Thespival Mafia (Denouement)

[al_kohaulec]

/in
/points Scepter of Suspicion at Tally

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Apparently they lost my luggage at the airport

Does anybody have any clothes I can borrow?

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Oh Noes!! o.O

Without getting emails, I got distracted this week with classes starting and forgot this was starting >.<

I'll try to read Friday night. I have one year of Chemistry I need to learn by Friday morning...

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I lied, I'm posting sooner than Friday.

Imagine a CotC Recruiter Jester... Hrm..

Anyways, NOT JESTER.

I sadly was not part of the game where this was discussed, but I agree with it fully and even moreso since seeing Pooky's explanation of it.

FoS: Greasy Spot

Already stated reasons. You were avoiding the question and being difficult.

Smaller FoS: Iammers

Though I agree a bit with DB that it could have been a mistake. I do not find DB scummy in his actions yet, his play looks like his town play to me so far. I don't have any reads on other players yet, I've mostly been focused on the jester issue.

Now that I think on it, I have a topic for discussion - particularly, concerning tyhess's role. After rereading it carefully:

Each night, you

may

select a person to join the Cult of the Couch.

There's many possibilities to look at, but in general, there is

no

benefit to the CotCR's ability for the town. If he's scum, then it's obviously dangerous for the town, and if he's town, then if he recruits town, it could be harmful (unless he recruits a lurker to control their vote), and if we find out who mafia is to control their vote, we'd much rather have them dead. If we happen to discover two mafia in one day though, then we could recruit one and lynch the other with his own mafiate . Lynch the other guy the next day.

At end game having tyhess around could be dangerous in case if he is scum of some sort, then his ability will screw us over badly. But could be good if we can recruit a mafiate to control their vote during end game, but the chance of that is so slight I wouldn't consider it a possibility until it happened.

So basically I don't think tyhess's ability should be used except for rare specific cases, and I don't think tyhess should be alive at end game, but is good to keep around for now.


Really the only other use of the ability is for fun.


P.S. poor hasdgfas. *noted*

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Here's a place with some vegan recipes/ideas for whoever ends up cooking.

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whoops O.O

That was meant for the Starkadium thread for Stark's sake. >.<

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Huzzuh! for Mostly Mute!!

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Wow, greasy is already 3 from lynch.

And I still have these as not confirming whether or not they're the jester:

wolfcrier
RossWilliam
Mastermind of Sin
Battle Mage
Dark Ermac
Fletche

Second off, MoS has dice rolled his first post in the other two games i've been in with him, so I'm fine with that.

Just because someone does it all the time doesn't mean that it's necessarily good.

I agree it's not good because they do it all the time, but it's also not something to indicate a player is scum for something they do all the time. And we want to catch people for being scummy, not people who are just doing something not good.

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wolfcrier
Mastermind of Sin
Battle Mage
Dark Ermac
Fletcher

I think that should be the

correct

list.

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and um... scratch MoS off that list too.. I really need to review my posts before posting.

BM's posted, but no word from him yet.

wolfcrier is grounded, and the other two are just inactive

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****meant it doesn't matter what I say....


and I think hasd can only type two words, if anyone hasn't figured that out....and I think he needs to post either a smile or ! or something??? just going off the top of my head..haven't looked back at his other posts....

That was referred to by my mostly mute comment Pretty much summed up by what you said.

And for your recruiting, I think you should bring it forward for us to approve before you do any recruiting if you deem it necessary or w/e.

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I don't really understand your words tyhess. Are you saying it'd be too easy for scum to manipulate whose vote you to take away if we have the town approve of you using your ability before using it?

If we treated your role more like we'd treat a vig role being controlled by the town, I'd agree, but as this is all public information, and I don't believe using your ability is (in general) beneficial, I think it's good to have the town approve of it before you do it. I don't want it to be used at all except for a couple rare exceptions, which might never occur. And I especially don't want you just using the ability at your own whim because we don't know yet whether or not we can even trust you.

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Hallelujah!

