Mini 1875: Pine's Death Trap Post Game - Town win!

Fro99er · Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:30 pm

In post 1778, mattblackguy wrote:Possible scumteams(in no particular order):

(1){JarJar,LUV,Frogger}
(2){JarJar,Nancy,Frogger}
(3){Jarjar,Sheep,Frogger}
(4){Jarjar,Sheep,LUV}
(5){Jarjar,Sheep,Nancy}
(6){Jarjar,LUV,Nancy}

Look how he's intentionally lining up completely incorrect teams

when I flip town you instalynch this

Fro99er · Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:30 pm

Nancy he thinks me you and jarjar are scum theater all together is a real possibility.

Fro99er · Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:35 pm

In post 1778, mattblackguy wrote:(1) - I think is the most likely team
(2) - It's possible that Nancy bussed JarJar, and flipped on her reads after Rauth cleared RC, but I don't think that's too likely with how the Transcend wagon shaped out. It would mean both Vifam, and Jar were bussing Transcend for barely anything more than policy reasons. Transcend's lynch was easily avoidable given how little of a case was given on him, so I don't think they'd go with it that easily. Probably least likely team.
(3) - Someone else can go until more detail about this as a possibility. Probably second most likely team
(4) - Idk what to say about this one. Maybe someone else can give some input if they think this is likely.
(5) - For the same reason I think (2) is unlikely I think this one is unlikely.
(6) - This one would be a weird team. Idk the liklihood of this being the team.

Lol I missed this part. He thinks me you jar is least likely

but he thinks me jar sheep is second most likely. LOL

Fro99er · Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:36 pm

In post 1778, mattblackguy wrote:Keep pushing me Frog. I wanna see how it's going to work out for you.

It's going to work out great when I flip town you get powerlynched.

Fro99er · Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:41 pm

Alright,

I'm going to do a big VCA so that when I'm dead and town you all can freaking listen to me. Don't hammer me before then. It'll probably be tonight after I watch some basketball and my wife goes to bed.

Fro99er · Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:41 pm

In post 1790, Fro99er wrote:Alright,

I'm going to do a big VCA so that when I'm dead and town you all can freaking listen to me.
Don't hammer me before then.
It'll probably be tonight after I watch some basketball and my wife goes to bed.

Fro99er · Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:43 pm

Then after I VCA I will self vote and be gone. It's not going against my win con to self vote if it helps town in the end.

There's literally nothing I can do to change RC's mind, and nancy is just going to follow RC, so yeah.

Fro99er · Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:11 pm

food for thought

RC and I have played together 3 times before. We were both town each of the 3 times (Refraction, AngryPigeon's with mollie and pie that was a shitfest...JarJar was in that game too, and Varsoon's with FA that was also a shitfest). All three times he scumread me despite me being town.

We are both town here. Consider the fact that RC doesn't know how to read me. At all.

That's not an attack on RC

. That's just a fact that he hasn't been able to read me correctly, period. The same thing is happening here. Just take into consideration he hasn't been able to figure me out.

Fro99er · Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:12 pm

In post 1796, nancy wrote:I mean scum!Fro99er here means that it might actually be LUV after all given how his stances on JJD and LUV were the only two hard stances he gave, I'd still be more inclined to think it's Sheep as the third though.

stop speculating on who my buddy is. I'm flipping town and then you can rethink things.

Fro99er · Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:13 pm

In post 1800, Rautherdir wrote:RC, can you confirm that?

I can confirm it. I'll link you to each game.

Fro99er · Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:28 pm

In post 1801, Fro99er wrote:
In post 1800, Rautherdir wrote:RC, can you confirm that?
I can confirm it. I'll link you to each game.

Refraction

: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=62181 -- specifically where RC says he was dead sure I was scum before I claimed: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p7034816

Before I saw the claim I was dead convinced Fro99er was scum.

Varsoon's

: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=64754 -- a few examples of specific posts: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p7562593, http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p7562182

I'm strongly scumreading Fro99er's play in particular though, and I think he's most likely to be scum.

Althought I liked this part: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p7548855

I'd like you cleared because I know Fro99er's a good town player as well and supposedly Mastin2 is as well though I can't say I've played with her town game.

RC KNOWS I'M AN ASSET TO TOWN.

AngryPig's

: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=64645 -- specifically where he called me scum and voted me: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p7486211, http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p7500998
Also this post was cool where I was 100% positive Jar was town (he was) and RC doubted me on that. I KNEW Jar was scum here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p7514439

Just humor me, why are you 100% positive that Jar is town?

Although, RC actually did read me correctly after D2, so I wasn't 100% correct. He hard townread me the rest of the game.

Fro99er · Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:30 pm

So, for when I die

I'm 100% positive Uzi is town.

I'm 90% positive Matt is scum. If he's scum the order I think his partners are is sheep -> Grendel/akarin (no preference, I'll try to sort that out through VCA)

Fro99er · Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:33 pm

In post 1802, Fro99er wrote:
In post 1801, Fro99er wrote:
In post 1800, Rautherdir wrote:RC, can you confirm that?
I can confirm it. I'll link you to each game.

Refraction
: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=62181 -- specifically where RC says he was dead sure I was scum before I claimed: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p7034816
Before I saw the claim I was dead convinced Fro99er was scum.

Varsoon's
: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=64754 -- a few examples of specific posts: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p7562593, http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p7562182
I'm strongly scumreading Fro99er's play in particular though, and I think he's most likely to be scum.
Althought I liked this part: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p7548855
I'd like you cleared because I know Fro99er's a good town player as well and supposedly Mastin2 is as well though I can't say I've played with her town game.
RC KNOWS I'M AN ASSET TO TOWN.

AngryPig's
: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=64645 -- specifically where he called me scum and voted me: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p7486211, http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p7500998
Also this post was cool where I was 100% positive Jar was town (he was) and RC doubted me on that. I KNEW Jar was scum here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p7514439
Just humor me, why are you 100% positive that Jar is town?
Although, RC actually did read me correctly after D2, so I wasn't 100% correct. He hard townread me the rest of the game.

(I should say in Varsoon's game I was playing as a hydra with Mastin called Masters of Bull...but I was the one doing most of the playing...Mastin was mostly absent until I replaced out)

Fro99er · Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:48 pm

In post 890, Grendel wrote:Also your Jar jar read. You seemed sure he was scum yesterday, but now its like he is the shining hero who is defeating evil RC for you. Like you reads coming into today seem to have flipped completely.

If Matt is scum, this basically rules Grendel out as Matt and Jar's partner.

This is EXACTLY what I found.

Fro99er · Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:55 pm

In post 1185, Akarin wrote:
In post 1170, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 1151, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1150, JarJarDrinks wrote:UNVOTE:
By way of summary what was the nature of your scum-read of Transcend?
Already kinda answered this
In post 1097, JarJarDrinks wrote:It's a little of both. It's policy cause he's stubbornly refusing to play. But I also think it's scummy because I know he's capable of playing a solid game. If he'd start giving us real content, I'd probably move my vote.
So considering his play was anti-town and I know he's capable of much better, I lean scum on him.

So basically my vote was mainly to attempt to motivate him to start posting real content and if he didn't, I would have been happy to lynch him.

Looks like the replacement is already redeeming the slot w/ a vote on RC.

Probably not Jar Jar's partner here.
VOTE: RC
You're not actually answering the question. You weren't policy voting him, but you know he's capable of more, so you have a scum read on him and are voting for him, but didn't really want to lynch him and were just voting him to motivate him and would have moved your vote if he posted more and the replacement is town because they're trying?

That sounds exactly like a policy vote that you don't want to admit is a policy vote.

Fro99er · Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:55 pm

WTF, it cut off my text. Akarin is probably not jar jar's partner for ^^^

Fro99er · Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:56 pm

That would leave either nancy or sheep, and I highly doubt it's nancy as you'll see through VCA.

Fro99er · Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:59 pm

In post 499, Cooperative Sheep wrote:
In post 436, Transcend wrote:What's the Grendel lynch about
I think it's about pressure and consensus.

And if you read sheep's ISO, he never actually pressures Grendel, other than with a vote. He just votes him and leaves it there and tells people it's about pressure, but DOESN'T ACTUALLY PRESSURE GRENDEL DIRECTLY BY PUSHING HIM OR ASKING HIM QUESITONS OR TRYING TO FIND SCUMMY PLAY FROM HIM.

There's more from sheep later. I just wanted to point this out.

Fro99er · Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:12 pm

also post 815 basically rules out Uzi as scum with Jar. That's not a bus-push on Jar by Uzi.

Fro99er · Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:43 pm

Oh hey look what I found

In post 813, Keyser Söze wrote:I may look at mattblackguy first actually:
In post 797, mattblackguy wrote:The fact that Keyser didn't make a vote outside of RVS yet was still active is a little concerning.
Either you did not fully read Day 1 or you are scum.

VOTE: mattblackguy

You can start by deconstructing your read of JarJarDrinks from Day 1 through to Day 2 (from scum-read to town-read)

GO!

Keyser also noticed what Grendel and I noticed!

Fro99er · Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:28 pm

Spoiler: VCA with only confirmed when Frog flips town

Vote Count 2.7 above shows that Uzi was the counterwagon to JarJar, and if we assume Keyser is town (I think a reasonable assumption) then MBG is scum and Uzi is town. If MBG is scum, then my post 1805 shows Grendel is 100% town and my post 1815 shows Keyser is 100% town (which fits with the assumption).

