~laundry~ FIN

[drealmerz7]

slysly is better though

[drealmerz7]

patient??

it's page 202 on D2

it's not patience it's procrastination because WE HATE DOING THE LAUNDRY, EP

WE FUCKING HATE IT

DO YOUR OWN FUCKING LAUNDRY NEXT TIME YOU SLACKFUCK

[drealmerz7]

we can't get the shit SORTED much less IN THE MACHINE

[drealmerz7]

such an excellent film

Val Kilmer is too under-rated - one-ofTHEBEST actors

I fucking bawl every time

[drealmerz7]

I wholly disagree

[drealmerz7]

could be scum but I'm leaning it to be more "I don't want to lay out hard scumreads because I don't want to be killeded"

[drealmerz7]

it varies from game to game, and within an individual game, person to person, how a person is going to behave towards a specific other to position themselves how they want to be positions in regards to them

[drealmerz7]

can I get you some hotpeanuts from the vending machine, nacho?

[drealmerz7]

it's not that simple, maria

[drealmerz7]

I don't ignore you at all and I find more often than not to like your posts more than most others

no I'm not buddying you

[drealmerz7]

that is how some games go

it is probably more damaging to town to replace out at this point and I view it pretty pro-town how he is being if he is town

if he's scum, we'll figure it out, again, I could use at least another Day to get a better sort on him

I was just in 2 games that I probably should have replaced out of :\ had no energy for them. Here I'm just riding out the early shitfestfilled Days

which hopefully are soon to end

let's kill sly sly please

[drealmerz7]

they's scum, yo

[drealmerz7]

you want me to be scum so badly

it's SAD

[drealmerz7]

as you've been doing most of this game
only time you've shown life is when you're being pushed which is why most people would probably be okay with you being super dead

it's not ringing me as scummy though and it is D2 in this gamestate his lynch doesn't give us much at all and he's not likely scum from the play

[drealmerz7]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[drealmerz7]

yeh maria is scum methinks with slysly and andrius

[drealmerz7]

maria, I treat each game independently

[drealmerz7]

this is starting to look multi-factional

[drealmerz7]

you guys are too late on going for SAD today

it is slysly now

not nacho, not pine

it's slysly as the clear lynch choice to me, he makes a lot of clarity and is likely scum, get on board

SAD is a distracting push today at this point, regardless of how SCUM he is

[drealmerz7]

"well we are tired of trying to push this wagon, who do you think we can try to take down next?!"

"drealmer of course!!!!"

"of course!! LET'S GET HIM!!"

seriously you ppls need to learn to spot a good lynch when you see 1 on D2 in a large game and just go with it - this shit is fucking ridiculous

[drealmerz7]

I am ok lynching drealmerz.
He's scumreading me and not screaming for my death.
This goes against everything I know about him.

Nos had a few good posts I liked but that's like drops of water in a pail of blood.

and you know pretty much absolutely practically nothing about me!! what a case!!!

[drealmerz7]

Why only post now you could have been helping slywagon or helping US you've been posting sparsely



I don't support your wagon I really want to know.

I've been skimming a lot because this game "is a slog"

we're 100 pages too long already and people can't seem to decide shit or keep focus or talk about anything that actually matters long enough to get anything done

[drealmerz7]

town has let scum do what scum do
drawn shit out and stopped good lynches and distracted and derailed and now I seriously don't give a fuck to address anything

[drealmerz7]

haven't for a while obviously, but that's not going to change simply because I'm getting a wagon built

for why is the wagon building? I didn't see it in my skim and I figure it's just stupid fluff of bullshit anyway

[drealmerz7]

oh right because the last couple didn't take and the 1 is scum so other scummers are continuing to try and derail it because they already lost 1 scum

[drealmerz7]

like

what

the

fuck

the game is not this hard

[drealmerz7]

it's like people have no idea how to do associative detective work

slysly or andrius need to die today, it's fucking simple, anyone not making it that simple are slysly and andrius and whatever scum-buddies they might have and townies who are allowing their fear and doubt and the influence of scum to dictate their actions

[drealmerz7]

Tally ho, folks, drealmerz is the correct lynch today!

was there a scum case there????

[drealmerz7]

to help me with the picture of the gamestate so I can move forward in my evaluations/scumhunting

[drealmerz7]

I think it'd help everyone else too, but I can't speak for others

[drealmerz7]

maybe you all find this helpful, I don't know

I don't

[drealmerz7]

I mean, SAD would be a great lynch too, I think he's obvi-scum, but I think slysly and andrius are likely as well and their lynch and flip and wagons will tell us (me, I guess) a great deal more than SADs at this point, imo

[drealmerz7]

like, it is scum who are trying so desperately to secure a mislynch

they lost 1 on D1, they are the ones invested in the effort to make sure it doesn't happenon D2

I know that's what I'd be doing if I were scum, working hard hard hard on D2 to secure a ML - who fits into that description? who is remaining active and postive through the slog, they are the more likely scum

andrius, slysly, SAD, pine even

[drealmerz7]

I don't know WTF desperado is doing

I swear most of the posts I see from him when I'm skimming are absolutely empty or echos of others' posts

[drealmerz7]

In other words, everyone who knows you well enough to know that this is your scum meta.

