Open 674: Duck Duck Goose [Game Over]

[Aubrey]

First!

Hi Kop

VOTE: Kop

[Aubrey]

VOTE: Aubrey

You burnt me once, you shall not do that again.

<3

[Aubrey]

It's the avatar.

[Aubrey]

Never mind, sorry. Aubrey's a guy. I assumed Aubrey was a girl because I've only heard the name as a girl's name.

It's a hard life.

Where's Aubrey? We must call her to solve the game

Hi. I'm at work. Don't expect much until like....tomorrow maybe.

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Fitz is pinging me on a quick, and I mean quick, skim. When I take a closer look at the game, i'll see if it is still there or not.

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I think you lack a lot of reading comprehension.

This is a bit harsh...and that's coming from me. LOL.

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Hapahauli is also pinging me similar to Fitz.

[Aubrey]

VOTE: Aubrey

Aubrey's giving the most scum impression so far.

Ugh when someone wants me to describe "impressions"

Okay, they aren't very serious, but when I vote in RVS, I vote whom I have a feeling that's most likely scum.

Where's Aubrey? We must call her to solve the game

So you have gut reads, but can't explain what posts led you to those reads, and you're now wishing for the help of your top scumread in solving the game? I'd figure you were just RVS voting Aubrey because you know him, but you've said twice that you have a reason for voting Aubrey.

I wouldn't read into this to seriously.

[Aubrey]

Just for clarification KidAmn. Are you happy with your vote because you're actually scum reading him, or because you are frustrated with his comments directed at you, and your lashing out? because at a quick glance your last line of text seems driven by frustration.

[Aubrey]

I get the feeling people are bugging out over a hot lot a nothing.

[Aubrey]

Okay. I've re-read with my full attention. Still think people are freaking out over some things that don't matter. OOO's lil shindig with Reels is kinda silly, but whatever. I don't see scum motive behind it, nor the need to freak out over it, thus I don't agree with KidAmn's issues with him. Seems to stem more from frustration to me, even though he said it didn't. On the flip side, I can see where Kid is coming from in thinking that everything between OOO, Reels, and I presume hapahauli is seeming unproductive in a way. If you can explain to me the scum motivation behind what OOO did with Reels, I'd be all ears.

I flip flop in trying to place Hapahauli. I liked he was pushing KidAmn, and questioning why people townread him, but I wasn't exactly swayed by his reasons for scumreading KidAmn either. I think that is why I was having those pings earlier at a glance.

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Havingfitz still pings me though. He seemed to be poking things with a stick just to poke things with a stick in my opinion. aka, trying to seem proactive by asking questions that don't exactly amount to much. I Kiiiiinda had a similar feeling towards Doom in the beginning, but much less so.

I don't understand Reels odd interest in Doom's scum ability. Nor do I care for his push on Creature.

UNVOTE: KOP
VOTE: HavingFitz

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Btw...

VOTE: Aubrey

You burnt me once, you shall not do that again.

I love the fact you are so sure I won't be able to burn you again. Did you role scum and know I can't burn you this time?

[Aubrey]

I mentioned not likening him at a glance, and after a deeper re-read I'm kinda like "Eh" with him.

[Aubrey]

I guess really what it boils down to with me, regarding Hap, is I question if scum would make a push as he did against Kid. It didn't really look planned or thought out. It wasn't a push that would really generate a wagon. It was kinda just odd thinking, that I think could stem from a townie overthinking things or saw something just weird and poked it with a stick. Eh.

[Aubrey]

I didn't read anything that was posted after OOO. Running late for work.

[Aubrey]

Aubrey do you tend to proof-read your posts before submitting them?

If you're being a lil butt, I'll politely ignore it for now.

To answer your question. No. Not when I'm town. I tend to just blast out whatever I'm thinking and move on.

[Aubrey]

If I say, "

I don't understand why person did X

" then that is your cue to explain why you did X. You don't need to be posed a question in order to be cued into explaining yourself.

[Aubrey]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=66650

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=69733

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Knock yourselves out.

[Aubrey]

Moogin. Hi. Hows your day?

You seem to be coasting by so far. It's a bit odd to watch.

[Aubrey]

Strike that. Forgot some of your posts after I looked at your ISO. Carry on.

[Aubrey]

Basically I ping you because you ping me. Okay.

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I don't think I need to address much here. Your couple of posts bothered me a tad when I skimmed, and when I re-read. Again, I read it as someone just poking things with a stick for the hell of it.

you: "

Let me explain RVS, and how someone picks somebody in RVS from my experience, as I'm the 3rd to jump onto a forming wagon

" me: Okay
you:

"Creature do you realy scumread him for a valid reason?"

me: probably not. If it is valid, it is probably weak as hell.
you:

"Creature will you explain there and boring?"

me: who cares if he is bored.
you:

"Are you asking premission, Doom, to ask a question?"

me: Clearly.

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If you're wanting some grand elaborate explanation on the second day of this game, you wont get one from me. Your first few posts didn't do much for me, and reminded me of times where I've been scum and asked pointless questions in order to seem townie.

[Aubrey]

Yes and no. I believe he subbed into a game where I died on the first night, and lost interest with the game shortly afterwards. I think I read a bit of what he was doing before I lost interest, but my memory of him is rather dim. Beyond the name, I can't tell you much about him.

[Aubrey]

I don't like your vote doom.

[Aubrey]

I like your vigor...

But on a quick skim, I don't think I like any of your votes actually. They seem like easy places I'd imagin scum voting. Your current vote is an absolute waste. Are you scooping out the town to see where a good wagon will form to vote on?

[Aubrey]

Waste

[Aubrey]

I wish you people not voting would vote. I don't care if your the type of person who doesn't like to vote until you feel reaaal good about someone before voting them. Put your vote on the scummiest person so far already.

[Aubrey]

Oh no! You've discovered my ultra secrete powerful scumbage plan!!! Bitch at the town to vote, and secure an early lynch right out the gate!!! Those oblivious townies would never have suspected that!! And I would have gotten away with it too if it hadn't been for that meddling Fredrick and his stupid dog.

[Aubrey]

Damn, now I want a Scooby Doo avatar.

[Aubrey]

LOL. Doom are you stalking people's previous games in order to get reads? If so d.e.d.i.c.a.t.i.o.n.

[Aubrey]

I'm liking you a bit more.

[Aubrey]

I think you meant to use creatures name.

[Aubrey]

Creature, why join a game you don't seem interested in?

[Aubrey]

Who do you like for town again?

[Aubrey]

Why Rels

[Aubrey]

I was hoping you'd have something from this game vs. meta alone. You meta'd me wrong, so I'm not going to consider his meta all that much here. Doom and OOO I'm fine with having town-leans for now.

I'm still kinda "Eh" with Fitz. I think Kop mentioned this (I think?), but why are you voting Fitz? I thought you said he was likely town for you.

Moogin needs to get their butt involved. Not being very memorable, isn't good in my eyes.

Kid needs to make re-showing too.

I'm watching Kop...

Fred. is just with me right now.

I don't know how I feel about this wagon on Fitz yet. by that I mean I don't know if I'm sensing resistance or not, But I also don't think it is building like wildfire either yet.

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There's some of my morning thoughts.

[Aubrey]

Creature while I appreciate minimalism, let's try and put a tiny bit more effort into engaging with me. I doozed off at the end of that game. All I remember is that he replaced into a damn good scum slot that nobody was scum reading ever.

You thought he was likely townie. Now your voting him. where was the flip in your brain to say "

F it ima vote him

".

[Aubrey]

Okay love. anything for you. How do you want to pass the time until Tuesday?

[Aubrey]

I haven't decided if I want to leave this one yet I'm afraid. See above. Any other wagon would just be me not liking them on gut or feeling alone. Then people would complain and moan and complain more.

anybody you don't like on feeling or gut alone?

[Aubrey]

Oh. Slysly is the guy with the avatar with the eyes and hand that peeks under the curtains. I was sitting here like, why in the hell does that name sound familiar. Never played with him, but I've seen the avatar around.

[Aubrey]

Look at that crap. You know I didn't buddy in our last game as scum.

[Aubrey]

And here I thought we would be besties this game Kop.

[Aubrey]

Look at that crap. You know I didn't buddy in our last game as scum.

Last game is a indicator, something I'd use in this game to monitor your gamestyle, but I won't use it as concrete evidence to say this game is the same.

[Aubrey]

Actually. Kop why did you single out Doom for voting Fitz and not Creature when they both said Fitz was town to them?

[Aubrey]

Ew. Using the same gif twice in one game. Now that is just boring. Where you gonna put that vote of yours?

[Aubrey]

you ppl scared to cast a vote are going to annoy me real quickly.

[Aubrey]

Kid can be a town lean for now.

[Aubrey]

Moogin! Hi again.

Vote?

[Aubrey]

Vote them if they are on your radar.

[Aubrey]

Otherwise engage with them.

They may have forgotten you.

[Aubrey]

I doubt scum will scour a wiki and a number of people's previous games in order to seem relevant. That is where my town lean stems from on Doom currently.

[Aubrey]

lol, fine Kid. Let's get on with it. Do you think I'm scum and was budding Creature as Kop suggested? If the answer is yes, bring it. If the answer is no, then move on and get over the meta crap.

[Aubrey]

I doubt scum will scour a wiki and a number of people's previous games in order to seem relevant. That is where my town lean stems from on Doom currently.

What if he's doing that because his last scum game went so poorly? I could be reading too much into it but it seems like he's trying very hard to be super town

You're not swaying me here.