The alternative is that Keyser is scum if Matt flips town

, and that would make sense given how they voted together D1 (and keyser voted matt), and then voted against each other D2, but ultimately ended up on the same wagon in Vote Count 2.7. They basically have to be opposite teams, so if Matt flips town it's almost guaranteed Keyser is scum.

But we can come to that game state later. First let's work with Matt!scum -- then Keyser, Uzi, and Grendel are town. So now I will redo the VCA with those colored in...

Spoiler: VCA with Uzi, Keyser, and Grendel as town and MBG as scum

Then it comes down to Akarin, Nancy, and Sheep. If we let Akarin be town for post 1806, then it comes down to Nancy and Sheep. Thankfully they cross vote each other in Vote Count 2.1 (when Nancy is still Transcend). It's more likely Nancy is town, because they voted JarJar and Sheep, plus also voting Matt between Vote Count 1.1 and 1.2, meaning they'd have voted for all three scum, although the Nancy/Transcend combo also voted four town in myself/Vifam, Rauth, RC, and Gerry. But that looks more like lost town. Sheep vote parked both days...D1 on Grendel (town) and D2 on Transcend/Nancy. Scum tend to have static reads, and the fact that Sheep didn't really case Grendel or Transcend (ok, he cased Transcend but it was REALLY weak) makes him more likely scum than Transcend/Nancy.

So tl;dr when I die it goes like this (in order):

lynch MBG...

if MBG scum then Sheep -> Nancy -> Akarin is the order for the partner to JJD/MBG. Uzi, Grendel, Keyser are town in this scenario.
if MBG town then Keyser -> ??? -> ??? ... but Uzi is still town in this scenario. I honestly can't narrow down who Keyser's partner would be in this scenario because he's parked on MBG and Uzi D2, and MBG and Grendel D1, and nobody has voted him in any of these Vote Counts.
In a really weird scenario where both MBG and Keyser are town, then 2.7 means Nancy was the counterwagon to scum JarJar, so Sheep is confscum here with either Akarin or Grendel.
Finally, there's some fucked up gamestate where RC and Rauth are both scum with JJD, but I really don't want to think about that. But RC does have that cunning manipulator banner...

Now I am fine with lynching me if you all need to.

Fro99er · Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:30 pm

DEAR TOWN. PLEASE READ THE POST JUST ABOVE THIS ONE WHEN I DIE. THANK YOU.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:07 am

In post 1820, nancy wrote:And while I accept that there is potential scum motivation in much of their posts, it's hard to read the above for instance as simply a last-ditch self-save by scum!Fro99er.

i'm not trying to save myself at all

i'm trying to win the game for town, whether I'm dead or alive.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:12 am

In post 1819, nancy wrote:I mean my SR on Fro99er is basically reliant on me reading the 1v1 with JJD as scum theater. I read it this way because JJD's tone was fake. RC's reasons for SRing Fro99er seem to be different to mine. Vifam was Town for me and Fro99er was mostly Town, but I can totally see the hardbus as well, hypothetically speaking. So essentially this doesn't exactly inspire a lot of confidence in flipping the slot.

If we're not flipping me, then we're flipping between MBG and Keyser because Uzi was the counterwagon to JarJar (and let's be clear, we're flipping MBG over Keyser)

It needs to be one of me or MBG today.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:15 am

In post 1824, RadiantCowbells wrote:We're lynching Fro99er or LUV.

If that's the case then we're lynching me.

LUV was the counterwagon to JarJar. 100% guaranteed.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:17 am

In post 819, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Vifam probably isn't scum sadly.

--

VOTE: Matt

LUV had ZERO reason to make this post as scum unless we are scumbuddies.

As scum with me town (I'm town) he could have just kept pushing my slot.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:18 am

So it's not a decision between me and LUV. If we flip me we get LUV's alignment for free. And when I flip town you'll see LUV is town and was the counterwagon to JarJar

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:21 am

In post 1664, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:@Keyser: I think I already went over why I'm scum reading Matt but if I haven't I'll do so again. I found a lot of his play early on forced and felt like he was fence sitting. He's also recently been calling for my head but I don't think he's made any attempt to sort me or even has said why he's scum reading me.

I am scum reading Sheep mainly because of his push on the Transcend slot and PoE.

I didn't get why he was so focused on Transcend during D2 and it sort of pinged me because nothing really stood out to me from Transcend's play. When I looked back at their interactions on D1, all I saw was him explaining to Transcend in a sort of condescending tone about why there was a wagon on Grendel and him confirming who he is to Transcend. The latter came off more snobbish and patronizing then the former. It read like he was projecting a level of importance that he felt he rightfully earned at that point of the game which was very odd. This lead me to believe throughout my reread that there will be various play style and personality clashes between the two and that a lot of what they'll be scum reading each other for will be overblown.

At the start of D2, he voted Transcend and then I believe states he voted for him because of effort and his suspect voting pattern on D1. Effort is NAI. The second point however is a valid point but if you take a look back on D1, I believe Transcend voted for at least 4-5 different people before voting for Gerry according to my notes. What Sheep fails to acknowledge is that lot of those votes where in RVS and that scum would prefer not to bring that much attention themselves by voting like it's going out of style.

Sheep later on questions Transcend about his take on the Gerry and Grendel's wagons but does it in such a way that comes off like he's trying to show others that Transcend is stating his theories as fact. Now I have no idea why Transcend really didn't answer these questions from Sheep but his attitude seemed carefree and just genuine. I think scum would be more alert, more on guard, and try to look as pro-town as possible. Transcend did the exact opposite and while it could've been just an act, I find the simplest explanation always the most probable.

Here we are now and he's pushing nancy over her claiming immediately on replacement and only looking at the vote counts. Which is weird but doesn't make her scum. The latter however is a very bad angle to push in my opinion. Various players on this site put a lot of stock into VCA and nancy may just be one of them. Wouldn't surprise me to be honest since I've heard a lot of good things about her play. He's essentially scum reading her for play style rather than looking for the motivation of her actions.

--

@Mod: I'll be v/LA till the 16th. Valentines Day.

V/LA noted

This is also why LUV is town. You'll see after I flip.

It's NOT a decision between me and LUV. We're aligned together, either as both town or as both scum. I'm happy to sacrifice myself so you guys can get to lynching ACTUAL scum.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:28 am

In post 1829, nancy wrote:There were 2 potential counterwagons to JJD and I was one of them.

Ok, and in the case where LUV isn't a counterwagon then he and I are scum together. Period.

So from your perspective you should just lynch me or realize that LUV was indeed a counterwagon, not just a potential one.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:32 am

No objections here.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:34 am

In post 1832, Keyser Söze wrote:If I go back to the lynch wagon, if I remove town/RC/JarJar that leaves:
Grendel, Lil Uzi Vert, Nancy, frogger

And because Uzi and I HAVE to be aligned together, it shows we're both town. I guess I could be scum and Uzi town, but Uzi is conftown. He was a D2 counterwagon (possibly Nancy was too, but I'm 100% positive on Uzi).

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:34 am

In post 1835, Keyser Söze wrote:Stop saying 'sacrifice you' Frogger, that will only fuel people to want to lynch you

I'm fine with people lynching me. It will help town actually win for me to die so RC can get out of his wormhole.

Then we can get on with lynching Matt then Sheep.

I called that team yesterday. I stand by it.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:35 am

Man if I nailed this scum team exactly on my replace in that would be epic.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:37 am

In post 1835, Keyser Söze wrote:Stop saying 'sacrifice you' Frogger, that will only fuel people to want to lynch you

sacrificing yourself for the good of town is a noble and worthy thing. I am happy to do so.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:40 am

In post 1805, Fro99er wrote:
In post 890, Grendel wrote:Also your Jar jar read. You seemed sure he was scum yesterday, but now its like he is the shining hero who is defeating evil RC for you. Like you reads coming into today seem to have flipped completely.
If Matt is scum, this basically rules Grendel out as Matt and Jar's partner.

This is EXACTLY what I found.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:43 am

In post 1841, Keyser Söze wrote:I don't like frogger lining up my lynch after a matt-town flip but I will allow it as I am not a tier 1 t/read.

From your perspective, matt should be confscum to you. Uzi is conftown for the reasons I explained.

The Uzi wagon was you, RC, and MBG and it was the counter to JarJar. So either you or MBG is scum.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:44 am

In post 1844, Fro99er wrote:Uzi is conftown for the reasons I explained.

unless he and I are scum together, but you, Keyser, ruled out myself and Uzi as scum together because we are in the group of 4 where there can only be 1 scum per VCA. And there was zero reason for a scum uzi to back off of a town me.

Hence Uzi is conftown.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:47 am

In post 1846, Keyser Söze wrote:You presenting us this 1 for 1 trade is a logical fallacy. It can be used as both town or scum.

It's not a logical fallacy. Lynching me will be good for town so we can get on with lynching MBG then Sheep

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:48 am

In post 1845, Fro99er wrote:
In post 1844, Fro99er wrote:Uzi is conftown for the reasons I explained.
unless he and I are scum together, but you, Keyser, ruled out myself and Uzi as scum together because we are in the group of 4 where there can only be
a maximum of
1 scum per VCA. And there was zero reason for a scum uzi to back off of a town me.

Hence Uzi is conftown.

EBWOP

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:50 am

In post 1849, Keyser Söze wrote:Why can't we lynch MGB or Sheep D3?

