EBWOP.In post 2023, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:@nancy: Sheep's entire push on your slot is why you're still my strongest town read.
It looks like he couldn't let the satisfaction of lynching Transcend go and now knows he is in deep shit.
As for MBG, it seems like he is just pushing Frog so hard because of how strongly RC's been on his side. With RC being practically confirmed town, piggybacking off of him seems like it's worth the gambit.
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Ok Nancy - I will re-read D2 through your perspective and Sheeps.In post 2020, nancy wrote:I'm saying the motivation is there. I see very few reasons for town!Sheep to completely disappear from thread. I wouldn't even call his tunnel passionate. He was only half-heartedly trying to push me and I didn't see any real defense of JJD either. Can't really see the town motivation there at all.
His scum read of me involved continually manufacturing new justifications, some of which were reachy/NAI, yes.- nancy
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I honestly have issues with {JJD, mbg, Sheep} simply because it's so fucking obvious. Why are both JJD and Sheep voting me when the JJD hammer goes through? We have to assume terrible scumteam play here to allow so many obvious associatives.
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It was in regard JarJar, LUV and Vifam all being on gerry's misslynch wagon.In post 2024, nancy wrote:I was townleaning Vifam. Could you provide the VCA on that?- nancy
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In post 673, Pine wrote:[L-7]Alisae -
[L-6]Grendel -Cooperative Sheep,
[L-7]Akarin -
[L-7]Rautherdir -
[LYNCH ACHIEVED]gerryoat- RadiantCowbells, Alisae, Grendel, Lil Uzi Vert, Transcend,JarJarDrinks, Vifam
[L-6]JarJarDrinks-mattblackguy
[L-7]Lil Uzi Vert -
[L-7]Transcend -
[L-7]Cooperative Sheep-
[L-7]Keyser Söze -
[L-6]Vifam - gerryoat
[L-7]mattblackguy-
[L-7]RadiantCowbells -
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This is utterly terrible scum play to allow such associatives on both day-ending wagons if {JJD, mbg, Sheep}.In post 1744, Pine wrote:[L-6]Grendel -
[L-6]Akarin -
[L-6]Rautherdir -
[LYNCH ACHIEVED]JarJarDrinks- Akarin, Grendel, Lil Uzi Vert, nancy, Rautherdir, Fro99er
[L-3]Lil Uzi Vert -mattblackguy, Keyser Söze, RadiantCowbells
[L-4]nancy -Cooperative Sheep,JarJarDrinks
[L-6]Cooperative Sheep-
[L-6]Keyser Söze -
[L-6]Fro99er -
[L-6]mattblackguy-
[L-6]RadiantCowbells -
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Thanks.In post 2026, nancy wrote:Here are VCs for referencing purposes.
Spoiler: Day 1 VCs
Spoiler: Day 2 VCs
In regard D2 VCA, scum had the choice to bus JarJar (from the point of Rauth town clearing RC, JarJar was a dead man walking). Thus, it wouldn't surprise me if 1 scum bussed him. But I'm not going to lynch someone off the back of that VCA as they could have both chosen to remain on counter wagons (as per your suspicions).
I have more faith in my D1 VCA that the 3 scum wouldn't have all powered through Gerry's misslynch on the same wagon (thus, I can't see 2 scum from Grendel, LUV, you and Frogger). Unless evidence/PoE contradicts that conclusion.- nancy
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My pleasure. I have them saved as draft always.
I think 3 scum on the mislynch is unlikely, yeah.
What was your case on LUV? Posting numbers acceptable.
I have to get to bed really soon.
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Been re-reading your D2 ISO.
If mattblackguy is scum, this is the moment where Akarin absolutely sewed up the JarJarDrinks-mattblackguy scum connection:
In post 1007, Akarin wrote:
What does this even mean? You're scumreading RC, but if RC is town, Matt is definitely scum, even though you're townreading Matt? And you have a problem with Transcend suspecting scum Matt but town RC, but your argument here is basically an argument for scum Matt, town RC?In post 963, JarJarDrinks wrote:It doesn't really make sense that his first reaction to Gerrys flip is that RC was reaction testing. Like shouldn't he have considered that RC was scum that got caught fakeclaiming? Especially considering that he soon starting pushing RC-scum soon after.
RC scum still makes more sense. But Town RC/Town Matt makes no sense.