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As far as recruiting scum to control their vote, if we know somebody to be scum, we should be lynching them, not controlling their vote. One simple use I see for a temp move is to steal the player's vote to force them to vote themself for that day's lynch, which merely just adds one additional vote on that player. Unless if there's a lot of inactivity, that's one vote we probably don't need.

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two known?

I think I mentioned that in my first post about tyhess as one case where it's acceptable. Let's say hasd and alko are confirmed scum. tyhess can recruit one of us to control our vote, and we'll lynch the other. The other scum will then be lynched the next day. IMO this ability doesn't come out to much use in this way though, but this is an acceptable time in my eyes for using the ability.

and I'm kind of with tyhess in not understanding quickben's logic.

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how many games have you been in where you know for sure someone's scum, let alone 2 people??

A number, but usually games w/o weird functions in the game like you're role, so this is a scenario I provided as a

possibly

acceptable use for it, but most likely won't be occurring in the game.

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4.)

I have been watching everybody's toes carefully, but there has been nothing suspicious yet...

I don't think you've been watching Mith's toes enough... *throws blanket over my toes when you look away*


And we have a jester claim!

We still need to hear from Fletcher, Dark Ermac, and wolfcrier though, for a potential counterclaim.

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Im still reading. Page 4 and GS is making alot of sense. I think i see what Mith is trying to do, but I cant fault GS's logic.

And no Al Ko, i'm not ACTUALLY claiming Jester as in the role. rofl.

Hint= Look at my title.

BM

So are you claiming not Jester?

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I have been prodded, but yes I am here. I've been reading, tried to post yesterday, and the boards died on me. My post is saved at home though.


Basic thoughts > Jester deal is over with, let's move on to scumhunting. I'll C/V my post when I get home, if MS works.

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Post I wanted to say yesterday:

Battle Mage, if you thought this could be a trap for the Jester to claim, why would you fight against it? Why is it NOT in the town's best interest for the Jester to claim Day 1? For what reason do you think it was beneficial to OPPOSE the jester claiming today?

Cause BM's probably the Jester. *shrug*

Anyways, my first serious vote would have been for GS if he wasn't so close to being lynched quickly as it is. I considered voting Mith for many of his actions during the jester scenario, but recognized the trap that was laid out, so I was taking the poor quality of some of his actions as a grain of salt. The whole jester situation is what really detracted me from focusing on scummy vibes so I need to reread in another context to get a better idea of who I think is scum.

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@MoS-i didnt know it was a trap, and genuinely thought that perhaps some of the more experienced players on the site had their wires crossed. In any case, seeing as its pretty likely that one of the players at Thespival is the Jester, it wouldnt have made any difference.

With everybody's responses (Thespivilians and non-Thespivilians alike), it doesn't sound like the trap in general was strong. The logic for jester claiming on day 2 is still valid, but otherwise I wouldn't rule out anybody based on whether or not they were at Thespival.

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I think we should lynch Mith for not preventing all this faulty site not staying up long enough to look at the thread and/or post >_>

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I'm about halfway through rereading the thread.

GS, I have a few questions if you care to answer.
Who do you think is scummy and why?
Who do you think could be the jester?
Do you honestly believe mith to be scum, or are you just not able to drop your anger and frustration on him from the beginning of the game?

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So currently you still have no actual reasoning to put forth, GS?

Also -- anyone else wanna chime in on whether/how we should comply with hasdgfas's wish for us to repeat nemA?

Is this the post you're referring to?

Amens useful.

When I first read it, I interpreted it as "It's a useful way to display my point." Though I suppose it could have some other benefit as well. But I don't see where you're reading that he wants

us

saying the word...


Maybe his win condition is to trick a player into repeating that word backwards.... MeM:!:

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Oh, nevermind, I read both of your posts more in context and figured out what you're getting at.


has, do you need the town to repeat that word? Or do only you need to say it?

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has, is there anything wrong with getting the whole town to say it tomorrow instead of today? Other than delaying your random power by one day/night phase?

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*Doesnt see what Al Ko is getting at*

That's ok.

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Yay!

