~laundry~ FIN

[McMenno]

long be my reign

[McMenno]

so who's the scum

[McMenno]

I am currently on fire

[McMenno]

man im gonna read this 40 page mess

and uuuuuuuhm I am very moist, am I in with the cool kids yet?

[McMenno]

things to note:

firebringer is in this game (why did I replace in again)

[McMenno]

Public Service Announcement:

RVS VOTES WILL NEVER BE FUNNY OR WORK. STOP IT.

Thank you for your time!

SCUM

[McMenno]

serious talk: it's 2am and I'm going to bed I will read up 'morrow

[McMenno]

thanks for that top quality meltdown drealmerz

[McMenno]

well I'm on page 13 and I already know drealmerz is town

creature is giving me some fierce pingers

ep is also scum probably

[McMenno]

firebringer are you scum

[McMenno]

not going to happen currently I've only been skimming the past 10 pages

what a fucking rebel

[McMenno]

creature is beetlejuice with a sock on his head

[McMenno]

Nosferstu - you couldn't be more wronger.

I hope this was a joke

[McMenno]

man I'm catched caught up and fucking

pumped

moist

VOTE: creature

see the thing with creature is... as town, he's stream-of-conscious, live by the moment, asking people around for reads...

as scum people are like "hey where's creature's at" CREATURE like a monster is: "hey I'm here waddup /leaves" "oh well he's lynchbaity let's let him live a while"

which is not going 2 happen on my watch

Spoiler: creaturejuice

[McMenno]

if it's

your

activity (and you're not v/la)

[McMenno]

creature is posting way more than if he was scum....

like he was scum in hunger games, and he is already posted more in this game than that game.

I wasn't in hunger games but compare to say wakegame (where I was scum with him) it's the same thing here

[McMenno]

arthur let's make this a wagon

or I'll be very SAD

[McMenno]

1. Creature prodded
2. Blitz games can be found in coney island

need I say more

andrius, help me avenge birdlad pronto

[McMenno]

naah, gerry is town.
id bet money on it in vegas right now.

one cent?

I do play the game, but this still happens. I can link you a game where I go 2/3 and i still get lynched until i'm mechanically clear and confirmed not maf.

UNVOTE: idk who im voting

revote please (this time on creature)

[McMenno]

1. Creature prodded
2. Blitz games can be found in coney island

need I say more

andrius, help me avenge birdlad pronto

not yet avenged but close enough

[McMenno]

man I missed all the top notch banter last night

I haven't played a good D&D game in forever.

Andy, Aeronaut and I were talking a couple of weeks ago about Mafiascum D&D. Interested?

I mean.
Its been a LONG LONG time since I've played.
But I could get down for this.

I have never played dnd, would be interested to try one day

[McMenno]

My heart says FB is town.
My head said FB is scum. Before a few drinks.

I don't see a case for Creature being scum besides for activity, and Creature has been known to be lost in larges.

yes?

no that's not it, the point is town creature is *here are some thoughts* pretty frequently and whenever he feels like

with scum creature people are like "hey where's creature" and creature's like "I'm here *here are some thoughts*"

[McMenno]

in a page that is already 70 pages of mostly nothing.

literally every large theme game ever

[McMenno]

thanks for the link pine maybe I'll even read it

sly is town for me but mate tone it down wrt andrius vs. tammy, it's not fun for anyone

[McMenno]

this setup sounds weird.

what if we're all part of ep's house... trying to make the socks get lost (that's what houses do right)

[McMenno]

mcmemester, hows life?

I can tell you what life is

life is a 4 letter word in the english language

[McMenno]

This feels overly simplistic.
There's no way his entire scumplay is BEETLEJUICE.

but it is though

see, creature doesn't enjoy playing scum, he'd much rather find out who the scum is

and if he's scum, he's, well... a lot less motivated. he doesn't know what to do, is a fish in a barrel basically. and that's what I'm seeing here

[McMenno]

gerry, slysly, SAD, andrius for scumteam

No matter what you come up with, no scumteam will ever be as good as the pretend Spy/UT/Andy scumteam.
Keep trying.

you/tammy/nacho/slysly involved in elaborate shenaniganigans

[McMenno]

I have been game solving, attempting to stop obvious lynchbait MLs contributes to town wincon

u were?

how life firebringster

[McMenno]

The fake stuttering thing and leaning on the whole 'cute anime girl' motif looks extra contrived.

