Mini 1877: Spyro the Dragon (Game Over)

[lane0168]

VOTE: ragingspamers

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So many active players. I'm not used to this! I guess I'll just do my part by keeping up and jumping in when I think something was missed. Gin is the person I find myself agreeing with most here though. I'll start with that

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My biggest weakness as town is I'm buddied really fucking easy. On mobile but go to my view topics and Micro Vanillish. I was IC and Pine led me to a loss so hard.

So with that being established, I'd like it if you actually tell me what you agree with or why you are okay with just going with whatever I said. I'm not accusing you of buddying I just get paranoid about these things.

Well, I don't agree with the town lean on else. I posted that before I saw it. I don't want to go along with whatever you say. And that's certainly not my plan. Part of what I meant stemmed from Alisae being super off and basically being... Difficult when to me you're pretty clearly trying to figure shit out. And that was my reason for the vote there. I didn't think it was too difficult for her to come up with examples of rc doing what she said he does all the time, but she still refused to and acted like your posts and questions are out of line when they certainly were not. She took everything you said and put her own little unnecessary spin in it, and I hated that. Like your wanting specifics, and she jumps to wanting to teach you what scumhunting is... Like wtf is up with that?

Back to the question, is a general reaction of when I'm reading through, I'm reading other players like "wtf?" and I'm reading you like "yeah def" if that makes sense.

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And don't worry about rc guys, if he's scum, I'll catch him

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And ending RVS too early is bad and an excellent way to stall a game as scum

Did it look like he was trying to stall the game? What was your point?

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I'm surprised none have misidentified me as scum yet. Similarly, I am surprised no scum have faked a scum read on me yet.

I have many other thoughts and opinions, but nothing worth sharing yet.

-Snake

You get

mislynched

a lot D1 or something?

#Elsa

No. But usually at least get an RVS vote or someone claiming I'm scum. Neither happened. Surprising. Felt left out.

How do you know it'd be a mislynch?

That's not what she said...

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Ok NOW I feel better about Elsa, but that could be in part for feeling worse about eager here.

Eager, to make new notes. Honestly they should pop into your head and should be easy to remember considering you already made them once. I'm not reading as Elsa latching onto anything. At least not on a scummy way. I do the same shit.

I always think it's scummy when someone says they have something, but then all of a sudden they forgot to save or lost it all. And they've also flipped town before so just go make new notes.

My read on gin hasn't changed

My read on Elsa is changing

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Also you're about to engage him in a conversation that isn't gonna go anywhere just bail out now imo

= Vifam

Where you at on any scum reads?

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@eager what do you think is town about ragingspam?

[lane0168]

VOTE: Elsa and ana

I site 254-257

I can't see your citations.

254 : i saying you don't have a good read on us
255 : Not sure what is your point. Are you questioning RC town abilities?
256 : is not related to us
257 : where did he use meta exactly?

#Elsa

Agreed that I cited 254 errantly but your contributions to the beginning of the game weren't impressive at best

255 is me saying you're trying too hard to look town. btw, did you ever post conclusions from the reactions you got? I probably missed it

256 is me saying I think what lane has noticed about you makes you scummy

257 is me saying you use enough meta to be able to explain why this isn't typical town play from not mafia

256, where you say you like my 179, and agree what I noticed about Elsa makes them scummy. My 179 was all about raging specifically alisae...

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Ok NOW I feel better about Elsa, but that could be in part for feeling worse about eager here.

Eager, to make new notes. Honestly they should pop into your head and should be easy to remember considering you already made them once. I'm not reading as Elsa latching onto anything. At least not on a scummy way. I do the same shit.

I always think it's scummy when someone says they have something, but then all of a sudden they forgot to save or lost it all. And they've also flipped town before so just go make new notes.

My read on gin hasn't changed

My read on Elsa is changing

What about "your read on gin is not chnaging" is related to "your read on Elsa is chnaging"?

@eager may I ask you to give us a tldr of your current reads?

and this time make sure to post them here publicly not where your daughter practice letters and numbers

#Elsa

They aren't related.

And also for eager it should be easy cause he said they were mostly feelings... Well I don't know how you forget how you feel about people

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RagingSpammers' posting on the last page was town but jfc can you not live up to your name thanks.

eager if NM is getting vigged, why are you still voting him?

What was town about RS's posting?


My Spammers vote is now a serious one. Snake sees more interested in talking about himself than anyone else, I want to figure out whether that's his style or whether he's hiding behind it.

Did sircakez answer? So I don't have to ask?

And did you figure this out about snake?

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The whole reason I posted what I posted was to see who would latch onto it.

N_M poked at it. E/A latched on.

"posted what I posted" referring to what?

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The whole reason I posted what I posted was to see who would latch onto it.

N_M poked at it. E/A latched on.

"posted what I posted" referring to what?

You just answered with saying the same thing. What was the thing you "posted what you posted" that you're talking about?

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Oh the thing about nobody voting you? Not the part about your notes. Because I thought Elsa latched onto the notes that got deleted.

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why I first the first reaction of you the "Lol" one I mean more genuine than the rest of your posts?

#Elsa

... What?

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@eager what do you think is town about ragingspam?

I felt the whole page 1 thing was rather townie while I witnessed it happening real-time.