[Aubrey]

I voted havingfitz because I haven't seen anybody do anything that makes me actually scumread them yet. I figured that if that's the case then the person who I know is hard for me to read is more likely to be scum.

Nuts, you're right. He is on V/LA. I must have been tired last night. I'll go through the thread yet another time and see if I can find someone to vote.

@MOD: Could you prod Allomancer, please?

KidAmn, when you post a gif but don't explain the faults in anyone's reasoning, it just comes across as passive-aggressive and unhelpful. Could you maybe explain your objections?

I don't like you. Then I like you. Then you say crap and that makes me go, "

What the hell.

" Vote for someone you are getting scummy vibes from. Not someone you are scared of.

[Aubrey]

lol, fine Kid. Let's get on with it. Do you think I'm scum and was budding Creature as Kop suggested? If the answer is yes, bring it. If the answer is no, then move on and get over the meta crap.

I don't have any massively strong feelings on you one way or the other - if pushed I'd lean town simply because scum could be coasting through this day very happily without doing much at all at this point, and you're doing quite the opposite. I just dislike the meta comments and wanted to make that clear in a sufficiently wavy manner, as I am reliably informed the kids say these days.

Cool. We understood your distaste for meta the first time. It will get old very quickly if you complain every single time someone uses meta though. Furthermore there is a correct way to use meta and a wrong way to use meta. That is a conversation for another time though, but long story short; one should use meta to guide oneself into watching someone, but not use it in a absolute manner what-so-ever.

Now Let me talk to you a little bit about my post, a post you called basically called a waste of time. 1. That post really wasn't a defense post against Kop's claim intended for you all to get some meaning out of exactly. It was directed at Kop, and Kop alone. 2. Kop and I just ended a game last week, in which I won as scum, while Kop was put into a Kingmaker decision at LYLO between myself and a good ol boy named Hawk. There was no clear answer in the finale, so Kop basically analyzed our plays pretty damn painfully. He probably knows my scum play better than anybody else right now (especially in this game), only for him to accuse me of something I didn't, nor do I really ever do, as scum? Naturally that is going to set off a warning alarm in my head, and Kop should know that based on my

waste

of a comment. <-- That was the intention behind that post. Kop is still pinging the shit outa me, but I can't articulate a strong case against him. That is due in part by meta probably, but I have yet to decide if he is a strong scum candidate. <-- remember me saying Meta should be used as a guide and not a absolute? For example, I don't remember him utilizing these short bursts of assaults at all. In fact, it comes across as if he is just shooting randomly to see if a fire will start somewhere. Again, it feels as if someone is scooping out a place to land their vote once a wagon is generated.

Now, please stop wasting my time complaining about meta in general (unless it has a valid point) and please start pushing ppl and locating scum as I'm attempting to do so.

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Pre edit: Doom, shut it. Unless of course you want to actually follow up on Kop's accusation against me.

[Aubrey]

Is fitz still the person you find most suspicious? I looked back to see who you last voted for Aubrey and it's still on fitz.

Most suspect? No. I don't know if I really have a

most

suspect right now. There are people I kinda don't like, and then there are people I kinda like. Then there are people I'm waiting to decide if I like. I don't have a reason to town read him right now either.

For instance I don't know if I like you or not.

[Aubrey]

Allomancer's got my vote whenever he shows up.

:-/

again.

I like your enthusiasm, but my god I hate your voting methods so far.

Too late. I've already had my say.

Meanie head.

[Aubrey]

Hang on, I think I've got a case.

VOTE: Kop

His posting tone seems bored and rather uncaring, which clashes strongly with his activity and content. I think he's scum trying to look town.

I think you're getting it confused with dry posting to be honest. His posts usually lacks strong emotion in them. <--- where meta is also useful.

[Aubrey]

No. I've basically said what was on my mind regarding him. For the record, just because people can seem town due to asking questions, doesn't mean they are. I'm usually one of the most town-read when I play scum due to my activity and analytics.

How about the reverse. Sell me on a town Kop since I'm somewhat skeptical of him.

That comment about buddying was meant in jest, from our little back and forth, I'm reading you as town, because your posts seem a bit more thought out and there is more frustration behind your words. In the game we just finished, you seemed more composed as scum.

It didn't read that way. Sadly, I'm still skeptical. With love. xoxoxo - Aubrey. Ps: The invition of LOL is a wonderful tool that should be utilized more.

On a serious note, why are you saying it was in jess now? I feel like it should have been understood it was in jess originally, or in the follow up comment when it was clear I wasn't taking it in jess.

[Aubrey]

If I say, "Kop is accusing me of crap I don't do as scum, when he knows my scum play, so alarms are going off in my head." Don't you think it would be smart for scum to possibly counter with reasons to town-read me that are opposite to how I play scum in order to cause me to doubt myself?

[Aubrey]

page 11

[Aubrey]

Basically, I wouldn't town-read him solely for town-reading me in short.

[Aubrey]

I think you are missing the forest due to the trees a bit. If you town-read him simply because he town-reads me, then I think you need to reconsider your read.

[Aubrey]

While we are having a conversation, anybody you wish to see pushed, or people you are suspicious of? No need to get super logical here.

[Aubrey]

I remain undecided and wary of Kop. Scum can easily townread me for the reasons he has provided, and in my eyes it is hardly AI.

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This game will seriously get a hell of a lot more interesting once some wagons form. As of right now, we are in a fog. That is in part because people are not voting or talking. Or they talk about voting and are to scared to actually commit. Personally I'm at the point where I think you, myself, and Doom need to take a step back from taking initiative, and force the rest of the town to actually begin stepping up to the plate. We've done our share of talking and hunting. Time for the others to do the same.

[Aubrey]

AND THEN THAT BUNDLE OF JOY WALKS IN THE DOOR.

[Aubrey]

LOL, now i'm budding.

[Aubrey]

I'd like to think Hapa and Fitz are not on the same team unless they are both town. The way he latched onto Fitz (by following my lead) makes me think he is either scum placing a vote on a easy town slot or town voting a scum slot / town slot.

[Aubrey]

@Creature.

[Aubrey]

Pretty sure creature gives the impression of "I don't give a shit" regardless of alignment.

[Aubrey]

Can someone give me the scum motive behind Moogin's reads retraction?

[Aubrey]

Hope everything gets sorted out.

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I'll squeee if Spade joins. Wouldn't that be something?

[Aubrey]

ewwwww, I forgot mafia have day talk. <----- not the biggest fan of day talk.

That's going to change up my thinking a bit, and makes OOO's psychic connection with Reels even sillier now.

[Aubrey]

From the general consensus, it seems we're narrowing down scum to likely being in the lower end of posting / activity. I seriously wouldn't be shocked if one (if not two) are fooling us by playing in an aggressive/active manner.

[Aubrey]

Personally, I'd just put Fred back to a null position and pretend he hasnt posted at all. Calling it scummy for him to replace out, due to not being in a good headspace, is something I find in bad taste and poor scum hunting. People can be going through a shit time, and make shitty posts. Be somewhat reasonable here, and fair, to the person coming into the slot.

[Aubrey]

Can you specify why you think they are town? Because if you have read through you'd have at least a few scum reads along with your town. It shouldn't take someone to prod you to find out where you are in terms of who you suspect.

Actually, I changed my mind on this. I think OoO might be town but I need them to make more concise posts because holy crap that giant wall? Why. Just why. I feel like rels might be piggybacking off OoO and relying on the fact that they know each other on another forum. Creature is a mystery to me still

I can't get this post out of my mind. I've already alluded to it. I think Moogin is town here. To give a town-read on OOO, and then retract the town read to a maybe, signifies to me that they are in a funky headspace (a headspace town usually is in) while trying to decipher who is town and scum to them. Of course now that I've said this I won't consider this as much should anybody else do it.

Welcome to the town lean of Aubrey Moogin. WHOO WHOO! Please keep hands and feet in the lean at all times. Failure to comply to the rules written in invisible ink will cause immediately scrutiny, distrust, and whose case scenario banishment. Enjoy your stay!

[Aubrey]

From the general consensus, it seems we're narrowing down scum to likely being in the lower end of posting / activity. I seriously wouldn't be shocked if one (if not two) are fooling us by playing in an aggressive/active manner.

At least i am narrowing scum down to who i think are scum. I don't care if they are lurkers or whatever. I don't care if people are V/LA or not, because that doesn't mean anything to their alignment and definitely is not a reason not to scumread anyone if you have a legitmate reason to do that. I find it super dumb to say you cannot scumread someone because they are not here (i know you're not really saying that, but i know that's what a lot of people seem to think here). I think scum are fitz, hapa, and Frederick. Everyone else looks more or less town to me. Fortunately fitz and hapa will be back in a day or so and Frederick will get replaced so they should be all posting soon.

Feel free to pressure doomfeathers or Kop though. I don't feel the need to defend them at this point even though i don't share people's scumreads on them. We've got more than a week left in the day phase so there is no hurry. Maybe i am wrong and you'll get something out of them. But i don't also feel the need to "pressure" my townreads over something i don't even believe in. That seems just dumb to me.

I'm not saying one should not suspect low activity players. If anything I'm just imploring caution to creating too strong of a town block that could turn into becoming blind later on. Also I doubt all the scum are just hiding back at this point. In fact, I find it very unlikely. aka: look at your scum list, and keep your reads open. I wish I could go into detail about what I think you are missing, but by doing so I would only tip off scum more than likely.

