, KFC ?

[moth]

meanwhile... lets-talk about Peregrine/yume/TD/KFC/Vecna

I think a scum hides among the lurk brigade.

Methinks TD might be scum.


ALSO BREAKING NEWS

Creature hasnt done anything worthwhile other than arbtrarily cross people off lists without explanation...

[moth]

@voices I am guilty of tunneling. But certainly not lordship. I am new and would be willing to change off lynching glitter but I feel quite earnest that giving up on my top read is a mistake that ive regretted so many times. Its usually 50/50 with me I get it right or I get it pathetically wrong.

[moth]

I read both math and jae as obstructionists. Posting nearly 200 times but not actually organizing thoughts.

The bulk of the posts consist of
A. Grouping two players together and picking some-random moment to say those two have to be scum operating in plain sight. (But no explanation or depth as to why)

B. Posting tons about conferring with matt or conferring with Jae but returning with opposite points of view on scumreads/townreads/ even press style.

C. Driving a narrative that postie/NBA/moth had to be scum but when asked by TD to explain it--'-- there never was an explanation and that path was dropped.

D. Subsequently glitter does a full 180 on reading me as town suddenly. Justifies it by saying 1/2 heads disagrees with the other.

E. Jae claims I scumread maths press. -not actually true- I began the game on this wagon. Took a considerable hit for it and became top wagon myself. I guessed and went on gut that glitter was scum right away and at the time that wasnt math posting.

TLDR: this is a prolific posting scum. They are casting doubt among town by pitting town v town in reads saying they have to be scum together

[moth]

Hi Peregrine. Are you good as scum?

[moth]

Hi Peregrine. Are you good as scum?

No. I'm bad as town or scum. I like playing, but often read things the wrong way.

But, I know my own limits (kind of).

Nahhh you gotta be lying. That avatar is way too epic to be a bad player.

[moth]

Is-it possible voices is faking having a gun to wave it in multiple PRs faces to get them all to claim?

[moth]

I dont think vecna is scum. If that shot is official.

[moth]

I woulda shot yume or TD

[moth]

@Nils I hope you dont die. You loveable little gooserider

[moth]

Well hopefully you survive. Youve done more to keep discussions open than vecna. Conversely its a shame to reward lurking with a clear.

Just to clarify desperado can see through godfathers and things that make someone falsely appear as town yes?

[moth]

Vecna - RIP
Feb 15-2017. - Feb 17 - 2017

[moth]

Honestly I should ignore Titus we just don't see eye to eye on a lot of things

If you don't see eye to eye why are you not trying to see if the hydra is scum?

~~Math

I already gave my opinion on them if they do something scummy I'll comment on it for now I want to leave it alone because Titus and Thinkbig both can make me upset very easily

He is right I mean, I was definetely expecting him to flip town. If thats-what you are asking. Seeing as how Ive never even once seen a vecna scum strategy of lurking.

[moth]

What? I didnt mean to quote that how did that happen?

[moth]

[youtube]https://youtu.be/TH_YbBHVF4g[/youtube]

~Heath

[moth]

Oh cant you see (Vecna)
You belong to mee
My cruel heart aches
With every step you take

Every vote you make
Every claim you fake
Every prepared post
I will be your ghost

I'll be watching you

[moth]

Anyway I have a date tonight but Im not scum. So Veccy, Id ask you to reconsider since you are the clear and people will dutifully follow that read.

[moth]

I'm so fucking mad I wanted to play a game with Titus more than A QUARTER OF A FUCKING DAY. I mean if you're going to townclear someone townclear someone who is actually going to do ANYTHING useful for us????

A. Vecna is now a clear
B. Vecna is now voting your top scumread (moth)
C. You are now voting NBA instead

Conclusion: stop with the fake outrage over titus' death. It seems forced and utterly contrived.

[moth]

Can you stop swearing so much? Or do you need 6 f bombs per post to get attention?

[moth]

A simple "I am disappointed" would have been believable.

[moth]

VOTE: nancy

Contrivances and faux outrage bother me. You werent here when he was asking who to shoot you dont get to be captain hindsight.