Alisae and CK I have played with both of them as town and don't see or feel any noticeable difference here.

Hey Laaaaaaaane, why did you drop the interaction here?
-Ali

Because I was busy doing other things. Keep reading

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@sircakez, my bad. I assumed people read my earlier posts.

Still town reading gin.

Not scum reading elsa

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dead

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I think RS is town too

So far I'd be cool with lynching MoI/Elsa&A/Lane/massive/NotMafia

why I'm in your list? any particular concern?

#Elsa

Diddo

[lane0168]

That's legit

[lane0168]

why you didn't claim it with your role claim?

tbh I forgot what character I was.

This is fair Elsa. I actually had to go check cause at first I didn't think I had a role name and thought raging made it up.

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So spyro needs to be protected. I'm just saying

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I think RS is town too

So far I'd be cool with lynching MoI/Elsa&A/Lane/massive/NotMafia

Talk to me about your townread on Spammers. What do you think about their fake CC?

I don't really see the scum motivation behind it

I don't see the town motivation to fake-CC a PR. The only thing that confuses me is that RS backed out, and outed their own weird CC that no one else would have noticed anyway.

Now that I type it out like that, it does seem silly. Hmm.

When you type it out like that, it seems worse. Considering how quickly it was back tracked. But then again it could be scum thinking it would get them killed if someone noticed, and deciding it was a bad idea and coming clean. Like if someone noticed, what would have happened... Either we lynch spyro or raging. Then if she takes it back she's dead

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VOTE: Eagersnake

Fuck you. get pled

Stop it please

[lane0168]

Good find Gin. Prohawk was flying under my radar. But when you put it that way... I'll wait for him to answer

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Lol

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I was waiting to see what his next posts were long ago. I just didn't say anything. Way before you

[lane0168]

You could probably include me. I had a couple comments about not feeling good about you I think. Could've just been in my head though

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I'll catch up later today, I also need to re-read RS's ISO with an open mind.

You want to know what would really make this seem genuine?
An unvote.
You want to know why?
Becuase if it was genuine, you would have unvoted so that you could read my ISO with an open mind without having to worried about me getting hammered, because I'm currently at L-2. And then once having re-read, put your vote back on if you so desired.
VOTE: Leonshade
-Ali

This is terrible reasoning. Absolute dog shit

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256, where you say you like my 179, and agree what I noticed about Elsa makes them scummy. My 179 was all about raging specifically alisae...

Still applies

Still applies? even though it's about a completely different person? Or do you mean what I said about rs, applies to ea. Got ya

[lane0168]

UNVOTE:

My role PM confirms the existence of Spyro in this game.

you mean it confirms that flavor is town?

I don't know flavor but it seems main character

#Elsa

The only thing I'm confirmed is that Spyro is in this game, so I know it's not a fakeclaim.

If flavor is linked to alignment, it's town.

Don't want to vote a D1 vig claim regardless.

P-edit: What's your flavor Spammers?

There are 2 factions. Loyal to spyro, and forces of evil. I have a very uneasy feeling about the bolded and I've been rereading it trying to figure out why. There's a certain hesitation to call spyro Town here, and I really don't know why that is. Leon, does your roll pm that mentions spyro not make it clear what alignment he is? Or the fact that "loyal to spyro" is town faction, and spyro being scum seems a little bastard.

[lane0168]

So many pr claims! This game is a shit show lol. This day just needs to end. I'm still sketched by Leon, and him not doing any digging after the spyro claim. Didn't even bother to look to see if maybe spyro was ai. That doesn't seem like someone who is unsure about spyro's alignment.

Considering the amount of roles being thrown out, I have no idea if role cop is scum. I was leaning scum, until we had another one.

What do we have for role claims?

Gin-1 shot role cop neighbor
N_m- 1 shot role cop neighbor
E&a - friendly neighbor *psyche* messenger
Eager - spyro vig
Leon - something that tells him spyro is in the game

Can someone complete if I missed anything?

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How does lane get below the null line?

His first post was awkward and then he changed his tone which I found more suspicious. I did say I liked the follow up better but it's still possible from scum.

You're still on that first post? Figured you would realize how not fake it was. Considering its been 5 days, over 40 pages. A lot of shit show, and me posting when I have something to say. It's the nature of the game. That "fake" post is exactly how I felt and all feel

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I didn't change any tone. That's false

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VOTE: leonshade

I think this'll be scum knowing there's spyro. He says he's unsure of alignment of spyro, but did zero research to maybe figure out if it was. Seems like something you might do. But did no digging, considering he didn't know if it was AI, and didn't know town fraction is "loyal to spyro". Wouldn't you at least try to look at the setup, and look for anything hinting at alignment and see if there is anything alluding to spyro's alignment?

That still looks to be like someone who knows spyros alignment and wanted to be cautious and make it look like he didn't know

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Ah yes, Role madness. I must've forgot. That would explain my baller role.

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I never did

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It wasn't a town read. You were voting there. You unvoted with the claim? I just think maybe you would've checked to see if there was any information that would hint at spyros alignment. Because figuring out people's alignment is how you play this game. Scum don't need to if course

I couldn't tell you how much experience I have with that. I can't remember. I don't know that it's relevant considering you not knowing the alignment is not the reason for the vote. It's the fact you didn't do the simple things that could've alluded to it. Like read the setup

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@leon

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Why are we having a discussion about whether someone who essentially claimed vig on ~page 10 is scum?