I'm pretty sure the stuttering thing is a modifier/role PM type thing.

WAAAAAAHHH

[McMenno]

So hows life guys?

I'll fucking nuke you mate

in other news gerryoat has won the award "trying to act as scummy as possible to spite people or something idek anymore"

[McMenno]

Creature (5): McMenno, Ser Arthur Dayne, gerryoat, Fro99er, MariaR

SAD

how does it feel to be on the worst wagon in the history of mafia?

it is in fact the best wagon in the history of mafia scum dot net

or, as fro99er would say,

WAAAAAAAAHHH

[McMenno]

but we'll both be clear to each other. pretty sure.

i may also have another ability )))))))))) maf u scared? l0l

are you eight?

WAAAAAAAAAAAHHH

[McMenno]

Okay we're lynching slysly

Vote: Slysly

VOTE: SlySly

I said this a while ago

VOTE: sly

you guysssssss

[McMenno]

are you vengeful mate

[McMenno]

for tammy:

Code: Select all

[vote]creature[/vote]

is how it is done in case you forgot

(I make funjokes)

what this guy said

[McMenno]

Sly is Town, bruhs. Do not support.

[McMenno]

LET THE BLOOD FLOW

[McMenno]

then what are you lynching him for

[McMenno]

well folks, I won't be around for the deadline, so consider my vote ~locked~

[McMenno]

well folks I see people are still reading drealmerz because I guess he's an abrasive asshole and makes giant leaps in logic... well congrats he's town (think mathblade as well)

I am going to set sail in no particular direction

VOTE: nacho

[McMenno]

which is always

[McMenno]

Also McMenno you seem convinced that drealmer is town pretty early. Are you approaching that read with more caution now after seeing him win PYP or is his play demonstrably different?

quite the opposite in fact... pyp drealmerz had like shit parfume all over his face so he could sweet talk people into victory... this is drealmerz "my reads are wrong but I don't care" town7

also I am one note... the c note, the first note most know of. will you dance with me to the tune

[McMenno]

as for my other reads? I must say that I don't have a clear direction at the moment, my only scumread at the moment is probably nacho, and going down are various flavors of mediocrity...

drealmerz is defenitely town, sad is also strong town

le sly slice is probably town as well

[McMenno]

pine are you town

[McMenno]

pine are you town

Yes. Dude, I dont bus like that. Check my meta, I almost never bus unless there's a guilty in play.

something something trust tells... okay whatever

I agree that the entire scum team wasnt lined up on creature but that doesn't make Sly scum and I have at least two maybe three people off the creature wagon that I would rather lynch than him. Maria, Zach, nos...

Ouch who still scumreads Nos in 2017 haha

honestly

oh you're in this game

Maria can get serious as town? Who could've guessed.

[McMenno]

I'll be your man-at-arms

[McMenno]

I also still would like the feedback about Pine/Menno especially; if you have any concerns about Maria/Desperado/SAD/Andrius/Sly/Firebringer or any of the townreads I brought then let's talk about them. I do feel good about Pine/Menno although there's not really a third that feels great to me, and if there's not any scum in the townreads I gave before (which is entirely possible I think) it can equal a won game but before I get there I'd like for you to check my work and see where you feel I'm going wrong.

pine/mcmenno/nachomma8 busapalooza

dae toogeloo + tammy is scum gambit???

[McMenno]

and i swear to fucking god if one more person says "throwing shade" i'm going to have an aneurysm

when did that become a thing that people say???

[McMenno]

VOTE: slysly

[McMenno]

be grateful I ended this wretched day

[McMenno]

nevermind I'm retarded

[McMenno]

that is offensive

[McMenno]

okay back to real scum

VOTE: nacho

[McMenno]

whats up mcmemester

I just thought I hammered and I did not. dunno how many times this has happened already

[McMenno]

i really really really want to vote in {mcmenno, gerry, pine}

like, there does not exist a single parallel universe, in all of the parallel universes, in which all three of those guys are town who vote parked creature based on meta and are now arguing that scum don't bus like that

it's fucking stinks, bro

I'm not arguing that because they totally do

[McMenno]

I woudl as scum have totally bussed the shit out of creature

[McMenno]