Good day madam

[moth]

Back with a cool head. Sorry Moth I can not use curse words if it bothers you. It's second nature to me, I swear a lot. Going to be hard to monitor myself so please remind me if I start forgetting or it/anything else upsets you again.

I believe I labelled Vecna as something like TOWNTOWNTOWNTOWN right after he entered the game so your label of me as captain hindsight is based on nothing in thread. Keep trying though.

There's nothing strange about my voting patterns. I explicitly said that I'd consider anyone attempting to discuss FA's claim to be scumclaiming and I voted davesaz immediately after he did just that. He's scum as far as I'm concerned.

This is condescending after youve falsely tried to characterize me previously as attacking peoples play. I have thick skin. I love swearing when its done believably.

You had no advice on whom to shoot. You keep saying you think I am scum. Youve said so since page 2. Bring it on where is the case, quotes, posts? Where is the evidence?

If dave is scum why are you voting NBA now? Is there a connectiom between me-dave-NBA because holy cow that would be an incredible; albeit inspiring case to read.

(I read your case on NBA and it boiled down to that you think NBA wasnt really scum hunting. You mention that NBA is/was scumreading me early. As far as I know NBA still does scumread me despite me townreading them. So what is the connection? Theyve bussed me for nearly 1500 posts?)

[moth]

Hi Vecna. I know you are our hero now. But ive asked you a dozen or more questions so far and youve ignored me.

You think I am scum because I joked about what you would flip as? I felt strongly you were town. I never once suggested titus take a shot. I would not have claimed were I him. And I actively suggested that we discuss the lurkers vecna, kfc, yume, TD, and mcnennon.

We should use voices top scumreads + yours and come up with a plan.

Voices said DO NOT LYNCH glitter today. Give them til tomorrow.

Here is who voices was scumreading: nancy, me, vecna, uzi...

If im missing anyone post his quotes.

I am a firm believer that in any mafia game **NO TOWN DEATH** must ever **BE IN VAIN**.

especially not a vig. Honor his reads.

[moth]

Meanwhile am I at L1 yet or are we just screwing around ignoring the clear and ignoring dead PR

[moth]

Voices asked if he should have shot me. Some people said no. Vecna says im scum, mcmennon says I am scum, NBA said i was scum, glitter hydra has posted almost 27,000 times and still cant decide if math scumreads me and jae townreads me or if jae is in the matrix and math just did 14 hits of acid.

Lets lynch nancy. Im bored. Or kill me.

[moth]

Theres nothing left to talk about. If we keep talking FA and Glitter will just argue another 11 days reaching no conclusions talking about hoods, coats, veggies and chicken terriyaki

[moth]

^This looks like scum WIFOM^
-Akarin
pedit: LUV PLZ DON'T SWIPE MY SHIT
PEDIT2: CAN I POST?

I claim anakin skywalker.

[moth]

Good god mcmenno is terrible at mafia if theyre scum

[moth]

Im not? Do you know what AtE is?

[moth]

Boredom is not an emotion. Its an actual condition brought on by 11 days to go and all thats happening is the same two blowhards blowing up the game talking about nonsense/hoods and god only knows.

[moth]

Good god mcmenno is terrible at mafia if theyre scum

Interesting.

Do you think his reaction to the result of Voice's shot was genuine?

FA and nancy seemed most fake in reactions to the vecna town reveal.and titus death. Trans seemed kinda capt hindsight and judgy.

[moth]

Boredom is not an emotion. Its an actual condition brought on by 11 days to go and all thats happening is the same two blowhards blowing up the game talking about nonsense/hoods and god only knows.

how can anyone be sure your bored and your not trying to look more towny by expressing it

Sorry are you trying to figure out if im.scum or just wasting page space asking questions?

[moth]

Are you excited to play now at the prospect of me being lynched?

[moth]

Its alright
Its alright
Its alright

Propaneee

[moth]

Trans is one of the best and most famous on this site right?

Ive been strangely underwhelmed so far. But that also makes me think he would be trying harder if he were scum.

[moth]

Townreading him for his reaction to vecna flip is a really bad reason to townread someone

[moth]

Anyone can react to a death.