I didn't bother pointing out the posts, but I have a very strong townread on eager anyway.

We're not. At least I'm not

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Ok, why did you end the interaction there? What did you think of eager's response?

I focused on other things. It didn't strike me one way or another. It didn't convince me rs was town. It wasn't something I was about to go meta diving for and fact check. And i wouldn't have gotten a better answer that did convince me considering it was meta and eagers opinion. I didn't see a need to continue it. You're welcome to though.

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What did you think of eager's response?

@lane

Chill

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Ok, why did you end the interaction there? What did you think of eager's response?

I focused on other things. It didn't strike me one way or another. It didn't convince me rs was town. It wasn't something I was about to go meta diving for and fact check. And i wouldn't have gotten a better answer that did convince me considering it was meta and eagers opinion. I didn't see a need to continue it. You're welcome to though.

Ok fine.

And sorry for repeating, I thought you missed the question.

Anyway, so far I feel like you're nitpicking instead of scumhunting. It reminds me of your play in the purge. I just don't see you really trying to figure people out with any of your questions.

You quoted 1. Was there more? I guess you could say that's just my style then. I'd say I generally find things that seem significant to me, but may not be to other people.

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What if we lynch rc, then Gin? That cool rc?

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You quoted 1. Was there more? I guess you could say that's just my style then. I'd say I generally find things that seem significant to me, but may not be to other people.

Yes, I'll ISO you and find more if you want me to.

But what's with this tone change from when I explained my SR on you before? Is it just that you thought my earlier reasons for SRing you were shit and this is more reasonable?

I will say that even though I was scum in poker mafia, you seemed obvtown to me there

That's exactly it. I'm self aware of this game compared to others. Generally I'm highest poster and if I'm not, there's not much going on. I got to this game "late" and quickly realized this is a whole new can if worms. From my first post I recognize I've never been in a game with so many very active players. It's just the nature of the game.

You don't have to find more. Not for me anyways. I believe you think that.

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@rc, because I townread Gin, and my gut says you're scum. Our last two games you were scum, one I was blown away you didn't get lynched after 2 fake claims, the other I was pretty confident you were scum, but I couldn't explain it clearly. Here I'm getting that feeling because I know you've played the "people just want to lynch me to say they lynched me incase I'm scum" and you play "id never play shitty as town to make my scum game better" cards. Also I totally agree that you AtE incessantly until it works and people go from "this is scum rc, look what he's doing" to "wow he's doing it SO MUCH he can't be scum" like infinity has done.

Leon is a town read.

@moi I've changed my mind on Leon, so my scum reads are still raging, because I see the fake claim the opposite of everyone else except Leon. That she tested the waters, realized how it could fuck her over, and came clean. She wasn't thinking clearly, thinking she could maybe get the vig lynched, but realized how bad of an idea it was.

I could hop on with moi on sircakez.

Infinity I'm struggling with. Surprisingly, he's the only one that keeps bringing up how different I am. But is that because everyone else that sees it, can see past that, and he's scum trying to pick something easy? Or if it's real. I was leaning real, but his sudden release of rc while rc changed nothing, including continuing not giving reads throws me off.

I can't see any reason to townread flubber.

Or aella

Or massive

Or n_m

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VOTE: sircakez

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"wow he's doing it SO MUCH he can't be scum" like infinity has done.

Well

After I just kept scumreading him more and more for AtEing, yes him continuing to do it looks town to me.

But my main reason for townreading him is that his actions after the AtE don't seem manipulative or apologetic at all.

I find it annoying when people don't answer my questions. What do you think of RC's claim that he's better and explaining his side calmly as scum and weaker emotionally?

I think it's completely not what I know from scum rc.... In 2015

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If I was as confident as I was those games, id have my vote there. So there's that.

Pedit talking about rc

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Ok interesting. How much do you think we should trust RC if he's town?

Also what do you think about his play post-AtE?

I was just going to say... I simultaneously trust him and distrust him. I don't know if I could sheep them on that. I've maybe ever been so duped once (if Gin was actually scum) which is why I wish he'd answer you when asking about other people.

I think his play post AtE looks like he did everything he could to get pressure off him so he can stop with the charade. He still hasn't done any of the things asked of him during the freak out

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I'm bummed I didn't do more to figure out why Elsa claimed friendly neighbor, when apparently that had nothing to do with their role

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@lane So just to get this straight, you think the nitpicking is a normal part of your playstyle as both alignments, but your tone has changed for you from your normal tone as either alignment?

I said if you think I'm nitpicking here and in a scum game apparently its nai. I know my playstyle is normally finding something seemingly insignificant and driving it home as town. And that's how I normally obvi town.

I don't have a normal tone as scum. I haven't played enough for it to be a normal tone. I've done ok like once that wasn't multiball, pretty good when multiball, and generally terrible when not multiball.

This feels like some sort of no win questioning

[lane0168]

I've been trying to decide if I should claim or not all day. What are roles you claim right away without pressure?