Why should Town RC imply scum Matt?In post 1008, Akarin wrote:
That's not the argument you made though.In post 966, JarJarDrinks wrote:
I mean I don't think it's impossible for you both to be town. I just think it's ridiculous that transcend can rule BOTH of you out as scum.In post 965, RadiantCowbells wrote:Question JJD: if you can conceive of either of our slots being town and the either scum, then why can't you conceive of both of our slots being town?
Like if either one of our interactions could have been TvS there's no reason why they couldn't have both been and the whole situation being TvT.
So why is that a ridiculous read from Transcend?In post 1013, Akarin wrote:
Yeah, I can see why Matt's post is scummy, but that's not what I'm asking. You said later they could both be town. But exactly as you just said, you think it was terrible for Transcend to be townreading both of them. Which means you think that if RC is town, Matt should be more likely than average to be scum.In post 1011, JarJarDrinks wrote: The statement from Matt is scummy regardless. I've already said that the statement could come from scum matt even if RC is scum as well. But it makes way more sense for scum matt to make it about town RC.
And as I said later, It's not impossible for for them both to be town. My statement was directed @ trans and how terrible it was for him to be townreading the both of them.
But nothing you've said explains that. Why do you think that?In post 1187, Akarin wrote:In post 1175, JarJarDrinks wrote:Akarin- slight scumlean. I feel like a lot of her questions directed @ me are designed to get me to scumread Matt and/or townread RC. Agree w/ her vif and rauth reads though.I wasn't trying to get you to scumread Matt. I was pointing out that your reasoning doesn't make sense. You basically logic yourself into having a scumread on Matt, but then don't actually have one, and now are scumreading me for "trying to get you to have a scumread on Matt."
I'm pointing out that by your logic, you alreadyshouldhave a scumread on Matt, but you don't, you think Matt is town and RC is scum. And regardless of Matt, who honestly I'm not sure how I feel about,thatis scummy.
It's not real logic, it's convenient reads and then logic made up to support them.
Akarin is already a t/lean, but if Matt flips red, Akarin just won the internet.
Even if Matt flips town, Akarin has still won town points for her logical argument versus JarJar.
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Grendel's points regarding scum-Cooperative Sheep:
"Gives piece meal statements about Gerry being a good wagon then votes Grendel b/c, " lol, Its my flavor""
"Has a null read on Keyser. Which means that Sheep is sheeping a null read, while ignoring a wagon started by a town read (RC) on a slot he thinks is a good lynch (Gerry)."
"I don't see how the above points would be hard for scum to come to a conclusion too. I don't see the above points putting him in a position that would be sub optimal for scum."
"The ability to form a logical argument doesn't equate to town."
"I can’t help but feel that you have been manipulative. That behind your woolly façade there is some real scum intent."
"I feel like you're trying to do more to prove me dumb rather then prove me scum."
"I think it is that you are more interested in proving me wrong then proving I'm scum"
"on my rvs wagon"
However:
Do you still hold the same position regarding that 'scum buddy praise'?In post 1234, Grendel wrote:
I think this is a point against Co-opxJarJar team. Usually don't see scum praise a buddy for joining them on a wagon.In post 989, Cooperative Sheep wrote:I like the cut of your jib.
Grendel's changing read on mattblackguy:
[TOWN]
"I think that Matt is town based off of yesterdays wagon construction (On me)."
[SCUM]
"I usually remember when someone town reads me, but for some reason seeing this surprised me."
"Like you reads coming into today seem to have flipped completely."
"I didn't like the move on Vifam by mattblk."
"your whole case is that "My gut says Grendel is town" with no context."
"My scum dream team would be: {JarJar, Mattblk, Sheep}"
Conclusion
- I liked Grendel's developing read on Matt on D2, from ruling him out as scum (with VCA, when looking at his own RVS wagon) to slowly being more paranoid with Matt when Matt started t/reading him too easily.
- I can see why Grendel was s/reading Cooperative Sheep too - he feels Sheep is not trying to sort him and others, instead he suspects Sheep is deflecting attention away from him with arguments over logic than alignment. He fears Sheep is not actually trying to solve the game, instead being more concerned about being 'right'.
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In post 1778, mattblackguy wrote:Alright so here's where we're at with the final 2 scum.
Rauth,RC,Keyser,Grendel,Akarin are all town. Don't need to worry here.
You are in no position to say this. Only Rauth.
There has to be 1 or 2 scum that bussed Jar, because only people that didnt vote him was me(town), Rc(town), Kesyer(town), and Sheep(???)