I don't have a scum meta

and no one knows me that well to even say one way or the other

the only one even remotely close is nacho and he doesn't fucking have a clue either

[drealmerz7]

^Yeah this is bullshit

why is that?

because it's not at all

[drealmerz7]

was like this in camn's and mystic recently too

but the point it, IT DOESN'T MATTER, that could be me being scum or town, it depends on the game, not on my alignment

[drealmerz7]

no one should try to form a read on me either way with that shit, it's NAI

I should be a big fat fucking NULL for everyone in this game atm if you're reading me properly

[drealmerz7]

because they know they look like shitscum if nacho flips town and of course they're not going to push sly!

[drealmerz7]

fuck I wish I were high

I've been scraping the rez for dayssss and now it is gone even

[drealmerz7]

so you need to analyze the game better obviously as you can't seem to see anything but votes

[drealmerz7]

excellent!

[drealmerz7]

that's the right move as obviuosly attention on me at this point in the game is fucking stupid

[drealmerz7]

hey, nice! thanks!

[drealmerz7]

blow it out your ass, dreal

ppppppppppppffffffffffffffffttttttttttttttttt

[drealmerz7]

I'm flailing?

[drealmerz7]

no words on the way the pine/drealm interaction unfolded? which is much more meaningful and significant

he was making a push on me and I was responding and he fucking dropped it so fast like "whooooops, I forgot I shouldn't push this guy he can actually play when he tries!" *runaway*

[drealmerz7]

you do know there is an "l" in my name, right?

[drealmerz7]

oh, but I am, tammy, I am

just not being vocal about it

I strongly think zach is town, I think nacho could be town, not sure why FB is all "oh it's so clear" about it, seems fishy

I strongly think andrius is scum, way more than nacho, especially after the sly flip that has helped me get my bearings on andrius's behavior and that is how it reads to me

pine is likely scum now too, imo, but that read I still want to develop more

[drealmerz7]

why are you so insistant that I'm scum? it's silly

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: Ser Arthur Dane

[drealmerz7]

why are you so insistant that I'm scum? it's silly

I tracked you to Tammy last night.

And why no comment on this..

you mean me? I typed and entered my vote as soon as I saw it

[drealmerz7]

you don't have a bunch of experience with me, you're talking out of your ass

now I definitely have a SR on you

[drealmerz7]

tried my best at what?

[drealmerz7]

you don't have a bunch of experience with me, you're talking out of your ass

now I definitely have a SR on you

Dude, we've played like half a dozen games together. That's plenty.

not even close to plenty, dude

[drealmerz7]

you've all just begun to scratch the surface that is drealmer playing mafia!!!

[drealmerz7]

Especially when you have a fairly transparent scumgame, and those games were all in the last three months or so.

hahahahahaa

[drealmerz7]

I play the game I need to play for the game I'm playing

[drealmerz7]

thats a scary thought dreal.

be excited, not afraid!

[drealmerz7]

so, pine is scum because:

he's saying I'm scum because he's so familiar with my game at this point that it's clear to him

and then he says I have a transparent scumgame, which would mean that he sees in me this game what he's seen in me in other games where I was scum

if you are aware of the games I've been in where I was scum...this is NOTHING LIKE THEM!!!!!

false-logic

break the circle

pine is scum

[drealmerz7]

I count five completed games we've played together in the last few months, plus several others. I feel I have a good handle on your meta as it presently stands. Whine and bitch all you want, I'm not going away.

Your flailing right now suggests I'm right.

Powerlynching Drealmerz tomorrow.

I'm not flailing, you're fucking ridiculous! you aren't even SAYING ANYTHING!!

"I have games with drealmer, so I can read him 100% no doubt"

at least say what you see that has you so convinced, but you can't!

[drealmerz7]

this shit gives me a fucking headache, at least make a fucking case with something on it instead of "he's scum because I know how he plays!"

that's some dumbshit and everyone knows it

[drealmerz7]

again, how many fucking times do I have to say it?????? HOW MANY TIMES?!?!?!?!

don't think you can read me based on previous games, it DOESN'T WORK ON ME

[drealmerz7]

make a fucking case

Guilty result is more than sufficient.
Goodbye, dreal.

yay more people just saying "oh well he's scum so he's scum!"

wowoww

[drealmerz7]

stepping back until someone actually says something that actually says anything

[drealmerz7]

the only thing I'm sweating, pine, is you being really annoying with a blatantly horrible case

your description of my scum game in the past few I've been on here is wholly inaccurate

I only KIND of barely did that in PYPDD, but that was because of the large playerlist and what was going in life early in that game, not because I was scum

In Memory I was loud and out right away
Ttyll, loud and out right away
even in the one we were scum together, I wasn't like this at all

you make no sense

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: Nachomamma8

Also, happy Valentine's Day, gang.
Sorry I can't give you what you want for Valentine's Day, Maria. Not my fault you didn't roll scum.


pedit: dreal, you betrayed the Strahdian and got SLY killed.
I am pretty mad.