[lane0168]

Alright I wasn't sure about mine. I've never seen my variant, but I've seen the base role confirmed day 1 before

[lane0168]

I think not wanting to mass claim and the openly opposing it is blatantly anti-town in this situation

VOTE: MoI

*Jackie Chan what?*

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Because you think only scum would be against a mass claim and he detailed why he thinks it's bad. There's no way only scum think its bad. I can't think of any reason scum would not want a mass claim. Not that outweighs knowing all roles and being able to deduce intentions of those roles

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I think I want to claim

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Except I'm sure theres rb and/or redirect

[lane0168]

Am I the only one that thinks day 2 double voter is ridiculous or...

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Alisae has ~100 posts elsewhere since her last post here. Was pretty active here when being pushed. Absent since pressure relieved. Wonder where that slot is

[lane0168]

Can we just pretend deadline is tonight at midnight and get this day over with?

[lane0168]

Why the fuck did eager do that? God he sucks so bad

[lane0168]

This day needs to end

[lane0168]

My full role is innocent child jailkeeper. I'll target you and you'll still get a shot off. Right?

[lane0168]

My full role is innocent child jailkeeper. I'll target you and you'll still get a shot off. Right?

[lane0168]

@mod, can you confirm me ic please?

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Lane being town makes RC more likely to be scum

Did you notice the whole "lane you're supposed to be able to read me, why would you say me before Gin?" felt pretty manipulative to me

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I do have personal reasons to believe in an RC town read

but i did have a shadow of a thought that RC was hard bussing earlier as an RC gambit

This crossed my mind.

And I'm still not confident in my rc read. Because I could be wrong, and the things that made me MOST confident in those games are missing in this game.

[lane0168]

Later

[lane0168]

VOTE: rc

I agree to vig Gin if town.

[lane0168]

VOTE: ragingspamers

Deadline is in 5 hours. Let's vote here

[lane0168]

It had a lot of pressure for good reasons earlier in the day. And it's now non existent, dropping in to say they aren't doing anything the rest of the day. Convenient after the pressure is relieved.

Infinity, of course scum would out it. Once they realized how idiotic it was. None of it makes sense coming from town. None of it. You can make a case for why scum would counter claim someone, even if it's a bad idea

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Deadline: (expired on 2017-02-20 01:23:53).[/color][/font][/size]

Wrong. It's in 4 hours

[lane0168]

Come to a consensus people! 3 HOURS TO DEADLINE!

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How legitimate do you think the argument is of "day 2 double voter is basically VT for balance" Leon?

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Everything rc says, is something scum!rc would say. Id probably bet even money theyre scum

[lane0168]

lol, the 9 day deadline is a countdown so it's still accurate. we got time

I'm not ic jk. I'm ic deadline controller...

And I'm trying not to have a 150 page day 1

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To get a mislynch on them later or sooner, to maybe get a vig shot on eager, to maybe get a town rb or jk on spyro, to get a doc on themselves. If someone sees that, it's quite possible they don't say anything so they don't out spyro

[lane0168]

I could really go for a daybourhood with Leon right now

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Lane are you a jailkeeper or not

Yes, thought the deadline controller would be an obvious joke...

[lane0168]

Catching up a little more

^^With the EA friendly neighbor claim is that a cc?

RC is not a friendly neighbor, he is a messenger.

Jesus how many times must we go over this?... And I still think it's so bad that friendly neighbor ever came up... Like, how does someone accidentally claim friendly neighbor when that's not close to what they are?... They don't, do they?

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Lane who am I vigging if gins town/scum

RC hands down. If you're uncomfortable with that, who was hard reading gin as town and now lynched there? That's where id start

[lane0168]

Yeah that's why I'm shooting not mafia if you flip town to remove neighborhood wifom

This is OK too I spose. But rc would be my choice. He has a way of talking his way out of things, and he should die for his confidence in Gin. That's scum rc through and through. He did it to me and I knew his reasons were total bull shit. I pushed as hard as I could but got zero help so he lived on

[lane0168]

This is sad and kind of pathetic.

Just vig me. gl

You said you'd be the shot if Gin was town right?

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But how the fuck does Gin get lynched with literally zero case. Most town read fucking person... Gets lynched

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VOTE: massive

Why?

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Eager, who did you shoot?

[lane0168]

Why couldn't I have been town who just had a townread on him? I think I pointed out a lot of specifics which contributed to my read...

You could be. But your predecessor was sus as all hell and Gin attacked him for that. He responded badly and replaced out.

Cakez's read on spammers looks like S/T

How did you draw this conclusion?
-Ali

Your case is based solely off his predecessor is what you're saying here... Considering I'm town and also hard read Gin. So that's nai. And here you're other point is, is Prohawk. 1/10. You should maybe die today

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So I'm down to lynch Inf, RC, and Aella.
VOTE: Aella
Never liked them before the hammer. Never liked them after the hammer.
-Ali

Where is your other vote going. You are a day 2 double voter?

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VOTE: nacho_mafia

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If this doesn't pan out, RC will be the lynch today

[lane0168]

I'm confident.

Why is n_m town?

[lane0168]

So far your town NM case is as good as your scum Gin case. What's your town NM case? Why is he town?

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I really don't care how confident you are. If I'm getting lynched anyway I want N_M to either get nightkilled by scum or brought to endgame. non negotiable.