Nancy reacted absurdly, trans reacted.like.he.was.william. shatner. And FA had a bit of en emotional reaction too.

Peregrine almost didnt even seem to react at all. Then suddenly there was a "oh well that was a bad choice.

[moth]

So Transcend: are they a good town player usually?

[moth]

Tell me about mcmenmon and Yume what is their skill levels? Are they lurkers as both alignments?

VOTE: yume

[moth]

I know you all say its their meta to lurk blah blah blah. I dont respect meta of strangers just as I dont expect any of you to honor mine. Suffice it to say this player has never voted and has posted less than 4 times. One of which was an obv fake claim / crumb

[moth]

Lol. Creature you are rising to the top of my christmas tree

[moth]

Observation: remember this moment.

Reread this game. Anytime someone tries to talk about anyone else. FA changes the topic back to glitter. Why?

[moth]

Observation: remember this moment.

Reread this game. Anytime someone tries to talk about anyone else. FA changes the topic back to glitter. Why?

I talked about trans

got creature read asked him where is glitter

and then he asked me for links

You spoke with glitter for 27 straight pages. Then began today saying you need to talk to glitter.

What else is there to glean?

[moth]

"I want to see if math is town or not".

So are you saying half of glitter is a different alignment?

[moth]

Glitter is a hydra yes?

Also our deceased PR said not to lynch glitter today and suggested nancy, KFC, myself or a lurker.

I follow my dead PRs top reads always

[moth]

Because hes dead and we know his reads were genuine. So I dont want his death to be meaningless since vecna is wimping out. (Sorry love you nils holgersson.)

[moth]

Im not saying sheep but he said not to lynch glitter til D2. He-was desperado he would try harder to distinguish actual town from scum. He misread vecna its unfortunate but that doesnt mean all his reads are wrong. In fact his dying words said to lynch LUV... just saying.

[moth]

You said "it just got deep" or "shit just got real" something like that.

Then you voted glitter

[moth]

I dont relish the thought of being a townclear by powers. I prefer to gain that status through logic, my vote habits, my cases and the ability to follow my nose.

He was soliciting advice on whom to shoot. Peregrine was very vocal about not shooting me. Kinda find it odd.

[moth]

Is there a pere wagon? Maybe I could join that. Nancy or yume are my other ideas for today.

Mriar person seemed town.

[moth]

If postie is scum with NBA why would they call so much attention to NBA early game. Several times postie said I needed to give a read on NBA.

Would scum go out of their way to single each other out like that early?

[moth]

"nancy may be scum but I have four other scum reads are you townreading all of them?"

Postie is still null
NBA was town for me for ages but im losing faith fast.
Trans I need more info about his scum meta. Hes really playing a bit too lazy to be scum. (However the same is true of nancy right uo until her case on NBA)

[moth]

Oh and TD. Id be up for lynching TD

[moth]

moth, what's your read on NBA?

I can't read FA.

VOTE: moth

Changed my mind.

I can't read FA.

VOTE: moth

Changed my mind.

Explain the transition. What changed your mind?
-Akarin

moth needs to answer my 141 first.

>TGP is scum for overdoing the jokes in RVS
>NBA doesn't seem scummy

choose 1

@moth

Glitter and NBA are doing the exact same things?

This sounds like a groundbreaking case. Do post quotes and analysis showing the similarities. Then maybe we got 2 scum nailed to a wall.

My gut tells me its glitter and that guy who pretended hes gonna be too busy to keep up a page or two back.

I mean did they or did they joke around extensively in RVS? What are you implying here?

Ftr FA's claim is most likely true and any doctors should be on her tonight.

Jae, why not engage with people who are in the thread and vote Creature when Creature actually posts?

Okay- weird

Maybe postie is scum with glitter actually

[moth]

Or Scum postie-FA

[moth]

@Postie why did you need me to "choose one" between Glitter or NBA? Why was it a guarantee one was town?

[moth]

VOTE: postie

Lets do this

[moth]

Thank God.

Lets get back to hunting! Postie knew I was town way too fast for my liking. By page 2 postie was saying I was a bad wagon. Huh?

