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[TwoFace]

I wonder if TwoFace will be mad I'm there.

you must not have pissed me off that bad cause I don't remember you. brb to search for why you think I would be mad...

[TwoFace]

oh yeah ok guys, just make sure creature is not alive for lylo/mylo. Even if he somehow becomes confirmed town, he will not even attempt to solve the game

[TwoFace]

I wonder if TwoFace will be mad I'm there.

I think his memory is shorter than his fuse.

VOTE: Eddie Cane

Lol truth

[TwoFace]

Eddie I got excited when I thought your name was a reference to the 5 heartbeats but I immediately realized it wasn't.

Is that your real name?

[TwoFace]

Which interestingly enough has 5 heartbeats as part of the lyrics.

Mind blown

[TwoFace]

Moogin has posted elsewhere but not here.

[TwoFace]

Oh hello there. That was weird

[TwoFace]

Man this Twoface version is mellow af.

Nah just a slow starter. Sometimes it takes a while to get into games. I'd like to say I've changed for the better but who am I kidding.

[TwoFace]

Wouldn't oppose a Moogin wagon.

Hi I'm here, got the game has started PM late and I was working so I didn't have time to post yet

You got a game started pm? I didn't.

[TwoFace]

Not sure why the creature quote was there. Disregard

[TwoFace]

I don't see scum!Moog here just yet. What are you people seeing?

I'd be curious also.

[TwoFace]

Creature definitely doesn't look good for that vote. But Titus could have been on to something.

VOTE: creature

Good vote for now

[TwoFace]

But Titus could have been on to something.

Tip: Titus votes me wrongly most of the time.

not really a fan of this kind of discrediting of titus.

[TwoFace]

no, because I don't care about what has happened in past games.

[TwoFace]

Gin, do you atleast settle on a TwoFace, JarJarDrinks and MooginSoosy scumteam?

That's a horrible list. Mainly cause you're not on it

[TwoFace]

Well the creature wagon is shit, for starters

Nah. He's probably scum

[TwoFace]

Nothing he's posted looked town trying to figure the game out. His scum reads are garbage that I can't see how he got them.

[TwoFace]

As a comparison, why Creature over Eddie?

Eddie doesn't rub me the wrong way, creature does.

[TwoFace]

Idk kind of hard to put into words. I will say his vote on moggin looked really bad. Like he was trying to show he's not scum with moggin.

[TwoFace]

"Why should we kill this man?"
'Idk, just don't like him'
"but like, what has he done to make that happen?"
'Gee if I know, just kill the fucker'

You never had a gut read before?

[TwoFace]

All of them have. I haven't read a single one that gave me town vibes

[TwoFace]

I'm sorry if you got the impression I was telling you to vote creature. I certainly wasn't. I was just saying I disagreed with your read of him.

[TwoFace]

Since when do I need evidence to disagree with someone?

[TwoFace]

Also, you're voting Creature, that means you want him lynched. So why is it that you don't want me to vote him?

No, I voted him cause I felt he was suspicious and wanted to see how he'd react to some pressure. So far he's not acting very good but I don't really have any strong reads yet so I'm certainly not ready to lynch anyone

[TwoFace]

Since when do I need evidence to disagree with someone?

Problem?

I've explained why I don't agree with you. That's all I need. You want me to quote every single post and explain why I have an issue with it? Not going to happen. First I don't have that kind of time, second I certainly don't have the desire to. If you don't want to accept "gut" as a reason, that's fine.

[TwoFace]

Edit: Okay, after you voted, what was his reactions that pinged you as scum. Show me please

I already called it out after it happened. I suggest you take the time to read so I don't have to do extra work

[TwoFace]

You can't even tell me "one" post that pings you?

Why you gotta lie?

Idk kind of hard to put into words. I will say his vote on moggin looked really bad. Like he was trying to show he's not scum with moggin.

[TwoFace]

That's 1 post and why.

Also if yo read the thread you would see that his attempt too discredit Titus based on meta was called out by me.

Neither of those seem townie to me. They seem like scum.

I don't see why a townie who is being accused of being scum with somebody else would immediately vote that person when they made a post that sounds genuine. And then when somebody says the accuser has a good point, he immediately tries to discredit him because he's been wrong in other games instead of why he's wrong this game.

[TwoFace]

I'm on my mobile most of the time so in depth explanations and posts don't happen until I'm at work.

[TwoFace]

There's definitely more than one reason to vote somebody. Any non new mafia player knows that.

[TwoFace]

See that actually made me laugh.

[TwoFace]

Meh I disagree. You're 180 raised more red flags than his vote

[TwoFace]

So TwoFace, what do you think of Eddie and his vote?

It's weird certainly but I have trouble thinking scum would do something that obvious to bring negative attention to themselves.

[TwoFace]

So essentially, your red flags come from me having red flags about Eddie.

I love this game

No, I was referring to your 180 on creature. You were essentially arguing with me and even lied about me and then turn around and vote with me.

[TwoFace]

Did you not play in the game with RainbowDash?

