[Game Over] Open 673 - Tit for Tat

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: charloux

for the same reasons sibs voted me

[Bellaphant]

also, 2 years anniversary!

[Bellaphant]

@sibs, i can't even tell what the pattern was.
<3 to the frog.

@charl, chillll. I'm gonna sort you.

[Bellaphant]

i haven't rqs-ed since....my first scum game!

i generally say scum, but i've flaked a few games and just wanna play a decent town game.

[Bellaphant]

Trans, you have reads already?

any others? what made this one special?

[Bellaphant]

k...that was one question. try the others?

[Bellaphant]

if transcend and bella are both town we are going to fucking rule this game.

-Frog

super town. you might be town?

gonna leave transcend to you for a bit.

VOTE: intermission

[Bellaphant]

I'm just a little more confident in your reads? and like, i'm up for syncing with you in a bit.

do you/does anyone have any feels about charl? especially the reaction to my rvs?

[Bellaphant]

Intermission also seems to be missing that it's not his..temperament that is weird, or the questions, it's the lack of follow through.

@intermission, what've you learnt so far?

super into jester's scumhunting right now.

[Bellaphant]

but if it isn't followed up, what's the point?

[Bellaphant]

Mhmmm that seems like a weirdly tepid defence.

But you are right about RVs votes. We need some more proper votes.

[Bellaphant]

Let's also add that Sheep is adding pressure but not doing anything with the pressure.
And asking questions but not doing anything with those actual questions.
-Ali

I think this is provably untrue - could you provide supporting evidence that makes you believe this?

I don't like 'i think this is provably' - the dichotomy between 'think' and 'prove' and the total lack of finding their own evidence to support themselve - rather, they put it back on sibs to defend/attack.

I'm hesitant to sheep your vote on Sheep, since in the only two games I've been able to observe you in, you've adamantly led a lynch on them. I'm starting to wonder if you two are just on completely different wavelengths and naturally clash with each other. For what it's worth, right now I'm not getting much of a scum read on Cooperative Sheep.

Can either you/sheep/sibs talk about this fact some more?

p-edit, yeah, that transcend vote was skeevy.

[Bellaphant]

@plague,

genuinely curious about your vote: maybe some of my points are more 'subtext' than others', but I've certainly expressed opinions.

[Bellaphant]

transcend, i assume you are trying to bait people into voting you?

don't. i hate 'noise'.

[Bellaphant]

wanna tell me what you are doing?

you can whisper it.

[Bellaphant]

Ugh, gross, sorry <3

[Bellaphant]

I sr Kop

why? their case on sheep actually felt a lot better than sibs', but that might be because it's a lot more concentrated and connected.


@the plague, the easiest way to get more out of me is to actually ask me questions. if you can't work out my opinions and follow up (because i've had them and posted them), a vote is pointless - it doesn't help you sort me.

ecm seems super town.

VOTE: sheep

[Bellaphant]

That might be l-3/-2

[Bellaphant]

Actually, i wish both of the two latest town!posts'd been backed up by a vote

[Bellaphant]

I thought ecm and kop looked super townie, it frustrates me they don't have a vote down.

capisci?

[Bellaphant]

ribbit.

I have scum reeads. I have town reads. I'm...oddly surprised.

(frog, i have pretty confident reads, your meta on me tells you i'm scum )

[Bellaphant]

do you really want a lynch at < 4 days though?

and, im hurt.

[Bellaphant]

True. remember when we won in 9 pages

[Bellaphant]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=200

gonna stop spamming now.

[Bellaphant]

The way the intermission wagon fell apart in general is making me a little twitchy, as is the unannounced l-1.

also, th townbloc joke was p. obvs.

[Bellaphant]

kop's case actually seemed unique and legit.

matt, i'm the third highest poster - we can't all be the ribbiting frog. it's weird you don't have more of an opinion of me.

sheep i'm voting, sesq - i re-read today and my read on them has crumbled a lot, inter i'm still scum-leaning, charloux i want a lot more out of. plague needs to talk to me and try to sort people.

^ kinda my scum pile.

[Bellaphant]

no worries. anything to ask me?

[Bellaphant]

ahaha my posts are really not making an impression on you - i just said. im hurt

I'M BRITISH. IT'S CALLED MANNERS.

[Bellaphant]

but i did!

and i will again.

sesq vibed really town early on, and looked like they were engaging, but actually they haven't pushed anything recently and i'm struggling to find the heart of their content.

charloux's response to my rvs looked super forced - it's been a while since i plyed with them but i remember them making more of an impact. i'm fairly confident on my ability to read them, i just feel like i don't have a lot of content from them yet.