[moth]

Now that keeping up with the kardashians is over why is the game dead all day. We had votes reset and none of the previous wagons rematerialized.

@people who were voting glitter: does vecna reveal as town affect your vote that was here before?

@people who were on me : are you no longer scumreading me based on vecna being town? He is calling for my lynch and subbing out.

@people who have never voted. Why shouldnt we policy lynch you for limiting the discussion (Yume?)

[moth]

@nancy I am still waiting on quotes/votes/patterns and thoughts on how NBA-Dave-myself are scum together.

[moth]

@Mcmenno do you have any reason at all for your vote? Are you reading anything I say at all?

[moth]

Well shit. Vecna and flum are leaving. What the hell am I here for then. Sigh. Thats depressing.

[moth]

Welcome Infinity. I would ask a personal favor that you reread the first few pages if you get a chance. I think some scum opportunistically voted me and some shrewdly townread me too fast.

[moth]

Anyone who took 1527 seriously should note that I was in a mafia game with vecna a few months ago where I kept calling him nils holgersson and he was the doctor in that game. I was vt and we won together. My joke about him flipping scum was a picture of nils holgersson riding a goose. I never suspected even slightly that he would flip scum. So thus I was joking.

[moth]

I didnt think voices was really desperado until he said he was shooting vecna. In #1517 I said I thought It was a bad shot if hes being serious. I went on to note that more than likely he was saccy just to force a lurker to lead town.

Voices was asking for advice. Please note.

[moth]

you won't die shooting scum yes?

and if you die the person is conftown

You definitly should use this today - now that you claimed it >.>

We have spent probably 29/58 pages speculating on roles claims powers factions hydra heads neighborhoods passive abilities who to shoot

Why do people think KFC or Trans are scum?

Among Yume, Peregrine, Vecna, mcmenno and TD who seems scummiest and why

meanwhile... lets-talk about Peregrine/yume/TD/KFC/Vecna

I think a scum hides among the lurk brigade.

Methinks TD might be scum.


ALSO BREAKING NEWS

Creature hasnt done anything worthwhile other than arbtrarily cross people off lists without explanation...

KFC is probably scum. TD might be. Same with Vecna.

Titus I am AFK most of the day. However these are our suggestions for shots

Transcend scum -- Nearly every post is him saying someone "scumclaimed". Then no evidence. No cases no hunting. Compare it to 1841 where he genuinely thought I was scum. There is a huge difference. Plus he said shoot us then lynch him if wrong. That just means he wants you to die for free.

LUV -- This classically meets "underperforming" as either alignment. His reads just don't make sense

NBA -- This is obvScum and trying to force a towntell.

------Abive this line was discussed by the hydra-----

Other options I think are good

Vecna -- wtf is that from Vecna compared to PyP/double deck?

KFC -- For a hydra with enough heads for et. al to be a thing I don't see too many posts here.

Postie -- JaeReed waffles on a scumread back and forth. I am starting to waffle too.

I am AFK most of the day.

I won't apologize for hunting FA when JaeReed originally called it a scumclaim not me. When we both agreed it didn't make sense. When I discuss it with another person and neither of us see it and JaeReed brings up a hydra blitz game where her reaction is the same (granted I can't read 73 pages so I take their word for it) and when they replace out freak it is Town aligned I just ugh.

I swear we were both talking about it and FA calling me an idiot over and over for not understanding and being told that she calls someone a jerk/names when they pressure her as scum and then I see the same thing and her doing what I felt like just trying to discredit us for Transcend is ugh. Maxous did the same thing without emotion.

I thought by repeatedly quoting shit they were trying to dodge our questions because they never got answered.

Last night was horrible but even after reset and talking with JaeReed reads are still similar for me.

~~Math

PeregrineV, why not Vecna?

See, interesting timing here.

When you posted this, Vecna didn't have enough of presence to warrant the vote, despite the cool catch you made.

Now, 30 pages later, I went ahead and ISOed him.

Sure, why not?