The game where dashie played like an idiot? Yes I was her partner. What does that have the do with this game?

[TwoFace]

I've seen scum claim vengeful townie, I've seen scum push claimed D1 cops, I've seen scum not claim VT when it's completely safe to claim, no harm done, I've seen a myriad of loaded, why in god's green earth would scum do that, it's so stupid it can't be scum, be bloody scum.

I no longer write it off anymore as I keep getting burned by it.

Fine. I still find creature scummier.

[TwoFace]

Aww cmon mort.

[TwoFace]

You're welcome

[TwoFace]

Circumstances beyond my control. Sorry everyone, was looking forward to this one too

Shameless plug. I've got a game in signups now

[TwoFace]

Feeling like TwoFace is, despite being bad, town.

Please save the insults ok. I'm not bad. My vote on you is a good one cause you're okay suggests you aren't town. Instead of blaming others, how about you look at yourself.

[TwoFace]

You're play*. Dumb phone

[TwoFace]

Gin wants me to look at others and you want me to look at myself...

If you're town I want you to look at your own actions and see why people might be scum reading you and those people not be deserving of insults. Hint, I've pointed out 2 scummy things you've done.

Instead of insulting me to discredit me, attack my reasoning. Considering the mod just issued a blanket warning about ad hominem attacks, that may be your only option

[TwoFace]

You think I'm hyperdefensive, Gin sheeped you.

Where did I accuse you of that?

[TwoFace]

not really a fan of this kind of discrediting of titus.

What was the point of quoting this?

[TwoFace]

No it wasn't

[TwoFace]

Okay, though some players are saying I'm hyperdefensive because of that post and so I assumed you thought the same.

My issue with that you quoted is that again, instead of giving game related reasons form why someone is wrong, you use non game related stuff. You're just discrediting people to discredit them and not actually attacking their words/reasons.

It's what desperate people do.

[TwoFace]

Oh nice, I wonder why Realeo disappeared.

Scummy post.

[TwoFace]

Eddie why the vote on gin? Twoface why is that a scummy post?

Cause he is implying the replacement has vanished when the replacement hasn't even posted. He had no clue what's going on behind the scenes. Having modded a game it could have been bourse between the time the replacement agreed the mod actually read the PM and posted. It goes back to his earlier m.o of attacking low posters. Its easy to do as scum and should never be done as town.

[TwoFace]

If you're used to see scum getting away with being low-hanging, it's something you'll usually do.

That didn't happen in the game we played together. In my experience it's actually minority of scum who are low
Posters

But you're attacking a person who hasn't even posted. One who just replaced in. Forget alignment indicative, it's just plain rude.

[TwoFace]

I do not understand the function of TwoFace's wall. I mean, if he's town being transparent, I failed to follow his logic. However, I suspect that I failed to follow his logic leans to "bad text structuring that causes me to fail to his logic" instead of "scum flail"

@2Face: It's kinda not obvious the reasoning of the Eddie vote. To be more specific, I do not understand the function of Eddie's last two quote. Care to elaborate? It seems like a omgus to me.

Are you Confusing me with somebody else? I haven't made a wall post. I also don't understand your question

[TwoFace]

Eddie is an alt

[TwoFace]

Somebody in this game who was town - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 54&start=0

[TwoFace]

Yeah I see no Jordan buddying so please explain

[TwoFace]

If he's calling you smart he's clearly buddying you...

[TwoFace]

Damn I missed something exciting

[TwoFace]

I have JarJarDrinks and MooginSoosy as scum.

Reasons

[TwoFace]

If he's calling you smart he's clearly buddying you...

Is this a joke?

Yes. The wink should have given that away

[TwoFace]

Jordan is xnadrojx cause remove the 2 x's and reverse the spelling, that's his name. It's also easier to type Jordan

[TwoFace]

I have JarJarDrinks and MooginSoosy as scum.

Reasons

Whenever you want to answer me that'd be great

[TwoFace]

I don't object to a boom wagon except for those last 2 votes worry me.

[TwoFace]

Tomorrow sometime I should be able to sit down and reread the game

[TwoFace]

Boom. Explain how his bad play is scum bad over town bad. I just don't see scum intent in his actions. Show me what I'm missing

[TwoFace]

I never see town intent when players play like shit, but it happens all the time on this site. Almost every game I've ever played in has a player like that.

What makes him a scum lynch vs a policy lynch?

[TwoFace]

I'm not getting lynched toDay.

I really hate when people do this.

[TwoFace]

Ugh, Jupiter should post more, but his posts all feel town.

really? he has about 11 posts and none of them really scream town to me. can you point to a couple of his posts and explain why they feel town to you?

[TwoFace]

Yeah I'm with gin here. Nothing in those quotes look town. The last one especially.

I just read some stuff and I'll say he doesn't look townie but I won't bother to cite any examples or anything to support my opinion

[TwoFace]

it looks very noobtown. i don't understand how that doesn't even come up for people.