Scum had the choice to bus but it is not certain. JarJar was a dead man walking, so less townpoints to win. What's your thoughts in regard D1 VCA?
[LYNCH ACHIEVED] JarJarDrinks - Akarin(town), Grendel(town), Lil Uzi Vert(???), nancy(???), Rautherdir(town), Fro99er(???)
This leaves Lil Uzi Vert, nancy, and Frogger as the possible bussers.
All 3 lynched gerryoats. I'm finding it hard to believe all 3 scum would be present on that miss-lynch. Am I being foolish and short-sighted to rule out the possibility?
Possible scumteams(in no particular order):
(1){JarJar,LUV,Frogger}
LUV-Frogger: What do you make of their D3 interactions?
(2){JarJar,Nancy,Frogger}
(3){Jarjar,Sheep,Frogger}
(4){Jarjar,Sheep,LUV}
(5){Jarjar,Sheep,Nancy}
(6){Jarjar,LUV,Nancy}
(1) - I think is the most likely team
(2) - It's possible that Nancy bussed JarJar, and flipped on her reads after Rauth cleared RC, but I don't think that's too likely with how the Transcend wagon shaped out. It would mean both Vifam, and Jar were bussing Transcend for barely anything more than policy reasons. Transcend's lynch was easily avoidable given how little of a case was given on him, so I don't think they'd go with it that easily. Probably least likely team.
(3) - Someone else can go until more detail about this as a possibility. Probably second most likely team
As it's the second most likely team, tell me more about Sheep.
(4) - Idk what to say about this one. Maybe someone else can give some input if they think this is likely.
(5) - For the same reason I think (2) is unlikely I think this one is unlikely.
(6) - This one would be a weird team. Idk the liklihood of this being the team.
Actually now that I think about it more it doesn't look like Nancy would fit well in any team. She's probably not scum.
Why Frogger is scum, and should be lynched today:
1. His entrance of the game reads like a super hard bus on JarJar to try and gain towncred
It looks like a super hard bus, but he won no towncred for exactly those reasons. People still want him dead today.
2. He scumread on me was super weak and nongenuine but tried to push it off as truth. Seriously look at his reasons for scumreading me yesterday. Said I was scum for scumreading Jar for a weak reason, and then townreading him day 2, but Vifam(his slot) did the same exact thing. Says I'm scum because I didn't want to policy lynch transcend and announced he was at L-1. Then misrepresented my reason for not hammering Transcend (he said it was only because my scumreads were on the wagon, but ignorned the fact that I didn't want to policy lynch). Says I'm confirmed scum because he doesn't like my reads post.
3. After his back and forth with Jar he backed off of Jar, and started pushing me even though there was nothing that Jar said that warranted him to back off of him. He then pushed me, and tried to get others to push me because he knew it would be better to get a mislynch on me first before lynching Jar day 3.
Scum-Fro99er would have just kept to his bus-plan and finished off the job on JarJar. JarJar was a dead man. If scum-Fro99er had pushed through a 'miss-lynch' on you, his name and word would have meant nothing by D3.
VOTE: Frog
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Just remembered this:Had a scum-team of 3 fixed in my head.
The set-up could still be 10:2:1 or 9:2:2.- nancy
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Yeah I thought about multiball a while ago Keyser but the NKs don't allow for it.
Akarin's case on JJD was actually misreppy. What Akarin actually should've been pushing for there was an overly pedantic argument/analysis by JJD typical of scum who are reaching for material that isn't there.
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Seriously what about Frogger's case did you like? It was absolute shit, and most of it was based on associations with Frogger, and Nancy. Go back and look at it again. I already disputed his bad case, and all he had to really say in response was "who will you lynch when I flip town". Frogger is not town.In post 1879, RadiantCowbells wrote:Like, I don't dislike the MBG case. I seem to recall that I pushed it. But I don't want anyone, Fro99er included, pushing town to end today in the first 24 hours. That's how towns that are doing well end up throwing.- mattblackguy
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I will say this again, Frogger backing off of Jar, because he is not sure that Jar is scum after he said that he was never more confident in a scumread, but then pushing me on mainly associations with Jar, and Nancy is scum! If he wasn't even sure Jar was scum anymore, but then pushed me on a case that was mainly built on my associations with the person he is not even sure if scum anymore is stupid as shit, and I don't know why anyone can't see it.- Fro99er
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