You power lynched the most Townie player we had. Self voted 3 (4?) times. Continuously give no case for anything. Beg to be lynched, and you think you have some sort of authority here? Lol

Who did you send a message to? I'm 90% sure massive is town. And if NM is saying their scum, I want to know why you think nm is town

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I'll explain my massive read when I get the chance

[lane0168]

RC deathtunneled Gin with a strongman vig in the game and brought endless attention to himself in the process, either he was

really

confident that people wouldn't vig/lynch him despite a Gin town flip, or he's town. Gin 1v1 would not have been in scum's favor.

Trust me. Rc complains about always being lynched and shit, but he knows how not to get vigged/nk'd. He wasn't really confident. He faked it. He just claimed he's good cause he to finds town. He power lynched the towniest player. That's what scum rc does. And somehow talks how easy out of all the scummy shit he does

[lane0168]

Hwshwhsm

I've reason to believe massive is town... But n_m role cop votes there with zero explanation even though he had already claimed... That's sketchy as Fuck

[lane0168]

Raise your hand if you tried and possibly succeeded in saving someone last night

[lane0168]

RC deathtunneled Gin with a strongman vig in the game and brought endless attention to himself in the process, either he was

really

confident that people wouldn't vig/lynch him despite a Gin town flip, or he's town. Gin 1v1 would not have been in scum's favor.

Trust me. Rc complains about always being lynched and shit, but he knows how not to get vigged/nk'd. He wasn't really confident. He faked it. He just claimed he's good cause he to finds town. He power lynched the towniest player. That's what scum rc does. And somehow talks how easy out of all the scummy shit he does

What do you think he did this game to stop himself from getting vigged? I don't remember him going out of his way to placate Snake.

Lane I am giving you a free lynch on me on the condition that you leave my townreads the fuck alone. Calm down.

Who are your townreads now, besides NM?

@Leon he's not wrong that I've done similar shit as scum. I'm town but I don't expect that anything that I do this game will ever change his mind at this point and it's better that I die now than later.

Gah, your deathwish just makes me think you're town. Unless you do this as scum as well.

is he dead?

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Raise your hand if you tried and possibly succeeded in saving someone last night

lol no one tried to kill you

I know that. Asking for a friend

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And yeah he does this as scum Leon, what did I just fucking tell you?

[lane0168]

You're one of the noobs that doesn't even know and can't even realize RC is doing everything he can to not get lynched! You JUST SAID YOU THINK HE'S TOWN?! What's your town case? That he completely manipulated you into thinking he's town without doing a single town action? That's scumrc 101

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Massive, do you think the nm vote on you is weird considering he's role cop?

[lane0168]

Rc, how about you unvote, I'll vote, then you hammer yourself

[lane0168]

Ok

[lane0168]

VOTE: rc

See ya

Pedit. Son of a

[lane0168]

Eager, massive, are town confirmed. This is 100%

SirCakez used an ability last night so the only other action from scum was the kill knowing scum can do 1 kill and 1 ability.

Pretty sure Leon is town

[lane0168]

Ok you want to be a total moron? I will vote myself to L-1 for you.

Not surprised you'd rather an IC died rather than hammer yourself. If you are a town supersaint that would be directly against your wincon

[lane0168]

Hammer yourself

[lane0168]

What kind of town would rather the IC hammered a town supersaint, than just hammer them self, if you're going to be on the wagon regardless?

[lane0168]

Be nice if Not_Mafia would give us a result.

[lane0168]

You are going to feel really, really dumb at some point Lane.

I don't see how this is a possibility.

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If by imagination you mean imagine that town would ever fake claim, power lynch the most town person, self vote several times, suggest the IC hammer a super Saint, AtE more than had every been AtE'd before (besides his other games) and call it his most town game ever, then yeah, I'm dumb and have no imagination.

[lane0168]

I'm 99% sure this is a scum flip ftr so we should be fine here. I highly recommend that any protective roles that we have be on EagerSnake as oppsoed to Lane.

For real though. Protect eager.

[lane0168]

Lol. You're the one that said I could read you. It was never my plan to bring up games from 2015

[lane0168]

Vote them while we wait for lane to explain his massive read?

SirCakez gave me his tracker

[lane0168]

Leon, it's your role different now that spyro is dead?

[lane0168]

Scumpool is still {Aella, Infinity, RS}.

Only thing that worries me is that lane is the only strong TR left. My Flubber TR is outdated (I haven't had a reason to doubt it, but it's not like it was based on much), and while N_M and massive haven't given me reason to think they're scum, I don't have much reason to think that they're town, either.

Exactly where I'm at. Except you just have to trust me massive is town and flubber is most likely town

I think we do rs or infinity

[lane0168]

Nacho Mafia is scum pool as well

VOTE: infinity

Going with the late greats moi and RC on this one

[lane0168]

We do full claim. Who's not claimed? I'll start over

I'm innocent child. I have no jailkeeper. I claimed that to try to get the kill target as I was bulletproof while spyro was dead

[lane0168]

Vote them while we wait for lane to explain his massive read?

SirCakez gave me his tracker

Interesting...are you willing to claim your result? Why do yo think he did that?

My guess would be to look town... Why else?