Except I don't believe he's actually that n00b. I feel he's playing it up

[TwoFace]

Well than you don't know me for shit

[TwoFace]

I suspect he is.

[TwoFace]

Jupiter isn't the alt, Eddie is.

or are they both?

Pretty sure both are. Or at least Jupiter isn't a noob to mafia which means his noob schtick was fake

[TwoFace]

Nice double post.
What does "string town" mean?

Jupiter is now scum. Creature potential buddy, since he has a bullshit unexplained TR on Jupiter.
Eddie is a townread now, I concur with his reasoning and the bandwagon was explained off reasonably imo.
Creature can go into the scum pile, all the recent shit he has posted leads me to that conclusion.
TwoFace vote from massive was bad, TwoFace starts insulting people when he wants to.

Yes creature is scum.

I don't think I've insulted anyone yet. Been trying not to since the mod issued the warning

[TwoFace]

Believable or not we aren't lynching Jupiter today

[TwoFace]

Believable or not we aren't lynching Jupiter today

Even though you think Jupiter's faking being new? Who are we lynching today then?

Creature

[TwoFace]

TwoFace vote from massive was bad, TwoFace starts insulting people when he wants to.

Has nothing to do with insulting and everything to do with his aggression level. My experience with town-Twoface is that he hurls himself into his reads, good or bad, D1. This game? No hurling.

I think I'm more likely to go along with lynching Boonsk than Creature. And definitely not Eddie.

so because I am not hurling myself I am scum?

[TwoFace]

TwoFace vote from massive was bad, TwoFace starts insulting people when he wants to.

Has nothing to do with insulting and everything to do with his aggression level. My experience with town-Twoface is that he hurls himself into his reads, good or bad, D1. This game? No hurling.

I think I'm more likely to go along with lynching Boonsk than Creature. And definitely not Eddie.

so because I am not hurling myself I am scum?

well I look forward to proving you wrong, if you are not scum yourself.

[TwoFace]

I just don't see what the risk is. If thy are scum they will be found out eventually. Just had a game finished where almost the exact same thing happened. Scum claimed jk. We was eventually lynched, town won.

Find his "partners" and lynch one of them.

If he's telling the truth that's awesome as well

[TwoFace]

btw jupiter is a confirmed alt

[TwoFace]

STOP THROWING OUT NAMES CREATURE

Seriously you're not being helpful just pissing away names, pick someone, build a case, either town/scum and present it to us.

he can't, because he is scum.

[TwoFace]

VOTE: Boonskiies

Are you in the right game? Who are you?

Jupiter

[TwoFace]

Oh, it's your main.

That can't be his main, cause it definitely is jupiter's main.

He posted in my other game which the mod has now deleted for some reason.

[TwoFace]

Creature is not doing any game solving and hasn't since the beginning. Now granted I don't remember much about creature from the last time we played, I definitely don't remember him playomg like this or else he would have been on my radar.

I haven't seen a single thing that looks protown from him. I don't understand why he hasn't been lynched yet or at least close to a lynch.

[TwoFace]

You have had a jarjar scum read since post 69 yet you don't really push it and you aren't trying to convince people to vote it.

Why is that exactly?

The best way to make me change my mind is to actually make a case that makes sense and contains good reasoning, something you hve been unable to do.

Your scum reads are basically all easy targets for not great reasons

[TwoFace]

VOTE: JarJarDrinks

JarJarDrinks and TwoFace are more likely scum and the other must be lurking around (or Titus).

This was the last time you voted jarjar. You've seem to have done a 180 on me though.

[TwoFace]

The best way to make me change my mind is to actually make a case that makes sense and contains good reasoning, something you hve been unable to do.

Also something scum tries to do so town can't have the correct explanation for their scummy behavior.

what?

[TwoFace]

VOTE: Creature

think this is L-1

[TwoFace]

we solve the game.

you haven't tried to do that yet, you still aren't.

[TwoFace]

we solve the game.

you haven't tried to do that yet, you still aren't.

Okay, so you're a parrot that will keep saying that the entire game.

Won't stress out, because I made more gamesolving in just my latest posts than you the entire game.

As far as I can tell I've provided way more reasons why you are scum than you have for every single one of your multiple scum reads. So yah can kindly shove it.

[TwoFace]

Spoiler:

I don't see Eddie Cane play being from scum.

I thought we reached the part we talk ourselves out of this mess and we solve the game.

JupiterCrush claimed Town Roleblocker.

na, i'm a town roleblocker.

Also, ironstove is Jupiter's main account.

WHY IS CREATURE TOWN

Someone that is not creature tell me, in detail why you read him as town?

I'm tired of this "he's probs town" and people expect me to buy into it

Can this be answered?

This post makes me really want to vote you. It's fluffy. You're asking questions and proposing scum teams without digging for analysis yourself. You're asking town to do the work and try to play supervisor. I don't like it at all.

If I am correct about JarJar/LUV, it's scientifically proven that good scumreads come from beyond explanations.

JarJarDrinks still didn't unvote me and LUV didn't either.