Stop making this a 1v1

THEN VOTE MBG

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:58 am

In post 1851, Keyser Söze wrote:I have all the time in the world to evaluate everyone.
I am in no rush to lynch my scum-reads.
I want to scrutinise my town-reads first.

Through D1 VCA, I have already highlighted how through PoE at least of my t/reads can be scum (plus, ruled out potential scum-teams).

I've already done the VCA and shown why it has to be Matt and Sheep barring some crazy circumstances.

I freaking hate how we drag games out to deadline every day. Such a waste of time.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:59 am

In post 1855, RadiantCowbells wrote:If you try to lynch MBG today I will lynch you and then prevent MBG from being lynched the rest of the day.

You can't lynch people by yourself.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:10 am

In post 1859, RadiantCowbells wrote:Bluntly I don't like you this game. I don't trust at all how you took the wagon that was my brainchild and went ballistic pushing it and and trying to act like it was your own.
It feels like an attempt to jack towncred from the legwork that I and others pulled and I don't at all understand how you were so certain in your scumread on the slot to the point that you basically said PL me if this is town.
It feels ridiculously exaggerated, it feels like a bus, it feels like you're scum, and I don't fucking like your predecessor's associatives with flipped scum.

well you're wrong and I've called the scumteam. 'it was my own read. I have played several times with Jar and that's just NOT how he plays as town.

I'm sorry you aren't reading me correctly. I'm just that convinced of things so of course I'm going to sound certain.

pedit: i'm not going to shut the fuck up. I've solved the game. I'm the town leader here...even in death.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:12 am

The best part is, I replaced in and within minutes I was giving MY OWN OPINIONS on Jar. I wasn't jacking anyone's reads.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:29 am

In post 1868, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Sounds like you're making things personal and I don't understand why. You're practically confirmed town, work with us.

He's always had personal beef with me.

I wouldn't have replaced in had I looked at the player list. Was just trying to do Pine a solid. Lesson learned on my end.

I'm gonna play nice tho.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:30 am

Uzi who do you think is scum? You're conftown in my book

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:52 am

In post 1832, Keyser Söze wrote:Removing town/Rauth, that leaves a group of 3: Matt, Akarin, Sheep. At least 1 of these is guaranteed to be scum. Potentially 2 if only scum-JarJar was on gerry's wagon.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:54 am

In post 1832, Keyser Söze wrote:If I go back to the lynch wagon, if I remove town/RC/JarJar that leaves:
Grendel, Lil Uzi Vert, Nancy, frogger

If there's 2 in Sheep/Akarin/Matt then there's zero in this group obv.

Or at most there's 1 in this group if there's 1 in Sheep/Akarin/Matt

So unless all three scum were on the Gerry wagon, we should be lynching in Sheep/Akarin/Matt.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:24 am

Yeah, Jar multiple times said there's no way both Matt and RC are town. But then after RC got confirmed town, he still townread matt, because he didn't want to flip on matt. I think it's very bad news for matt.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:26 am

In post 1574, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 1507, Fro99er wrote:
In post 963, JarJarDrinks wrote:RC scum still makes more sense. But Town RC/Town Matt makes no sense.
If town RC + town Matt makes no sense, why didn't Jar Jar go vote Matt after RC got confirmed town?

GEE I WONDER WHY
Because matt gave a good explanation for what I thought was scummy.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:26 am

A good explanation for what I thought is scummy doesn't change the associative between RC and Matt that Jar was painting.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:12 am

In post 1879, RadiantCowbells wrote:Like, I don't dislike the MBG case. I seem to recall that I pushed it. But I don't want anyone, Fro99er included, pushing town to end today in the first 24 hours. That's how towns that are doing well end up throwing.

Fair enough.

I disagree, but that's a philosophical difference we have there. I'm glad there's no more personal beef between us. I don't want there to be.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:32 am

In post 1886, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1803, Fro99er wrote:I'm 100% positive Uzi is town.
100%? You are in no position to state this.
Please confirm.

I am in every way in position to state this.

He was the counterwagon to JarJar. Yourself, MBG, and RC voted him. From your perspective he's either caught scum or MBG is scum. Unless you really believe it was an all town wagon on town, despite town lynching scum yesterday.

(In that case, you should be heavily suspecting Sheep, because Nancy was also a counterwagon with JarJar and Sheep voting her).

In short, you should be suspecting either sheep or MBG today.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:35 am

In post 1891, RadiantCowbells wrote:He was the counterwagon to JJD pushed by someone who is confirmed clear. Why can't the duelling wagons have been SvS?

I guess they could have been, which would make uzi scum and MBG probably town.

I really really believe Uzi is town though. I've stated several times why. If you chose to disagree that's fine. I'm sticking with my read.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:36 am

In post 1894, Fro99er wrote:
In post 1891, RadiantCowbells wrote:He was the counterwagon to JJD pushed by someone who is confirmed clear. Why can't the duelling wagons have been SvS?
I guess they could have been, which would make uzi scum and MBG probably town.

I really really believe Uzi is town though. I've stated several times why. If you chose to disagree that's fine. I'm sticking with my read.

And in fairness, if Uzi is scum it should mean I'm his scum partner given the way he backed off of my slot D1. So I can see from your POV why you think Uzi and I are a team...especially with my defense of him.

That's why a frog flip does so many good things for this game. I'm dead serious.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:39 am

I'll look into that.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:42 am

The only hesitation from a VCA standpoint on Uzi/Nancy is they both would have bussed JarJar, and when I unvoted it would have been the perfect time for them to move off Jar and onto something else and they didn't.

Now I'll look from an associative standpoint with each other and with Jar.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:43 am

In post 1898, Keyser Söze wrote:Only Rauth can call someone 100% town.
You t/clearing non-confirmed players and narrowing down the lynch pool only narrows our focus (anti-town).
Anyone is up for the lynch (including me) except for RC and Rauth.
Hard defending a player without an investigation just causes a distraction.

don't tell me how to play

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:44 am

In post 605, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Hey mama, I'm all caught up!

I think there are at least two scum within Gerry/Jar/Matt/Vifam.

VOTE: Gerry

In post 819, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Vifam probably isn't scum sadly.

--

VOTE: Matt

I'm going to keep coming back to this. If Jar and Uzi were scum together, he could have eliminated Jar from his pool of four...not my slot.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:54 am

In post 1307, nancy wrote:UGH. Are you fucking kidding me.

He was NEVER going to be lynched. I was pushing that fucking wagon for reactions. Whatever.

Grendel is scum to me right now. I don't see him genuinely trying to sort alignments in that whole exchange with RC. JJD is scum and one of LUV/matt are scum. Game is pretty much solved imo.

VOTE: JJD

In post 1489, nancy wrote:RC I fully intended to push you until I had all the information on scumspects I needed. It got cut short just when things were starting to get juicy, but at least we got something out of it.

Fro99er Vifam claimed to be unlynchable. Do you have anything to say about this?

UNVOTE:

Don't like scum having hammer right now.

In post 1617, nancy wrote:Yeah idk maybe I was wrong about scum theater, RC reminding me how dumb paranoia is. I can actually buy JJD MBG Sheep, just look at the counterwagons right now.

I'm gonna flip this and I TR the whole fucking wagon if it flips red. Except maybe Grendel. He can be a null.

VOTE: JJD

IDK, Nancy could have voted elsewhere instead of hopping back on JarJar when the wagon dropped from L-1 to L-2. Instead she put him back at L-1

JarJar also really pushed her on her reaction test. I don't really see that as a SvS interaction, but I could be wrong.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:55 am

In post 1905, RadiantCowbells wrote:Uhh. When do scum ever eliminate their partners from even being in their lynchpool?

I guess. I just think if he was scum he didn't have any reason to eliminate my slot from the lynchpool.

Plus his case on Sheep is probably the towniest thing I've seen, and it's exactly right.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:57 am

I just think it's far more likely it wasn't a double bus by uzi and nancy when there was ample opportunity for the jar wagon to derail. Especially given some of the associatives I've pointed out...it would have been very easy to hop on me instead.

Plus I really don't think the three leading wagons to end the day were all on scum, while scum double-bussed their buddy.

It's just VCA, but VCA is useful.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:01 am

2.7

[L-6]

Grendel -

[L-6]

Akarin -

[L-6]

Rautherdir

-

[LYNCH ACHIEVED]

JarJarDrinks

- Akarin, Grendel, color=red]Lil Uzi Vert[/color],

nancy

,

Rautherdir

,

Fro99er

[L-3]

Lil Uzi Vert

- mattblackguy, Keyser Söze,

RadiantCowbells

[L-4]

nancy

- Cooperative Sheep,

JarJarDrinks

[L-6]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-6]

Keyser Söze -

[L-6]

Fro99er

-

[L-6]

mattblackguy -

[L-6]

RadiantCowbells

-

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:01 am

I really don't see that as happening

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:01 am

In post 1915, Fro99er wrote:2.7

[L-6]

Grendel -

[L-6]

Akarin -

[L-6]

Rautherdir
-

[LYNCH ACHIEVED]

JarJarDrinks
- Akarin, Grendel,
Lil Uzi Vert
,
nancy
,
Rautherdir
,
Fro99er

[L-3]

Lil Uzi Vert
- mattblackguy, Keyser Söze,
RadiantCowbells

[L-4]

nancy
- Cooperative Sheep,
JarJarDrinks

[L-6]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-6]

Keyser Söze -

[L-6]

Fro99er
-

[L-6]

mattblackguy -

[L-6]

RadiantCowbells
-

EBWOP

doesn't seem likely...but I won't rule it out I guess.