[lane0168]

I was going to say, if it's just me and Flubber left, it should be obvious I'm the doc-giver. I gave Flubber a doc shot N1 but the role PM says they get it the next night, so Flubber's claim on THAT part lines up. No sense in me saying who's going to get one tonight but that choice has already been made.

Eager was definitely the right choice for a doc shot use last night. Unfortunately for Flubber, the scum strongman was Cakez so clearly he didn't use the doc shot last night.

VOTE: Flubber

Night 3 strongman

[lane0168]

Vote them while we wait for lane to explain his massive read?

SirCakez gave me his tracker

Cakez could have tracked me.
Would that make me town?
-Ali

No, how would that make you town?

[lane0168]

Why are you still arguing that I'm NOT town?

Who do you think should be protected tonight?

[lane0168]

Flubber, what's your role?

2-shot watcher

Cakez visited Lane n1

Not claiming my second visit yet

Claim it

[lane0168]

I guess my final conclusion is that massives role is nai

He gave you a doc, SirCakez visited me. Scum can only use one power role and 1 kill. Therefore, massive town

[lane0168]

What is an inventor?

[lane0168]

He gave you a doc, SirCakez visited me. Scum can only use one power role and 1 kill. Therefore, massive town

How about the third scum?

What do you mean what about the third scum? We still haven't found the second...

[lane0168]

Who was last nights investigate?

[lane0168]

We need a summary

[lane0168]

VOTE: ragingspamers literally doing nothing. Let's lynch here

[lane0168]

Lynching in infinity, rs, nm, aella

[lane0168]

Flubber, what's your role?

2-shot watcher

Cakez visited Lane n1

Not claiming my second visit yet

Lol flubber doc'd sircakez, but he's not claiming his second visit... Which he didn't use?

Ok

VOTE: flubber

[lane0168]

I don't know what ya'lls points are right now... Are you saying flubber is scum or trying to say he's not?

[lane0168]

But that doesn't explain who the lying investigative is...

[lane0168]

Remember I was bulletproof until spyro died. We had way too many claims but I should've eaten at least one kill. Idk if that makes a difference.

[lane0168]

UNVOTE: we will see what mod says

[lane0168]

Ok well i believe flubber. Because if he was only the investigative, then there would be a missing protective. Let's lynch ragingspamers

[lane0168]

At least we know massive visited, so there's a doc. Night 3 strongman is dead, so I'll live to see another day. I assume.

I'm going to believe flubber and massive and Leon are town.

I feel like it's possible nm used role cop on rc night 1, possible partners with rs, who would've known there's no fear of a super Saint.

[lane0168]

btw if you couldn't tell, me hammering RC was obviously a scum claim.
Like what else could it be? A town claim. There's no way I'm town!
-Ali

Waaaaaaaaat, I swear I saw 2 scum PRs do their thing in the scum PT!
Like ya know, actual actions.
-Ali

Like what are these besides actual scum claims for the laughs? I see no other reason to be saying this shit as town

[lane0168]

VOTE: ragingspamers

[lane0168]

Scumpool still the same. RS looks like he's just playing up his VI antics now.

VOTE: RagingSpammers

There are a bunch of roles with a modifier/2 parts. I'm not moving my vote. Bring us into mylo if we must but rs will be my mylo pick anyways

[lane0168]

Credit: Snake.

Alive

lane0168 - Town Innocent Child
Not_Mafia - Neighbor 1-Shot Role Cop (Greta)
RagingSpammers (Cloudkicker + Alisae) - Day 2 Double Voter (Bentley)
Leonshade - Conditional Modified Global Voyeur (Sparx)
Flubbernugget - Two-Shot Watcher
massive - Doc-Giver
Infinity 324 - Even-Night Roleblocker (Sgt. Byrd)
Ælla Was Spine (Lycanfire + Vifam) - One-Shot commuter (Sheila)

Dead

TheRealGin-N-Tonic - Town Neighbor 1-Shot Role Cop (Handel)
SirCakez - Evil Amnesiac Tracker and Night 3 Strongman (The Sorceress)
MagnaofIllusion - Town Even-Night Roleblocker (Agent 9)
RadiantCowbells - Anon Messenger (Zoe)
eagerSnake - Town One-Shot Strongman Vigilante (Spyro)

Who WAS the investigate? If Flubber used a doc instead.

[lane0168]

I don't fucking know. It could be anyone. It could be flubber. He only claimed watching people we already knew. I'm coming around on the strongman theory I think

[lane0168]

Rs is playing some weird ass defense mechanism playing that we will think scum would never act like a complete fucking idiot. But why would town? Why would town be a total fuck bag and not contribute anything today? She doesn't know who to push with so many pretty much confirmed town

[lane0168]

Well, and N_M.

RC wanted him vigged, too. Snake claimed that this was his town game D1, but I'm not sure if his read changed. I can't remember what Magna thought of the slot.

Magna was on infinity and cakez for the most part

RC was on infinity and rs at the end.

I have reasons to vote too many people right now

[lane0168]

VOTE: aella

I'm everywhere right now

[lane0168]

And then I get the feeling that scum would have a rolecop... And spammers has been a pretty much consistent scum read for several people the whole game

[lane0168]

All town people so far

[lane0168]

But I could go infinity or flubber too

[lane0168]

Unless town rs is actively trying to throw the game, they're scum

[lane0168]

So my interest in this game has been pretty much gone since the quickhammer in day 2.