No game solving in any of these posts btw

[TwoFace]

you've been tunnelling creature longer than I boonskies and haven't given a good case. someone convince me creature is scum. =p

I'm still waiting for someone to convince me creature isn't scum or that somebody else is

[TwoFace]

Saying somebody is town or scum without good reasons don't count. I can do that.

Everyone is null
Creature/boon/Jupiter are probably scum

See? It's pointless without reasons

[TwoFace]

Everyone is null
Creature/boon/Jupiter are probably scum

It's still useful to know that you also scumread boonskiies and JupiterCrush.

Not really.

[TwoFace]

Saying somebody is town or scum without good reasons don't count. I can do that.

Everyone is null
Creature/boon/Jupiter are probably scum

See? It's pointless without reasons

Creature and I are the boon counterwagons. but pretend one of us 3 is scum and it could be any one: Creature continues to push outside of that. he isn't particularly convincing but that's more meta. I agree with his Jupiter and luv (jarjar) srs to a degree which helps.

Why are you lying? Creature was the first wagon, you were next, then it was boon. Vote counts don't lie

[TwoFace]

Man y'all talk a lot. Will try to catch up today sometime

[TwoFace]

No jupiter is iron. Unless both are iron which would be some drama

[TwoFace]

Eddie, I'll make you a deal, I spend all of D2 pushing the fuck out of Boon. I'm talking he will have to fight tooth and nail to prove he's town; if you help me run up Jordan today >_>

I won't fight tooth and nail.we can lynch me tomorrow. Down with that plan.

This concerns me too. Why would any town member fall on a sword like that? Tomorrow he would fight the lynch without a doubt.

Why would a scum member?

[TwoFace]

I don't even know how a Jordan wagon formed but why are your opposed to it?

[TwoFace]

I don't even know how a Jordan wagon formed but why are your opposed to it?

There was a Jordan post I liked, let me fetch it.

If my method doesn't agree with you, you can take it up with me instead of hiding behind a naked vote and calling people to me who can actually think up their own reasons why I could be scum.

Calling out massive, Titus, Boonskiies

This

Mental note that if you are town to never play with you again

[TwoFace]

@twoface how do you say that both I and boon are on the same team? you think we are bussing each other?

you ask that question like it isn't possible.

but tbh I am not necessarily looking at connections or what makes sense as partners, you 3 are just the people who when I look at your posts I don't see being town.

[TwoFace]

between my 3 strongest scum reads, which I DON'T plan to share with any of you. GOOD-BYE.

see, no chance town makes this kind of post

p.edit - nope,i'm solid town

[TwoFace]

you're lucky I don't lynch claimed PRs day one, cause if I didn't have that policy you definitely would be lynched already. nobody believes your claim and anyone who does, should hit me up cause I am selling some ocean front property in arizona

[TwoFace]

so i'm meta reading him

you should stop this regardless of your alignment.

[TwoFace]

because he slipped by showing he's not really reading the game and looking for any type of associations, just throwing together bad reads and providing a fake explanation behind them.

pretty sure I have already admitted previously I have not fully read the game. I am behind in this game, mainly cause ya'll post too much

Associations without flips is straight up bad play so the fact that you are trying to imply that is scummy makes me feel better about you being scum

I have not provided a single "fake" anything. I play very honest and straight forward.

[TwoFace]

Twoface be a bro and hammer

sorry not going to get a hammer from me.

[TwoFace]

cause I am not caught up on the game
I haven't even seen a case for jordan yet
I have scum reads I am more interested in lynching
I don't hammer without seeing a claim and I don't hammer people I am not scum reading.

now if somebody wants to point me to the posts or series of posts that explain why jordan is scum, I can focus on that but there is absoutely no way anyone can tell me jordan is a better lynch than creature or boon.

[TwoFace]

What page are you at?

I don't even remember. I don't do my heavy reading until I get to a computer which means monday/tuesday

I have been skimming, I certainly don't remember seeing a single good reason from anyone who voted jordan, definitely don't remember anyone making a case for him.

if I missed that, somebody please link me and i'll check it out.

[TwoFace]

Jupiter, since I was basically one of the first to call you out for playing different a bazillion pages ago, how do you explain your difference in play and still be "town"

If I'm scum for playing different, how can you justify your own play style change?

[TwoFace]

Jupiter, since I was basically one of the first to call you out for playing different a bazillion pages ago, how do you explain your difference in play and still be "town"

If I'm scum for playing different, how can you justify your own play style change?

so i'm meta reading him

you should stop this regardless of your alignment.

I don't understand the eye roll.

Answer my question please

[TwoFace]

Also Jordan is a player that gets his hands dirty and pushes the fuck out of his scum reads, him being passive is another point against him.

Well than you better scum read me cause my meta suggests I do the same thing and I'm not.

[TwoFace]

@twoface, you say that i shouldn't meta read, yet you're trying to meta read me....

If that's how you interpreted my question I suggest you go back to school and learn to read.

[TwoFace]

Let me rephrase since apparently you are having trouble.

