Mini 1877: Spyro the Dragon (Game Over)

[RagingSpammers]

Don't vote that guy ;~;
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Why is Massive town again?
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

cuz he isn't
VOTE: Massive
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

btw if you couldn't tell, me hammering RC was obviously a scum claim.
Like what else could it be? A town claim. There's no way I'm town!
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Hello its me, the 2nd head
-CK

[RagingSpammers]

Just here to spam and troll while ali solves the game
-CK

[RagingSpammers]

Scum.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

VOTE: Aella
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Were Sheila One-shot Commuter

Lol now look at this fakeclaim
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Vote them while we wait for lane to explain his massive read?

SirCakez gave me his tracker

Cakez could have tracked me.
Would that make me town?
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Vote them while we wait for lane to explain his massive read?

SirCakez gave me his tracker

Cakez could have tracked me.
Would that make me town?
-Ali

No, how would that make you town?

Exactly.
How does it make massive town?
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Oh you're a doc giver.
ooooooh.
Okay.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Waaaaaaaaat, I swear I saw 2 scum PRs do their thing in the scum PT!
Like ya know, actual actions.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Oh noes!
I musta slipped :O
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

I'm okay with that lynch pool Lane.
Except me.
I like me.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

hmm...
Isn't watching investigative?
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Personally I think NM is lieing about being 1-shot.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Oh no, Lane caught me!
What will I ever do?
I guess Lane is a scum!IC cuz he really wants to bus me.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

btw if you couldn't tell, me hammering RC was obviously a scum claim.
Like what else could it be? A town claim. There's no way I'm town!
-Ali

Waaaaaaaaat, I swear I saw 2 scum PRs do their thing in the scum PT!
Like ya know, actual actions.
-Ali

Like what are these besides actual scum claims for the laughs? I see no other reason to be saying this shit as town

They're traitor crumbs for my scumteam.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

If I had a dayvig, I would dayvig myself.
Twice
Ya know, since I'm a doublevoter.
Double the votes!
Double the me getting shot!
Am I rite?
Or Am I rite?
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

And Cakez townread me for some reason, LOL
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Massive what do you think of Aella?
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

wtf is this "read Alisae as Alisae" shit?
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Yo are we going to no lynch or are we just going to give scum!NM a win.
VOTE: Not_Mafia
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

I personally believe that scum is in RS, Ella, Flubber, massive in that because U. S. Americans are unable to do so because, uh, some people out there in our nation don't have maps and, uh, I believe that our education, like such as in South Africa and, uh, the Iraq, everywhere like such as, and I believe that they should—our education over here in the U. S. should help the U. S., uh, or, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq, and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future, for our children.

Like holy fucking cow look at these scumreads!

The lolhammer on aella, like this dude is completely scumreading potential mislynches besides Inf, who is my other potential scum candidate.

Not to mention is that Gin neighborhood really a town and town neighborhood? Cause I honestly think there has to be atleast 1 scum in that neighborhood.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Also I was about to make a case on why Lane was scum but he's dead so I can't do that anymore.
I mean I can, but I can't get him lynched.
Since ya know, he's dead.
Sorta hard to get a dead person lynched.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Cuz we actually need to get a scumfuck lynched for once who's name doesn't start with an R and ends with an agingSpammers because it's very clear that I'm lynchbait.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Calling yourself lynchbait does nothing for me.

Shucks dude!
Why else do you think I'm alive besides from "I'm scum."
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Hint: It's a scum rolecop.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

I wanna kill a scumfuck with fire!
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Burn! Burn! Burn!
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Wait.
So you think scum is N_M and Flubber.
Yet you roleblocked me?
THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE!
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

WAIT! NO IT DOESN'T!
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

I think scum is probably n_m + flubber

And I think the scumteam is you and RS, and this page has done nothing to change that.

Wait? We're supposed to do that?
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

You still haven't answered why lane was scum in your mind.

You're right I haven't.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

With someone giving out doctors like a pinata I wouldn't be surprised if scum had multiple 1-shot strongmen.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

I'm down for no lynch today and a nm lynch tomorrow. I think massive should tell us who has a doc

Wynaut just lynch NM today if you think he's scum? If anything scum will just kill Massive.