Even looking at this game is making me sick-it's like Steven Universe 2 all over again, except this time I pulled Vifam into the suit instead of being pulled in. So it's worse.

Our hydra pt is pretty much dead and our slot is lynchbait. Pretend I haven't read the last 20 pages outside of a skim to see if we were lynched. What do you want right now?

One of my scumtells on Cakez (beyond shading Eager) was that he was making fakeposts like

-447 gin has a really shaky vote on eager over him being lynchbait. i thought this was behaviorally consistent because gin was talking about helping people improve through good play w/alisae earlier. but the unvote and the "i don't believe [spyro claim]" looks shitty. only because it's over the top in proportion to his read (not liking the "i'm lynchbait" thing)

-448 if cakez is scum, gin is town imo. it looks like cakez is trying hard to find a town response here and chose very poorly in echoing gin.

-581 post that would spawn a millions memes

-588 it felt like cakez was doing the same "what would a townie post be" and mimicked RS.

Which is why I said a "Cakez lynch would help sort Gin [who is freaking me out] but I want Leon blah blah" in an earlier post. Vifam had been driving the votes outside of the one I made on Leon and we were both happy with them given what we knew. I have other notes about RS (that quick CC was way too fast to be a calculated effort to get townpoints, for instance) but I had in my notes preflip that these two weren't teammates, and the flip made me more comfortable in that. Still pissed about the quickhammer, but since I didn't read RC as RC I should probably read Alisae as Alisae.

I feel like lane|nm|RS are suretown. Before I commit to a vote I have a question.

If lane didn't die, and eager did, AND flubber AND massive collaborate their story via docgive AND flubber is telling the truth regarding watch [that Cakez tracked lane]...

How did the scumteam get that information before Cakez died?

-lycan

Cakez tracked massive, but what are you asking? What information?

[lane0168]

Flubber, what's your role?

2-shot watcher

Cakez visited Lane n1

Not claiming my second visit yet

Cakez tracked massive... I just got the result... It's this what aella is taking about?

So I think this actually caught flubber in a lie?

[lane0168]

If amnesiac tracker tracked massive, and sent the result to me... Wouldn't a watchers result still be massive?

[lane0168]

Ok gotcha

[lane0168]

I don't know why I can't get tracker and Watcher sorted out

[lane0168]

I'm sorry for spamming. I just, my mind is everywhere. So I'm going with my original massive Leon and me and flubber for now town.

Unless we mislynch twice, we got 2 shots in infinity, rs, n-m, and Aella... 50 50 we win on accident. Hopefully better if we can figure this out.

Raging could die. I don't think day 2 double voter is only part of role

[lane0168]

I personally believe that scum is in RS, Ella, Flubber, massive in that because U. S. Americans are unable to do so because, uh, some people out there in our nation don't have maps and, uh, I believe that our education, like such as in South Africa and, uh, the Iraq, everywhere like such as, and I believe that they should—our education over here in the U. S. should help the U. S., uh, or, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq, and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future, for our children.

Lmao. You don't believe massive and flubbers claim?

Follow along closely please.

SirCakez used his tracker and gave it to me.

The results were massive visited flubber.

SirCakez is scum confirmed due to flip.

Therefore, massive is town.

[lane0168]

The Lmao should've been on its own line lol. For the rest of the posts content. One of my favorite things ever

[lane0168]

Flubber, what's your role?

2-shot watcher

Cakez visited Lane n1

Not claiming my second visit yet

Cakez tracked massive... I just got the result... It's this what aella is taking about?

So I think this actually caught flubber in a lie?

So some people can do two visits in a night but some can't? What differentiates?

Well generally, the role card...

[lane0168]

Fuck. I thought I was voting raging...

[lane0168]

All well, that could be scum too. See you guys tomorrow

[lane0168]

Massive is confirmed town with a role. I'd doc there if I were you. As long as people aren't stupid and forget he's confirmed town. Scum can do one kill and one power. So massive is town

[lane0168]

Or doc me, I like living as well

[lane0168]

Not mafia, why did you hammer. That was stupid. I'm more mad about it now

[lane0168]

Alisae is too pro.

I miss you. Beer soon?

I fucked up and didn't realize my vote was still on Aella.

[lane0168]

and don't say the votes on me were anything besides a policy lynch. the only one who gave 'actual' reasons was ragingspammers. infinity/Lane just implied that I could do no wrong as town.

You clearly didn't read anything I wrote. Selective reading doesn't help anyone.

[lane0168]

I think the rolecop should've gone on Ali hands down. Day 2 double voter when so many people had 2 parts to their roles... Seemed like an obvi half truth. I could've gotten Ali lynched, but it would've been hard to convince me Leon was scum.

I get what you're saying magna, I think if you pushed that harder I would've listened. I was certainly on board for sircakez.