How can you as a player find something scummy if you are guilty of doing the same thing?

[TwoFace]

him giving up is bonus.

Please explain to me why scum would do this ever, especially day 1 when there is no motivation for them to do that.

[TwoFace]

Let me rephrase since apparently you are having trouble.

How can you as a player find something scummy if you are guilty of doing the same thing?

I find tunnelling scummy and I tunnel. is that what you mean? if so I can answer.

Well thanks for admitting you're a bad player.

No I don't want you to answer for him

[TwoFace]

Let me rephrase since apparently you are having trouble.

How can you as a player find something scummy if you are guilty of doing the same thing?

I find tunnelling scummy and I tunnel. is that what you mean? if so I can answer.

Well thanks for admitting you're a bad player.

No I don't want you to answer for him

ironic.

kk.

Why is it ironic?

[TwoFace]

If you find something scummy that you do yourself you are a hypocrite. That's not an insult, that's just facts.

If you are a hypocrite in the game of mafia, that makes you a bad player in my opinion

[TwoFace]

If you find something scummy that you do yourself you are a hypocrite. That's not an insult, that's just facts.

If you are a hypocrite in the game of mafia, that makes you a bad player in my opinion

that's not really true though. I also self voted this game and find it scummy. it's about the scenario. tunnelling isn't scummy always, it can be, etc.

you aren't doing yourself any favors here. Now I know you're a terrible player.

[TwoFace]

Jupiter is the alt of ironstove, so what gives in the attempt "town clear" because people didn't confirm yet?

He was clearly shooting for some cheap town cred. He had no intention of letting people know he was an alt. It's why he had his original slip in the other game deleted. Once he alt slipped here he knew he was fucked. It's why he didn't post from Jupiter after it happened. Instead he waited to post again

[TwoFace]

I fee like some good points are being made. I'd like to see Jordan try to defend himself

[TwoFace]

@TwoFace: there is ONE post all the cases, shit or no shit, are based off,. 715

But the points about 715 are good. You can't get mad that people aren't voting somebody and then change your vote also. That's not townie at all.

[TwoFace]

How can you as a player find something scummy if you are guilty of doing the same thing?

Some players frequently do something as town, some players not.

Nobody asked you

[TwoFace]

Do you think creature is protecting Eddie here? Are you mad that he answered before Eddie could?

I'm not even asking Eddie. My question was directed at Jupiter. Eddie and creature have shown if they are town, their opinions can basically be ignored. Creature is scum though. No idea about Eddie.

Regardless of their alignment I'm certainly not going to listen to anything they have to say about anything mafia play related.

[TwoFace]

Don't feel bad, I'm pretty sure creature told me he feels bad that I've been playing for 3 1/2 years and have no clue what I'm doing.

Any insult from creature can pretty much be disregarded

[TwoFace]

That was unnecessary lol

[TwoFace]

He's not as high on my list as others and I really want to sit down and look at his posts better but I don't oppose the pressure he's getting. Especially since one of my top scum reads is against it.

[TwoFace]

Side note. I noticed moogin hasn't posted on site since Wednesday but logged in this morning. I personally hate people who do that. Not sure what to make of it, just don't like it.


P.edit - the votes are definitely spread around. I'm wondering what some of those people think about Jordan.

[TwoFace]

Side note. I noticed moogin hasn't posted on site since Wednesday but logged in this morning. I personally hate people who do that. Not sure what to make of it, just don't like it.


P.edit - the votes are definitely spread around. I'm wondering what some of those people think about Jordan.

You can hide your online status if you wish so I don't think it is alignment indicative, but I dislike it too. at least check in and prodge :/

No definitively not alignment indicative but it's a shitty thing to do. If he's scum, fine I get it. If he's town I'll never understand. I get nit wanting to post every time you log in but this to me seems different

[TwoFace]

Focused on him the entire game no.

Had him pinned as scum the entire game yes.

JarJarDrinks doesn't play like this as town and LUV doesn't play like this as town either.

But playing different doesn't mean they are automatically scum. You can't use that as a reason to scum read somebody

[TwoFace]

Nobody is going to lynch somebody "because they are playing different" thought. This is why I basically ignore anything you say and will do the opposite of what you do. If you're town you literally have no idea how to play this game.

[TwoFace]

[TwoFace]

If by case you mean quoting each post in their ISO and pointing a flaw, then it's not needed. I just need to point the solid, what really is AI.

Ok so you know what you have to do yet you still haven't done it.

Wonder why that is...

[TwoFace]

TwoFace will probably end this game blacklisting half the playerlist knowing him.

This was unnecessary

[TwoFace]

How does a town player go from town reading players to crossing them off of their read list as conf!town to suddenly agreeing to lynching the same players?

[TwoFace]

who is jordan?

Are you really asking this now? You were the one trying to say he was cleared cause he didn't confirm and now you're asking who he is?