I did?

I thought it was the majority of voters?

[drealmerz7]

pine

I refuted your case and told you why it was wrong

now respond

[drealmerz7]

why do you think I'm scum, andrius?

[drealmerz7]

Maria likely isn't mafia.

what makes you say that?

[drealmerz7]

Actually, you didn't say why it was wrong

uhhh, yes I did

what, you're not reading? scum

[drealmerz7]

can definitely vote gerry today

[drealmerz7]

I'm not butthurt, I'm asking you to respond because I refuted the points you made

if you can't find the post, I'll point it out to you:

#5665

please respond to it like you're playing mafia, not like I'm your fucking wife

[drealmerz7]

yes, there are, maybe if you don't understand how they are counterpoints you should read better or ask me questions about it

[drealmerz7]

you can't just SAY THINGS THAT ARE BLATANTLY NOT TRUE AND HOPE THEY GET PUSHED THROUGH BY SHEER WILL

IT'S FUCKING RIDICULOUS

[drealmerz7]

anyway, it's clear that you don't care to concede that your points were shit and I showed it because it makes you look bad and you can't come up with anything other than fallable things so I'll stop trying to engage you

VOTE: gerryoat

[drealmerz7]

maybe it deteriorates over time!

[drealmerz7]

gerry can you understand how it looks like you could have been "setting that up" from the get-go?

hey, I'm watching burn notice, dude just said "when I see scum, I have to end them"

[drealmerz7]

It was a fake claim, obv

Drealmerz reacted prett badly to it though, as he continues to react badly to my drive on him

dude

you seriously need to either get your head on straight and see clearly or get the fuck away from me

[drealmerz7]

*says things that sound like something but aren't actually anything because I'm talking out of my ass actually* (this is pine and andrius)

[drealmerz7]

pine is scum because he's bad as scum and this is him being bad as scum

[drealmerz7]

it's not even "majority bias", it's "a vocal, bullheaded few"

pine would be an excellent lynch today

[drealmerz7]

it's not even "majority bias", it's "a vocal, bullheaded few"

I mean, what do you want?

For us to all be playing like you?

You'd realize nothing would ever get done then right?

you to actually play the game instead of "omg dreamz is scum" like 50000 times without actually making a case

for pine to respond to my points that clearly refuted his shit-case

for people to stop being so blatantly fallable like this post is from you (I feel like everyone needs to take a course on how to make a valid argument with sound foundation)

now you're criticizing my D1 and D2 play, that I explicitly talked about on D1 and D2, and treating me like I'm playing that way now, and I'm not, except for that people aren't engaging me/my thoughts and so there's nothing much for me to do, but I am and when I do it just seems like you all don't know how to play mafia on the same level I do - I'm not trying to be arrogant, it's just that this shit is patheticly stupid and I don't know how to sink to such a level to engage it

[drealmerz7]

like...pine's case is soooo shitty horrible awful of a case

if he did that on my HS, he'd be lynched in an instant because it's so blatantly scummy and shitty - you can't get away with that shit where I'm used to playing, and that it's actually accepted as something that has any sort of merit hurts my fucking head

[drealmerz7]

I do not have the words to describe my apprehension with you this game so I'll simply use empty rhetoric like this and hope it gets the point across

[drealmerz7]

like...pine's case is soooo shitty horrible awful of a case

if he did that on my HS, he'd be lynched in an instant because it's so blatantly scummy and shitty - you can't get away with that shit where I'm used to playing, and that it's actually accepted as something that has any sort of merit hurts my fucking head

I've seen you say this more than once and I think you need to check that shit at the door man. We aren't at your homesite any more. The meta here is different. Push your case by all means but routinely referencing how some other group of people would all agree with you that something is obviously scummy gets you nowhere and alienates the people you are actually playing this game with.

it's more about trying to help you all understand where I'm at / why my frustration is what it is - I get tired of saying it, believe me, but it's the best way I know how to express what my issues are

I'm trying

[drealmerz7]

drealmerz, meanwhile, almost certainly scumread Nacho D2 but didn't push him. Walked into D3 (again this is IIRC) wanting me dead after a Sly flip but didn't join the Nacho wagon. Heck, he's voting GERRY today. I think drealmerz said enough about Nacho to look like he suspected Nacho without actually being part of the wagon while he sat on Sly HOPING for either a deadline lynch of Sly or a whimsical lynch anywhere else. I think that makes sense with what happened.