Vote: Vecna

This offer valid only in the Continental 48 states excluding Alsaka & Hawaii and while supplies last. Participation may very, and results may vary. Past performance is not indicative of future results. Side effects may include dizziness, nausea, vomiting, explosive diarrhea, loss of eyesight, extreme weight loss or weight gain, loss of nightvision, the power of flight, sterility, virility, malignant or benign tumors or growths, depression, euphoria, suicidal thoughts or tendencies, fatigue, drowsiness, the desire to operate heavy machinery, nerve damage, loss of hearing, superhearing, medical coma, acute or chronic memory loss, enlargement of the prostate, constipation, pain, extreme pain, mild to catastrophic skin rash, headaches, joint pain, muscle pain, high cholesterol, heart disease, heart attack, anxiety, schizophrenia, schizophrenia, schizophrenia, high testosterone, high estrogen, lowered estrogen, lower testosterone, pregnancy, and liver damage. Or until someone scummier comes along.

PeregrineV, why not Vecna?

See, interesting timing here.

When you posted this, Vecna didn't have enough of presence to warrant the vote, despite the cool catch you made.

Now, 30 pages later, I went ahead and ISOed him.

Sure, why not?

Vote: Vecna

This offer valid only in the Continental 48 states excluding Alsaka & Hawaii and while supplies last. Participation may very, and results may vary. Past performance is not indicative of future results. Side effects may include dizziness, nausea, vomiting, explosive diarrhea, loss of eyesight, extreme weight loss or weight gain, loss of nightvision, the power of flight, sterility, virility, malignant or benign tumors or growths, depression, euphoria, suicidal thoughts or tendencies, fatigue, drowsiness, the desire to operate heavy machinery, nerve damage, loss of hearing, superhearing, medical coma, acute or chronic memory loss, enlargement of the prostate, constipation, pain, extreme pain, mild to catastrophic skin rash, headaches, joint pain, muscle pain, high cholesterol, heart disease, heart attack, anxiety, schizophrenia, schizophrenia, schizophrenia, high testosterone, high estrogen, lowered estrogen, lower testosterone, pregnancy, and liver damage. Or until someone scummier comes along.

Other side effects of good jokes include Vecna getting a bullet to the head.

Desperado: Vecna

My hydra partner SRs Transcend, but I don't. My hydra buddy shoots Transcend awhile ago. If we reach lylo plus one day, lynch Transcend.

Vote KFC if we die.

~Titus

It seems like glitter and Pere both baited the shot on vecna. Glitter had very specific reads on all those people convienient timing.

I wanted a discussion not a hipfire. It seems the shot was definetely influenced.

[moth]

FA rushed the shot blatantly and made titus think he had to shoot then and there

[moth]

(((Transcend scum -- Nearly every post is him saying someone "scumclaimed". Then no evidence. No cases no hunting. Compare it to 1841 where he genuinely thought I was scum. There is a huge difference. Plus he said shoot us then lynch him if wrong. That just means he wants you to die for free.

LUV -- This classically meets "underperforming" as either alignment. His reads just don't make sense

NBA -- This is obvScum and trying to force a towntell.

------Abive this line was discussed by the hydra-----

(((WHY DIDNT THIS ALL GET DISCUSSED IF ITS LITERALLY LIFE OR DEATH OF A PR?)))

Other options I think are good

Vecna -- wtf is that from Vecna compared to PyP/double deck?

KFC -- For a hydra with enough heads for et. al to be a thing I don't see too many posts here.

Postie -- JaeReed waffles on a scumread back and forth. I am starting to waffle too.

I am AFK most of the day.)))

[moth]

I find it interesting FA had no suggestions on who to shoot. Only advised titus he shoukd shoot today asap for maximum information...

[moth]

you won't die shooting scum yes?

and if you die the person is conftown

You definitly should use this today - now that you claimed it >.>

you won't die shooting scum yes?

and if you die the person is conftown

You definitly should use this today - now that you claimed it >.>

Yup, which is why we're more focused on drawing people out, laying our criteria, and saying who we won't shoot.

McMenno talked more in the pt though

but that's still next to nothing

@FA, Nope. Not your mom. I am your friend though, at least I think I am. I just want you to be happy.