[TwoFace]

@2F the issue I have here is that 3 people in my wagon are naked voters and have no explanation besides "I scumread Jordan suddenly" or on the case of Titus "I've been calling scum whole game lemme put my vote here when the wagon forms". There's no reason and I'm confused why town let's 3 naked voters sit on a opportunistic wagon like that

And? What you did was pretty scummy and obviously so. People don't need to explain when a player has just done something scummy

[TwoFace]

People don't need to explain when a player has just done something scummy

Oh really?

VOTE: LUV

I don't need to explain when LUV has just been scummy.

He hasn't been

[TwoFace]

@2F the issue I have here is that 3 people in my wagon are naked voters and have no explanation besides "I scumread Jordan suddenly" or on the case of Titus "I've been calling scum whole game lemme put my vote here when the wagon forms". There's no reason and I'm confused why town let's 3 naked voters sit on a opportunistic wagon like that

And for the record, only one vote on you is a truly naked/unexplained vote. Every other vote the reasons are right around the time of the vote so it's very clear why they are voting you. It's the same reason why I would vote you if I didn't have bigger scum reads.

The one naked vote just happens to be from the person who some think you were protecting and who I'm scum reading more than you.

[TwoFace]

TheRealGin-n-Tonic, FormerFish, Boonskies, Titus
Boonskiies (3/7) - Eddie Cane, XnadrojX, JupiterCrush
TheRealGin-N-Tonic (2/7) - Realeo
Luv - creature
Creature (1/7) - TwoFace
Eddie Cane (1/7) - Lil Uzi Vert
JupiterCrush (1/7) - MooninSoogy

This should be right.

[TwoFace]

Damn the copy and paste didn't work. The first line should be

XnarojX (5/7) - massive, TheRealGin-n-Tonic, FormerFish, Boonskies, Titus

[TwoFace]

That boon wagon is terrible. Time to re-evaluate my read on him.

[TwoFace]

Jupiter is caught scum already. How the hell are you town reading him?

[TwoFace]

He isn't survivalistic.

Claiming with 2 votes on him wasn't survivalistic? Bullshit.

[TwoFace]

1276 also looks more likely coming from town than scum

Him using someone not confirming their PMs as a reason to townclear them is crazy for scum.

He was doing that pretending he was new.

We know now he isn't new and definitely knows better

That's literally why he is confirmed scum.

These recent posts is just more proof you aren't town. If you were town you would see Jupiter was caught scum ages ago

[TwoFace]

He isn't survivalistic.

Claiming with 2 votes on him wasn't survivalistic? Bullshit.

It's more to "what is his scum motivation?"

What's the scum motivation for claiming with 2 votes?

Are you kidding me?

[TwoFace]

I mean, let us leave epicmafia.com and townofsalem.com mentality behind.

If we do that,your 1 isn't an option. And no cop is going to investigate him, at least they shouldn't.

[TwoFace]

@boon - after you catch-up, what is your current read on Jupiter.

[TwoFace]

I didn't think it was a joke. it is a joke. if you think otherwise that's actually pretty funny but you should practice detecting Internet sarcasm. it wasn't even worded to be serious. ff's attitude now is likely scum though, so my RVS vote is staying. and yes, it was random. I found Jupiter's comment funny and went w it. it worked because there's discussion past RVS now, yw. ff is a good wagon.

Hey Eddie, why were you arguing Jupiter's post was a joke when it absolutely wasn't. Nobody but you thought it was a joke and even Jupiter didn't say it was a joke.

I think I'm beginning to understand this boon push though.

[TwoFace]

I still think it was a joke

Even though you were scum reading him, you still feel he was joking instead of trying to deceive town? Weird.

[TwoFace]

He wasn't trying to pretend he was new, a player trying to pretend to be new faking n00b tells is absolutely something that a player would do. I've seen scum admit to it post game even.

He literally had posts deleted in another game to try and hide that he was an alt.

[TwoFace]

Sorry, he WAS trying to pretend he was new

[TwoFace]

Still waiting confirmation from GreenNope and Jordan.

can we presume green and jordan are town cleared because mods most likely wouldn't start the game without confirmation from scum first?

Not at all.

you're scum because you're arguing against having town clears

VOTE: formerfish

These posts don't come from somebody who's joking about the town clear thing. This is somebody who is pretending he's being honest and trying to use it to vote somebody

[TwoFace]

Ok I'll iso more people tomorrow

[TwoFace]

What's your issue with Jordan being under pressure?

[TwoFace]

my case his weak, I'm bad at making cases. but, he is scum, and most players here should be able to tell that from reading his posts which nobody seems to acknowledge.

I actually read boon's posts today. I don't really see scum in them. Tbh I found you scummier than him reading your interactions wel that plus your interactions with Jupiter.

I found a few posts about Jordan that were also odd but wanted to read them on a computer to make sure I wasn't misreading things.

[TwoFace]

Dude...get an avi.

Why do people care so much. It doesn't matter if he has one or not.

[TwoFace]

for the record a lot of my tunnel was heavily exaggerated and I just wanted something like that instead of defeatist ate. =p

[TwoFace]

possibly Jupiter (but I feel he's just a troll and his play makes no sense from scum)

if you weren't an experienced player, maybe I could see you thinking this and actually believing it, but there is no way you actually believe this statement.