please actually quote the posts that make you come to these thoughts, otherwise it just looks to me like you're pulling it out of your ass

and no, I wasn't SRing nacho on D2 (again, quote where you got this from so I know wtf you're talking about and we can communicate and reach clarity)

[drealmerz7]

andrius, you're just trying to paint a narrative and push it through rather than communicate to reach an understanding about how things actually went down - this is scumtactics

[drealmerz7]

You're asking me to go back and read this slog of a game for a few specific quotes?
I can't even get you to read and respond to "cases" on you a page ago, let alone A HUNDRED PAGES AGO.

no I'm saying I want to know how you came to those thoughts, because they're inaccurate

it's not my fault you clogged up the thread with tons of shit that gives you a shit excuse to not do the work, it's yours

suffer through it and do it or quit playing

[drealmerz7]

why do you think what you think? you should first of all be able to express that, and then you should abe able to give examples that allow us to see how you reached those thoughts

that's what playing mafia is

[drealmerz7]

"see guys, I rolefished for reasons, that makes it okay!!!'


pfffffffffffffff

[drealmerz7]

Ok.
I EFFORTED and went into your ISO and apparently you said Nacho's name less times than there were dwarves in The Hobbit.

pedit: No, I'm not. I'm trying to remember this slog of a game and apparently I remember you doing more than you actually did. Because all I remember of you D2 was:
1) voting Sly
2) hitting the bong
3) defending Zach
4) arms-length interactions with nachoscum

And apparently you didn't really interact with Nacho.
So there goes that.

heyyy, great! reality instead of contrivance!! wowowwww!!!

[drealmerz7]

and how many times did I mention:

pine, toog, gerry, maria, zach, FB, desp

on D2?

[drealmerz7]

Yeah the reason I feel weird from dreamz's POV interaction with nacho is that in the recent finished Fate game (mystic mafia) dreamz was ALL ON TOP of Nacho (they were both town), while here he has been largerly ignoring him, which is extremely weird.

and I keep repeating myself

each game is a different beast, if you're going to try and compare what I did somewhere else to what I'm doing in a current situation, all you're going to do is detrimental to town, if you're town, you shoudl care about that and stop, if you're scum, keep it up and keep exposing yourself

[drealmerz7]

compare what you're seeing in "arms length interaction" with Nacho to how I was with everyone else on D2, and tell me the differences and why you think what you think is true in light of those "differences" if there are any

[drealmerz7]

"meta is garbage" is wayyyy too simplistic - obviously people have meta and obviously it is a point of analysis, when people say "meta is garbage" they don't realize the deeper intricacies of what meta means - it doesn't necessarily mean AI, and it doesn't mean it's an immalleable thing that can only be interpreted one way

I don't have much meta, a couple things are consistent for me, but they're NAI, my point in my comment is to inform townies of this so they don't make poor analysis when trying to read me - it's not me saying "meta is shit" it's me saying "don't base your analysis on meta because it's going to get you into trouble and not be helpful"

[drealmerz7]

my meta:

I get frustrated easily when faced with what I deem to be illogical arguments (totally NAI)

I make a lot of super-long posts with lots of thoughts, sometimes getting circular and fuzzy (again, totally NAI) - I'm sure most of you don't even recognize this as part of my meta because I've been not playing this way much because I haven't had the energy or focus - watch me get SR super-hardcore if whenever I go back to my default way of playing (pretty much only ever do WOTs up until the past few months)

[drealmerz7]

[quote="In post 5919, Andrius"]So here's my thing.
I think you're scum because you're not at all interested in lynching me./quote]
false

I'm totally interested in lynching you

you can't read my brainthoughts

[drealmerz7]

Drealmerz, I have actually repeatedly responded to you, repeatedly stated my case, repeatedly engaged why I don't feel your defense is valid.

but you haven't
just saying this doesn't make it true, man

[drealmerz7]

Seriously gerry + dreamz's attitude of "I don't give a fuck about the game lololol" "Oh holy you're gonna lynch me you're all fucking stupid how can people be this bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Yeah okay.

??? POSTS TO BACK UP YOUR POINT

THIS IS JUST BULLSHIT PULLED OUT OF YOUR ASS

[drealmerz7]

I do give a fuck about the game, I just know how to play and what my strengths are

repeating myself AGAIN

D1+D2 in a 17p is where my game is the weakest, at least when the Days go on as long as they did - it's not not caring about the game, it's caring about the game enough to not be reckless with my play

the perception of "oh I'm under pressure now I care" is inaccurate because it's in direct comparison to my minimal-posting - you're just trying to paint it to look a certain way because it's convenient to do so because I haven't been giving much to come at for scum

[drealmerz7]

"if only I can control these 6 people! it would be great!! c'mon, let me control you so I can control the whole game!!!" - SAD

[drealmerz7]

FB made a huge mistake giving you BP

like, wtf was he thinking giving it so early in the game?????? to someone so horribly anti-town, it makes no sense

SAD, you were hardcore obvi-town in mystic, solving the game and making good cases - here it's the complete opposite, can you try and explain?