Moving on

I know your going to complain when I ask this, but why are you scum reading Frederick again? Because if memory serves me correctly, it was due to him missing content or something before posting? If he is going through a shitty time, it is understandable to think that maybe he isn't putting his all into the game, or is heavily distracted due to the shit. Hence the replace out. He seriously should be put back to a null position in your reads vs. scum read if that is the case. For example: If he lost his job, going through a rough patch with family, has depression issues, school is kicking his ass, etc. it is understandable for lousy town or scum play.

[Aubrey]

If that is all it takes to be scumread by ya'll then this will be an interesting game. How much experience do the two of you have out of curiosity?

[Aubrey]

My mindset is easy to understand. I can see a world where a town Fred missed a post. The fact you all don't consider that baffles me. I miss, forget, or misunderstand posts all the time. If he wanted to seem like relevant scum why not just regurgate things that are already being said vs. looking back into the game for something useless to talk about? He understands his head isn't in the best place and leaves. I'm not getting any AI vibes from it.

At least you recognize that it is by no means a slam dunk.

[Aubrey]

Pretty sure we are going to be coming at this game on completely different viewpoints.

[Aubrey]

Because he townreads me for playing differently than I played previously as scum. still in disagreement.

[Aubrey]

Holy crap that Fitz post. Half way through it, and i'm like:

[Aubrey]

i've liked skimmed everything and I'll do a re-read later, then comment. Maybe.

doom, Creature, since you're around do you know the answer to this ?

Does Frederick gets killed by host at some point if he doesn't get replaced ?

He will be replaced. Don't you worry.

[Aubrey]

Fuck me sideways. I'm starting to doubt Fitz.

[Aubrey]

This is the first game I've seen the anti wall of text thing mentioned, but given how many players have mentioned it so far, I'm thinking it could be a meta think I haven't been exposed to until now.

I don't think (though could be wrong) that "

big walls of text = scum

" is a very common thought process here. I for one don't gravitate towards that mindset. Younger Aubrey walled the shit outa his games as town.

Huge walls of text is kinda frowned upon though. Like the one Fitz posted. Like holy shit, condense your thoughts a bit. I shouldn't have to go through ALL OF THAT just to locate every little thing that he asked me, when you can just group all your thoughts on a player in one specific area of a post. That is where editing needs to be considered before posting.

[Aubrey]

I'm dealing with his novel as we speak. Then I'll do some re-reading on everything else cause i've still only skimmed it all quickly after work and before eating. I seriously doubt I'm going to get into detail about all the other stuff though tonight. I'm pretty damn wore out. I don't even remember your case off top my head. You, Reels, and OOO sometimes make my head swim and go .

I actually need to take a good look at you at some point in my life.

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I will say this

I town leaned Kid originally cause I actually liked his push on Creature. Not because I aggreed with it (cause I know creatures meta a bit), but rather because I liked how he was considering the read. I on the other hand don't care for the lack of posting or agitation he brings to the table at times. He however isn't my top concern, and someone who I think can maybe move into tomorrow's phase.

[Aubrey]

IM GOING IN!!!!!!!!

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126 - Annnnd hapa lays a vote on me in agreement w/ Aubrey's vote/suspicions towards me. Accusing my questions (there were 4) of being unproductive. WTF? I disagree. Trying to figure out why Creature had an initial scum read on Aubrey is not pointless. Asking if outoforder minds an abbreviated name and trying to better understand the TLM dynamic we have going on in this game is not pointless. Trying to understand wtf Creature was talking about is not pointless. All of these in the first 2 pages of the game. What hard hitting questions did you (or anyone) expect? What is pointless is Aubrey's "pinging" vote on me and your hopping aboard in agreement.

Spoiler:

We've been over this already. Your questing didn't read as super productive to me at a glance nor my reread. Those were questions I immediately thought, "

Holy shit this looks like questions I pose when I want to seem engaging as scum.

" Naturally I'm going to cringe and become suspicious right out the gate.

We were in the like first 24-48 hrs. Did you really expect Creature to have a decent scum read by then? Hell no! Followed up with pushing him to say

annnnythiiing

. Yuck Yuck. I'd totally do that as scum in a heartbeat to show "

I care about the town.

" Then those god forsaken eclipses to show hesitation. Just gave me that added to it.

I didn't care what site OOO was getting his RVS meta read from. I didn't see this as important intel to know. Early on, I think it was obvious the trio of them were friends from another site. Clearly he played with him before, knew his meta and would be able to produce a game to prove it, what else is there to know.

Creature talks about being bored or boring players "

There

". I Immediately didn't care about whatever he was talking about, but guess who pops right up instantly to inquire about his vagueness. You! Like the game had JUST started. Who cares if he is bored and is referencing the game. Who cares if he is bored referencing another game. It didn't matter. Completely didn't matter at all, and the intel wouldn't really matter.

Then you ask the most obvious question to Doom. Post 51. We can all see Doom is in fact asking permission to push a topic later. You said later you had reasons for asking the question, but clearly that "reasoning" should have been included in the original post and not needed to be explained to everyone. I doubt even Doom knew what you were implying.

All of this reeked to me as scum

trying to seem

interested and protown. I wasn't expecting hard hitting questions, but I sure as hell didn't expecting constant pointless questions imo either. Had you just asked Creature to expand on his thoughts regarding myself, I may have just waved it off.

131 - Pointless question example. OoO must be scum. /sarcasm

GOODIE!!! You found 1. Push it till the rope is around his neck! This is exactly the sort of content that makes me doubt you're scum. /sarcasm. At least this question can give him some idea of what to expect from me, which is something to begin working with for himself.

Doom's reading people's wiki's looking for stuff. That's townish IMO.

Look at chu basically agreeing with your scum read (me). Memory serves you'll bitch about his voting later too (just like me) in this post.

203 - Is this a helpful question Aubrey?

LMAO. STREEEEEEEEEEEETCH IT DUDE. Clearly I'm being purposely silly before getting into my serious accusation that is later retracted (though at the time I still felt as if it had some relevance since she wasn't being too active at that time even though I retracted it).

Like seriously. What in the hell were you hoping to gain with this point Fitz? This just reads as someone who is offended, and just looking for any little thing to try and throw back in someone's face.

So you don't feel able to give a "grand elaborate explanation" of your suspicions towards me at this early stage of the game yet you are willing to place and park your vote on me for asking proactive questions at an even earlier stage of the game. Fact is you keep asserting my questions were pointless and they clearly are not. Especially for such an early point in the game.

I feel as if I've already addressed most of this. Mostly your "

Proactive

" questioning.

No, at the time I didn't feel like giving you some grand explanation because it would have been that long ass explanation above. I see my condensed version was to no avail. Hapa illustrated it after I attempted to even better anyways.

Any who, Yes I was willing to park myself where I was. My feelings/thoughts hadn't left regarding you, and you were no where to be seen until recently. I didn't see much point in unvoting due to that. I was actually shocked that your wagon remained relatively light in votes overall. This is one of the reasons I was pushing so hard for voting in general. Had your "

wagon

" built like wildfire with votes, I would have been off it in a absolute second.

But it didn't happen

, nor has it really. You seemed to me a good spot for scum to possibly anchor and magnetize onto if you were town, and I was hoping (if not kinda expecting) a wildfire moment in order to have a movement to process.

261 - @Aubrey, this post comes off as non-committal scum.

I addressed this above. Holy shit I'm tired. Don't you ever make a post like this again Fitz. Condense your thoughts or organize your thoughts. Combing through this in order to quote properly is the biggest pain in the arse. I'll straight up ignore engaging with you if I have to do this again.

331 - Aubrey one of the most town read players in games he is scum. Self meta. Seems to be the case in this game iirc.

I'm usually universally townread regardless of alignment it seems imo. By all means. comb through my scum games I posted, and you can go through my other games via the topics on my profile and see some of my town games there.

lastly, this point just seems to be another poor attempt to put any sort of dirt on me as possible. This is about as strong as you bringing up my silly question without regard to the context that followed it. You're basically saying: "

Omg you say you are townread as scum, well what are you being read as here. HEH! Got you sucker

" Please. You just seem out for blood at this point in my eyes.

334 - @Aubrey...

if you were town...how would scum ever be able to cause you to doubt yourself? You'd know your alignment! It's when scum cause the players who aren't you to doubt you that you have problems.

@Aubrey...you keep pressing individuals to get their votes in play.

Have you pressed OoO to vote yet?

I get this feeling a communication error or something occurred with part 1. Scum can make town doubt themselves. Example: Scum learns a particular townie finds X scummy while doing X a bit themselves (lets say lurking), so that scum decides to start doing the opposite of what the townie expects to be scummy later on. The scum has now made the townie possibly doubt their initial read on the slot."

Part 2: I pressed the whole general audience to vote. As players would begin posting (especially players with lower amounts of content) I would press them for a vote. See why in detail above as I've already explained. OOO has already made it clear that he is going to be the biggest annoyance of my life in placing a vote more than likely also.

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WHOO. Done with that post.

To go into quick detail about my Fitz doubts, I doubted my Fitz read for a moment because I thought it more likely for scum to just townread me like the majority of everyone else while trying to persuade me to move my vote off of them vs. actually trying to throw dirt on me. I'm still kinda like "eh" but I'm tired as shit now. I'll Deal with that and everything else another time. Gonna take a warm ass bath, and go to bed.

I'll do something with my vote later, if anything at all.

[Aubrey]

Fuck me sideways. I'm starting to doubt Fitz.

You're voting him. Are you just now starting to scumread him, or are you starting to doubt your scumread on him? Either way, why?

Doom. Clearly I'm saying I had a moment in doubting my scum read on him. Read the post above.