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:07 am

In post 984, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 980, Transcend wrote:Jjd and rc is tvt
TvT is something usually used to describe 2 people who are scumreading each other. I'm only pushing RC. This feels like a misrep of what's happening in the game.

Not to mention the fact that you've already said that you townread us both. Which makes this post pointless.

And you ignored what I said about how you townreading both RC and Matt makes no sense. Feel like responding?

In post 986, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 985, Cooperative Sheep wrote:Still think Transcend is very scummy.
Yeah. Especially how he ignored that post of mine after going on and on about how he wanted someone to case matt:
In post 933, Transcend wrote:Sorta

What's the case on matt tho
In post 935, Transcend wrote:Is there no actual case on the dude
In post 939, Transcend wrote:Unless I'm given a case that could negate my theory then i probably won't waver my read.

In post 987, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 939, Transcend wrote:Unless I'm given a case that could negate my theory then i probably won't waver my read.
Lol, here's his theory:
In post 928, Transcend wrote:I feel it's mostly just gut like i really can't explain this one, but everything about this guy screams "mislynch!"

In post 988, JarJarDrinks wrote:VOTE: Transcend

I'm also not sure why Jar would abandon his vote of you, RC, just to push his buddy over

this

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:08 am

Or what if it's MBG/Sheep/Jar ... then the only bus is MBG on Jar D1 and he abandoned it conveniently on D2.

And EVERYONE called him out for it (well, Grendel, Uzi, myself did)

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:41 pm

In post 1934, nancy wrote:There are just 3 votes on Fro99er right now and I don't think anyone else has voted anyone.

I'm voting MBG

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:14 pm

yo I'll lynch mbg or sheep

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:15 pm

I'm not a sheep

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:16 pm

In post 1961, nancy wrote:Honestly it kinda baffles me how anyone is paranoid about this slot considering what I did D1 but it's whatever.

Youbwerent here D1 :p

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:21 pm

In post 1956, RadiantCowbells wrote:LUV is still to me the worst of all the slots currently in game;

I'm actually glad you are voting me over Uzi

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:23 pm

In post 1971, nancy wrote:Eh the lynch was kinda sealed before frog replaced in imo

I WONT LET YOU TAKE THAT AWAY FROM ME

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:24 pm

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:40 pm

In post 1977, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 1970, Fro99er wrote:
In post 1956, RadiantCowbells wrote:LUV is still to me the worst of all the slots currently in game;
I'm actually glad you are voting me over Uzi
idg your hard townread there any more than i got your hard scumread on JJD. walk me through why those reads are/were so strong?

JarJar was pure meta. There's no way he just latches into fake claims and wuickhammers as town. He thinks far better than that as town. You were in AngryPig's game with us. Yes it's a bit burdened by proficiency that I'm doing to him, but it's less so that and more so his read on you was really one-dimensional and was all about your claim. Which he should realize is something you can do as both alignments, yet he never gave the town option consideration. Plus there were some associatives with MBG and sheep which is obviously not that credible of a reason to you. But to me it counted a bit.

Uzi is harder to explain. Can you not see how his push in Sheep is actually really good? I think so anyway. I get what youbsee between him and Jar, but I think it's more than offset by other town things like that push. I get it from your point of view. I'm just quite convinced and I honestly cannot explain it any further. And if Matt is scum (which I think he is) Uzi is 100% clear

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:43 pm

Sorry for type-o's. Phone

Fro99er · Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:45 pm

In post 1982, RadiantCowbells wrote:I mean I get that. I saw it too. Part of the problem is I'm just so fucking used to being deathtunneled by town over nothing that it's really hard for me to confidently call shit pushes on me scum.

Well Jar doesn't do that as town. That's just not how he plays. So even if others do that to you, Jar doing that to you doesn't make sense from town!him

Just like you wouldn't want me saying "well I do this as scum so you must be scum" don't say "well others do this to me as town so Jar must be town"

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:45 am

Oh hai scum

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 11:46 am

How about reading my case today then.

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:02 pm

In post 1752, RadiantCowbells wrote:oh: and that's why I outed as BP.

because no one would believe me when I outed as BP.

So matt jailed the cop and gave him no chance to get a result?

Or do you think he jailed Rauth as scum and scum shot RC?

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:06 pm

Town jailkeeper should have tried to jail scum to prevent the kill, not the cop. That way the cop could possibly still live AND set a result.

This is a scumclaim from Matt

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:07 pm

Like why wouldn't he jail me or whoever he thinks is my buddy (btw matt who do you think my buddy is) if he was so sure I'm scum. Because it's obvious Rauth would try to check me last night.

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:11 pm

I don't think he got three heads

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:11 pm

Oh i read that backward

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:13 pm

In post 2050, mattblackguy wrote:>Frogger enters game
>Frogger says Jar is scum
>Frogger says he has never been more confident in a scumread before.
>Frogger says by association with Jar, Matt is scum
>Frogger says he is not sure if Jar is scum, and could be wrong
>Frogger pushes Matt on association with Jar even though he is not too sure if Jar is scum

The train of thought makes no sense. If Frogger was town he wouldn't be pushing me after he said wasn't too sure of Jar. Not sure how many ways I can post this until people understand it. Frogger is not town.

This is also not an accurate representation.

My push later was not based off association with Jar. It was for keeps it his lynch options open, and for having me and Uzi as two confscum. I know i'm town and I know Uzi is town

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:16 pm

Jailing the cop makes NO sense as town. Sure if you are town you could prevent a kill, but you also guarantee the cop doesn't get a result. Preventing one kill doesn't gain us another night. You'd have to be successful twice at preventing kills

But if you truly to jail scum you have a chance to prevent the kill AND give the cop a chance to get an important result.

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:16 pm

In post 2060, mattblackguy wrote:
In post 2053, Fro99er wrote:This is a scumclaim from Matt
This is a scumclaim from frogger

That's the best you got?

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:19 pm

RC are you x-shot BP, and if so do you get told if you absorbed a shot?

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:24 pm

In post 872, mattblackguy wrote:I understand what you're saying RC. You're going for the mislynch on me, and night kill on JarJar, so you can easily coast to victory.

In post 873, RadiantCowbells wrote:Why would I nightkill JarJar? There's an obvious nightkill in this day phase for RC!Scum and it's not JarJar.

In post 874, mattblackguy wrote:Because JarJar is the only person that will strongly push a lynch on you later in the game.

This makes matt look really bad too.

I'm pretty sure he and Jar NK'd someone their than RC to leave the Cop deal a reason to push RC. Then they didn't believe RC's BP and jailed Rauth and shot RC.

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:26 pm

In post 2065, Keyser Söze wrote:Don't ask that Frogger. That information is best kept secret.

No because if RC is told they got shot then it basically confirms matt as scum. It strongly implies scum jailed Rauth and tried to kill RC.

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:28 pm

In post 2066, Rautherdir wrote:The goal for the jailkeeper is to stop the kill. It isn't as important for me to get an investigation as it is to prevent a night kill.

If there is a cop involved I disaagree. Giving the cop a chance to get a guilty is far more important

Stopping 1 kill does little, as it doesn't gain us a day/night cycle. If we were on evensies, I'd agree because it gains is a day/night cycle. But we're on oddsies

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:32 pm

In post 2067, Rautherdir wrote:In other words answer this:

Do you get told if you were shot?

Yeah this.

Don't care about the x-shot pet. Just seems OP to be a full BP

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:35 pm

Being a full BP would cause me to question Matt as well.

A full BP (stops kills), a full jailkeeper (stops kills/roleblocks), a cop, and a backup cop is really fucking strong for town. Would need to be a strong scumteam, but we've only flipped a goon.

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:36 pm

Matt who did you jail D1 and why

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:40 pm

In post 2075, Fro99er wrote:Matt who did you jail D1 and why

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:42 pm

In post 2081, Keyser Söze wrote:Yes, he was a mass s/read.

Matt, answer Frogger's question: who did you protect N1?

And why did you choose that person

This should be at the top of your head

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:43 pm

I think matt is trying to think about it.

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:51 pm

I asked at 7:36. You replied to Nancy's very next post but ignored mine at the fucking pagetop. There's no way you couldn't have seen it

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:52 pm

Or I guess 6:36 in your time zone

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:54 pm

In post 2093, mattblackguy wrote:I saw it, but you're doing whatever you can to try to push the mislynch on me so I don't care about answering scum's questions.

This is a load of shit.

"I'll only answer this if someone other than frog asks it"

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:59 pm

So we have:

BP
Cop
Backup Cop
Jailkeeper

If there's any other PRs then they are basically a CC to Matt and should 1v1

There is ZERO chance town have 5 PRs given the strength of these PRs

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:00 pm

I also think it's pretty suspicious we have two roles that can stop kills. And RC is confirmed town.

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:44 pm

In post 2115, RadiantCowbells wrote:Uhh you're badly overestimating how powerful town is in this game.

No, I don't. Only limited shot bps ever do.

So you're a full BP...

???

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:50 pm

In post 2119, RadiantCowbells wrote:Fro99er right now feels like scum who is crying because they feel the setup is town sided or smth.

Lol nope. I'm solving the game for you and you don't realize it.

