Mini Normal 1873 (Game Over)

ThinkBig · Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:52 pm

Also @titus and Devil, can you show me a recent town/scum game?

ThinkBig · Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:53 pm

Last time I played with town Titus, I don't hemember her doing any VCA

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=69517

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:17 am

In post 2008, PranaDevil wrote:
In post 2005, ThinkBig wrote:Also @titus and Devil, can you show me a recent town/scum game?
Mate, I've been off site (hell, pretty much off the internet barring a phone) for over three years... unless you want Song Contest entries I can't show you a recent anything, and the old stuff even I can tell you I play different to how I did back then. I've changed a lot in the last three years thanks to not being online, so showing you old stuff would be a wasted effort.

Fair enough.

Also, do you believe that the Karnos wagon was all town? Why or why not?

Also, if you think Lexa is lock scum why are we no lynching today?

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 1:11 am

Fair enough.

VOTE: No Lynch

I'll probably be dead tonight. Kill Lexa first.

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 1:37 am

In hindsight, I am still unsure about Titus/Devil, though I am confident Lexa is scum. Lynch Lexa first.

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:03 am

If he scum team decides to no kill, should we no lynch again?

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:01 am

@Titus, I think it would be a more optimal strategy to track Devil and have Lexa RB devil.

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:02 am

I'm pretty damn confident (99.9999%) that Gin is town. Your results would be far better served if you track Devil or Lexa.

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:05 am

In post 2030, Titus wrote:And what if Gin is scum?

I just don't see any world in which Gin is scum. I'd rather you track one of the two slots I'm not sure about.

Keep in mind that there are two goons. A "clear" could simply mean that another buddy did the night kill. This is why you track Lexa. If Lexa is able to role block Devil, there is no world in which Lexa and Devil are scum together.

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:06 am

No matter who you track, the other scum can perform the night kill. Keep this in mind. No results =/= that person is town. That will only work if there was only one scum.

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:06 am

In post 2034, Titus wrote:I have TRs on Lexa and Shannon anyway.

So from your perspective, the scum team is between devil/gin. I don't think this is a possibly scum team.

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:08 am

In post 2037, Titus wrote:Umm what? Why do you think you know the scumteam roles?

Not necessarily two goons, but two mafiosos left. I use goon/mafia interchangeably when I don't know the PRs.

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:12 am

Um...I don't think I have ever lynched a cop before MyLo...?? Perhaps something I don't understand about mafia theory?

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:18 am

Fair enough. Though I will probably be dead tonight over Gin. Gin's flip as JOAT will confirm me as town beyond all reasonable doubt, thus it is more likely that I will die than Gin.

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:19 am

In post 2042, Titus wrote:The action plans I have are the closest thing I have to forcing a clear on Gin. So, Lexa should do that. It forces a clear on you and me.

Fair enough. Though I still have a

really

bad feeling about Lexa.

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:22 am

In post 2042, Titus wrote:The action plans I have are the closest thing I have to forcing a clear on Gin. So, Lexa should do that. It forces a clear on you and me.

I still think my plan is best. If you track Lexa and she is able to role block Devil, then Lexa is pretty much almost entirely clear. It also proves that Lexa/Devil cannot possibly be scum together, which is the team that I'm heavily tunneling on right now.

If you track Lexa and she goes to more than one person or does not go to devil, then you know she's scum. If you are role blocked, you also know she is probably scum.

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:27 am

I understand Devil's paranoia about Titus, however, I still have a town read on titus (80% chance Titus is town here) again for the reasons I mentioned regarding All Alone. Also, why does scum!Titus come in and ask whether or not the scum team has day chat? I don't think titus was faking dumb when she asked that.

I tend to think Devil is just pissed that he got caught despite everyone having a TR on him earlier.

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:36 am

In post 2053, Titus wrote:Ding. The only question is, who is his partner? Lexa, Gin, or Shannon. Gin is the least likely, but I want to know for sure.

Lexa is most likely his partner. My theory: He was trying to set her up for a bus for town cred after Gin proved Lexa was lying about being a VT.

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:37 am

I'm going to be death tunneling Lexa in LyLo which is why I'd much rather you track Lexa than Gin.

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:41 am

In post 2056, Titus wrote:
In post 2055, ThinkBig wrote:I'm going to be death tunneling Lexa in LyLo which is why I'd much rather you track Lexa than Gin.
Nooo please. Conftown hammers in lylo. Lexa is my TR. Wait for results to see if it IS even lylo.

Fair enough.

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:42 am

@Titus, why is Lexa a town read?

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:43 am

1. shannon

3. TheRealGin-N-Tonic
5. Titus
6. Lexa
8. ThinkBig

13. PranaDevil

So from Titus' perspective, the scum team is between Gin/Shannon/Devil. Admittedly, he notes Gin is the least likely. I crossed him off as he will get resolved for sure tonight.

Thus from Titus' perspective, Devil/Shannon is the most probable scum team. However, I have a TR on Shannon.

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:44 am

In post 2060, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I'm not reading all that banter. As soon as I'm no longer buddies with Titus she says she's going to use a shot on me. Hilarious, you're running out of people to try and
sneak a lunch through

Is today Yom Kippur that I forgot about?

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:45 am

In post 2063, Titus wrote:Dude, your buddying at the start was creepy. Why would I argue to clear you if I am sneaking a lynch through? On the hardest slot in the game?

^^This

Gin is not an easy push this game. I don't think scum would try to clear a widely town read slot.

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:50 am

In post 2068, Titus wrote:I think the scumteam was thrown into a panic when I revealed I had all my shots left. That's when Lexa reemerges from nowhere. Does that have to be the solution? No. I am also nonplussed by Lexa not being here.