ZZZzzz

[Aubrey]

In reflection, I can see where the confusion could come from Doom. My apologies if I sounded sharp. Now I'm officially out.

[Aubrey]

You misunderstand me Kop. I'm personally aware of the difference between my town and scum play. You noticing it however doesn't make me think you are town alone though. I don't see it as AI exactly. That is why I disagree with the town lean given to you, because that is what OOO is baseing it on.

[Aubrey]

I'm willing to relent on the whole buddying back and forth we had. You said it was in jess, and I didn't feel like it was, but I think your comment with "no" and the angel emoji is where I should have registered it.

I'm still not satisfied with your play. Excited for that catch up.

[Aubrey]

quick lunch skim. Thought I'd address this quickly.

Can anyone else confirm that Aubrey tends to be widely townread regardless of alignment? If so, it would seem that the best method of reading him is PoE.

Usually I feel as if I'm pretty much townread regardless of alignment, however that is usually in games where I come in as a unknown player for reasons that I'm not going to go any deeper into. I'm just getting to the point where I'm playing with repeat people. All this being said, who gives a damn? Stop being so worried and concerned about meta and how good/capable someone is, and actually look at what they are saying and doing to come to some sort of conclusion about their alignment.

To be frank you're starting to annoy me now with how concerned you are about meta/capabilites. First Fitz, and only voting him due to being scared of being unable to read him. Now you're starting to get that way with me in having to maybe use poe. Like sheesh. Either go look at my scum and town games and cross reference them, or actually look at what I'm doing this game and decide if it comes from town or scum perspective.

The only thing that keeps you in a town-lean in my eyes is what I mentioned in the Fitz retort.

[Aubrey]

I remember you voting him cause you couldn't read him at all, and he could fool you regardless of alignment.

[Aubrey]

Also, I don't think people realize just how damning the evidence is against KidAmn.

KidAmn doesn't give a shit about voting someone for non alignment indicative reasons, and that's a glaring mafia trait. It does not make sense from a town perspective to:
a) Point out reasons why someone could be mafia and anti-town.
b) Call those same reasons non-alignment indicative
c) Vote a player based on those very non-alignment indicative reasons.

Townies want to lynch mafia. Mafia want to make excuses to lynch townies. KidAmn clearly falls in the latter category here.

I remember him attempting to push Creature at one point. He basically said, "

your doing X which is scummy, but it could also be your play style

." Then I guess he said something along the lines of he'd be willing to vote him or something. Whatever. What was important that caught my eye here was; if he were scum wanting to push an easy slot, then why would he even remotely weaken his own argument against creature? I'd push that shit hard (ignoring his meta) and just keep bitching about how it isnt all that proactive for town blah blah blah.

I think he is town, who didn't know where to really put his vote at the time, and was just talking out loud. I also think you are exploiting an easy push here. Whether this is scum or townie blinded by his own head I have yet to discern (and honestly I still need to take a deeper re-read of what all was talked about yesterday and your case). I do know if you are still alive and both Fitz and Kid end up dead as town, You're going to be a solid number 1 target of interest for me.

Just blasting out my thoughts.

[Aubrey]

I'm pretty Null on Aubrey but I'm leaning more town than scum.

WAIT A MOMENT, AND SHUT THE FRONT DOOR.

what happened to that 99.5 percent sure my lovely booty is town good sir?

I DEMAND AN ANSWER.
I DEMAND SATISFACTION.
I DEMAND MORE LOVING THAN WHAT YOU ARE GIVING ME.



Or so lord hep me I'll go bat shit crazy on yo ass.

VOTE: Hawk

[Aubrey]

Why the hell did you town-read me in the first place? For someone who doesn't like meta, nor thinks meta is AI, it wouldn't make sense to townread me....without comparing my play in this game vs. our previous game in which I was scum. aka meta.

[Aubrey]

someone got some Xplain'n to dooooooooooo

[Aubrey]

Creature. That vote. ugh. Such an easy place TO BE PARKED. CAUSE IT WON'T BITE YOUR ASS FOR VOTING IT.

[Aubrey]

Or maybe it will.

What's Cracking Cass. Let's be besties. Besties do everything together. Like revenge plots. Let me tell you bout this boy named Hawk.

[Aubrey]

Well that sure killed the funny over dramatic story I had planed out. You're no longer of any interest to me. Your slot isn't much to talk about either. It'll be more interesting once you get caught up and engage with the town. ps "

bestie

" you might consider catching up faster than slower.

[Aubrey]

Jovial attitude that is greeted with cold attitude gets a colder attitude in return, and the game gets serious from there. "

Bestie

" is to make that point clear that from now on we are in game mode, and not introduction funzies mode. You're no longer of any interest to me cause you only have half the game's knowledge under your belt. Until you are fully caught up, there is little point in further engagement with you as far as I'm concerned.

The last part is my final gesture of kindness towards your entrance into the game. Your slot is bleeding, and your surrounded by sharks that already don't like you. The longer you take to actually get your slot up and moving, the more you will bleed and incite the sharks.

Enjoy and welcome to the game.

[Aubrey]

By all means explain how it was disjointed. Pretty sure my dots were connected. Furthermore I Lovvvve how Hapa is completly fine in your books, yet I'm still scum. Unless you forgot, he had the exact same thoughts as I did, and in a perfect world should still be receiving your suspicions.

[Aubrey]

wait, your voting him. My bad.

[Aubrey]

All I keep hearing from you is whining about me, so please forgive me on forgetting that.

[Aubrey]

Answer the first part of that post Fitz, and tell me how it would make u feel if I were to say that the only reason why I think you scumread me is due to the fact I initiated suspicion onto your slot and your just out for blood due to that.

[Aubrey]

You also never remotely mentioned my retort. It's been nicely swept under the rug.

[Aubrey]

Kop. I'm just whelmed by you. Not over. Not under. Vote please? Pretty please? With a cherry on top?

[Aubrey]

I hear it as whine'n and incredibly weak suspicions. This must be how you felt.

pretty damn sure I'm right and your just being hardheaded.

Nope. That post is a great illustration of why I feel the way I do about you, and I think your ignoring it because you don't want to address it unless you have to. Not in a scummy way, but just a hard headed way. You really stretched that one point, dude. It's easier to ignore it, and keep your original opinions, and not have to answer to the fact that some of your off handed comments were even weaker than your original suspicions.

Isn't most of your scumreads those who questioned your early game, and voted you? If you ask me there is a lot to take away from you when you say omgus be damned. It says to me you dislike anybody who votes you, and you just want to push them because, "

how dare they suspect me. It totally can't come from a town mindset

." It's not that credible when you have that outlook. Not for me anyway.

Still waiting for your disjointed explaintion btw.

[Aubrey]

^ @fitz

[Aubrey]

Both you and Kop suck at joking. I thought you were being serious when you said 99.5% town reading me. Then you go and say out of nowhere I'm null to slight townlean. My instant thought process was, "

What the fuck? This dude went from super strong town reading me to having me in a null position without even engaging me at all. A read change like that would warrant some form of engagement

."

UNVOTE: Hawk I do remember now the 99.5% joke from last game, so it is valid.

I'll reread later tonight or tomorrow, and figure out where my vote will go. I'd revote Fitz, but something in me just thinks he is a butt hurt townie...

[Aubrey]

Telling me to "

go fuckmyself

" is unnecessary and rude. Please reframe from lashing out in such a way, because it is that type of behavior that will quickly make this game unbearable and not worth my time.

[Aubrey]

I've quickly re-read your case. Eh. I'm still feeling what I said earlier about him, and I'm fine with him moving onto tomorrow. That being said, he really should get off his booty and become more of a public figure instead just hanging out in the back.

If he and fitz die as town, and you're still alive, It'll make me wonder if you were not scum pushing easy slots early on when you needed to become relatively active after you buddies basically said "

yea his town game is super active and analytica

l".

Let's get real. Day 1's are usually shit and town gets lynched. Mostly because people come at this game looking for some super logical explanation. Town do stupid ass shit, and get themselves lynched all the time. THAT is how scum really survive. Make a few good plays, fake some concern here and there, and let the town destroy itself. So excuse me if I'm not sold on the most obvious and logical explanation to why someone could be scum when in fact it could be a townie just not playing as strong to his win condition as he should. Happens more often than not surprisingly.

[Aubrey]

To be blunt, I wouldn't shed a tear if Creature got lynched as of right now. the lurking is bad for town. The disinterest is bad for town. His attempts at figuring out the game aren't that great imo. It's just a boring slot. Glad he likes me, but...get a grip and actually care dude. Both he and Kop are just enigmas to me.

[Aubrey]

Hapa is at L3. Kop is at L4. I don't have one in particluar I care more for. Unless something interesting happens, I think these are our two lynch candidates.

VOTE: kop

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Pre edit: I'll give you the rundown of my votes. I originally voted fitz. His opening reminded me of scum trying to seem protown by asking un-important questions. Shortly after he went in VLA. I was unsatisfied and remained on my vote while contributing to the town with my thoughts. Upon his arrival he made a very long and unimpressive attack on me imo. For reasons that I've mentioned I started to doubt my read a bit. I'm still "eh" with him, but I'm in doubt now. Figure I'll wait, and see how he progresses. My next vote was on Hawk. Ultimately it was due to a miscommunication error more than likely. Now my vote is where you see it.

This rundown is only in regards to my votes and not my full set of thoughts and reads. As you finish reading the thread, those will become clear to you.