[drealmerz7]

take your blocks and shove them up your asses, please

they're fucking horrible ways to play

[drealmerz7]

you either have the influence and good arguments and get votes backing you up, or you don't

contriving a block of vapid stances is a fucking joke and a shit thing to try and do if you're town

[drealmerz7]

Blocs are great, and you're only mad because you're going to get lynched.

nope

[drealmerz7]

PEdit: lol, drealmerz just tripping over himself to discredit anyone now. Dude, the vote isn't even on you right now. We're on Nos.

you see these words??? YOU NEED TO PROVIDE A POST AND DESCRIBE HOW YOU CAME TO THE THOUGHTS

THIS IS HOW YOU PLAY MAFIA, PINE, GET WITH IT, OR GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM ME

[drealmerz7]

you don't just say "oh this!!!!" pulled DIRECTLY OUT OF YOUR FUCKING STINKY ASS with no reasons

and expect it to go over, aside from those in your fanclub I guess

[drealmerz7]

I think this provides adequate defense of my earlier statement that you are only alive when your life is on the line.

no it doesn't because you're complete ignoring the other parts to my point

keep trying though!!!!

[drealmerz7]

let me take things out of context and paint them!!! it's the only thing I know how to do otherwise I can't have a cohesive thought that actually has any legitamcy to it DUHHDUDHDHDUDUYDSHDUHDHHHHHH

[drealmerz7]

it's complete scum-tactics

pick and choose what suits you painting your narrative

blatantly obvious scum-tactics

UNVOTE: gerryoat

[drealmerz7]

my wagon was stalled

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

wow, can you even see the horribleness of your thoughts or are you soooooo deep into your own pile of shit you have no clue how much what you're saying stinks?!

[drealmerz7]

ummm, nope

keep deluding yourself though, it seems to be what you enjoy!

[drealmerz7]

all 3 of your bias is so fucking obvious, I don't know how you expect it to hold any weight

you aren't trying to discuss, you aren't trying to understand, you aren't trying to see if you can work with me

you're just decided on pushing an agenda and pushing it

it's some super-shit play and it baffles me as to how it actually passes as play at all - that's what infuriates me on a regular basis, I can't understand how the average level of play is so fucking bad that it's not glariingly obvious when this is going on

[drealmerz7]

"we've got no case!!! but we're bullheaded enough and just keep pushing it, we might be able to get it through" - that is not good scum play, even if you're successful with it, it's like, again "we we just play soooooo horrible to a point where they can't sink to our level and beat us on the level!!" - nothing to be proud of and is disgusting

[drealmerz7]

Dreamz kinda similar but he actually has more redflags.

quote 1 thing you think is a red flag and explain why it is that to you

[drealmerz7]

Dreamz kinda similar but he actually has more redflags.

and quit calling me "dreamz" - seriously, stop, or I'm just going to start calling you STD

[drealmerz7]

oh so you don't know how to play, gotcha

[drealmerz7]

am out until someone who actually knows how to play wants to engage me

[drealmerz7]

You can call me whatever you want.

I called something_smart something_special for a whole game in defcon

so you enjoy being an asshole

got it

[drealmerz7]

"I like to be annoying because I think it's funny!!! mahahahahahaha I have no idea how to play in a cooperative team-based game, so I act like a jerk lololololololol"

[drealmerz7]

what an ego!!!! holy fuck

[drealmerz7]

I'll take that as (another) scumclaim too

VOTE: andrius

it was clearly either slysly or andrius as scum, especialy with the tammy flip as town

hopefully you all haven't lost sight of reality

[drealmerz7]

role-speccing! gee that's not scummy! *sarcasm*

[drealmerz7]

yeah the "townbloc" we had in PYP:doubledeck was a beautiful thing

it consisted of 2 scum and the #1 TR player in the game and everyone else was outside the block

was goodstuff, eh, gerry?

[drealmerz7]

no I don't...I only do that when I try to engage and people won't engage on a meaningful level

[drealmerz7]

except I didn't want to engage in mystic

and I made that clear

and yet you kept persisting - to me that is scummy "oh he wants left alone WELL I'MA KEEP GIONG AT HIM"

[drealmerz7]

dreal im pretty sure you've made at least one post lamenting how garbage this site is compared to where you come from in every game we've played the last couple months

well maybe people should get a fucking clue and step it up?

[drealmerz7]

I can't help it when I try to engage and I'm met with 'DUHH UDHDHHH I DON'T MAKE CASES'

[drealmerz7]

do you have a coherent understanding of why SAD or andrius SR me?