^^This

And also Devil immediately started throwing shades at you in order to get you lynched before hand. In this setup, why the fuck would scum claim something like what you claimed??

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:50 am

In post 2070, PranaDevil wrote:
In post 2068, Titus wrote:I am also nonplussed by Lexa not being here.
Yes, I agree, everyone should be in the same timezone, and anyone who isn't must be the scumz!

^Even more shades

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:54 am

In post 2076, Titus wrote:@TB, Are you ready?

You betcha

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:08 am

Titus doesn't know it but she has fallen for every trick in my book.

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:22 am

A town player would discuss things with his confclear.

Read the thread. Gin and I had several pages of chat just between us.

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:24 am

Then again scum doesn't really have to read the thread

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:26 am

In post 2089, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
In post 2088, ThinkBig wrote:
A town player would discuss things with his confclear.
Read the thread. Gin and I had several pages of chat just between us.
She won't do that as her theory doesn't work otherwise

Her theory is based on worthless VCA. It is much easier for scum to fake hunt via VCA than it is to actually read the thread and fake reads.

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:36 am

That's relevant how? My point, if Gin is scum, is that he's buddying you with his clear. 10000 or zero pages is not relevant to the premise.

Literally a contradiction from

A town player would discuss things with his conf clear

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:39 am

No Titus. You're scum who is attempting to throw shades at everyone who dared to question you.

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:40 am

You were all buddy-buddy with Gin when he TRd yoi.

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:43 am

I don't see how you are literally suspecting everyone. Classic scum tactic in MyLo/LyLo is to make the lynch pool as wide as possible.

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:44 am

There is no way in hell that Gin is scum. Sorry, but I don't think he is that competent of a scum player.

Lynch Titus tomorrow. Period.

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:46 am

In post 2105, Titus wrote:
In post 2103, ThinkBig wrote:There is no way in hell that Gin is scum. Sorry, but I don't think he is that competent of a scum player.

Lynch Titus tomorrow. Period.
And that's why Gin clears you and busses karnos. They couldn't get a mislynch off.

Hahahaha. He cleared me after a Garmr started a wagon on me. He could easily have lynched me if he wanted to.

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:50 am

Wrong

In post 1034, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
In post 1030, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Alisae is today's lynch.

Am I the only person surprised that All Alone died and Real G&T are still alive?
You are not the only one surprised.

I'm going to go ahead and claim now as my death is pretty much in the near future.

I'm another town JOAT, I have a a Cop/Gunsmith/Neapolitan shot and used the first two.

ThinkBig is 100% town, hence why D2, I was saying how much I loved Thinkbig so incase I die, I had crumbs to hint at who invested.

I used the Gunsmith on BBT, he is also clear.

The Neapolitan shot, I really don't know the use for but hell I got it.

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:50 am

Meant to quote this with it

In post 1022, Garmr wrote:Would like to point out think bigs hammer of karnos voting behaviour is worse than alisaes.

In post 670, ThinkBig wrote:VOTE: Karnos

L-1

<<< Yes, this was in fact L-1. This time. >>>

Policy lynch.
He puts him to l-1 for a policy lynch (shitty excuse.)

after making up a shit excuse about not wanting to end the day early he unvotes karnos and tries to run up prana as a counter wagon.
In post 732, ThinkBig wrote:VOTE: PranaDevil

I really don't like the shades that he is attempting to throw on Alisae. His blatant misrepresentation of what Alisae was saying in order to read him as scum. Don't like that one bit.

P-edit: Excellent point, Gin.

Also at this point his defending alisae and the points his making on alisae were brought up day 1 which makes think his only shifting his veiws for people likely to be lynched.

In post 773, ThinkBig wrote:Permission to hammer?

In post 775, ThinkBig wrote:VOTE: Karnos

That's a hammer.
Like even through he says he scum reads karnos at this point all his language has been about him policy lynching karnos and did not provide one reason karnos was scum or one reason he agreed with.

With observation of voting behaviors every time it looked like karnos has the chance to live he jumped off the wagon. it wasn't until all alone put the final nail in the coffin did think big jump back on it seeing no other way out of voting his buddy.

VOTE: thinkbig

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:50 am

The problem with ISOing VC and analyzing them is that they don't tell the full story.

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:36 am

Titus, what I'm saying is that scum could easily have jumped on my wagon if they wanted to.

ThinkBig · Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:39 am

In post 2116, Titus wrote:
In post 2115, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
In post 2114, Titus wrote:I gotta go. Remember this, wait for results. Do your homework. Especially over nightphase. Reset expectations. Then, check theories. If you put in the work, that's an awesome thing as feedback can be given.
Coming from you, that's hilarious Miss won't read the thread
Doing what I feel to be garbage would not be useful. It wouldn't check my theory.

Are you admitting that it will tear your theory to shreads?

ThinkBig · Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:04 pm

Bah!! Good luck team.

ThinkBig · Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:09 am

Lexa and Devil, you guys played well and it is a respectable loss. Devil did a good job at coming across as town and I TR'd him for most of the game.

Good job guys.

ThinkBig · Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:12 am

@Devil and @Lexa, both of you are respectable players and I really hope to be in a game with you sometime soon. If I ever role scum again, I want to role it with Devil.

ThinkBig · Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:56 pm

I think Titus should have taken my advice and tracked Lexa instead of obv town Gin.

ThinkBig · Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:17 pm

Also @Devil and @Lea, why did you kill AA and BBT?

ThinkBig · Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:28 pm

You all are very lucky you killed me over Gin.

ThinkBig · Fri Feb 17, 2017 4:07 pm

/pre-in

ThinkBig · Fri Feb 17, 2017 4:10 pm

I'd also like to be /pre-in for The Joke's On You

ThinkBig · Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:03 am

Can I ore in for normals?