[Aubrey]

Let's get real. Day 1's are usually shit and town gets lynched. Mostly because people come at this game looking for some super logical explanation.

Huh. I have no idea what else to look for. Could you give me some idea?

#AubreyRambles #GameMechanicsTalk&Theory #it's1am

Do you seriously think this game is

only

about black and white logical analysis and who can out argue who? This mentality is in part how I won my last game as scum. A majority of the town looked horrible, and basically lynched itself due to inactivity, and arguably due to believing the most logical answers provided sometimes. I was able to basically build myself one hella good piece of impenetrable armor, and secured a win in the end. Now it wasn't a stroll in the park by no means. Finale, i was PRAYINGGGG for Kop (a claimed power-role) to lynch Hawk over me (and he did). Afterwards, He wished he'd listened to his heart instead of his head. However up until finale, nobody suspected me really and I was logically sound. I think only 2 people suspected me, and one of them was dead by the time they really were doing so. Hawk was absolutely shocked I was scum, and Kop had no obvious choice to pick from in the finale.

Feel free to chime in here Hawk and Kop.

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Now don't get me wrong. Logical analysis and the ability to drive your point is key and important, but there is more to this game than just that. Often good scum will look like the most town read person logically, and all you're doing is missing a small detail/behavior that would point back to a scum mind set. Should you find that detail, then you have to figure out how to sway the town to go against that almost impenetrable armor or sword of logic. Sometimes there won't be a clear answer, and you just have to hope your suspicions led you to the correct conclusion. vise versa, sometimes the most logical answer is the absolute best answer. a game with some many possible variables is hard to approach in just one way. at some point you just have to figure out what you think makes someone scum or town.

One of the hardest things to understand is sometimes, if not usually, Town will appear logically a lot worse than scum will. Considering all the above and that nugget of info, you really gotta start thinking about things beyond just black and white logic. I hope that helps.

[Aubrey]

I doubt Hapa's personal goal is to get lynched. To whoever suggested that.

[Aubrey]

Damn I'm behind and have some re-reading to do.

I'll be caught up by today or tomorrow, and try and voice something. Kinda busy and sick-ish.

[Aubrey]

Like I said, I don't really give a damn about this game, it's more about the three amigos having a circlejerk and apparently someone else backing off means I don't get to have a case so fuck it, do whatever.

I don't know the context behind this post, but I doubt knowing it would change my negative reaction to it.

[Aubrey]

Holy fuck this is a lot to process.

[Aubrey]

No. I'm just trying to catchup. between the snot rags and trying to just wrap my head around everything, it is just ugh.

[Aubrey]

Why am I number 1?

[Aubrey]

Spoiler: Ketchup

I'm beginning my catch up and re-read now, starting on page 25.

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the below quote is in reference to Doom's Kop vote in post 613

thats thin reasoning

1 act (even if it is a consistent one) is not enough to lynchvote someone. pressurevote, ok. but. but, town could easily be in a state where theyre uneasy throwing votes around in case scum push the wagon home on a ML and theyre not confident enough to single out a read and say "this is the one". among other things

im not defending the slot, im saying your vote has poor justification. you should remedy that and build a better case imo... although kop's slot has pretty small amounts of meaningful content to read, so it might not be possible

The fact that Kop has so little of meaningful content is what is surprising to me personally. While he wasn't the most active per say in my previous run-in with him, I don't recall him being quite this laid back. I also don't like the feeling of him just defending himself rather than building or enhancing cases as well. Doom later uses the term coasting, which I agree with. I had higher expectations from him...

I think I've ben mislynched twice in all the years I've played this game. Rels and OoO haven't mislynched me ever in particular, and barely anyone actually has.

Sweet glory. On one hand, he just implied that, if he's getting lynched, he's probably scum. On the other hand, would scum be so careless as to say that, since they tend to be worried more than townies about how they're perceived. Anyone have thoughts on this?

*Resists urge to hit you upside the head*

If they have been mislynched before as town, then it is fair to say they can be mislynched again as town. This isn't something somebody should heavily read on.

Kop is coasting and hasn't placed a vote outside of RVS. It feels really off to me especially with all his rebuttals being dismissive and not pushing towards scumhunting himself. This compounded with the fact that his one actual push back against Doom earlier didn't follow up with a vote anywhere really irks me.

^

hapahauli isn't showing his potential.

I've been reading through

Kop's

filter.

I understand why people think he's scummy, and I had my own reasons for suspecting him as well. But I have two huge misgivings about his lynch:
1) Literally everyone thinks that he's suspicious. There isn't any resistance, even from people on my wagon. Mafia decided to bus him from the beginning of the game and provide no resistance? I doubt it.
2) What's his agenda? He isn't pushing anything period. There's no survival instinct. He could be pushing me pretty damn easy, but he's not. And even if you think we're both mafia, you think he'd be pushing literally any alternative to his lynch.

My feeling is that me vs. Kop is TvT, and scum are lulzing picking sides. Hence I'd rather be lynching people on the wagons rather than the wagons themselves.

...Either both Kop and Hapa are town, or one is scum in my opinion. Something tells me they aren't both scum. Hapa could easily have just pushed Kop for Distance and self preservation here, but didnt.

1. If everybody thought my buddy was scummy; either I'd keep my mouth shut and null him, or slightly scum lean them myself and vote else-where if possible. Furthermore, he hasn't been a solo leading wagon at all that I remember. (please correct me if wrong) that indicates resistance to me.

2. The bit about no survival instinct does make some sense, but he only had 2 votes on him when he last commented at this point in the game. That is not immediate danger, even if people are suspicious about the slot. I hesitate to eliminate all my suspicions. Your point is noted though.

Hapa showed no emotion early when he was pressured by rayn; and again now he's defending himself A LOT, but in the bad sense of the way. Pushing the "EVERYBODY SCUMREADS ME FOR NO R4EASON" without showing he's pissed

Hapa read robotic to me for a bit in the beginning of the game, but this mid point of Day 1 he seems pissed to me. Getting pissed is NAI, but it does lead me down the path of believing that it is not his goal to get lynched at all. All that talk about him planning his D1 lynch, and having his scum bus him, is out the door. Should he be scum, and scum are bussing him, he isn't planning it behind the scenes. It would be happening organically. Or he is town fighting for his life.

And of course any emotions and frustrations I show now are invalid because Rels already called out how "emotionless" my posting is.

You were seeming pissed earlier than that in my eyes.

hapahauli isn't showing his potential.

I've been reading through

Kop's

filter.

I understand why people think he's scummy, and I had my own reasons for suspecting him as well. But I have two huge misgivings about his lynch:
1) Literally everyone thinks that he's suspicious. There isn't any resistance, even from people on my wagon. Mafia decided to bus him from the beginning of the game and provide no resistance? I doubt it.

That doesn't make sense. Scum are likely to suspect a scummy partner while pushing for another lynch. It's the most usual answer. So in this situatoin where yuo're town, scum are suspecting him and pushing yuo. That doesnt' make him town at all.

2) What's his agenda? He isn't pushing anything period. There's no survival instinct. He could be pushing me pretty damn easy, but he's not. And even if you think we're both mafia, you think he'd be pushing literally any alternative to his lynch.

My feeling is that me vs. Kop is TvT, and scum are lulzing picking sides. Hence I'd rather be lynching people on the wagons rather than the wagons themselves.

You're wrong. He tried to do stuff. It wasn't convincing.

^ basically my thoughts again on the matter in another persons words.

KidDamn
Kop ?
Woonjin ?
Is what I imagine is the team

I seriously cannot believe that the whole scumteam are the 3 most inactive players. 1...maybe 2...that is more likely. All three? I'd bet money not.

Just one? I pick Aubrey, then. (Not that he's most likely to be scum, but that he's the most likely to both be scum and successfully pocket me.)

You've never played with me as scum...I doubt you've read the entirety of my two scum games...Where is this coming from?

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I don't think Cass's question is applicable to me regarding pocketing. You can townread me, but if you do something that bothers me I'll come after you. I'm not swayed by those who town-read me. there are people who I'm naturally wary of though.

VOTE: Rels

This is not the vote I was expecting Kop... Why Rels??

You say between Hapa Doom and Rels. Why Rels over the other two? Give me some cases here.

^ Echo.

when Rels says stop OMGUSing and hunt and Hapa stops and like things kinda cool off it makes me pause... like... what was that... if Hapa is really town was that an attempt to pocket further? If Hapa is scum and I'm wrong does that make Rels scum? idk...

Regarding this idea of Town Hapa and Scum Rels: Why pocket a player that is kinda looking like a dead man walking?

Like I said, I don't really give a damn about this game, it's more about the three amigos having a circlejerk and apparently someone else backing off means I don't get to have a case so fuck it, do whatever.

Yeaaa. This is just a bad attitude in general. The way you're approaching this game currently doesn't make me care for your spot looking at it through a sportsmanship lens alone.

Why am I number 1?

Because you're the first in the playerlist, so the mod made your slot the slot number 01

Apologies. I saw a string of posts when I previewed and only took in "Scumpool" "01.Aubrey"

Kinda had a "

the hell I do

" moment

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Quick dumb question that I can't wrap my mind around. Why would Scum!Hapa remotely defend the counterwagon on him (Kop) way back when? If I'm scum getting my ass handed to me it seems by the town, THE LAST THING i'm going to do is remotely defend any wagon that could possibly save my life.

Kop's Rels vote has me conflicted in a way that I can't even describe. I'm kinda all fucked up in the head right now with where I stand.