Raging should've gotten lynched for the god awful play early day 3.like what the fuck. How did I ever get off that? There was nothing town about it

There was nothing policy about rc's lynch. It just makes him feel better to say that after having a shitty game. I want to lynch self voters. I want to lynch people that claim friendly neighbor but aren't. I want to lynch someone who power lynches the most town read person. I want to lynch a claimed messenger that doesn't send messages because they forgot. I want to lynch people who say "hey lane, you should be able to tell I'm town" your player name has nothing to do with it. Except for the power lynch part because that's what I remember if your scum games.

[lane0168]

I played great. It only took me 1 mislynch to catch the entire scumteam. I am fine with that moving forward.

Then I don't think you quite understand the concept of mafia. That literally means nothing. If it did, there'd be scummy for "best at catching scum team after their dead but not doing jack shit to help town win"

[lane0168]

From the PM I sent to TTH last night:

Part of me wants to say "no action" and test Leonshade. That would suck for town if (a) I die or even if I don't (b) they won't have a doc shot the next night.

But honestly I can't give it to Lane again. If I die tonight I need someone who can protect Lane the next night. And if I don't die and someone else does, that would be Lane, so it would go unhelpful anyways.

And that means I'm like 50/50 to give it to scum ANYWAYS.

I also thought Flubber had screwed up his results so I didn't go back to Flubber. Had I realized what Flubber had done (ie, watched Lane two nights in a row) I might have rethought this (but I still don't know that it would have mattered).

Good to know I can do VCA to some degree. Sorry that I couldn't push that one through today, but I don't know that I would have come around on Leon either way. Leon you will have my ultimate paranoia forever. That's two games in a row where you've beaten me.

To be fair, I didn't have to do much in Smackdown after I got drafted over to your thread, I mostly just blended in while my buddies did the heavy lifting. But here I did put in a lot of effort.

Flubber wanting to be quiet about his second watch result got me to figure out that you had given lane the doc N2. Giving me the doc made planning N4 a bit easier, but realistically whoever got the doc would've just protected you and everyone else would've been open for the NK. If RS had gotten lynched instead of N_M, I probably would've shot Flubber, pushed for an Infinity mislynch and with three players left it wouldn't matter who has the doc. A no-lynch can always be followed by a no-kill, too.

Yeah i was afraid after I realized who flubber watched and him saying massive visited.... That was pretty obvious. I wish I wouldn't have gotten the doc. Then there's no wifom who gets docced between massive and me

[lane0168]

Yeah he's kind of delusional. He just can't accept getting lynched for shit play. His brain literally will not let him do it. Which is unfortunate because if he could learn to use his words and like massive said, make a case and convince people, he could be really good.

And rc, I didn't say you were to blame for the town loss. Why do you constantly read what you want to read and not what's written?

[lane0168]

Lane -- I agree that the N2 choice of giving you the doc wasn't optimal, but I had run out of people I trusted. At least I knew you would actually use the doc shot as intended, heh.

Yeah I hear you. At first I thought it possible you were scum, guaranteeing I wouldn't be saved? Idk... That lasted about a second. Then I realized it was a good play considering you became more valuable for town. I think if flubber wasnt under pressure, we'd have more easily formed a solid town block with our knowledge. Infinity couldn't understand flubber was GUARANTEED CONFIRMED town after using a power night 1. I don't get why people kept scum reading him.

[lane0168]

If more people talked to me as myself instead of as scumuntilproveninnocent then I think a lot less people would find that I'm an obnoxious jerkbag.

Dude, its mafia. EVERYONE is scum until proven innocent. That's literally the point of the game. You're not some special person that gets that special treatment. Everyone in the game is suspect from the beginning. Everyone gets votes in the beginning. But most people get over it and go do something in the game. Some don't. Some keep digging their own grave

[lane0168]

Like you're under the impression your banner does way more than it does and use that to fall back on getting lynched. You're delusional man. Take a step back, and accept the advice given to you

[lane0168]

Infinity couldn't understand flubber was GUARANTEED CONFIRMED town after using a power night 1

What?

Maybe I got that wrong. Did you agree flubber was confirmed town?

[lane0168]

RC, I was legitimately trying to sort you, even though I may not have shown it on the surface. I just found it hard to talk it out with you because when I tried to pressure you you blew up in my face. I didn't deathtunnel you, I doubted my read for a while but I think I did have some legitimate reasons to scumread you. It didn't help that all you gave me back was AtE and threats. I get that it's part of your playstyle and you feel like it's a necessity, but given how much scum use it as a tactic and scum!you uses it as a tactic you can expect me to unvote because of that.

I understand your frustration completely, but I think it's unreasonable to expect people to just...not touch your slot every game if theyre not one of the few players who know you intimately. I don't know about other people, but I treat every slot differently depending on the strength of their scumgame. That's just how I operate. It's playing against wincon for players to call you town for reasons they know you could fake as scum. So what do you expect

us

to do?

Not saying fear didn't play a part in my read, but you can't reduce it down to that. Again, I will try to read you better in the future but I might misread you too. I thought I had legitimate reason for scumreading you, again I totally understand why you're frustrated but sometimes you get misread and that's how the game goes.

Yeah I agree with this

[lane0168]

Infinity couldn't understand flubber was GUARANTEED CONFIRMED town after using a power night 1

What?

1 scum tracked
1 scum killed
1 scum could've watched

No. Scum could use 1 kill, and 1 power a night. Per the rules