Micro 683: Frozen Angel Mafia

[Varsoon]

Varsoona, I am glad you are town you. Help me lynch Tiershift.

Let's turbo lynch him. Great guy, but he is scum.

Why turbo lynch there
it's only a 9p game
like
c'mon
I can only fuck up twice, lol.

Well, you and Varsoon are both here, so I think I'll stay, provided shoe kidnapper doesn't kick me out based on what he said above.

MWAHAHA TIME TO LYNCH YA
But seriously, Yume, are you town this time?
Also, expect me to play the game in a way that is far different than how I communicate as a mod/out of game, okay?

[Varsoon]

Oh, and I'm not scum, so RC's no partner of mine.
Potential buddying/Post Restriction?
IT is a bastard game but yeah
I don't want to read anything earlier than this page.
Because this is now VARSOON (FA) mafia.

[Varsoon]

Because I wanted to end the day. I catch scum. Lynch scum.

Show me the line that you caught scum with, not the bait that you wanna hook me in with, Titus.
Play ball with me here.

@Drealmerz: I haven't read anything besides the first page, this page, and my role PM.
Looking forward to kickin' ass and taking names.
Or losing miserably.
We'll see.

[Varsoon]

That looks more like he just accidentally wrote FA instead of 'Titus', from what you quoted.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, though given the bastard nature of things, I wouldn't be surprised if my role PM was a lie.

I'm going to be proceeding as though I am town, though.

@Titus: So that's scum, then? Okay. You've convinced me. Now I want to see how you convince enough other people in this thread.

[Varsoon]

@Varsoon - If I convinced you, where's your vote?

You have my word, which is worth just as much.
Why did you immediately move into AtE'ing Yume and deflecting on your wagon rather than providing more substantial evidence against Tiershift?

[Varsoon]

VOTE: drealmerz7

But why.

[Varsoon]

I'm probably going to replace out and I just want to vote him before I do.

Unvote before you replace out.
That's common courtesy.
Also, don't fence-sit a replace out.
Either do it or don't.

[Varsoon]

UNVOTE:

Notably.

[Varsoon]

Good.
VOTE: Titus

I also don't like what Titus is doing.

[Varsoon]

Fairly certain that's L-1 again.

[Varsoon]

Hey maybe just get lynched rather than having the same response to RC that you did to Yume.

[Varsoon]

Hey maybe just get lynched rather than having the same response to RC that you did to Yume.

? Wtf? How do you go from I caught scum to get lynched? Are you Tier's partner?

I never said you caught scum.
I said that you should build your case towards other players.
You never did that.

[Varsoon]

Lay it out in a way that's clear and communicates how damning you seem to think it is.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Tiershift

I got a guilty on this slot.

[Varsoon]

'Not Town'.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Yume

Ay if it's true, it's true.

[Varsoon]

Garbage.
I finally fake a guilty on actual scum and still get trounced.
brb never playing mafia again.

Also: People should go fill Eagersnake and Dunnstral's minitheme games so mine can queue.

[Varsoon]

Dunnstral, advertise your mini theme more.

[Varsoon]

Almost only counts in horseshoes and majority in mykonian games.

[Varsoon]

Our wincon was

You win with this mafia when it controls half the town or nothing can stop this from happening.

>Nothing can stop this from happening
Like the nightkill, amirite?

[Varsoon]

Guess so.

[Varsoon]

yeah but the night kill could prevent you having vote control.

Game was just designed such that town wasn't given that luxury.

P-EDIT: Basically.
Still.
Feels rubbish.

[Varsoon]

Right.
The setup where we swing a loss off two mislynches is townsided.

[Varsoon]

Okay, in what universe does town messing up 3 times = loss?

[Varsoon]

Regardless, it just feels cheesy.

Other micros give town roles to mitigate issues.
Here, town's Vig just makes this swingier and takes power out of town collective hands.

[Varsoon]

Yeah; it just rolled lame this way. I'd feel just as bummed if I was scum and we got hosed by N2.

[Varsoon]

The surprise was

too

powerful. There was no way to reasonably anticipate it. The second lynch wasn't really towns to control, because who can convince 4 townies to not vote a guilty on day 2? Titus and I were dead and knew about the kill thing, and we didn't even suspect that scum had no kill.

Basically where I am on this.
The setup is swingy and scum hold all the cards.
The only time that the setup iterates solidly is on a D1 scum lynch, imo.

[Varsoon]

I'd also like to point out that the vast majority of the time scum doesn't fake a guilty nor make myself as unlikely to be vigged as I did. A lot of why scum did so well is that I correct sussed out the general setup.

I think that if this were run as an open then 1) town's winrate would be obnoxiously high and 2) the best scum strat is to pick one person to hard bus the other two.

The whole point is that it's closed and scum have all the info they need.
That's like
the whole point of why it doesn't work.

[Varsoon]

5P Cult Vengeful is the balanced, open version of this setup, notably.