[Aubrey]

Nothing super strong. I remember you saying you're getting pings from them, but I didn't see anything damning. I'm not exactly looking very hard though since I don't feel as if they have a complete nor full general grasp of what's going on yet being at page 20.

[Aubrey]

I'm feeling like scum with daytalk is pro-town.

As in scum are likely to be acting in a fashion that we consider to be pro town vs. hanging back doing little?? or their day talk is screwing them over for the town's benefit? I don't get what you mean in this one liner.

[Aubrey]

I haven't fully caught up reading (at Fitz post) but I don't understand why people are giving BV such shit. He sees people saying X person is most scummy to them, yet not voting them. Completely fine with him questioning this line of thinking. If I think I've found the most likely person to be scum, I tend to lynch that first over anyone else.

[Aubrey]

You're probably expecting more from me than what you're going to get today. It's day one. I'm in the headspace that as long as a null or scum-lean gets lynched, I'm happy. If people start trying to direct wagons on people that I feel are likely town, then that's another story and I'll be rather proactive against it. Normally I am a bit more vocal and forceful in my reads, even with the headspace that I go about day 1. However to be frank, I'm kinda detached from this game a bit. More than normal. That being said, I don't think it is bad enough to replace out just yet and I'm invested enough to continue commenting with my general thoughts.

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I currently don't have significant town reads on either slot right now regarding Hapa or Rels. I do however find it silly to think Rels is scum based on association of Scum!Hapa without lynching Hapa first. Should you be wrong on Hapa's alignment, then your read on Rels can also easily be wrong. This idea of being 100% correct on a read (Hapa) makes me laugh, and the idea of lynching someone other than your strongest scum read (only to go back to that same read tomorrow regardless of the Day 1 flip) makes me laugh harder. I'm not in support of a Rels lynch, over a Hapa lynch, if the reasoning is mostly based on association with a scum!Hapa (which is what it seems to be). Those who think otherwise worry me. Especially when they keep Hapa open to lynch, but highly prefer and support the Rels lynch on association with Hapa. I'd rather see these two wagons pushed for independent reasons rather than associative reasons pre flip. To prefer the Rels lynch is just to me personally.

I flip flop with Hapa, but between the two likely lynches to occur I pick Hapa over Rels. VOTE: Hapa.

[Aubrey]

^^^^^^ @BV

[Aubrey]

FUCK YOU PAGE TOP

[Aubrey]

@Aubrey - My main reason for voting Hap is what I laid out in my readslist and isn't dependent on any other reads.

The Rels case seems more dependent on the association of scum Hapa overall.
The Hapa case doesn't seem dependent on any association, but rather his actions alone.

Why are you talking to me about Hapa's case not being based on dependency when I didnt say it was? Did you misunderstand something in my post?

While I agree with your Hap read, I'd like to see your own reasons for voting him.

Pretty sure I laid it out in the first paragraph in my previous post on the other page.

Can you go over your reads a bit more on the rest of the playerlist?

I'm not a fan of player reads lists unless I absolutely have to or feel the need to do so. I don't feel the need right now, and I've laid out my thoughts regarding players of interest throughout this game. If you want to know what I think about a certain player in general, ask away.

Normally I am a bit more vocal and forceful in my reads, even with the headspace that I go about day 1. However to be frank, I'm kinda detached from this game a bit. More than normal.

Why are you detached from this game?

I don't know. I think it's a mix of things.

[Aubrey]

Also, was the entirety of 924 directed at me or just the first part? Because I haven't suggested lynching Rels based on associatives nor am I 100% sure about my Hap scumread. Cass was the one who said both of those things.

The first part was kinda directed at you, and was worthwhile to everyone else in knowing how I approach day one, and where my head space is. The following was directed at everyone, but in a fashion where I was having a conversation with you. I'm fully aware, that you were not suggesting that.

I'd like a bit more elaboration on where you stand with regard to Rels and Hap. You are focusing on whether other people's reasons to lynch them are justified but I'm more interested in what you think of their posting by itself.

Again, go back to the last post I made on the other page. I've flip flopped on Hapa all day. Rels has been a slot that I haven't paid much attention towards.

[Aubrey]

It's day one. I'm in the headspace that as long as a null or scum-lean gets lynched, I'm happy. If people start trying to direct wagons on people that I feel are likely town, then that's another story

Like, this should say it all for you.

[Aubrey]

There is only 1 thing that makes me think Hapa could be town.

Quick dumb question that I can't wrap my mind around. Why would Scum!Hapa remotely defend the counterwagon on him (Kop) way back when? If I'm scum getting my ass handed to me it seems by the town, THE LAST THING i'm going to do is remotely defend any wagon that could possibly save my life.

Like, it just doesn't make sense at all to me. I want to say he maybe town, but I'm so fucking conflicted. I also have no idea why people thought that he was articulating his own lynch.

Hapa showed no emotion early when he was pressured by rayn; and again now he's defending himself A LOT, but in the bad sense of the way. Pushing the "EVERYBODY SCUMREADS ME FOR NO R4EASON" without showing he's pissed

Hapa read robotic to me for a bit in the beginning of the game, but this mid point of Day 1 he seems pissed to me. Getting pissed is NAI, but it does lead me down the path of believing that it is not his goal to get lynched at all. All that talk about him planning his D1 lynch, and having his scum bus him, is out the door. Should he be scum, and scum are bussing him, he isn't planning it behind the scenes. It would be happening organically. Or he is town fighting for his life.

I mentioned that here.

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Sadly, nobody else seems like they are going to get lynched beyond him and Reels, and I don't have a strong case I can articulate on anybody right now. I'm not going to vote Rels since it seems largely revolved around an associative flip from Hapa. This in turn concerns me since people are willing to lynch him over Hapa (or they prefer him, but keep Hapa open to lynch). This is something that should be discussed post flip, or he should be a lynch candidate based on his actions alone without the need (or the base of) of an associative flip.

Most of the things I seem to disagree with regarding Hapa seem to stem from Cass somewhat.

[Aubrey]

I'm not doing a in depth reads list. You can ask me about certain players and I will comment about my general thoughts on the slot/s.

[Aubrey]

No. I told you how you can get reads from me. I'm not giving you a reads list.

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I've also shown doubt on the Hapa read, and in my own way I'm challenging it in the above post. Why are you not bothering to remedy those shaking feelings away?

[Aubrey]

Straight up. I don't feel like doing it, and would rather engage with you rather than doing a shitty reads list. You're trying to make it sound like I'm refusing to give reads at all, and that is not the case. I'm refusing to give you a reads list that wouldn't amount to jack shit, but would rather have a conversation with you about individual players that you are interested in my thoughts on.

You wanna know X, I'll give you X if you just do Y.

[Aubrey]

@Hawk: as in the both of them being scum? I've addressed this already, why wouldn't he just push his scum buddy for the distance? Or just not say anything at all, and push elsewhere? Why outwardly defend his scum buddies slot? There is the option of them gambeling on people having the doubts I'm having, but I find that overthought and less likely. I see it as tvt or tvs. Less likely of SvS.

[Aubrey]

That's a hard question to answer. In a game with day talk for scum, is it really about who looks scummier? Without day talk, scum are mostly organic in play. Here, not so much. It's more mechanical.

[Aubrey]

I was literally about to go to bed.

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I town-read Hawk

a bit

and wouldn't want to see him lynched today at all. I like the fact he is thinking things through and seems to have a sense of wavering that seems genuine. Watch him fuck me over after our last game. Overall I don't have a reason to scum lean him.

You. I wouldn't lynch you right now. Seems you and I are on a similar wavelength kinda sorta. If Rels Flips scum and Hapa flips town, that wouldn't be a good look for you though...You are however challenging the mighty Cass. I dig that.

Kop...Kop kop kop. I swear if I had a gun right here, right now, I'd would be tempted to shoot him just to see what he would flip. (I still love you, don't let anybody tell you otherwise) I'd lynch that. Gut alone.

Kid I've discussed already and I'm willing to see him move onto tomorrow.

Having fitz is going to give me fitz. I have a

slight

town lean on him as mentioned, though him getting super offended and scum reading anybody who seems to suspect him will get old. Wouldn't see him lynched as of yet.

Doom...I'm still at the same conclusion as I was earlier. I like his charisma, but dear god those votes sometimes and thought processes. He can live for now,

Cass...fucking scares the shit out of me. Like I wanna town read her, I seriously do, but any player who looks like they have an impenetrable suit of armor and make sure to to have an out with every move naturally terrifies me. I wouldn't lynch her today though, and I'm reading what they have to say with wary eyes.

Rels I've discussed. Overall I don't town read them right now but associations yada yada yada. Far more interested to see what they have to say.

I'm not the Creature wiser-er, and for the life of me I cannot read him easily. Null. That whole slip of not knowing about scum having day talk is NAI and should not be used as a reason to town-read him as far as I'm concerned. Least that's what my head is telling me.

OOO....eh. He started off like Cass a bit, and I had similar feelings. I don't think he is caught up, and I don't remember feeling much about his Fitz vote. Would I lynch him given the option, why not. That being said, I don't think he would be by any means my first option I'd like to see flip.

--

There. You basically got a reads list from me.