The Miller claim is really my only good reason for lynching Desperado.
Before the Cop claim, I was getting to the point where I thought of one [Desp, Frog] was scum, but then Frog claimed Cop and I was leaning him as scum.
Idk, Desperado seems like one of the only people really trying at times even if no one (read: you) hears him.

reminder that he claimed weak cop

you know, the only role that can actually confirm a miller

this would heavily depend on your role is worded. proceed with caution

also he didn't claim the week part

[McMenno]

stop

[McMenno]

drop and roll

[McMenno]

VOTE: slysly

[McMenno]

also drealmerz wagon is terribad, pine's vote especially

[McMenno]

moist

VOTE: nachomamma8

[McMenno]

another 17 pages fuck this

after that nacho town flip I actually think desperado is way more likely to be town

once again I ask people to detach from drealmerz wagon

VOTE: nosferatu

I would be fine with this or the pine wagon

[McMenno]

Well GS is but yea I don't feel good about that claim

right I was gonna ask

fire why did you fake that guilty on nacho

[McMenno]

firebringer noooooooooo

[McMenno]

I want to lynch pine today

[McMenno]

wow maria ARE YOU A SOCK

[McMenno]

I want to lynch pine today

overused meme

VOTE: pine

[McMenno]

not really but I feel like bitching today

in other news I recently started a darkest dungeon as well...

so far creature slysly and gerryoat have died. press f to pay respects

[McMenno]

what about me

[McMenno]

I am an important too

[McMenno]

why do people keep pushing the pine lynch. can someone give me like, a reason?

we have to get 3 more mislynches dude, give us some breathing room will ya?

[McMenno]

[McMenno]

Waiting on Andy then choo choo on Zach

We didn't lynch scum on accident, Desp. Gerry and I worked hard for that lynch.

hahahahaha

haha
ha

I mean me too thanks

[McMenno]

so I was a little bored in the scum pt tonight and made this:

Now this is a story all about how
My laundry got flip turned upside down
I'd like to take a minute just sit right there,
I'll tell you how I became the prince of a laundromat called {insert name of ep's laundromat here}

In the west laundry basket, born and raised
On ep's person is where I spent most of my days
Being worn, taken off, relaxing all cool
And I'm doing a wash, outside of the school

When a couple of socks - They were up to no good!
Started making trouble in my dorm room
I got in one little wash and ep got scared
They said: "You're moving with MariaR and gerryoat in the laundromat"

I begged and pleaded with them day after day
But they packed their basket and send me on my way
They gave me some laundry detergent and they gave me their card
I put my settings? on and said, "I might as well kick it"

obviously it's not done yet. so I was thinking we can make this a little community thing and finish it together

[McMenno]

Hrm.
Im at the point where purging all non-bloc members can die.

Gerry should NOT be allowed in LyLo, nor should the Miller.

I have words regarding the Zach scenario but don't want to compromise this any more than need be.

Against lynching Pine and Maria.
I can see a 1shot mafia vig; or someone fakeclaiming limited vig by abusing a bulletproof claim. But I am biased anyway so dreal leans town.

Hrm.

seriously dude? seriously?

we're two, maybe even one day away from lylo, and you want to get some policy lynches going

now

? are you actually scumreading them? because it sure as hell doesn't sound like it

VOTE: andrius

[McMenno]

for the record I am INSTRUCTIONAL POSTERS, COMPLETELY USELESS TO ANYONE WITH ANY LAUNDRY EXPERIENCE OR COMMON SENSE, vanilla townie

[McMenno]

So unless you're now saying you actually don't give someone a sock...I'm still going to lynch you because that's scummy as fuck

I read my role pm wrong holy fuck idk what I can say without breaking the rules

am I allowed to say words in my role pm

vanilla

tee hee hee

Despite what people say I can see a Limited (1shot) Scum Vig in this game given the surprising lack of scum power we've seen so far and the speculation that we have two protective roles, even if one is non-standard.
I know this means little but hey, its here and I'm dying so let's get this clear.

if you believe drealmerz is scum then

three

protective roles

[McMenno]

no no I'm just correcting you because I'm a pedantic mofo

you said there are two protective roles in that case
I said there would be three: fb, zach and maria

of course we're talking in hypotheticals here

[McMenno]

f

le thinking emote

Anyone got anything for me?

you can help me finish the song

[McMenno]

thanks ep <3

[McMenno]

UNVOTE:

hm, I will have to think about this...