Flip me

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:51 pm

VOTE: Fro99er

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:52 pm

In post 2124, RadiantCowbells wrote:UNVOTE:

*thinking*

what if its just scum jailkeeper?

THATS WHAT IM SAYING

They jailed Rauth and shot you

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:53 pm

My flip will be good for town.

Flip ke

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:53 pm

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:54 pm

And scum would only shoot you if they knew they could block/jail Rauth

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:56 pm

I have looked at both sides.

I even posted about how town would be OP if you were a town Jailkeeper

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:56 pm

I looked at if you were a town jailkeeper it would make so much more sense to jail me or whoever you think is my buddy (which you haven't answered by the way)

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:57 pm

Freaking flip me so you all can lynch matt tomorrow.

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:00 pm

I truly honestly believe lynching me is the best thing for town aside from lynching matt

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:12 pm

Opinion.

But I'm positive of it

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:13 pm

@Mod can you prod sheep. It's been 48 hours since day start

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:20 pm

Deep.

Missed it

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:21 pm

*Derp

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:34 pm

In post 2135, Cooperative Sheep wrote:Hello all - sorry, lost internet connectivity for a few days.
Will properly catch up tomorrow, pinky swear!

Just reading this page, I have no interest in the Frog flip, just saying. Matt flip sounds okay, so does Grendel, but it sounds like everyone is claiming everything - valid thoughts will come Saturday.

This sounds like sheep wants to stay off ke because he knows I'm going to flip town. It's a great way to have one scum on and one scum off my wagon

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:35 pm

*off me.

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:37 pm

You da bomb

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:30 pm

Pine steals the pagetop.

Sure I'll take this pagetop

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 4:53 pm

In post 2155, RadiantCowbells wrote:can we just lynch LUV or something

No.

Because when he flips town you'll just accuse me of being scum who knew he was town

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 4:54 pm

In post 2159, Fro99er wrote:
In post 2155, RadiantCowbells wrote:can we just lynch LUV or something
No.

Because when he flips town you'll just accuse me of being scum who knew he was town

I can't win either way.

Either I'm scum who knew he was town or I'm his scumbuddy if he flips scum.

Just lynch me

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:19 pm

In post 2164, mattblackguy wrote:
In post 2163, Grendel wrote:I almost want to gamble and say that he is the scum rb. Since role blocking Ruath as scum makes sense. And the over all distribution of town power also makes the jk claim tough to shallow.
So you think scum decided to nokill?

What is this

Scum shot RC

Stop pretending to play dumb

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:20 pm

In post 2165, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 2163, Grendel wrote:I almost want to gamble and say that he is the scum rb. Since role blocking Ruath as scum makes sense. And the over all distribution of town power also makes the jk claim tough to shallow.

Unless the remaining two scum are buff.

How strong is a full BP considered to be in mini normal?
Not particularly.

The NRG thinks a full BP is pretty overpowered

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bulletproof

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:22 pm

In post 2167, RadiantCowbells wrote:BP is an unprovable usually scum claim. And unless it goes to someone dangerous it is usually not a huge deal for scum.

It's OP Because the only way it dies is by lynch. Especialky OP with a cop because if It becomes conftown then It goes to lylo as a conftown

That's OP unless scum have a blocker

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:23 pm

Townies with unlimited Bulletproof are very rare because they can generally only be killed by the lynch. One common breaking combination is Bulletproof+Cop,

Pine isn't a bad mod and NRG wouldn't allow BP+Cop unless scum has a blocker

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:27 pm

In post 2173, RadiantCowbells wrote:But scum could have a blocker

That's what a jailkeeper is

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:33 pm

This is dumb

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:33 pm

In post 2181, RadiantCowbells wrote:I don't want your slot in LyLo. JJD may have set it up but the way he was only pushing back against you makes me feel like you're his scumbuddy hard bussing him.

And then who is scum with Nancy?

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:56 pm

In post 2184, RadiantCowbells wrote:Basically anyone could be.

VCA doesn't support this

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:17 pm

In post 2193, nancy wrote:Fro99er how did you get a scumread on JJD so quickly after replacing in? Your first read is "JJD is probably scum" in your 3rd ISO post. 1433

How many times do i have to say this.

I've played with town Jar 3 times when i was town so i've had to figure out his town game.

This wasn't it. He doesn't give shallow reads like he did on RC.

Town Jar figures out if RC could have fake claimed D1 as town. Period.

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:21 pm

In post 2193, nancy wrote:Why did you choose to give a running commentary as you were doing your catchup read? 1431, 1432, 1434

Because I replaced in and was giving my thoughts as I read them

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:25 pm

In post 2193, nancy wrote:Why did you claim in 1444 when there was no pressure on your slot?

Because if I claim and it doesn't jive with my predecessors then that's not good. So I basciallybclaimed right away to show you all that that if my predecessor claimed that it jives with mine

And if they didn't then me claiming VT doesn't hurt town

Why did you claim VT so soon after replacing in?

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:26 pm

In post 2193, nancy wrote:Why did you focus so heavily on your read of LUV? You didn't really go into significant detail on other slots.

Because I developed a strong read there.

I've already said why

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:46 pm

In post 2199, nancy wrote:Have you played without anyone else besides RC?

I assume you mean *with*

If so, yes. Jar as I said, and keyser and Uzi

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:47 pm

So I guess it also makes sense I gravitated toward reading those four pretty quickly

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:48 pm

Oh and sheep

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:07 pm

Nancy is town

Fro99er · Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:08 pm

Anyway. Wake me up when someone is lynched

It's MBG and sheep and I'm done with this game until y'all figure it out

Fro99er · Sat Feb 18, 2017 5:00 am

Nancy already claimed VT

Fro99er · Sat Feb 18, 2017 5:02 am

In post 2220, Cooperative Sheep wrote:I won't help lynch Frogg, that is dumb.

Why is lynching me dumb?

Fro99er · Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:37 am

@mod VLA until Tuesday but I'll probably be able to post here and there. More LA than V. Posted to all games

Noted.

Fro99er · Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:32 pm

In post 2231, nancy wrote:This massclaim is a farce. It's Gredndel/Sheep. Anyone who doesn't see this is blind.

In post 2250, nancy wrote:Oh hey I just found out that I actually suck at this game. So RC you're a doublevote for as long as I'm alive. I'm not giving any more reads on anything. Not voting myself because it's against my wincon.

UNVOTE:

Fro99er · Sat Feb 18, 2017 9:17 pm

Fro99er · Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:55 pm

alright, game over in another game.

sheep is scum by meta too

i'll talk more later tonight -- just got back from a weekend of doing stuff

Fro99er · Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:18 pm

In post 2350, Grendel wrote:This bothers me a lot b/c I thought for sure that when Frogger said that his lynch would clear LUV that the two had some funky role like Oracle that would clear another player post death. Or if not that they were neighbors.

No

I'm a VT with a strong read

Fro99er · Mon Feb 20, 2017 6:33 pm

This is the meta on sheep

In post 1809, Fro99er wrote:
In post 499, Cooperative Sheep wrote:
In post 436, Transcend wrote:What's the Grendel lynch about
I think it's about pressure and consensus.
And if you read sheep's ISO, he never actually pressures Grendel, other than with a vote. He just votes him and leaves it there and tells people it's about pressure, but DOESN'T ACTUALLY PRESSURE GRENDEL DIRECTLY BY PUSHING HIM OR ASKING HIM QUESITONS OR TRYING TO FIND SCUMMY PLAY FROM HIM.

There's more from sheep later. I just wanted to point this out.

now go look at his and my hydra's interaction in this game (my hydra is called sibling's quarrel): http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=70384

Especially this part where he votes Sesq for the lolz and for pressure:

In post 104, Cooperative Sheep wrote:How about we try to get Sesq to actually do something relevant to the game - or flash wagon him for funsises! Either way, we win.

Vote: Sesq

but then doesn't actually go pressure him until we call him out on it.

There's more

Sheep knows I pressure him hard, so I think he's trying to placate me here (just read his responses to me here on D3) because he knows I'll shove a lynch down his throat if he's scum. I've been WAITING for that game to end so I can shove this lynch down his throat. He's fucking scum here, and he's fucking scum with matt. (BTW that vote from matt onto sheep is terrible). However, sheep couldn't have known I was going to replace in, so before I replaced in he made that tell that he made in the other game with me (the pressure with a vote but no follow up). Had he known I was going to be here, he probably would have chosen something different,

but that's how he plays

. He fakes pressure as a vote, then does little to follow up.

Fro99er · Mon Feb 20, 2017 6:38 pm

In post 2135, Cooperative Sheep wrote:Hello all - sorry, lost internet connectivity for a few days.
Will properly catch up tomorrow, pinky swear!

Just reading this page, I have no interest in the Frog flip, just saying. Matt flip sounds okay, so does Grendel, but it sounds like everyone is claiming everything - valid thoughts will come Saturday.

In post 2220, Cooperative Sheep wrote:@Frogger - you have as your lynch pool Matt --> me if Matt flips scum, but Matt --> Keyser if Matt flips town. How does town Matt make me more town?

@Nancy - what goalposts did I move in scumreading you? That's BS.

@Keyser - literally almosthalf the posts I make include me stating my top scumspects, and other players are complaining that I'm vote parking - I think it is super clear who i want lynched at any given moment.

I think we should mass claim, quite frankly. I think this somuch I'm just going to start popcorning, and to hell with anyone who disagrees.