I certainly don't and I've tried repeatedly to get an understanding

[drealmerz7]

again, the calling of shit comes AFTER I TRY REPEATEDLY AND AM MET WITH SHIT PLAY

like, what else am I supposed to do, blow smoke up your ass "ohwow, I can't even argue against that it's such a gloriously made case, let me jsut selft vote I have no possible way to contend with such awesome play!!"

[drealmerz7]

I mean I've been engaging you in the hopes of actually getting you do be ALIVE besides defending your own lynch.
But that hasn't happened at all.
So now I'm campaigning full-stop to get you dead.

keep trying to delude everyone I guess? cause, you haven't

all you've done is pop up fallacy after fallacy

[drealmerz7]

btw that 2.14 lynch VC

pine is scum if you go by pure VCA (off a wagon he knows is going to flip scum, being voted by scum, on the alternative wagon he hopes to push in the future [me])

[drealmerz7]

*town

[drealmerz7]

"psssst, hey...I heard drealmer is easier to setup for mislynch if he's active and engaged...let's keep trying that!"
"pssst, okay!"

wow, look at that, more role-speccing fron=m obvi-scumslots!!! shouldn't be needed tomake cases, should be simply trying to figure out which one of you more people are wanting to lynch first!

[drealmerz7]

ohya mcmenno is a good lynch at this point too

[drealmerz7]

look, I really hate being the asshole telling ppl how shitty I think their play is, I really do

it's just so infuriating and baffling to me how it passes as play at all, I don't know what else to do

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I guess maybe when I find this happening I should just replace out??? like "oh, this isn't the type of game I'm looking for" and just check-out and let you all do wahtever it is you're doing and try again in another game and if it doesn't have what I'm looking for, keep doing that until I find some (what I consider) decent games?

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zach, the thing is, I see a decent amount of really good play around here

it's just not the average and even those who display it, don't display it with any consistency (again, SAD in mystic was an excellent player, I thought - here, I don't know what the fuck he's doing, I can only figure it that he's scum and his scum game is just bad - it's not meant to be an ego thing, it's meant to try and help me understand wtf I'm experiencing)

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it's not about "having it my way" and your categorization of such, and your lack of interest to actually seem to understand where I'm at, is scummy

[drealmerz7]

you haven't done shit, andrius, but, I'm sure your ego won't allow that reality to even enter consideration, so, whatever, keep deluding yourself!

[drealmerz7]

(does anyone actually have a memory? I did say I'd pick it up come D3-D4, as is per my usual comfort in a large theme)

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case in point! you remember points of irrelevance or obviousness that aren't even "remembers", just glaring "how could you forgets"

you don't remember anything of significance or intricacies of importance about how things went

that is scum-indication to me

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like the most important thing there is glossed over and devalued as to try to not draw attention or ACTUAL meaningful memories from:

you fought with Tammy - like a scumfuck from hell that made it obvious that either your or slysly were scum (or tammy maybe but that wasn't likely) - slysly is flipped town, you should be the next obvious lynch

[drealmerz7]

you don't remember anything of significance

This is sheer opinion since everything

I

deem important I remember.

that's nice but it doesn't matter what YOUOUUUU deem important to remember (I know, your ego has trouble registering this), it's about what is important for town in figuring out the game - showing what YOUUUU deem to be important to remember just indicates more that you don't have town's interests in mind at all, just your own fun and how you can get it

[drealmerz7]

wow

is that how you've convoluted in your mind?

scum!!!

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I see it more likely that scum-nacho was trying to get TR by town-tammy by appearing to mediate a TvT but in actuality he was the way he was because he was wary of it looking like what it really was, him trying to diffuse her persistence on his scum-buddy

[drealmerz7]

I miss tammy
I was looking forward to trying to have a game with her again, damnit, you scumbags

[drealmerz7]

@ dreal your VCA is shit

more accurately my explanation of my VCA is shit - it's hard for me to explain how I'm seeing what I'm seeing
I'm not always right (who is?), but my VCA is actually pretty good with frequency

mystic I was decent, I mean zito was obvi-scum, but, the VCA of infinity's wagon vs. my CW solidified that and exposed kagami and I was right on with it

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and I have numerous other instances that have my confidence in that ability pretty good - again, the issue is just explaining it to others

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like the most important thing there is glossed over and devalued as to try to not draw attention or ACTUAL meaningful memories from:

you fought with Tammy - like a scumfuck from hell that made it obvious that either your or slysly were scum (or tammy maybe but that wasn't likely) - slysly is flipped town, you should be the next obvious lynch

so just so i'm clear about this

your d1 and d2 play was admittedly garbage because you arent good in that setting

but you are still clinging to a d1 read?

whatsupwiththat.gif

no - let me try and give the full picture for better understanding:

My D1 and D2 play, if I try to participate a lot, often enough ends up being more detrimental than beneficial to town. This I would consider "not good play." It doesn't happen every game in D1 D2, but, I can (now, usually) tell if it is going to, at least beyond a point (it varies from game to game, but, in general, after about 7 days into D1+D2, I just start to lose coherence, not because I can't keep track, but because there's simply just too much on the table, it's a clutter, whereas before that point the clutter is easier to sort - it's pretty basic) not be good if I keep participating to the degree I'm inclined to.

while my D1+D2 play here (and D3 even because there wasn't much to it) wasn't great play, it was better for town than the alternative - I can definitely feel that me "sitting back" and observing more is better at this point for my analyzing the game than having been "in it". Yes, I understand how the game works. I know it makes it harder for others to read me and my associations. Too bad, because it's actually better anyway, and you don't need to have a fucking solid read on every single player by D2. In fact, if you do, you're deluding yourself. I was pro-town in removing myself from so much scrutiny, and I know this from my experience.

SO, no, that doesn't make my early evaluations bad, and I'd never "cling to a read" (well, not anymore, I've broken from that from some horrible tunneling instances that I learned the hard way from.) The read has built, been re-enforced, and is still a comfotrable read. It's not a read based solely on early play disregarding everything that has come since. I mean, I know you don't hold my ability to play high at all, but, c'mon...I'm not that bad at least!

you do notice I was TRing pine early game and now I'm not?

[drealmerz7]

way to kill the thread, EP!

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: pine

[drealmerz7]

Truth

[drealmerz7]

I like your 1.23 point more than any of your assertations with the VCA but will reflect on it more

seems naive in places (scum not voting in succession, and a couple points that leave your pool likely not very inaccurate)

[drealmerz7]

He looks so fucking bad I'm lynching this first then nos closing my eyes the whole way

this is not something you'd say as town

[drealmerz7]

oops meant to have ac omment there, damn twitchy finger

I was thinking taht sounded really bad, from maria, as well

[drealmerz7]

We really need to pick one of [dreal, Nos] and just go for it.

pedit: You're not trash.

what's your rush?

[drealmerz7]

We really need to pick one of [dreal, Nos] and just go for it.

pedit: You're not trash.

what's your rush?

like, D1, D2, you're happy and contributing a great deal to the overly-drawn-on Days of tons of WIFOM building and shit-spreading, when those are the Days to "just go for it" if you're going to "just go for it" at any point. D4, when we know there are likely multiple killing roles in the game now? This makes zero sense, unless you're scum.

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I like your 1.23 point more than any of your assertations with the VCA but will reflect on it more

seems naive in places (scum not voting in succession, and a couple points that leave your pool likely not very inaccurate)

thinking that three scum are unlikely to vote in a row isn't naive.

yes it is

[drealmerz7]

if I had to pick a team right now it'd be

maria, SAD, pine, andrius

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so are you saying that scum are likely to vote three in a row or...????

noooooo

what is the disconnect?

I said what I said

you assuming that scum wouldn't do that is naive

that is all I'm saying

[drealmerz7]

but it doesn't mean they wouldn't and it's not any foundation for an argument against them all being scum

if you just make that assumption, well, it's naive and could get you in to trouble more than be helpful, I think

[drealmerz7]

why do you think I'm scum, maria?

[drealmerz7]

wow, you have that many secure TRs to PoE me as scum on D4 in a 17p?

[drealmerz7]

any actual reasons to think I'm scum?

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and why do YOU think I'm scum?

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and why do YOU think I'm scum?

you weren't on the wagon for nacho.
i kind of feel that whole wagon was almost all town.
so u pushing someone else when a huge movement was going for nacho I see as being scum not know what to do.

I wasn't the only one pushing someone else and, so what I didn't have a SR on nacho, that doesn't make me scum

this weak argument kind of stinks coming from you, I expect more I guess

that wagon was almost all town? that makes zero sense, it was a "which scumbuds can hop fast on without looking suspicious" wagon - I wouldn't be surprised if 3 voted him in a row!!!!!!!!!!

me not knowing what to do as scum doesn't result in THAT sort of play either, and that you suggest I'd go to the PT and look fora advice...is a bit funny to me I guess because one of the last things I ever am in mafia is looking for advice from others when I'm scum

[drealmerz7]

I mean I'll bounce ideas and appreciate ideas, but, in a jam, the last thing I'm doing is going searching for help

[drealmerz7]

didn't I townclear myself by like page 15?
silly ppl

[drealmerz7]

she's trying to suss out her fake scum-read on me

[drealmerz7]

it's disconcerting that you're so entertained by such an obvious possibility, SAD

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So I went to the OP to look to see if people can BAH post or not.
(Answer is NO.)

When I found this:

- Scum cannot perform kill and use power on the same night.

May become relevant.
Also somewhat confirms the existence of a Non-Encyptor Scum PR.