It's probably not going to happen today, but day 2 you need to be lynched.

[TwoFace]

I think the scum team is actually jupiter/eddie/jordan

[TwoFace]

At the time I knew he wasn't a newbie but couldn't say anything cause the game was ongoing at the time but I definitely didn't buy his original posts. Once he slipped in the other game after it was over, I made a post here confirming he was an alt.

the fact that he had the mod delete those posts imo was evidence that he was trying to hide the fact that he was an alt.

I see no reason why a townie would do all of that. Add in the role claim with just 2 votes on him, again I don't see an experienced player doing something like that as town.

I am 99% sure he is scum.

[TwoFace]

He did? Create chaos by being a newbie, aye. Push people?

yes he basically did.

[TwoFace]

yes 43/44

[TwoFace]

Jordan is at L-1.

Jordan v Boon, I prefer Boon to live?

Intent 4 hammah

why didn't you bring up the whole gin thing in this post real?

why wait until now? why give intent to hammer if you were right about gin fishing for claims?

[TwoFace]

I have already explained it.

He didn't plan on outing his main account, that was an accident and he tried to cover it up by having those posts deleted. Problem was he posted in here and there is NO WAY the mod would cover up that slip in here.

Pretending to be a n00b so people can say you "town slipped" and people basically let you slide the entire game is something players have done on this site. I remember reading a game where scum even admitted to doing that so they could earn some cheap town cred.

Townie has no motivation to do that, scum absolutely does.

pretending to be a n00b for town cred isn't bad play from scum side.

[TwoFace]

well yeah it's only something you can get away with once.

[TwoFace]

here is my unofficial vote count

XnarojX (4/7) - massive, FormerFish, Titus, PenguinPower
Jupiter - Boon, Gin (2/7)
Boonskiies (2/7) - XnadrojX, JupiterCrush
TheRealGin-N-Tonic (2/7) - Realeo, Creature
Creature (1/7) - TwoFace
Eddie Cane (1/7) - Lil Uzi Vert

[TwoFace]

From the unofficial vote count it looks like Gins vote would have put Boon at l-4. It's close though.

go back to the page where gin voted, he put boon to L-2

[TwoFace]

Someone please explicitly state a different opinion.

You/Eddie/Jordan

[TwoFace]

VOTE: jordan

[TwoFace]

You do realized the first thing I did when I got into this thread was reveal myself to Creature.

And?

[TwoFace]

I was town roleblcoker. I said that before I knew anyone was voting for me. Probably the most genuine post ever.

Your slot already claimed that role and scum have daychat.

So not the most genuine post ever

[TwoFace]

And if we are being technical. You claimed after you learned people wanted to lynch you.

Had you claimed in your very first post instead of refusing, maybe I'd be more inclined but it's easy to quick iso or check scum chat

[TwoFace]

Did nobody die last night?

[TwoFace]

I normally don't dabble in NKA but Momo was the only claimed power role and Titus died over momo.

Where is the Titus writeup?

[TwoFace]

VOTE: luv
still scumreading you too daddy <3

Like this vote

VOTE: luv

[TwoFace]

I normally don't dabble in NKA but Momo was the only claimed power role and Titus died over momo.

Where is the Titus writeup?

last post of 59

You mean 60. I see it now.

[TwoFace]

a very large amount of games have a tp. plus, Roleblocker isn't exactly a role that needs to urgently die. Titus was playing pretty weirdly and poorly; could've been fishing for a pr.

So now we're setup spec'ing and NKA'ing...great.

Totally a recipe for a town win.

Scum points for down playing NKA


Every time I've been killed over a power role, it's cause I was right.

Going to see who Titus was suspicious of.

[TwoFace]

I normally don't dabble in NKA but Momo was the only claimed power role and Titus died over momo.

Where is the Titus writeup?

End of Night 1

Titus died night 1, she was...

Spoiler:

Vanilla town

!

Reading is fun.

Yes it is but the mod pm'd me with a link to the top of page 61. Didn't think he would do the NK in a different post like that. It's not what most mods do.

[TwoFace]

Meh Titus was a wash.

Today we lynch uzi and go from there.

P.edit - no it isn't scrub. NKA is more often to be downplayed by scum. If you're against NKA you aren't a townie.

[TwoFace]

I still don't think Boon is scum.

Who's scum?

[TwoFace]

Where was this day 1? You and your predecessor played unusually different and now you're more active.

I don't want to work with you. I'd rather lynch you

[TwoFace]

Meh Titus was a wash.

Today we lynch uzi and go from there.

P.edit - no it isn't scrub. NKA is more often to be downplayed by scum. If you're against NKA you aren't a townie.

Not going to debate theory here with you, but NKA is useless because scum can decide to be smart or setup WIFOM and we don't know what the hell they are thinking. So...moving on.

Also...not totally opposed to Uzi. I need to read his ISO, but his posts since I replaced have been towny to me.