All of it is related. I am agreeing with you on Math's play being terrible here. Math is considering that if a slot isn't optimal town, then it's scum. Even if there's a universal optimal action (with your roles there isn't), sometimes town are just wrong. I was highlighting the issue so that we could move on and disengage from things and help them reset to work better, civilly with you. Sure, they borked things, but if they don't know where, they're going to keep borking things and good players like you keep getting pissed.

The other behavior is the entitlement theory (not singling out anyone in particular here). That makes it hard for players who are different in thinking to play the game as well.

By highlighting what's causing this, maybe I can help you enjoy things or at least prevent things from getting worse. If I'm failing to help you, I'll stop.

FA uses AtE heavily at this point.

Rereading from 1429-after vecna is shot.

1. FA never advises who to or not to shoot.
2. Uses AtE to distract Titus.
3. Tells him he must use his action soon
4. Pretends not to know what desperado does
5. Gives no reads as Titus asked for and distracts him with threats to sub out.
6. Starts a personal fight with him for no reason.

Reread FA and the only thing that could MAYBE be construed as directing a shot is commenting hedgey that postie was off.

And after the shot is fired FA goes mega hard at glitter. Why wasnt she going so hard at glitter when titus was asking for advice?

[moth]

I think a scum absolutely influenced that shot infinity. Possibly 3 scum in fact (pere, glitter, FA)

[moth]

Influence comes in many forms Pere voted vecna. Then the shot goes on vecna. Think about it

[moth]

This is all pertinent discussions in the 40's after he claimed having a gun.

I'm seriously considering killing moth now or sometime this day phase.

~tb

Would anyone object to me killing Moth? If not now, then later in the day phase?

Heya

Pedit: I object

Yup and I'm not afraid to use it.

I object because Jae and I disagree on Moth.

~~Math

I want to let Jae hunt Moth.

And that is why I kinda don't want to vig Moth. I want to let Jae's read come in and see if I am wrong.

~~Math

And that is why I kinda don't want to vig Moth. I want to let Jae's read come in and see if I am wrong.

~~Math

Fair enough.

We'll probably wait until the day is closer to the deadline anyway.

Why is glitter scum? What's the case on glitter?

Would anyone object to me killing Moth? If not now, then later in the day phase?

sort of, feels more like a policy shot. I admit I could be really wrong on moth being badtown though and Math might be right.

I'd much prefer a shot in Trans, NBA tbh. They've both been super scummy. Wouldn't object to a LUV shot at this point but that's more because he's not towning it up at all and usually I can read some town motivation in his posts but here I'm getting nothing.

There's one more person I think is scum but I need more time to be sure.

~Jae

Fair enough. The advantage is if they are town, we will die instead (desperado). Thus you guys get a confirmed town and save yourselves from a mislynch in the process.

Then no please do not shoot moth under any circumstances. Shoot Transcend.

I am 100% certain on him being a scumflip at this point I am just casing him to Math in our hydra PT so they can add anything and we can hard push.

If you want the short of it:
The shadethrowing on Postie while still calling her town.
The hard tring of Vecna and Uzi when they did nothing town.
RM being obvious town and him scumreading her.
Maria also didn't drop either of her town or scumtells and he was scumreading her.
Actively campaigning for people to not read the thread at one point and just sheep him.

His rainbow reads list is bullshit, and then the way he said about leaving McMenno out not making menno his scum partner was super forced for him and I think he was trying to tie McMenno to him.

The other slot I am scumreading is FA, because she knows Math's town play and is saying after a decent time of seeing Math post that our slot is scummy when this is 100% how Math plays as town and she should know that. There's also the fact that she's not townreading RM when RM is blatant town here. Her posts look more designed to cut out people from correctly townreading other town than to hunt scum.

In either case townfirming one of those or getting rid of one of those as scum will blow this game open. Please consider that. moth has already shown that he doesn't really know how to scumhunt on MS, so townfirming him if he's town is bad when we have much stronger scumhunters, and moth could always just be an investigation or PL if that's the case. Trading you & Titus for moth if he's town is NOT a good trade. Shoot for someone who is scummy but if town is worth your death to confirm.