[McMenno]

appropriately zachstraltika is the jester. though he's been quite useful so far

[McMenno]

but it's raining already

[McMenno]

I don't know if I can stay with you andrius. You are a nymphomaniac and also a known cheat.

[McMenno]

it's locked in. sorry

besides known cheat isn't the worst and nymphomaniac is a positive quirk so

[McMenno]

nah I haven't locked in anything yet

you do have a hard noggin though

[McMenno]

darkest dungeon

it's pretty fun you should play it

[McMenno]

OH NO...

firebringer died :'(

[McMenno]

I have a choice to make

slysly, gerryoat or firebringer?

[McMenno]

I'm going to do a readslist

but it's going to be in many different styles... I heard that appeals to people nowadays

Spoiler: Ranger style readslist

{drealmerz7, Desperado}
{gerryoat}
{Pine}
{Andrius, MariaR}

Spoiler: Creature style readslist

1. Desperado

2. drealmerz7

4. Pine
6. MariaR

11. McMenno

13. gerryoat

17. Andrius

Spoiler: Desperado style readslist

drealmerz
Desperado

gerryoat

Pine

--------- <------- line of lynchability

MariaR
Andrius

Spoiler: gerryoat style readslist

I AM THE TOWNIEST TOWN TO EVER TOWN!

[McMenno]

A few days ago isn't today so what's your point?
Gerry is town get it through your skull ty
I ate as town and I ate as scum it's up to people to see if it's fake or real

can't scum ate be real?

Holy fuck I'm really sr? I would never try to fake this fruit vender thing as scum first of all you really think I dumbtold Frog's weak cop bs? YOU THINK I KILLED THE PERSON THAT HAD A TR ON ME SINCE DAY 1? Please. I'd have killed Pine most likely
Yall wanna ml me go ahead

Why not? It's what I'd do.

Why would I risk wifom over having someone who has me as a lock townread -_-

hard defending nacho

[McMenno]

Please tell me one thing andrius has done townie this entire game. desp too

meant to quote this

[McMenno]

please don't hammer yet

[McMenno]

Wouldn't the same logic apply to me lol

basically the difference is

you said I townread nacho and people kept asking why and you said just because

but desperado chainsaw defended him all day and also this is the most important part

nacho buddied up to desperado super duper hard in a way that's unlikely to be scum-scum I've been there before

giving my go ahead on the hammer

[McMenno]

VOTE: MARIAR

[McMenno]

Spoiler: not relevant but watching this atm

[McMenno]

aren't we all

[McMenno]

it's not for a title

[McMenno]

I've mulled about things that I'll share tomorrow if maria flips town

[McMenno]

do you think I'll get nightkilled andrius

[McMenno]

ugh

this game man

this game

[McMenno]

FIREBRINGER was the card machine.

firebringer :'(

[McMenno]

andrius if you want it your way I'll do it your way

VOTE: andrius

[McMenno]

that's an odd question

because he was at L-1 and if he or mcmenno are not scum then....

it is a duh move at this point and mcmenno got big scumpoints for his vote on andrius for me

then what? it's very unlikely that it's lylo today and if desp or pine quickhammered it would basically be a scumclaim

[McMenno]

what's your neg. utility then

[McMenno]

1shot vig

[McMenno]

sorry: delayed 1shot vig

that's not neg. utility

[McMenno]

that's like saying even-night doc is neg. utility

[McMenno]

delayed 1shot vig is better than vanilla townie. therefore it's not neg. utility

[McMenno]

I'll fight you in a real life duel to the death...

a real life pagetop duel, perhaps?