Claim: VT
Popcorn - Nancy

Unless anyone seriously has an issue with this considering the claims on the table, let's lock in.

I understand Frogg's issue with Matt's stated actions, but can see how Matt could do what he said he did as town - it's basically my reason the the abrupt massclaim demand, if we get no other PR claims then I think Matt is actually not a lynch I support today, if we get even one other then I'd vote park him until he was lynched.
I agree with whoever said Nancy felt like she was egging on Frogger/RC - the only thing I've liked about her slot posting is pointing out how the team du jour of me, Matt, Jar requires bad play - this is something I (duh) agree with, but I actually don't think there's a lot of evidence to support the stance, so find it iffy she's advancing it as an idea.
I agree with the case for Akarin town. I wouldn't help that lynch at all. I won't help lynch Frogg, that is dumb. I have my lynch pool as Grendel, LUV, and Nancy in no particular order I can describe.

In post 2223, Cooperative Sheep wrote:
In post 2221, Fro99er wrote:Nancy already claimed VT
Then she should have no trouble confirming that claim and popcorning.

In post 2222, Fro99er wrote:
In post 2220, Cooperative Sheep wrote:I won't help lynch Frogg, that is dumb.
Why is lynching me dumb?
Your concept that your lynch clears anyone is nonsensical in a world where people believe you bussed, if that was a bus, then who is going to legit claim that your other interactions are anything but scum theatre? Hence - it is dumb if you're town, because it clears nothing. If you claim scum I'll agree your lynch is a good idea.

LOOK AT HOW THIS DUDE IS TRYING TO BE ALL "I DONT WANT TO LYNCH FROG" CRAP

WHAT IS HIS FUCKING REASON FOR THAT? THERE ISN'T ONE

Fro99er · Mon Feb 20, 2017 6:45 pm

Sheep and MBG are scum

MBG claimed jailkeeper
RC claimed BP
Gerry was lynched as cop D1
Rauth is backup cop who has an innocent on RC

Jar Jar got lynched D2 as scum goon

I'm VT, Sheep is VT, Nancy is VT. Might be a couple other VTs i'm missing.

I strongly think Uzi is town.

Fro99er · Mon Feb 20, 2017 6:49 pm

In post 2365, Fro99er wrote:Sheep is VT

and by is VT I mean claimed VT

Fro99er · Mon Feb 20, 2017 6:50 pm

In post 2351, Grendel wrote:umm, as the player this game with the most prior experience with me... I'd think I'd be pretty OB town to you by the time you made this post.

not everybody is as good with meta as you and I are.

Fro99er · Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:05 pm

In post 2368, nancy wrote:Fro99er stop scumslipping.

THEN VOTE ME

Fro99er · Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:05 pm

i'm so tired of this game

might just replace

Fro99er · Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:08 pm

VOTE: mbg whatever

i'll vote mbg or sheep. that's it

Fro99er · Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:09 pm

/inb4 frog stopped voting himself

Fro99er · Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:13 pm

I don't even know what you're talking about

Fro99er · Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:32 pm

what's your point about 1586?

Fro99er · Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:33 pm

In post 1586, Fro99er wrote:
In post 673, Pine wrote:
==> Vote Count 1.5 (FINAL) <==

With 13 votes in play, it's 7 to lynch!

Given his name, it should come as no surprise that this was the most favored method of execution by Vlad the Impaler. In 15th century Romania; the victim was forced to sit on a sharp and thick pole. When the pole was then raised upright, the victim was left to slide down the pole with their own weight. It could take the victim 3 days to die using this method and it has been said that Vlad once did this to 20,000 people all while enjoying a meal.

[L-7]

Alisae -

[L-6]

Grendel - Cooperative Sheep,

[L-7]

Akarin -

[L-7]

Rautherdir -

[LYNCH ACHIEVED]

gerryoat - RadiantCowbells, Alisae, Grendel, Lil Uzi Vert, Transcend, JarJarDrinks, Vifam

[L-6]

JarJarDrinks - mattblackguy

[L-7]

Lil Uzi Vert -

[L-7]

Transcend -

[L-7]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-7]

Keyser Söze -

[L-6]

Vifam - gerryoat

[L-7]

mattblackguy -

[L-7]

RadiantCowbells -

Waiting for their DOOM
- Akarin, Keyser Söze, Rautherdir

Day 1 ends NOW
Hey look at the last two votes on the Gerry wagon.

It should be between myself and Jar Jar as to who bussed

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:35 am

Uzi is still town

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:36 am

In post 1816, Fro99er wrote:
Spoiler: VCA with only confirmed when Frog flips town
1.1

[L-6]

Alisae
-
gerryoat

[L-5]

Grendel - Keyser Söze, mattblackguy

[L-6]

Akarin -
Rautherdir

[L-4]

Rautherdir
-
Vifam
,
Alisae
, Transcend

[L-7]

gerryoat
-

[L-7]

JarJarDrinks
-

[L-7]

Lil Uzi Vert -

[L-7]

Transcend -

[L-7]

Soumil07 -

[L-7]

Keyser Söze -

[L-7]

Vifam
-

[L-5]

mattblackguy -
RadiantCowbells
, Lil Uzi Vert

[L-6]

RadiantCowbells
-
JarJarDrinks

In post 173, Pine wrote:
In post 169, Alisae wrote:I might go dig up a vote count of what the Matt wagon looked like when it was big cuz that's important.

[L-2]

mattblackguy -
RadiantCowbells
,
Vifam
, Keyser Söze, Lil Uzi Vert, Transcend

Done. This was its peak.

1.2

[L-7]

Alisae
-

[L-4]

Grendel - Keyser Söze, mattblackguy, Cooperative Sheep

[L-7]

Akarin -

[L-5]

Rautherdir
-
Vifam
, Transcend

[L-5]

gerryoat
-
RadiantCowbells
,
Alisae

[L-7]

JarJarDrinks
-

[L-7]

Lil Uzi Vert -

[L-7]

Transcend -

[L-7]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-7]

Keyser Söze -

[L-7]

Vifam
-

[L-6]

mattblackguy - Lil Uzi Vert

[L-6]

RadiantCowbells
-
JarJarDrinks
,

1.3

[L-7]

Alisae
-

[L-5]

Grendel - Cooperative Sheep,
JarJarDrinks

[L-7]

Akarin -

[L-6]

Rautherdir
- Transcend

[L-4]

gerryoat
-
RadiantCowbells
,
Alisae
, Grendel

[L-5]

JarJarDrinks
-
Vifam
, mattblackguy

[L-7]

Lil Uzi Vert -

[L-6]

Transcend -
Rautherdir

[L-7]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-7]

Keyser Söze -

[L-6]

Vifam
-
gerryoat

[L-6]

mattblackguy - Lil Uzi Vert

[L-7]

RadiantCowbells
-

1.4

[L-7]

Alisae
-

[L-5]

Grendel - Cooperative Sheep,
JarJarDrinks

[L-7]

Akarin -

[L-7]

Rautherdir
-

[L-2]

gerryoat
-
RadiantCowbells
,
Alisae
, Grendel, Lil Uzi Vert, Transcend

[L-5]

JarJarDrinks
-
Vifam
, mattblackguy

[L-7]

Lil Uzi Vert -

[L-7]

Transcend -

[L-7]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-7]

Keyser Söze -

[L-6]

Vifam
-
gerryoat

[L-7]

mattblackguy -

[L-7]

RadiantCowbells
-

1.5 (FINAL)

[L-7]

Alisae
-

[L-6]

Grendel - Cooperative Sheep,

[L-7]

Akarin -

[L-7]

Rautherdir
-

[LYNCH ACHIEVED]

gerryoat
-
RadiantCowbells
,
Alisae
, Grendel, Lil Uzi Vert, Transcend,
JarJarDrinks
,
Vifam

[L-6]

JarJarDrinks
- mattblackguy

[L-7]

Lil Uzi Vert -

[L-7]

Transcend -

[L-7]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-7]

Keyser Söze -

[L-6]

Vifam
-
gerryoat

[L-7]

mattblackguy -

[L-7]

RadiantCowbells
-

2.1

[L-6]

Grendel -

[L-6]

Akarin -

[L-6]

Rautherdir
-

[L-6]

JarJarDrinks
-

[L-6]

Lil Uzi Vert -

[L-5]

Transcend - Cooperative Sheep

[L-5]

Cooperative Sheep - Transcend

[L-6]

Keyser Söze -

[L-6]

Vifam
- Grendel

[L-3]

mattblackguy -
RadiantCowbells
, Keyser Söze, Lil Uzi Vert

[L-4]

RadiantCowbells
-
JarJarDrinks
, mattblackguy

2.2

[L-6]

Grendel -

[L-5]

Akarin - Vifam

[L-4]

Rautherdir
-
RadiantCowbells
, Transcend

[L-6]

JarJarDrinks
-

[L-6]

Lil Uzi Vert -

[L-3]

Transcend - Cooperative Sheep,
Rautherdir
,
JarJarDrinks

[L-6]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-6]

Keyser Söze -

[L-5]

Vifam
- Akarin

[L-4]

mattblackguy - Keyser Söze, Lil Uzi Vert

[L-5]

RadiantCowbells
- mattblackguy

2.3

[L-6]

Grendel -

[L-6]

Akarin -

[L-5]

Rautherdir
- Transcend

[L-6]

JarJarDrinks
-

[L-6]

Lil Uzi Vert -

[L-1]