[Bellaphant]

@sesq - i don't understand how you can be opposed to the a) game not going many places and b) a quick moving wagon?

also, 'if he's town, scum have an opportunity' seems like a really basic statement dressed up as something it isn't.

if he's scum, is scum still on the wagon? who's bussing?

[Bellaphant]

Yeah. either this is a town lynch, and mafia are on the wagon (so, who), or we've got a bussing stich. either way, sesq, who's scum?

[Bellaphant]

ew. literally, ew.

you don't have reads? how can you not have scum reads? and then if he flips town, to go into tomorrow with vague scum reads on 'his wagon', which are
Charloux, Siblings Quarrel, Transcend, Bellaphant, Intermission, projectmat
(scumish, town, town, town, scumish, idek)

just seems really week and super fake.

it's making me wonder if we're even on the right track here.

What are you gonna do to get that information?

[Bellaphant]

can we lynch sesq?

[Bellaphant]

I feel like sesq is confident of a town!flip and is setting up shitty reasons to have 'reads' tomorrow.

(because she's scum, obvs)

:S

[Bellaphant]

Super town
Bella
ECM
sibs
Transcend
Jester

ehhh
projectmatt
kop


not town
charl
sesq
sheep
inter
plague


fine. i'm going to bed anyway

[Bellaphant]

Ugh, everything about the jester's 365 could've come out of my head.

all the flavour spec is pointless, i'm glad to have that confirmed.

I'd much rather do intermission over trans, but projectmatt is also not in my town pool.

[Bellaphant]

I'm trying to assess whether Sesq's scum or just a bad player. Help?
I'm not too fond of Charloux but I don't think he's scummy. Not very helpful but also not scummy. I recall him making a few good points at the beginning, gotta reread.
Do you think it's likely for scum to vote their partner in RVS and stay parked like that? I know it's wifom territory but personally I don't think I'd do that. Sesq's unvote and attempt at a counter on Bella looks more suspicious imo.

@ecm, i just really liked this post, it was a lot of my thoughts.



if you aren't decided on a lynch, then why are you voting?

[Bellaphant]

I mean, it worked, we caught scum.

i'd still rather lynch intermission, but project matt is a vote i could go for.

[Bellaphant]

My problem with inter is that i don't see him actually trying to sort people? there's a lot of inter talking about inter.

[Bellaphant]

inter, it's not about reads, it's about pushes. I don't see you actually scum hunting.

@sesq, yesterday you told me your reads today would be suspicious of the sheep wagon - which flipped scum. what are your reads now?

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: inter

[Bellaphant]

@inter, what do you make of charl's claim?

[Bellaphant]

@charl, where is the town read on sesq coming from? I find them an enigma.

[Bellaphant]

*head-desk* then you fake a reason. jesus.

[Bellaphant]

Inter and matt have gone super quiet. Please can we lynch them?

If anyone is townreading inter, please let me know, because i'm pretty sure my vote ins't moving.

also, charl...i want you to get me to come to a right conclusion, not a 'wrong' one :S

[Bellaphant]

matt, if it helps, I want to lynch inter more by tomorrow (game tomorrow) i hope you'll have access.

[Bellaphant]

it's super null at this point. the day is boring, can we consolidate on one of: not me, jester, cop, ecm or trans?

[Bellaphant]

The two peoplle i want to lynch are basically absent, sesq doesn't know what a counter claim is and we have no cohesion.

scum are prolly super happy right now. Can we decide on a lynch, work out a jk for tonight and just get moving? we started so well, guys.

[Bellaphant]

sorry, i meant vig. we should definitely vig

[Bellaphant]

I am mostly caught up, like 3-4 pages left to go.

Right now I am seeing scum in Sesq, EMC and Trans.

I like You, Matt and Kop as town. Failing a CC Char is town, which isn't where I was leaning, and I don't really agree with the timing of the claim, but thats besides the point.

Bella could be the one none of us see as scum go to mylo and win outright as scum.

These reads are all boring, apart from ecm - i've wavered a little on ecm, but his early game looks a lot more townish.

also, this ...mild scum read on me? like, is that even a read? i must look town, as no one sees me as scum, but also i'm scum who's getting to mylo?

it looks fake af.

also, is it l-1 or l-2 now?

projectmatt is correct about the aggression, but it could also be buddy talk :S

[Bellaphant]

I'm actually wavering in my town read of ecm anyway, just because of how wierd fish was around their read of him.

Am i waiting to claim?

[Bellaphant]

Im vt

[Bellaphant]

We dunno until the vig claims, but I wouldn't be surprised

The vig should just claim.

[Bellaphant]

me?

[Bellaphant]

rude

[Bellaphant]

I meant the hammer, not your dick

[Bellaphant]

well done town! killed it.

[Bellaphant]

also, amazing flavour, should get nommed.

Can we have access to pts?