[McMenno]

1 thing at a time

oh I get it

[McMenno]

out of town for a few days back sunday will give thought then

[McMenno]

thoughts*

[McMenno]

it's not like I'm scumreading andrius but I'm not townreading him either and that's enough at the moment

@drealmerz I don't think I'm willing to do pine anymore. yeah him 100% claiming the creature and nos wagons is icky but if he wants to break his 6 year meta over this one game then I'm fine with yet

after a reread of his iso my townread on drealmerz has weakened a bit so currently pine > desp > dreal > andrius

[McMenno]

pine what are your thoughts on pine jeopardizing his whole bussing meta just for this one game

[McMenno]

sorry drealmerz. but I just can't see it being desperado

VOTE: drealmerz

[McMenno]

because I haven't done a whole lot and am an easy lynch

[McMenno]

then why were you questioning desperado constantly if you were going to vote me anyway

you knew that I would never lynch pine and desp wanted to lynch me

[McMenno]

vry convincing my friend

[McMenno]

mate it's way too late for the "doesn't deserve to win" argument, you should've lynched me yesterday in that case

exactly, you knew desperado was scumreading me, you knew that he would vote me ~eventually~ you didn't have to come in with the vote and also wanted to keep your options open

[McMenno]

very cheeky

[McMenno]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[McMenno]

Why didn't anyone straight up say desp was confirm town based on nachos interactions with him? I mean I said it earlier but everyone forgot

I did

endgame post coming

[McMenno]

Prologue

The stack of clothes, the laundry basket, and the dryer entered the room. A cold breeze swept in.

"Aye," the basket said, don't you guys hate the laundry? He was a mischievous one.

"Yes," the clothes said, "It makes me clean! I hate being clean! I don't want to be clean anymore!

"The laundry makes me do work... I don't like doing work," The dryer groggily answered.

The breeze said nothing and left the room. A new one entered the stage.

"Yes... Yes..." the new breeze replied. "Time to destroy this laundry." He revved the engines of his trusty bus.

A brief synopsis of the first act

The clothes... They never had to be clean again.

There was a set of eyes, it looked at the laundry basket. It was a horrifying sight! They promptly died.

The keys. Rusty, unusable.

One washing machine. Suffocated by the basket.

The basket itself... Torn to pieces.

The second washing machine and the dryer, they both perished in an epic battle.

Interlude

The wind was driving its spiffeh minivan through the laundromat. A strange sight, yet no one paid attention to it. They were still trying to figure out how all these objects suddenly broke. Students in a frenzy littered the building. The cold, however, had other things on his mind. The clothes, the basket, the dryer... they were already shattered into pieces! Who would he drive over now? He had no one. So finally, he said goodbye to his trusty minivan. He surveyed the laundromat, who would be his next target? The dryer sheet, the drinking fountain, errantparabola themselves? Ah, what is that? A card machine?

Act 2

The laundromat woke up. An icy temperature hung around. It seems like the card machine had perished to the freezing weather... It matters not. "I am not responsible for the sudden destruction!" the Student ID shouted. "Perchance I am, perchance I'm not," the dryer sheet said. This caught people's attention. He was their next target. In his dying breath, he whispered "I confess, it was me... I can't hold this secret any longer. Please forgive me." There was a big party! Everyone was celebrating, it was over! Their ordeal was over!

They woke up after a long night of partying, ready for more. But... Where was the drinking fountain? They found it. Its water frozen solid, shattered into pieces. The paranoia rose once again! Accusations started flying left and right. "It must be our sleep schedule that did this to us," althus the laundry detergent. "Nay, it's errantparabola themselves!" the Student ID viciously screamed. "Besides, I am not involved in this!" "Why are we ignoring the icy feeling of dread that hangs around us?" Errantparabola pondered. Eventually they started wondering... What if it was not who, but where? What if the very location were they were, the laundry room, was responsible for all this death and carnage? So they did what any sensible collection of miscellaneous objects in a story about doing the laundry would do: They smashed it to bits and pieces. Alas, it would accomplish nothing but an air of distrust.

Broken in half, the Student ID. As it turns out, it really had nothing to do with it all. Luckily they were well-rested thanks to the Sleep Schedule. The Laundry Detergent, however, asked out loud: "Well, well, well. Had a good night's rest, hmmmmmm? And why? Isn't that the first place where you sabotage if you're looking to ruin a laundry? Or how about... The main character of this tale itself?" Errantparabola was sweating. "It can't be me! I'm literally the main character!" The laundry detergent didn't believe them for a second. A chilly atmosphere soon engulfed them. "It's the cold, it's the cold, I swear!" they pleaded. The stairs soon followed suit. The Sleep Schedule had a very difficult choice to make... Was it his trusty friend, the always cheery and mykonian-loving Errantparabola? Or was it the sinister freezing breezing febreezing

cold

that was slowly creeping its way into every orifice? Alas, in a tragic twist of fate, Errantparabola was strangled by their closest pal.