Transcend - Cooperative Sheep,
Rautherdir
,
JarJarDrinks
,
Vifam
,
RadiantCowbells

[L-6]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-6]

Keyser Söze -

[L-4]

Vifam
- Akarin, mattblackguy

[L-4]

mattblackguy - Keyser Söze, Lil Uzi Vert

[L-6]

RadiantCowbells
-

2.4

[L-6]

Grendel -

[L-6]

Akarin -

[L-6]

Rautherdir
-

[L-6]

JarJarDrinks
-

[L-6]

Lil Uzi Vert -

[L-1]

Transcend - Cooperative Sheep,
Rautherdir
,
JarJarDrinks
,
Vifam
,
RadiantCowbells

[L-6]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-6]

Keyser Söze -

[L-3]

Vifam
- Akarin, mattblackguy, Transcend

[L-4]

mattblackguy - Keyser Söze, Lil Uzi Vert

[L-6]

RadiantCowbells
-

2.5

[L-6]

Grendel -

[L-6]

Akarin -

[L-6]

Rautherdir
-

[L-4]

JarJarDrinks
- Akarin,
RadiantCowbells

[L-5]

Lil Uzi Vert - mattblackguy

[L-5]

nancy - Cooperative Sheep

[L-6]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-6]

Keyser Söze -

[L-6]

Vifam
-

[L-5]

mattblackguy - Keyser Söze

[L-5]

RadiantCowbells
- nancy

2.6

[L-6]

Grendel -

[L-6]

Akarin -

[L-6]

Rautherdir
-

[L-1]

JarJarDrinks
- Akarin, nancy, Grendel, Lil Uzi Vert,
Fro99er

[L-3]

Lil Uzi Vert - mattblackguy, Keyser Söze,
RadiantCowbells

[L-4]

nancy - Cooperative Sheep,
JarJarDrinks

[L-6]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-6]

Keyser Söze -

[L-6]

Fro99er
-

[L-6]

mattblackguy -

[L-6]

RadiantCowbells
-

2.7

[L-6]

Grendel -

[L-6]

Akarin -

[L-6]

Rautherdir
-

[LYNCH ACHIEVED]

JarJarDrinks
- Akarin, Grendel, Lil Uzi Vert, nancy,
Rautherdir
,
Fro99er

[L-3]

Lil Uzi Vert - mattblackguy, Keyser Söze,
RadiantCowbells

[L-4]

nancy - Cooperative Sheep,
JarJarDrinks

[L-6]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-6]

Keyser Söze -

[L-6]

Fro99er
-

[L-6]

mattblackguy -

[L-6]

RadiantCowbells
-

Vote Count 2.7 above shows that Uzi was the counterwagon to JarJar, and if we assume Keyser is town (I think a reasonable assumption) then MBG is scum and Uzi is town. If MBG is scum, then my post 1805 shows Grendel is 100% town and my post 1815 shows Keyser is 100% town (which fits with the assumption).

The alternative is that Keyser is scum if Matt flips town
, and that would make sense given how they voted together D1 (and keyser voted matt), and then voted against each other D2, but ultimately ended up on the same wagon in Vote Count 2.7. They basically have to be opposite teams, so if Matt flips town it's almost guaranteed Keyser is scum.

But we can come to that game state later. First let's work with Matt!scum -- then Keyser, Uzi, and Grendel are town. So now I will redo the VCA with those colored in...

Spoiler: VCA with Uzi, Keyser, and Grendel as town and MBG as scum
1.1

[L-6]

Alisae
-
gerryoat

[L-5]

Grendel
-
Keyser Söze
,
mattblackguy

[L-6]

Akarin -
Rautherdir

[L-4]

Rautherdir
-
Vifam
,
Alisae
, Transcend

[L-7]

gerryoat
-

[L-7]

JarJarDrinks
-

[L-7]

Lil Uzi Vert
-

[L-7]

Transcend -

[L-7]

Soumil07 -

[L-7]

Keyser Söze
-

[L-7]

Vifam
-

[L-5]

mattblackguy
-
RadiantCowbells
,
Lil Uzi Vert

[L-6]

RadiantCowbells
-
JarJarDrinks

In post 173, Pine wrote:
In post 169, Alisae wrote:I might go dig up a vote count of what the Matt wagon looked like when it was big cuz that's important.

[L-2]

mattblackguy
-
RadiantCowbells
,
Vifam
,
Keyser Söze
,
Lil Uzi Vert
, Transcend

Done. This was its peak.

1.2

[L-7]

Alisae
-

[L-4]

Grendel
-
Keyser Söze
,
mattblackguy
, Cooperative Sheep

[L-7]

Akarin -

[L-5]

Rautherdir
-
Vifam
, Transcend

[L-5]

gerryoat
-
RadiantCowbells
,
Alisae

[L-7]

JarJarDrinks
-

[L-7]

Lil Uzi Vert
-

[L-7]

Transcend -

[L-7]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-7]

Keyser Söze
-

[L-7]

Vifam
-

[L-6]

mattblackguy
-
Lil Uzi Vert

[L-6]

RadiantCowbells
-
JarJarDrinks
,

1.3

[L-7]

Alisae
-

[L-5]

Grendel
- Cooperative Sheep,
JarJarDrinks

[L-7]

Akarin -

[L-6]

Rautherdir
- Transcend

[L-4]

gerryoat
-
RadiantCowbells
,
Alisae
,
Grendel

[L-5]

JarJarDrinks
-
Vifam
,
mattblackguy

[L-7]

Lil Uzi Vert
-

[L-6]

Transcend -
Rautherdir

[L-7]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-7]

Keyser Söze
-

[L-6]

Vifam
-
gerryoat

[L-6]

mattblackguy
-
Lil Uzi Vert

[L-7]

RadiantCowbells
-

1.4

[L-7]

Alisae
-

[L-5]

Grendel
- Cooperative Sheep,
JarJarDrinks

[L-7]

Akarin -

[L-7]

Rautherdir
-

[L-2]

gerryoat
-
RadiantCowbells
,
Alisae
,
Grendel
,
Lil Uzi Vert
, Transcend

[L-5]

JarJarDrinks
-
Vifam
,
mattblackguy

[L-7]

Lil Uzi Vert
-

[L-7]

Transcend -

[L-7]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-7]

Keyser Söze
-

[L-6]

Vifam
-
gerryoat

[L-7]

mattblackguy
-

[L-7]

RadiantCowbells
-

1.5 (FINAL)

[L-7]

Alisae
-

[L-6]

Grendel
- Cooperative Sheep,

[L-7]

Akarin -

[L-7]

Rautherdir
-

[LYNCH ACHIEVED]

gerryoat
-
RadiantCowbells
,
Alisae
,
Grendel
,
Lil Uzi Vert
, Transcend,
JarJarDrinks
,
Vifam

[L-6]

JarJarDrinks
-
mattblackguy

[L-7]

Lil Uzi Vert
-

[L-7]

Transcend -

[L-7]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-7]

Keyser Söze
-

[L-6]

Vifam
-
gerryoat

[L-7]

mattblackguy
-

[L-7]

RadiantCowbells
-

2.1

[L-6]

Grendel
-

[L-6]

Akarin -

[L-6]

Rautherdir
-

[L-6]

JarJarDrinks
-

[L-6]

Lil Uzi Vert
-

[L-5]

Transcend - Cooperative Sheep

[L-5]

Cooperative Sheep - Transcend

[L-6]

Keyser Söze
-

[L-6]

Vifam
-
Grendel

[L-3]

mattblackguy
-
RadiantCowbells
,
Keyser Söze
,
Lil Uzi Vert

[L-4]

RadiantCowbells
-
JarJarDrinks
,
mattblackguy

2.2

[L-6]

Grendel
-

[L-5]

Akarin - Vifam

[L-4]

Rautherdir
-
RadiantCowbells
, Transcend

[L-6]

JarJarDrinks
-

[L-6]

Lil Uzi Vert
-

[L-3]

Transcend - Cooperative Sheep,
Rautherdir
,
JarJarDrinks

[L-6]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-6]

Keyser Söze
-

[L-5]

Vifam
- Akarin

[L-4]

mattblackguy
-
Keyser Söze
,
Lil Uzi Vert

[L-5]

RadiantCowbells
-
mattblackguy

2.3

[L-6]

Grendel
-

[L-6]

Akarin -

[L-5]

Rautherdir
- Transcend

[L-6]

JarJarDrinks
-

[L-6]

Lil Uzi Vert
-

[L-1]

Transcend - Cooperative Sheep,
Rautherdir
,
JarJarDrinks
,
Vifam
,
RadiantCowbells

[L-6]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-6]

Keyser Söze
-

[L-4]

Vifam
- Akarin,
mattblackguy

[L-4]

mattblackguy
-
Keyser Söze
,
Lil Uzi Vert

[L-6]

RadiantCowbells
-

2.4

[L-6]

Grendel
-

[L-6]

Akarin -

[L-6]

Rautherdir
-

[L-6]

JarJarDrinks
-

[L-6]

Lil Uzi Vert
-

[L-1]

Transcend - Cooperative Sheep,
Rautherdir
,
JarJarDrinks
,
Vifam
,
RadiantCowbells

[L-6]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-6]

Keyser Söze
-

[L-3]

Vifam
- Akarin,
mattblackguy
, Transcend

[L-4]

mattblackguy
-
Keyser Söze
,
Lil Uzi Vert

[L-6]