[Aubrey]

Creature whisper-er*

[Aubrey]

i want a rels lynch yeah

ftr i think a hapa-town world is extremely unlikely as well, and theres no way that hapa/rels is TvT or TvS (could be SvT though, i agree)

what a rels flip tells us about is /other/ slots -- e.g. picks out scum no.3

rels lynch permits us to gamesolve. hapa lynch hits scum 100% of the time. so i prefer the rels lynch for now: we can afford a ML or two in the early game, and the faster we get gamesolve info the easier it is for town to win. hapa will not cease to be a good lynch d2

This is the post that is causing such uproar on Cass, and where BlackVoid and I are basically coming from in being like . Cass, I could read the lord of the rings books quicker than your iso. I don't fully understand this mis-rep that you are going on and on about, nor do I have a lot of free time today. Please In a short sweet 2-3 lines explain it to me, because I see where BlackVoid is coming from at a general standpoint.

In a 2-3 liner, explain to me how the Rels case doesnt need an associative flip to scumread him.

Post 924 basically illustrates where I'm coming from overall. Lastly what are your thoughts on my 935 post since you are so sure on a Hapa lynch being a scum success.

lastly if you are town, why would scum remotely try and attack you as hard as BV is doing? That is straight up risky when they can just kill you off. You're not exactly the easiest target to go after here.

[Aubrey]

lol, two lastly's.

AND ANOTHER THING!!!!!

[Aubrey]

Sorta think this day should end.

pretty much over this day as well.

[Aubrey]

Well I think it's obvious there is likely no scum connection between BlackVoid and Rels. Can we lynch tonight?

[Aubrey]

....The thought that I don't care and being laid back in comparison to a number of others is kinda laughable.

[Aubrey]

Cause it's obvious Hapa is the lynch of the day. Nobody else is going to get lynched. He is the scummiest looking and everybody else has to many if's and but's.

To be voting people like Kop Fitz and anybody else is a complete and total waste unless it is between you and him. The lynch is between you and Hapa for the day and that is a fact. I've made my decision.

[Aubrey]

You seriously think someone other than Hapa or yourself will get enough momentum to be a serious candidate for today? I think not.

[Aubrey]

Hence why I am where I am.

[Aubrey]

....The thought that I don't care and being laid back in comparison to a number of others is kinda laughable.

Well, I think you'd be more involved as town regardless of how other people have been treating the lynch. That's not an excuse. When I asked why, you even said that you normally are more involved but just THIS game, you are not. That looks like pre-empting me going over your meta and showing that you are very involved at deadline time as town. You haven't given any solid reason why this game is special in the sense of you caring less about the outcome.

I'm not going into my personal woes. I'm normally super active as town. I'm normally super active as scum as well. Me being like I am now should illustrate that something really is causing me to not be as involved, and not be AI in trying to identify my alignment. Anybody who looks into my previous games (town & scum) should easily be able to identify this. You using this as a reason to suspect me is horrid from my point of view ESPECIALLY if you have looked into how I play both alignments. Hopefully others will notice my activity and involvement regardless of alignment, and be able to make the correct call. If not, well shit then.

It's also the fact that you (Aubrey) are being very generic about your comments. For instance, you made a paragraph saying that it's silly for people to say Hap is 100% scum and vote Rels. But you never directly call out those people (Cass and Hawk) and grill them on their positions. It's just a vague laid-back agreement with me and then neither your read on Cass nor Hawk has any indication at all of their treatment of the Hap wagon.

1. Are you saying all of my comments are generic and that I haven't seemed interested in finding out people's alignments all game? If so, ew.

2. Was it silly thinking, yes. It is absolutely scummy thinking? No. If one of them is scum, you'll be more likely to figure that out after some player flips, NK's, and taking notice of possible associations with other players later on. As long as they are arguing that they are merely pushing other players (Kid & Reels) while keeping Hapa as a solid plan B, logically you won't lynch them today, because they are on board with the most likely person who is going to be lynched. Knowing this, I'd only be speculating possibilities and walling the shit out of an issue that can be brought up later with stronger evidence to support it.

You seriously think someone other than Hapa or yourself will get enough momentum to be a serious candidate for today? I think not.

well of course it is possible. If it's not then then this forum is quite bad at mafia

These comparisons between forms is also getting old. Totally not game related, but why come here if TL is so great?

I will be beyond shocked if you or Hapa isn't the lynch candidate for today. Floored even.

Hap was online this morning but never checked in. I have some paranoia about being wrong here but on balance, that's the best achievable lynch that's likely to flip scum. Thinking Aubrey is scum regardless of flip. Cass is scum with a Hap scumflip.

lol how do you check this ? And yeah Hapa is the best lynch right now. I have my doubts but something as simple as his inability to fight the pressure is pretty scum indicative - his town game is way better than his scum game

....Like even you are saying he is the best lynch right now, but you're damned determined to fight me when I say it. You're also damned determined to fight me when I say he is the obvious candidate that is going to get lynched, yet look at where everyone is aiming their votes. The only one opposing this lynch is OOO.

Then you go and say you have doubts about Hapa's flip right after saying how shady it is of me to have doubts, but still be voting him? Okay.

I had him as town because he seems derpy like he was on Open 660.

I don't even remember that game. Nor do I understand what you mean here. The "

had

" though is lovely. Town-read me when the majority of the peeps town read me, instantly drop it the moment they get suspicious. Again . Anybody else want to add there suspicious two cents into the hat while the push on Aubrey is super easy?

What do you think of the points I made regarding how he was lying back and not contributing to the lynch discussion as well as being really generic in his suspicions? Right now, if there's one player I'm most certain of being scum, it's him.

[Aubrey]

because it doesn't make sense to want to lynch Reels first to me and to save Hap for later. of course it makes me wonder if people are trying to push a mislynch and give Hapa some time to possibly recover and if he doesn't, gain some town credit for pushing the lynch on if he is scum. But it is just suspicions with nothing to support it or bAck it up, and it won't matter if I don't know Hapas alignment. End of story.

I voted Hapa and didn't like the Rels push. You're making it sound like I haven't voiced jack shit at all. As for the reads lists, get over it. I was willing to work with you, but I just didn't want to recap everyone last night in order to give you the fullest up to date reads. I was tired and you being stubborn not willing to work with me so that I could work with you was straight up a complete and total pain on my ass as much as it was for yourself.

[Aubrey]

Does it seriously take 2 people to scream and shout at someone to convince them the sky is blue?

[Aubrey]

When people are pushing something you're not going to have a double push of two people screaming and shouting at people to dig into them. Rather One person will push X while others either aggree or disagree while adding side commentary along the way, OR they will bring up a separate case against X that is twisting your logic that acts as an additive to their own logic.

[Aubrey]

"

When people are pushing something you're not going to have a double push of two people screaming and shouting at people to dig into them.

"

For clarity I mean you wont see two people pushing someone for the same exact reasons word for word.

[Aubrey]

Just cause I'm not interested in lynching her today doesn't mean she's a town read of mine.

[Aubrey]

at this point I'm sure you have confirm!biased me, or whatever people call it, and nothing I say is going to change your mind.

[Aubrey]

I doubt it. Aubrey doesn't want to give me a reads list but would rather go about it differently, must be scum. Aubrey didn't bitch at Hawk and Cass as much as I did, he must be scum. Aubrey is kinda not feeling this game as much as all the other games he's played in, he must be scum.

I'm as dead to you as you are infuriating to me.

[Aubrey]

Quickly ask yourself, who else isn't exactly engaging with possible lynch options outside of Rels or Hapa wagon? I'm being scumread cause I've made a few posts saying little outside of those two wagons in comparison to a few others such as yourself. But if you ask youself that question, I'm sure you'll find a number of other players who fit the bill and are probably not any more active (if not less) than myself.

[Aubrey]

Creature, I just relooked at 660. Derpy my ass. I was on all 3 of the scum and got killed for it N1. Pleeeease. I thought that you were talking about that horrible mafia and werewolf game I was in that I try and forget desperately.

[Aubrey]

I don't think he is purposely trying to drain the enjoyment and fun out of this game. That is more like players who are toxic and vile that turn the game into a sorry state that nobody even wants to address them or really address the game because it became a toxic playing field. Believe or not there are players that do that, and I'm against it morally.

I think they are attempting to figure out the game, but...well...I don't know. Can't see a forest for the trees, or easily susceptible to believing they are absolutely right without considering other facts once their mind is made up. That in turn is naturally frustrating for players such as you and I who have to deal with their suspicion, and can't get them to understand where we are coming from; from a town perspective. (Assuming you are town)

At this point, it is just part of the game that is a burden that we have to deal with since we are on the receiving end of it.

[Aubrey]

I think Cass and BV might be town...BV seems to be attempting to game solve, and the attack from Cass just recently seems to stem from a frustrated townie who can't get him to understand their position. That argument isn't an argument i see scum proposing against someone like that.

[Aubrey]

.....

[Aubrey]

On one hand I find this absurd. On another, I'm actually interested in seeing if you can successfully pull off my mislynch today.

[Aubrey]

Like he townreads Hapa....and lock scums me, but I've been constantly saying how I doubt Hapa's lynch a bit. If one scum-reads me, then they should also think "holy shit, maybe Aubrey is busing his partner while trying to disband it at the same time." And he's basically town reading him similar to all the points I raised, commented, and asked.

lol I. Can't. Even. What's worse he could actually pull this off maybe.

[Aubrey]

i still think he could be town Cass. Severely misguided, but possibly town. You are probably my strongest townread. Keep your eyes open. I almost welcome death as much as yourself,

[Aubrey]

i expect a wall of an apology after all of the walls I had to read from you when I flip green.

Anything I say is just going to get twisted to meet your scum ideals.

[Aubrey]

i expect a wall of an apology after all of the walls I had to read from you when I flip green.

Anything I say is just going to get twisted to meet your scum ideals.