~Jae

The case is i fos them

You have no idea how badly I want to shoot you right now

I would rather gamble on KFC or Yume.

They're also good shots. Just waiting to hear from titus

They're not good shots because if they're town you're townfirming people who clearly aren't gamesolving. Uzi is trying to make you die a worthless death and is probably scum.

TB I have something to pass on to Titus I'm writing the post now.

~Jae

Shoot glitter lynch me if wrong

Please wait until closer to deadline before shooting anyone?

You're going to have to do more than just say "I FOS them." Especially if you want me to shoot them

I won't be shooting without Titus' consent and without consulting her. I'm heading to bed. See you all tomorrow

Stop asking for a shot and scumhunt. We'll shoot when we're ready.

TB told me y'all are asking.

I am in and out all night. Do not ask. I ain't approving shit.

~Titus

Thinking if I wanna help y'all bus or not.

Dude, why are your reads crap?

Moth is town

They're not

G'day

Uzi Vert, Nancy, moth, vot, Vecna, Creature all town.

Would still lynch rach

Would still lynch glitter

Would possibly lynch MariaR or Postie

Sorry, Titus. I disagree with you strongly on Transcend. We can take it to our hydrae PT or Skype. Would rather not argue it out in the open.

~ThinkBig

PeregrineV can be vigged idrc

Oh yeah KFC can burn too

PeregrineV can be vigged idrc

Oh yeah KFC can burn too

And this is why I scum read you. You are throwing shades everywhere and can't even make a case as to who you want us to vig and why.

This is the last I'll say of this until Titus and I can reach a consensus or compromise.

~TB

I don't think TB would bluff to be honest.

Btw vot are bluffing a gun

You only say this, but just wait until you meet the end of my barrel.

Wait.
Town!Trans makes cases.
I DIDN'T KNOW!
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-Akarin

VOTE: Transcend

If you're not dying or being townfirmed then I want you lynched.

~Jae

Lol look at that shade Jae.



Desperado is a townfirmable role so they come after us.

We'll sort this out in the hood with FA Titus.

I hope you can keep a Transcend shot in mind.

~~Math

1068 is a scum claim zzz

Pedit lmao I'm on mobile :p

Oh lmao okay.

VOTE: Moth

Why not tga

1068 is a scum claim zzz

Pedit lmao I'm on mobile :p

Oh lmao okay.

VOTE: Moth

Why not tga

I'm TRing the fuck out of TGA.

As you can see i really don't care bc glitter are omgus stretching scum and Titus knows I'm town so I'm not getting lynched lol

Pedit literally have my children Uzi

"All 3 people voting me need rope" - JaeReed

Hey glitter, if I help you lynch trans today will you lynch postie with me tomorrow?

Case is pretty bad.

Remind me of your SRs outside of Math and Moth.

Case is pretty bad.

Remind me of your SRs outside of Math and Moth.

I'm not scum reading Moth

[moth]

Feel good about creature's entrance

Did McMenno post and I missed it in trying read through the 16 pages that happened while I was alseep?

Why did people take FA clearly joke claim seriously?

Feeling a bit unsure on the hydrae with Titus and Math mostly because I am not seeing much from them mainly from Titus at this point. Neither is tunneling majorly and that has me somewhat concerned.

Pere seems relaxed, so meh moving along to do real votes now.

need more from dave that was not enough dude I remember Mastin's game after all.

VOTE: Dave

Moth she claimed town tracker on day 1 with results that is clearly a joke and a reaction test

uh creature how come you have me as a town read already?

oh yes Noted on the can't neighborize the Titus hydra which I am just gonna call VoT

I did not say I wanted Titus to tunnel, I said the lack of Titus posts with the usual tunnel is making it hard for me to read your slot

that is typical Creature though

hes prob town.

yeah my vote stays

I need more Dave to convince me you are town.

So-Many-Pages

Ok, stream of consciousness style post incoming.

Nancy, how in the fuck can you agree with the scum I caught and be calling me a newb? Your post #324 bothers me . I get that you retract it later but what is the thought process

Transcend, stop avoiding me dammit. Explain your post 198, please, before I get grumbley at you.