RadiantCowbells
-

2.5

[L-6]

Grendel
-

[L-6]

Akarin -

[L-6]

Rautherdir
-

[L-4]

JarJarDrinks
- Akarin,
RadiantCowbells

[L-5]

Lil Uzi Vert
-
mattblackguy

[L-5]

nancy - Cooperative Sheep

[L-6]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-6]

Keyser Söze
-

[L-6]

Vifam
-

[L-5]

mattblackguy
-
Keyser Söze

[L-5]

RadiantCowbells
- nancy

2.6

[L-6]

Grendel
-

[L-6]

Akarin -

[L-6]

Rautherdir
-

[L-1]

JarJarDrinks
- Akarin, nancy,
Grendel
,
Lil Uzi Vert
,
Fro99er

[L-3]

Lil Uzi Vert
-
mattblackguy
,
Keyser Söze
,
RadiantCowbells

[L-4]

nancy - Cooperative Sheep,
JarJarDrinks

[L-6]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-6]

Keyser Söze
-

[L-6]

Fro99er
-

[L-6]

mattblackguy
-

[L-6]

RadiantCowbells
-

2.7

[L-6]

Grendel
-

[L-6]

Akarin -

[L-6]

Rautherdir
-

[LYNCH ACHIEVED]

JarJarDrinks
- Akarin,
Grendel
,
Lil Uzi Vert
, nancy,
Rautherdir
,
Fro99er

[L-3]

Lil Uzi Vert
-
mattblackguy
,
Keyser Söze
,
RadiantCowbells

[L-4]

nancy - Cooperative Sheep,
JarJarDrinks

[L-6]

Cooperative Sheep -

[L-6]

Keyser Söze
-

[L-6]

Fro99er
-

[L-6]

mattblackguy
-

[L-6]

RadiantCowbells
-

Then it comes down to Akarin, Nancy, and Sheep. If we let Akarin be town for post 1806, then it comes down to Nancy and Sheep. Thankfully they cross vote each other in Vote Count 2.1 (when Nancy is still Transcend). It's more likely Nancy is town, because they voted JarJar and Sheep, plus also voting Matt between Vote Count 1.1 and 1.2, meaning they'd have voted for all three scum, although the Nancy/Transcend combo also voted four town in myself/Vifam, Rauth, RC, and Gerry. But that looks more like lost town. Sheep vote parked both days...D1 on Grendel (town) and D2 on Transcend/Nancy. Scum tend to have static reads, and the fact that Sheep didn't really case Grendel or Transcend (ok, he cased Transcend but it was REALLY weak) makes him more likely scum than Transcend/Nancy.

So tl;dr when I die it goes like this (in order):

lynch MBG...
if MBG scum then Sheep -> Nancy -> Akarin is the order for the partner to JJD/MBG. Uzi, Grendel, Keyser are town in this scenario.

if MBG town then Keyser -> ??? -> ??? ... but Uzi is still town in this scenario. I honestly can't narrow down who Keyser's partner would be in this scenario because he's parked on MBG and Uzi D2, and MBG and Grendel D1, and nobody has voted him in any of these Vote Counts.

In a really weird scenario where both MBG and Keyser are town, then 2.7 means Nancy was the counterwagon to scum JarJar, so Sheep is confscum here with either Akarin or Grendel.

Finally, there's some fucked up gamestate where RC and Rauth are both scum with JJD, but I really don't want to think about that. But RC does have that cunning manipulator banner...
Now I am fine with lynching me if you all need to.

Here's VCA for you TB

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:07 am

Can we just lynch sheep

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:10 am

@Mod can we get a VC

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:10 am

In post 2453, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I can get down with that but I'd prefer MBG to be honest.

so do I but everyone's afraid to lynch the jailkeeper

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:11 am

see my point LUV

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:12 am

read my ISO

do you really think town has

a full jailkeeper
a full cop
a backup cop
a full bulletproof?

NO. Plus his associations with 'jar. Plus VCA. Plus his bullshit scumteam theories.

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:13 am

the reason there was no NK isn't because matt jailed rauth.

it's because matt jailed rauth to prevent rauth getting an investigation and shot the bulletproof instead, not realizing RC was ACTUALLY the bulletproof.

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:14 am

it makes no sense for town jailkeeper to jail the claimed cop while on oddsies. He should try to let the cop get an investigation in, and jail scum instead, thereby preventing the kill.

If we were on evensies, sure, it makes sense because that buys us an extra mislynch. But preventing one kill doesn't really help on oddsies.

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:15 am

In post 2463, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 2460, Fro99er wrote:the reason there was no NK isn't because matt jailed rauth.

it's because matt jailed rauth to prevent rauth getting an investigation and shot the bulletproof instead, not realizing RC was ACTUALLY the bulletproof.
Did rauth claim to have gotten roleblocked?

yes

rauth investigated me and got no result

matt claimed the jail of rauth N2 and of Keyser N1

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:15 am

and his claim of jailing keyser N1 doesn't jive with how he approached keyser at the start of D2

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:18 am

we don't have all the claims in yet. What's to say there's not another PR floating around?

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:19 am

VOTE: sheep

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:20 am

nancy - vt
luv - ?
keyser - vt
frog - vt
RC - bp
rauth - backup cop
ThinkBig - ?
Grendel - ?
sheep - vt
matt - jailkeeper

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:22 am

we just need Grendel and luv.

at this point a massclaim is inevitable.

LUV -- what do you claim

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:24 am

that's a fair point RC

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:24 am

In post 2479, RadiantCowbells wrote:Rautherdir, who did you target might I ask?

rauth targeted me and got no result

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:25 am

In post 1779, Rautherdir wrote:Huh. I was not expecting to be alive today.

Anyways, got no result for Fro99er. Guess I got roleblocked.

I'm going to have to figure out who to lynch now, I honestly expected to be posting in the dead thread today.

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:26 am

correct

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:27 am

I need to redo my VCA is luv is scum

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:27 am

In post 2485, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:This makes no sense.

Why are we mass claiming?

to figure out the setup, because setup spec can help us here

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:32 am

In post 2488, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'm a Town Motion Dectector. I targeted Jar N1 and I targeted Anakrin's slot N2.

Did you see anything N1 or N2?

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:37 am

In post 2500, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 2496, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 2494, Fro99er wrote:
In post 2488, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'm a Town Motion Dectector. I targeted Jar N1 and I targeted Anakrin's slot N2.
Did you see anything N1 or N2?
Both didn't perform an action or have one performed on them. That's why I initially doubted my read on Jar going into D2.
Scum slip.

The Motion Detector learns if any actions were performed by or on a player, but not what they were, or who else was involved.
If you are a motion detector, you would know that a motion detector doesn't know what actions that player performed. The fact that you don't know this shows that your claim is bull shit.

that's not a scumslip. he's saying he didn't etiher see and action performed on or by the targeted person.

he never said anything about the specific action.

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:38 am

he stated exactly what a motion detector result would be

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:53 am

I think a town motion detector makes a lot of sense.

it could be used to confirm a cop result (if Motion detector targets the person cop targeted), and it can be used to see if something happened to someone (say Matt jailed Keyser and claimed he didn't, then if motion detector visted keyser he could CC).

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:54 am

In post 2513, ThinkBig wrote:LUV, why did you decide to use your motion detector on my slot instead of the claimed back up cop?

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:55 am

Because LUV is guaranteed to get a yes result on the backup cop turned cop, because the cop was obviously going to take an action.

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:58 am

That said, a scum motion detector is a nerfed scum vanilla cop/Neapolitan. It's a really weak scum role.

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:58 am

In post 2517, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 2515, RadiantCowbells wrote:WHY WOULD HE EVER USE IT ON THE CLAIMED BACK UP COP W T F

VOTE: THINKBIG
Perhaps I'm not understanding the motion detector role correctly. Had he targeted the back up cop, wouldn't he have gotten a jailkeeper result if MBG is being honest about his claim and assuming that he visited rauth?

yeah you don't understand it at all

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:59 am

In post 2521, RadiantCowbells wrote:Good with a roleblocker though!

and with day chat

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:59 am

I think all three though might be too much (motion detector, roleblocker, daychat)

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:00 am

NO

it would just say "an action was performed on or by your target"

not what that action was.

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:00 am

read the freaking wiki

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:02 am

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... n_Detector

The Motion Detector learns if any actions were performed by or on a player, but not what they were, or who else was involved.

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:03 am

VOTE: mbg

if this is scum then we win. If this is town then LUV is scum and we win.

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:04 am

In post 2533, Rautherdir wrote:And if LUV is town?

MBG and LUV can't be town together.

Unless you're scum

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:04 am

In post 2534, RadiantCowbells wrote:if you guys lynch mbg I will policy down the line of people voting for him. he's not going to flip scum.

then you should be voting LUV

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:06 am

There's no way LUV and MBG are town together unless Rauth is scum.

We don't have 5 town PRs

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:08 am

there were odd-night, non-consecutive, weak, and 1-shot

there aren't 4 full town PRs here plus a backup

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:08 am

In post 2540, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:So who's scum then RC?

Fro99er · Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:10 am

In post 2545, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I don't know much about setup speculation but I'm scum reading MBG because the way he claim to use his role does not make sense if you consider how Keyser acted towards the end of D1 and how he treated him at the beginning of D2. You can debate on protecting the cop but targeting Keyser doesn't make sense.

THIS