I rolecopped Leon, he's the role he said.

VOTE: RS

Why Leon and why not me?
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

What will a nk even tell us at this point.
Massive or Leon dies and we get just about no information.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

NM, I'm sorry your role pm is black, white, and red all over.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

You're a scum!roleblocker and you can also go today as well.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

But I want NM so...
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Vote Count 1.2

RagingSpammers [5] -

lane0168

,

MagnaofIllusion

, massive, Leonshade,

Elsa and Anna

I find it hard to believe that this is all town on town. I know I am town and I believe Leon is town.

Vote Count 1.3

massive [3] -

Ælla Was Spine

,

eagerSnake

,

TheRealGin-N-Tonic

RagingSpammers [4] -

lane0168

, massive, Leonshade,

Elsa and Anna

I find it hard to believe that these two competing wagons would both be all town on town.

VOTE: RagingSpammers

I find it hard to believe that people want my head on a platter.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Ali can you explain your scumread on me more?

PoE and how you treated Gin.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Hydraing with Cloudie was a mistake.

[RagingSpammers]

Cause I had a strong townread on him I couldn't explain and I was right? -_-

This reads as

I wanted my WK cred but never got it -_-

-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Whats an ongoing game?
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

No seriously, I actually have no idea what you're talking about. But if it involves ongoing games, that's bad. Don't talk about ongoing games.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

I have a theory about NM and Leon being the scumteam, and I feel really good about it.
Anyone wanna hear it out?
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Too bad, I'm talking about it anyways.
Why Leon is scum: Why does town need a GLOBAL Voyeur again? Like, I don't see why the GLOBAL part is needed at all. If anything it's scum!utlitly. Not to mention he's going after the easy mislynch, which is, well, me, and that's scummy becasue if I get mislynched, scum basicly wins the game.
Why NM is scum with Leon: For some reason he decided to confirm Leon > Me. It's easy to confirm your scumbuddy, right? Plus scum!NM could probably get away with it easily.
Also when I bring up the neighborhood arguement, Leon attacks me for it immediately. This is basicly a chainsaw defense. NM is likely to be the other Strongman that we're talking about.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Also, we're going to no lynch eventually so we might as well do it now...

I really don't see why we should when Massive is just going to die and we're going to get no infromation from massive's death.
I also don't see why when we can just lynch scum today and win, but hey, that's just my opinion.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

And this is enough to drop your scumread on me completely??

ffs ali. If you're town calm down, do some rereading, and come to a conclusion.

Yes.
And bruh this is litterally textbook Ali catching scum late game.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69849
Like I did in here.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Also, we're going to no lynch eventually so we might as well do it now...

I really don't see why we should when Massive is just going to die and we're going to get no infromation from massive's death.
I also don't see why when we can just lynch scum today and win, but hey, that's just my opinion.
-Ali

It doesn't. Matter. Whether. We. No lynch. Today or later on.

Also we don't win if we lynch scum today -_-

We win if we lynch both scum.
This is what I mean, you know this inf.
Now you're just argueing semantics.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=69420
In this game I recklessly selfvoted to try to bait scum!Kain Tepes into blitzing me AND I caught him but Trans sided against me for some reason, resulting in a scum win.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69936
In this game I make a lot of wording mistakes and things that just seem like scumslips but aren't. I also go wild on paranoia here.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=70216
In this game I recklessly help trans get blitz but take it back in time to catch the scumteam, and still get sided against me for some reason, resulting in a scum win.

I'm reckless and I don't care about my word choices and I don't care about playing safely, I live life on the edge and go fast based on impulse and instict.
I'm right when it comes to this late game stuff.
So can we fucking lynch 2 scum in a row ffs.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

And this is enough to drop your scumread on me completely??

ffs ali. If you're town calm down, do some rereading, and come to a conclusion.

Yes.
And bruh this is litterally textbook Ali catching scum late game.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69849
Like I did in here.
-Ali

Ok fine. Town needs the global part to catch people who are fakeclaiming. Scum!n_m targeted leon because he didn't want to clear anyone that was a top suspect.