He was calling me town just a few posts ago and now suddenly I'm scum. He can't decide between calling me bad and calling me scum

The fuck? I never said you were scum here. I'm saying you see me in a light and nothing I do is going to change that cause you will warp anything I say or do to fit your expectation of my alignment.

[Aubrey]

i expect a wall of an apology after all of the walls I had to read from you when I flip green.

Anything I say is just going to get twisted to meet your scum ideals.

You expect an apology from scum when they mislynch you? That sounds weird for sure.

I think he is just head-up-his-buttocks town. Like seriously. If Happa is town, why bother pushing other wagons so hard? If Happa is scum, why be so desperate to push any other wagon possible? 1. is just making life harder on yourself as scum when everyone wants the guy dead basically. 2. Trying to push another wagon against your scum buddies THIS desperately would spell likely spell disaster for him should Hapa flip.

[Aubrey]

uggggghhhh I've only skimmed what Ive missed from yesterday but I'll catch up here in a second. I think Hapa is still better than a no lynch but I'm feeling conflicted because BV is making good points about Aubrey, and to be honest it feels like everybody is just kinda blindly saying well Hapa looks scummy without giving their own reasons or pushing his commentary. I'll have to go back and look but I mostly remember counter cases to Hapa being "Your cointer case is weak, or your reasoning is scummy" not you are scummy because blah.

BV let me catch up.

[Aubrey]

Good lord this game leads a man to drink heavily and it's only 9:39 in the morning. I'm done for today. Lynch me. Straight up don't give a shit anymore.

pre-edit: it's likely a fucking town with his head up his arse.

[Aubrey]

Fitz is acting like a butthurt town who basically scum reads anybody who suspects me in the slightest, which is horrid way to play the game. Creature can't move beyond meta hardly, and when he does he is too lazy to try and explain himself. A number of you are so focused on the logical that you can't see things beyond what is in front of you. Hawk is so fucking scared of last game that he is second guessing himself i assume. Cass is beyond pissed with BV like myself due to his hard headedness, but would rather lynch him for it than sit there and consider if it is coming from a town mindset. Kop is basically a waste of space. Doom is either scum or just plain lost. Kid only cares about his views rather than actually listening to what anybody else has to say. Like this game right now is soooo unappealing to deal with. I'd replace out, but that would be completely unfair to whoever takes over my slot.

[Aubrey]

I've been putting up with this shit for almost 2 weeks. You've barely lasted 2 hours.

A salute to your ass if your town.

[Aubrey]

Fitz maybe scum just bitching about anybody who votes him actually. I don't know anymore more. Bye. I need to get to fucking work now.

[Aubrey]

Pretty sure it's me today. Once I flip green please don't follow BV's absolute reads anymore.

[Aubrey]

Back to work.

[Aubrey]

I'm out with family, and won't have much time to devote to this tonight. I'll try and squeeze in some time tonight when I'm at a computer. Shocked I'm not dead. We're at the point where a lynch just needs to be determined. I'm iffy on Hawk flipping scum. Regardless of who, someone should flip today (even if it's me). At least info is gained, and a shot was taken at eliminating scum even if it is a poor one.

This is the problem that occurred when people wait till the last minute to decide a lynch.

[Aubrey]

Hawk and reels scum doesn't make sense to me exactly.

[Aubrey]

I've only skimmed today's happenings. I'm riding home now. I left for work pretty damn sure I was today's lynch.

[Aubrey]

4 hrs and thirty minutes. We aren't getting a lynch are we?

[Aubrey]

About to recap soon.

[Aubrey]

I'm re-reading today's happenings.

I can't say that was my favorite moment by any means. I of course have a bias.

Kop is the obvious lynch that would normally go through.

[Aubrey]

Can I ask you a dumb question?

[Aubrey]

Why did it never cross your mind that I couldn't be scum acting super unmotivated at the end, fed up, not caring,

lynch me lynch me

yada yada act? You're not wrong. I'm town, and was fed up cause I didn't feel as if I could really defend myself nor get anyone to understanding where I was coming from mentally. It was never about me not getting my way that someone mentioned later on in the day. However, you with such a strong belief that I was scum...why didnt this go through you mind?

UNVOTE:

[Aubrey]

I seriously believe we should murder fitz, or possibly Kop. Maybe hawk is the third scum but idk. I am not too confident on that.

Can you guys please go read fitz' filter and tell me how any of his reasoning for scumreads ever makes anyone mafia?

You have ignored repeated questions by me to you...I have seen no case by you on me...and you have a tendency to ad-hom players and/or disparage their ability.

OoO wagon would work as well.

You suspect them cause they are voting you and have a cold foul mouth at times?

[Aubrey]

I seriously believe we should murder fitz, or possibly Kop. Maybe hawk is the third scum but idk. I am not too confident on that.

Can you guys please go read fitz' filter and tell me how any of his reasoning for scumreads ever makes anyone mafia?

You have ignored repeated questions by me to you...I have seen no case by you on me...and you have a tendency to ad-hom players and/or disparage their ability.

OoO wagon would work as well.

really glad someone else picked up on the ad hominem

i really really despise playing with that. if i was in a better position/cared more about the game id powerlynch it to get it the hell out of the game (not to mention ive never seen town use ad hom to beat players with. in the heat of the moment, in response to ad hom attacks, sure, but never just throwing it at people)

This whole ad hominem thing doesnt make sense. If your looking at Ad hominem from an argumentative stand point, you won when you place an argument against someone and they can only retort back with a F U or something. Cass and Fitz pushing that as a scum lean doesnt make sense to me. Some people are just colder and don't care how their words are perceived.

[Aubrey]

Some of your posts last night rang town but I was hoping that I was right and that you were scum posting that. Outoforder posted some good reasoning as well - that you wouldn't just say you'll replace out and get pissed. I was hoping that was fake too but I kept thinking about the game at work and checking in on your ISO at work whenever I got the chance. At point, it became apparent that you were town and assuming that your annoyance at me was scum faking just started to feel like wishful thinking. So, I went over again with the mindset that you were town and everything started making perfect sense as a frustrated townie being wrongly pushed. It was a similar process I had with Hap when I realized that he was most likely town. So, once I figured that out while driving, I ran to the nearest place that had wifi so I could unvote before a lynch happened.

Dear god you're like almost if not basically confirmed townie to me now. LOL. If I'm wrong by some damn chance, I bow down to you as a scum god. This story is too good.

[Aubrey]

VOTE: Aubrey

I don't think town Aubrey gets frustrated there the way he does. He hasn't pushed the game forward at all just consigned that Rels and Hapa were the lynches of the day despite not 100% liking a Hapa lynch. Scum Aubrey is very cunning and I haven't played with him in a scum game where he's been scumread early so I don't know how genuine he can fake AtE, but I do know that in my last game WITH Aubrey as scum he took a backseat to me leading town and successfully had me and the rest of town town reading him for days before finally we hit f3 and there was no possible way for him to be town in my eyes and I had to scramble to figure out how to convince our backup role cop that he was scum and I wasnt.

Like you complain about not using meta as a read, but you are here. This is an easy out to vote me if your scum cause your "

voting out of fear

" on the flip side townies often vote out of fear it seems. The "

Aubrey is kinda laid back

" is also a easy way to scum read someone.

Furthermore, I didn't exactly take a backseat as scum that game. I pushed hard for the people I wanted lynched over my last remaining partner, but knew when to force something and let something go and flow with the town. Did you forget my constant pushes on Alissea? IV? and Gamma? whom of which all got highly scumread and killed by the town and not by my scummy hands?

[Aubrey]

I've had 2 long shifts at work and I'm totally goosed. I don't think I have the energy to go through all the pages that I've missed because body is crying for sleep.

Like he could have totally voted for one of the leading wagons that he thought was the most likely to flip scum. If he genuinely townread me, he shoulda voted for Hapa (even without full knowledge of what all went down). He had to see the vote list above this very post and know we were close to deadline.

[Aubrey]

1230
1231

No way he missed this.

[Aubrey]

Cass, we can L1 one of Kop or Hawk.

[Aubrey]

I wish I could just vote both.

[Aubrey]

Kop keeping that vote off of a major wagon near deadline really just Ugh's me though. Like if my biggest townread was looking ike it was gonna die, I would put my vote in favor of saving it.

[Aubrey]

Cass like, I'm pretty damn sure BV is town. Cool off and think this through cause your reacting out of annoyance and that vote isn't going to do anything.

[Aubrey]

Yeah, but he's Kop and a quick glance of his games tells me he's not a super pro-town player who would think to check such a thing. I find more likely he just lazily posted in the game thread before disappearing.

Is he not lazy-ish as scum?

[Aubrey]

How long are you all going to be on? Lets make a deal.

[Aubrey]

if you all will be around for 2 hours. Lets vote Hawk. That gives two hours for someone to hammer. Nobody hammers in two hours, the three of us vote Kop.

Then we have a lynch.

That gives us 50 minutes buffer.

[Aubrey]

I thought he was at l4

[Aubrey]

hes at L4 but it seems Hapa has arrived.

[Aubrey]

VOTE: Hawk

F it.

Kop is still horrid in my eyes for that post today.

[Aubrey]

Aubrey I replaced into this game when I saw you and Kop because I was hoping we could hunt scum together as actual teammates this time. It really sucks this is how it ends for me. <3 you.

I love you man. I'm sorry. I hope we can play in another game soon. Should I end up in the dead thread, it'll be a party.

[Aubrey]

I feel like shit now.

[Aubrey]

GG

[Aubrey]

Town lose all the time with 2week day phases.

[Aubrey]

its more complex than that.