As of 393 I like mariar for town.

398 and 399, oh my goodness. Yes, that list makes no sense, and I enjoy frozen’s calling it out.

408 and 409, seriously puppy, you bugging me now….

PV appears to be posting more than once every month or so, so he is probably town. I mean, they’re not like, useful posts, but they’re posts, and it’s PV so….

Is anyone else seeing 481/482 as a scumslip?

Hey, titus, is creature is scum does it make sense to you that moth is too? Because I can kinda see that, though moth feels more likely to just be newbtown to me, ya’ know?

Creature, please explain post#525, i.e, why is mariar scum?

Rach-Marie’s Dave vote is a little weird, I got nothin’ on the guy right now, but willing to let it slide for now. Also I like her #560, questioning good reads on yourself is inherently a town thing. I know it’s kinda wifomy cause obviously scum know that and do it for the town-ness of it, but I still like it as a town thing.

@NBA’s 599, no, no it does not make any sense at all, and that was the entire-frigging-point, have some town points, but also go read more.

Town
Frozen Angel
Mariar
NBA

Scum
Postie
Transcend
Creature>(Maybe moth?)
Nancy???<Low level read

This makes TD and Rach seem like scum together.

VOTE: rach-marie

[moth]

"Rach-Marie’s Dave vote is a little weird, I got nothin’ on the guy right now, but willing to let it slide for now. Also I like her #560, questioning good reads on yourself is inherently a town thing. I know it’s kinda wifomy cause obviously scum know that and do it for the town-ness of it, but I still like it as a town thing."

The level of fake in that quote is insane.

[moth]

LUV has posted 173 times which is not laying low at all.
FA posted 366 times.
Glitter 237 times

Myself and trans are both in the 180's.

Question 1: you folks on MS scum hunt differently than I do. But in my experience scumteams are-rarely all lurkers. And rarely all prolific posters. Usually they are fanned out in numbers. Who strikes you as the scummiest prolific poster(s)?

Question 2 : read my above posts by Rach Marie. Notice how every post is subtle shade throwing? No conclusions about anyone really and rach has been laying very low. Is there a possibility we have overlooked this person?

Question 3: With FA leaving the game will get alot quieter. Should we be looking at giving their replacement til D2 to adjust/read all the crazy ramblings?

[moth]

Im not talking about roles mcmennon. Im.talking about playstyle. "Heuristics"

Does joey like to bus
Does janet usually lurk
Does scumbob usually spam
Does crackhead magee like to make alot of joke posts

[moth]

I dont think I ever used gamblers fallacy at all. I said I dont think we have an all lurker scumteam or an all prolific poster scumteam. Which simplifies focus groups.

Pick 1 prolific poster and 1 lurker. Theres probably a scum in each

[moth]

Ive seen all lurker scumteams. They lose in lylo every time. Zero credibility, zero capability to generate counter measures.

[moth]

Ive seen all lurker scumteams. They lose in lylo every time. Zero credibility, zero capability to generate counter measures.

[moth]

Sorry for the x2 post. I REALLY MEAN IT.lol

[moth]

How is avatar colors and posting habits in game equivalent for finding scum?

[moth]

Thats-like saying vote habits dont matter either.

[moth]

Anyways I just thought that series of posts by RM was especially low information.

[moth]

Also the abbreviations people are using in this are hard to keep up with plus all the hydra names. Be simple.

Be a moth

[moth]

No but if you start actually contrubiting you might be

[moth]

Okay so are we entertaining the notion scumteam could be RM, Yume, Peregrine, KFC, TD then?

[moth]

Above post is @glitter since you felt the need to find a very homerun 4th and 20 example to refute my theory.

[moth]

@glitter do you have any examples of games where the top 5 posters were all scum and they led town off a cliff?

[moth]

Yes. I do know how to scumhunt. Thanks for the subtle attempt at discrediting me.

[moth]

I find it a bit frustrating to play because each case I posit, quote I supply is met with "nah that isnt their meta -- you just dont know them like we do".

Am I supposed to just assume nobody ever changes -- or rather nobody is capable of a meta that is indistinguishable from another?