Mini 1867 -- TBD Mafia [game over]

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I'm up to page 30 but questionnaire checker.

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I'll finish reading hopefully by today, I won't be able to post for a lot of Saturday though.

PEdit: n1 nothing
n2 frank likes 3p
n3 narna likes scum

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Why do you think that'll catch me, I could've just ISO'd kain and it wouldn't have taken much longer

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I'll give thoughts as I'm finished catching up since I'm seeing if my reads are right along the way

It doesn't help looking for associations, but eh

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Btw, I love your guys' sense of humor in oregano but I'm not such a fan of your taste in setups...

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oregano

Pregame, LOL

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O

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Guys menno and ari were not aligned together...they were like neighbor survivors but they won independently

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Also I believe snarky and there's no reason to believe he claimed "town with lyncher aspect" as lyncher as opposed to any other non-town role

But I agree that it doesn't make sense to randomly say there's 7 factions in the game as scum. Even if he knows it's true

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Zefiend and desp have been pretty towny so I think they and dav are probably town as well

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I don't think scum fakeclaims cop after snarky's claim since it's so easy to be proven wrong

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Frank looks kinda townish too...that's too many townreads. I guess {narna, frank, snarky} are most likely to be non-town.

I would say that there aren't scum killing roles left but then the game would be over...maybe 1-shot/2-shot SK or something. Idk

VOTE: narna

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I don't think scum fakeclaims cop after snarky's claim since it's so easy to be proven wrong

Never mind, he claimed before. It's still a weird gambit for scum to do.

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@zefiend Why are you assuming snarky is not town

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I bet the extra vote is controlled by the dead

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I'm gonna assume the masonry and cop aren't both bastard

I know the cop is not insane, could be naive I guess

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Maybe the other Mafia is a JoaT with something like Rolecop-Redirect-Strongman?

This makes sense given that the redirect happened on n2 not n1

I'm gonna eat dinner then do some setup spec. I'm not sure if this is a good idea, but I'm going to base my assumptions on the idea that the game was balanced as if non-killing 3ps didn't exist

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Yep

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@zefiend Why are you assuming snarky is not town

Like I said (and like desp ignored) zefiend wants me dead because "lol I'm 3p lyncher"

Zefiend has not been playing town. I want him dead. Based on your info and general consensus I understand your Narna vote but I also disagree with it.

I think it's unwise to disregard the 7 faction thing and assume there are only 1 or 2 non town left. I bet there are at least 3 scum remaining if not more.

I really think zefiend is town. Claiming cop out of the blue d2 is not a scum move.

There are 5 flipped factions. So 2 non-town remaining is possible with that.

-Having to lynch a Mason as a Townie for the "betterment" of the Town (in the form of information) makes no sense

I guess

-He lied/backtracked on the number of factions

This is a dumb reason, town can misread their role pm and it isn't like it makes much of a difference in terms of whether he gets lynched

-If there

are

somehow 7 factions, he's confirmed to be non-Town.

...how? Again, 5 flipped factions

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I have to imagine one of zefiend / masons are NOT town. Possibly (but unlikely) both are not town.

Occam's razor and play suggests they're both town

Also why can zefiend be insane/naive but masons can't be false?

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Town
lane0168 - town double vote maker
Alisae - town watcher

???
Desperado - mason
Davsto - mason vig
Infinity 324 - questionnaire checker
ɀefiend - questionnaire cop
Frank Jaeger - questionnaire doc
Narna - questionnaire census taker
SnarkySnowman - informed endgamer davsto hammerer (lol)

Non-town
McMenno - survivor
Aristophanes - survivor
drealmerz7 - SK
Azral - mafia goon

This is tough because we really don't know how many scum there are.

Town probably has some sort of protective so I believe frank.

The cop claim is questionable given the watcher flip...but zefiend is very town by play

Mason + mason vig would make a lot of sense as a scum faction...if it wasn't for the cop clear. But the cop could be naive or there could be a godfather so...

That's probably all I can do for now.

But I remember snarky's reaction to the cop guilty being pretty fake and the davsto hammer part is pretty sus...

VOTE: snarky

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I don't think there's a reason to assume snarky is a lyncher over any other scum role

But then again, I have a hard time seeing him as mafia or SK...

ugh UNVOTE:

I'm gonna say zefiend and frank are town. Snarky is probably non-threatening 3p. So either scum is masons or it's narna.

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or both

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What do you guys think about having non-threatening 3p claim and then helping them achieve their wincons?

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Man I am so good at mafia

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a lynch was achieved before Infinity 324's unvote in post 1268, so it was not counted.

Look at this

I should be nommed for a scummie

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I would want to pre-in but overgamed and I feel like it's gonna be another bastard role madness lol

I like my games within boundaries

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Meh, maybe I'll sign up once it gets to signups