Interesting. Noted

[TwoFace]

I still don't think Boon is scum.

Who's scum?

Eddie.

Who else?

[TwoFace]

Very inactive. Flying under the radar. Not really interacting.


You know. Acting like scum

[TwoFace]

Where was this day 1? You and your predecessor played unusually different and now you're more active.

I don't want to work with you. I'd rather lynch you

Where was this day 1? You and your predecessor played unusually different and now you're more active.

I don't want to work with you. I'd rather lynch you

Um...because I cbf'd to read 52 pages and I'm a reactive player. You like analysis - read how many times I've said that exact phrase in my other games. I also replaced in with like 2 days left. Sooooooo...yeah. Weakman is weakman.

Damm I wasn't even talking to you...

Such a weird reaction.

Vote luv please.

[TwoFace]

People don't need to explain when a player has just done something scummy

Oh really?

VOTE: LUV

I don't need to explain when LUV has just been scummy.

He hasn't been

I'm struggling to understand how you went from the above to where we are at now TF.

Reread stuff at night.

[TwoFace]

Damm I wasn't even talking to you...

Such a weird reaction.

Vote luv please.

Then maybe quote stuff you are referring to, because that post was naked and right after mine.

Or just try reading in context. Luv asked why we weren't working together. My response explained why we were not working together.

This game takes some critical thinking sometimes.

[TwoFace]

That's just how I feel. Didn't throw anything in.

[TwoFace]

After we lynch luv, I'd really love to lynch penguin. His snark isn't appreciated

[TwoFace]

@creature. If you're town I want to apologize for being tunneled and ignoring your read on luv. Let's work together to make sure he gets lynched today.

[TwoFace]

Well I'm not going to try to convince you, just going to focus on trying to lynch my scum reads and hope you snap out of whatever this is.

Good, cause it won't work. I don't expect I'll be snapping out of it but stranger things have happened.

[TwoFace]

After we lynch luv, I'd really love to lynch penguin. His snark isn't appreciated

Yes. Personal emotions are a great reason to lynch someone!


#keepitupbud

Nah I actually think you're scum with luv

[TwoFace]

Nah I'm town. I'd be ok with a momo lynch also. I was suspicious of gin late yesterday. Need to reread him and fish. Penguin could very well be scum especially since uzi is scum.

[TwoFace]

Nah I actually think you're scum with luv

You're awesome at associative setups with no flip.

I'm actually cool with a LUV flip on re-read. Could also do momo.

VOTE: LUV

This is my preferred based on recent experiences.

That's an interesting 180 especially after you said his recent stuff was townie

[TwoFace]

Uh PP? What?

You reread the thread that fast?

No. I read your ISO.

I looked at the posts uzi made after you replaced. I don't see any glaring townie posts. You town read him based on "meta" (which if you're town is an incorrect read) and he directed you to put Jordan at l-1.

Can you show me these townie posts?

And the ones that now make you think scum?

[TwoFace]

That's an interesting 180 especially after you said his recent stuff was townie

Does it make you not want to lynch it anymore?

Nope

[TwoFace]

But that's an interesting question people should consider if uzi flips scum.

[TwoFace]

It has 2 or 1.

don't know why anyone would be against VCA. It's very solid evidence, especially late game. I've called out all 3 members of scum team before through VCA. Obviously scum can manipulate it, but you usually can see, at least in hindsight, where scum is.

My issue with VCA is you need at least one scum lynch to even be useful and even than it's a crap shoot

[TwoFace]

I didn't direct him to do anything. PP asked me who would I prefer and I just said if I had to choose, I would pick Jordan. I didn't tell him to vote for him.

Right. He said he town read you and asked your opinion and he followed it.

[TwoFace]

@TF: If you're using meta to read me, I played relatively like you're describing in 1860.

It has 2 or 1.

don't know why anyone would be against VCA. It's very solid evidence, especially late game. I've called out all 3 members of scum team before through VCA. Obviously scum can manipulate it, but you usually can see, at least in hindsight, where scum is.

My issue with VCA is you need at least one scum lynch to even be useful and even than it's a crap shoot

I disagree. Why would you need one scum lynch? Scum can, will, and should vote their partners, so a scum flipped wagon will still most likely have scum on it. If not, you can figure out and decide if it's an all town wagon.

Ok well agree to disagree

[TwoFace]

I didn't direct him to do anything. PP asked me who would I prefer and I just said if I had to choose, I would pick Jordan. I didn't tell him to vote for him.

Right. He said he town read you and asked your opinion and he followed it.

That's not my fault? If you read the exchange I nowhere told him to actually vote for Jordan. He choose to do that on his own.

I'm not blaming you for it really. I'm more trying to figure out where his weird 180 came from.

[TwoFace]

Also, I won't vote anyone based on a case of meta. I'm extremely self-aware and can manipulate it pretty easily, so I know others can and will.

Me neither. Meta sucks

[TwoFace]

Ok boon. I still think momo/Jupiter is probably scum but where do we go if he's not?