Interlude 2

Stairs. Detergent. Schedule. Cold. A ragtag bunch, the Cold thought to himself. But unfortunately, they all had to perish. He already knew who he'd blame it on the next day. The problem was... Who would be the most easily persuaded? He paced around the ruins all night, for sleep he cared not. He was merely a concept and not a physical object, after all! Yet he did miss his Spiffeh minivan, and his old buddies. They seemed like such a distant memory now. Break the stairs, so no one could leave nor enter? Or disrupt the sleep schedule, so their thinking would be incapacitated? He made a choice.

Act 3

"Ugh, I didn't sleep very well," the laundry detergent groaned. "And why might that be?" The cold asked. "I don't really know... My sleep schedule was all jumbled up, I guess." "Oh, but I think you do know! You know very, very well why we didn't sleep regularly last night, don't you? You say you wash, you say you clean! But that's not the case! A traitor to the true laundry, it stands before you, stairs. You believing me is my only hope. Did I not reveal the clothes' evil deeds? Did I not support the breaking of the basket? Did I not cheer on as the washing machine battled the dryer? Nay, the detergent did none of those things. I rest my case." "That's not true!" They detergent answered. "He's a liar, he's a fraud! Don't believe his evil words!" A meek little "psssssssssssh" emanated from the detergent as it was crushed by the stairs, its liquid spilling all over the floor. But then, an icy cackle spread through the destroyed laundromat...

Epilogue

The cold had cleaned up. Quite a task, freezing all of those stairs! But he did it, and was proud of it. It had taken quite a few days, but the laundromat was completely destroyed, empty, devoid of all life. He was satisfied with his performance, and in the corner he spotted something.... Ah, his trust Spiffeh minivan. He tried the ignition, and yup, it still worked! He started it up, and drove away from that wretched place, into the sunset... He had earned a nice little vacation.

Fin

[McMenno]

alright it's time for my very late ~conclusion post~

through

me voting my scummates at opportune moments

dodging case after case,

always being second choice for a lynch

organising a series of mislynches and

town wifom'ing themselves out

exceedingly good nightkill choices I now stand victorious among the corpses of all these dead townspeople.

first of all. I want to thank errantparabola for modding this great and fantastic game. it was truly an adventure, we had ups we had downs but it was a wild ride that I'd like to repeat one day. therefore I'm pre-inning for laundry mafia... mafia.

then I want to thanks my scumteam. creature, nacho, and nosferatu, thank you for your valiant sacrifices. without your gruelling deaths I would not have been able to

coast on bussing my entire team

execute my brilliant and well thought-out strategy.

some commentary for individual players

@frogger WAAAAAAAAAAAAH

@firebringer you were just looking too town man

@zach I did think it was a pretty good gambit and I must say that it almost got me the game. the reactions gotten out of it were far more valuable than people revealing their roles, unluckily town didn't exploit this enough.

@sad I actually thought you had a vest left for some reason, and my logic was as follows: if you do, we go to evens, no biggie. if you don't, well I have a widely townread player that was suspecting me dead.

@gerryoat I think you should try to be less antitown and obnoxious. yes you were very towny but you also made a scene about your role and you vs. the masons that could've easily gotten you lynched with no real gain. read your role pm thoroughly to prevent this in the future.

@andrius I like you, please don't leave.

@drealmerz oh drealmerz... I like you but you gotta do something about your attitude. constantly screaming "xyz is SCUM" and attacking everyone who disagrees is not a way to play. also revealing that it was all a "big gambit" that you were "scumreading" desperado at the end, after I voted you, made you look like scum backed into a corner. the mistake you made, is assuming I would vote

with

you, while you were always designated as the final mislynch, one way or another. in this case it was by making the wifom kill on pine and letting it play out. I thought maybe pine would reconsider and still vote me, but that I'd be able to use my bussing of my teammates and the pine kill to get desperado to reconsider and vote you out anyway. all I'm saying is try to be a little less self-centered

@desperado you were a formidable opponent and very scary. we all make mistakes and drealmerz wasn't doing himself any favors. that's also @pine

all in all I enjoyed the game. anyway this post might've been a bit rambly at times but it is what it is lol. I guess that's what you get when you write conclusion posts at 1am

mcmenno out