WHY IS FLUBBER TOWN

For role madness it makes sense that Flub's is a town watcher because Massive gives docs to people, and there will be a lot of people doing stuff.
It would be hard for a watcher to know exactly who was the night kill. I think I can come up with a reason why Flub was hiding his 2nd result. Point is I see the watcher being moreso town then scum. A scum!Watcher would be shit when it comes to power against town. It would make the set up way to townsided. The Global Voyaer (I can't spell) is given to scum to attempt to fight the watcher.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Fine.
I'll no lynch.
VOTE: No Lynch
but if I get nightkilled because my reads were right, you better sheep them to no end.
And I swear to god if scum Leon and NM win because of this, I won't be a happy Ali.
Massive is gonna get NKed anyways.
/me pouts.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Inf the global voyeur is so that scum know what they are up against. With a Watcher they don't exactly know what they are up against.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Let's also remember that scum had a tracker as well Inf.
The voyeur is so that scum can know what they are up against, what to attempt to look for, and once they know what they're looking for and what the town has, they use the tracker to try to manipulate things.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Yes, you're right. A watcher knows who, but they don't know what PR specificly
Voyeur also knows what PRs, but doesn't know who they are.

Also, please don't give me that. Cakez could have easily decided to track scum, and/or send the results to one of their scumbuddies. If anything, the Tracker helps figure out the "who" part more then a Watcher. A Watcher AND an ammnesiac tracker on the same team just really does not make any sense at all to me.
The tracker helps find the Who.

Not to mention the Watcher doesn't tell scum the what part. It just tells them the who.

I really do think the amnesiac tracker and a watcher on the same team is just really unlikely.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Also a watcher for town can atleast catch scum.
A voyeur for town can't catch scum.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

With a Tracker you get a who
With a Voyeur you get a what.

With a Tracker you get a who
With a Watcher you get more whos.

Also Leon has been pretty towny so far. I mean, he's at mylo. So if Cakez did send a result to Leon, and Leon were to be flipped earlier, Cakez could just use "I thought he was towny" as a scapegoat. Is there something wrong with my thought process here or what?
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Town - RS, eager

Nulltown - Leon

, infinity, lane (I'm disregarding the IC claim for this read since it's unconfirmed and could be trolling, if it's legit then he's top town obv)

This is Cakez's stance on Leon by the end of the day 1 for clearification.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Well leon wasn't towny when cakez was alive. I guess the issue is that unless scum is "obvious town", it'd be suspicious to not target the IC or doc giver or vig.

I see your point here.
But let's put this set up in a world where Lane didn't reveal himself for no reason. Or just didn't reveal himself period D1.
Would you be suspicious if Cakez gave the result to Leon in this situation?
Also how was Cakez even supposed to know that massive was the doc giver D1?
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Also I litterally don't think Cloudie will shed a tear if I do this so I'ma just do it.

@MOD may I split the hydra?

-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

I can imagine a scenario where cakez could justify giving it to a scumbuddy

There you go!
Cakez can do it.
And it could be justified.
Done.

BTW

@MOD if it wasn't clear, the Alisae head would take over

-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

I still feel like it would be harder for scum to connect the dots on whos what.
But catching fakeclaims is a really pointless reason to try to justify the global.
Give me some more reasons on why town would need a global voyeur?
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

A global voyeur just to catch a fakeclaim is so situational it just seems pointless to me to include it in the town for that reason alone.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

It still really just doesn't make sense to me why it's town aligned. I see it being way more likely to be scum aligned.
Also you have to remember it was conditional, the condition being Spyro had to still be alive.
Why does town global voyuer need to have that condition on it?
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

If Scum was caught fakeclaimed they get lynched!
They're dealt with! Done! They die!
The conditional here makes more sense for scum because it makes scum think twice if they want to kill THE FUCKING VIG.

In TBD Mafia I was a Watcher and when we massclaimed I claimed and I got instantly lynched that day.
For some reason people think watcher claims are fake.
I really do not think that's the case here.
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Massive what do you think of my theory?
-Ali

[RagingSpammers]

Massive I approve the motion.
VOTE: Not_mafia
-Ali