^Townposting

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you can't be serious?

*how to get townread by pine: say obvious shit*

[drealmerz7]

that's not necessarily my interpretation of events but we will see

once EP is back from ??? (it's saturday there are no classes, maybe he's doing laundry all day???)

[drealmerz7]

I think zach's gotta go today

andrius, maria, pine are all possibilities but zach is what makes sense I think to lynch, unfortunately because I don't feel super comfortable about it but it

is

what makes sense - I had him as certain scum in 2 previous games and certain town in 2 previous games and was right all 4 times, I suppose I can't be right every time? (but mayb I am? ugh, I don't want to put my vote there yet that is for sure, will see how things unfold a bit)

if you want to do some horrible NK analyzing you could say scum!maria would kill FA with how things have been, but, bleh

don't blame you if you're town and you suspect me at this point but I've just had awful reads is all. I thought nos might flip jester. Scum's just been brutalized a bit this game.

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zach, you did silly to not be suspecting me because I'd be where you'd want to push today
you allied the wrong guy, I have no traction / no one listens to me :þ

even if I was hard TRing you right now and came out guns blazing 'OMG YOU'RE NOT TAKING ZACH DOWN' it wouldn't mean anything and it probably wouldn't even get the lynch turned on me at this point

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damn that response is towny

ugh

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I know you all love to hear about it

we are solid 4:1 ratio on my HS

17 would have 4 scum only 95% of the time, as would 18, 19, but there'd be likely SKs/vigs/PGOs too because we have those a lot

[drealmerz7]

seriously if you all don't want me to suck so bad we need faster D1 lynches

[drealmerz7]

he wouldn't do that as town pretty sure

desp. was right it was defeatedness

[drealmerz7]

zach, my tip is always just try to ignore that you're scum

forget about your PT and PM and play VT as hard as you can

[drealmerz7]

ohya, I shot SAD N3

[drealmerz7]

zach, dude...that hurts

I know you were frustrated by everything but that's not how to go down as town ):

I can go for andrius or maria today

[drealmerz7]

you know who really wants to know about vig. shots?

SCUM!

keep fishing, andy!

mcmenno, love the claim, hope it's true!

[drealmerz7]

I'm the detergent, btw (:

[drealmerz7]

SAD and gerry can die too

[drealmerz7]

SAD died last night, dreal.
Come on man.

:þ

[drealmerz7]

my scum meta:

kill townies

[drealmerz7]

one day, I will be believed!

p-edit: @maria well ya that too but shhhhhhhhhhhh

[drealmerz7]

andrius I kind of have a hard time believing you believe my scum game is "this good"

I told all there was to tell

[drealmerz7]

and sure, WIFOM, but, I fake-claimed vig in In Memory as scum just a couple weeks ago...not something I'd do again, especially how it came out here

[drealmerz7]

oh right, well, either way

just N3 or later 1-shot vig. - I had to wait until the laundry got going before my power got utilized, like detergent

really bummed I shot the BP, and for the record, I will always shoot a fake claimer, no matter how likely it is they're town doing it

[drealmerz7]

nah it's about surviving and instilling doubt at this point, if I were scum, pretty ballsy position I'd be in right now

but I'm just craptown this game

[drealmerz7]

/prepares to vote andrius

[drealmerz7]

I do try to read you individually in each game, andrius, and not base it on difference in playstyle (though I do find some how how you do town to be inherently scummy and think you do it to fortify your scumgame when you roll scum, and I have issues with that and that will never change I just try to make do and continue to read you as best as I can) / take the differences into account

I don't see myself getting perma-banned that's a bit overboard of a thought I think

in conclusion, I'm generally a hard read, and I wouldn't have it any other way most of the time - but you're on the right path to reading me now, as you're absolutely right on with the "The earlygame lull makes sense if he's town vig as he needed to survive to N3 in order to shoot."

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combine that with the slog and over-abundance of pages, and that's why I'm how I am in this game

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it's not that I'm totally against every claiming and obviously there's points in games where massclaiming is the move, you just seem a lot more ready to get to claims than I think is good for town, hence inherently scummy

I think it comes from not being able to trust townies to do the best for town? but you're working against that, not for it

you've got to learn to trust people to do what they think is in the best interest of town and THEN judge whether they're town or scum based on what they do

each player has their role and it is up to them to decide how to use it for the betterment of the team

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so I do think andrius could be scum, but it's not a strong position

I said that I was /preparing to vote andrius to see if anyone took him to L-1 assuming I'd then hammer

maria then voted andrius, and then unvoted him after some time - I think she likely was hoping for me to hammer him and when I didn't took herself off the wagon because if she's the last remaining scum all she has to do is try and "look good" and that is what I see her trying to do

VOTE: mariaR

[drealmerz7]

andrius stinks

[drealmerz7]

and that isn't a personal attack, that's a read