That was a nice elaborative post thus far. Using only two words, especially with no or little (I don't know if you do have any) experience doing it can make it difficult to get points across. Thus far I am believing his claim, and believe his role is testable in the future. For today I believe we should look elsewhere. Tomorrow I think I would be willing to test his claim, and hopefully we can have you communicate what 'bad' things happen to you at night.

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That's essentially a jester, you win if everybody votes for you.

People don't believe you GS because you have blatantly lied.

You claim you are the Jester
You claim you are not the Jester
Therefore you claim to be the jester and not the jester, which is impossible, so you are clearly lying. I'm placing my vote on you today, but I'm waiting until the end of the day so that we can continue our discussion, and hear more from has while he can talk.

If you are the jester, we don't have to worry about you anymore, if you are scum, then we are closer to winning. If you actually are town, this is the worst play you could possibly be providing as town.

Nobody else vote for GS, He's two away from lynch and can easily place the last vote on himself to end the day. So don't vote for GS

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I'm still not convinced by hasdgfas's claim. It doesn't fit the Thespival-theme (we didn't have any such roles, nor is there a Jack-of-all-trades card in my deck), nor does it fit what I know of Thesp's style.

That said, I'm not sure why he would've started with the [word] thing if it was

completely

fabricated.

I'm going to do some research on this. For now, I remain more convinced that Greasy Spot is scum, so my vote will remain there.

I'm glad Mith posted this. I thought i was going crazy. I'm disinclined to believe Hasdgfas's claim, primarily because the role he is claiming makes such little sense, and furthermore it is VERY hard to confirm the role, let alone affiliation!

I mean, he spent so much time breadcrumbing, and then for barely any reason atall, completely broke his restriction, without any fear of the consequences. No offence but such a role would be SO dumb. Mith's validation of the fact that JoaT doesnt feature in the deck from which roles were given out, seems to back up my thoughts.

HoS: Hasdgfas

Most of what you said I agree with, but one thing that sticks out that I disagree with is that he came out for barely any reason. He was breadcrumbing with his restriction to get his goal, he came out because of the pressure we were putting on him for our disbelief of him.

In regards to mith's statement about the cards, that's something to keep in mind, that his card doesn't exist in the actual deck. Like has said, neither does CotCR. However CotCR had a big theme at Thespival, as did Mostly Mute Mafia, and the Jester. None of those are cards, but I can believe that they'd all be in this game. There are a limited number of green cards though, and if Thesp kept with that restriction, then our 'special' roles will be limited, and for those who don't know how many there are, I'm not revealing .

Anyways, his role does sound odd, and I agree that his alignment isn't confirmable. But we can't condemn a player for having a unique role and being unable to confirm his alignment. Essentially we can't confirm anybody's alignment, I've seen docs and cops as scum before. I admit when it comes to special roles like his, I lean towards the side of believing him to be town than scum, which isn't always the case, but I see most people referring to such a player in a suspicious light and attacking him to get said player lynched. I see it as punishing a player for having a special role because we're not used to it, and scum is more than happy to play along when it's not their own teammate involved because it gets a potentially powerful role lynched.

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Alko, why would Greasy Spot hammer himself if he's protown? The only way I can see him having reason to do that is if he was antitown, and I think I'm willing to let him kill himself if he's not town, aren't you?

Well, the not lynching him yet is moot now. We had a lot of discussion going, and I believe in squeezing out as much discussion as we can from the game before a lynch, even with a guaranteed sane cop with a guilty result, we can still do some discussion before ending day. Has just started ignoring his restriction to talk, which might not happen for a while.

My thoughts on him lynching himself, if he's scum, he lynches himself and stifles conversation, if he's town, he's too irritated at this point to help us, so he wouldn't care about harming us in such a way, and it would help end his misery sooner so he would stop having to play this game.

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he made a lot of contradictions on day one, and he was quoted as saying mith was extremely scummy when mith is, obviously not. same reasons as everyone else.

Why was mith obviously not scummy?

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has, what bad happened last night?

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When you say something bad will happen, do you know if that something bad is necessarily bad for you, or something that could be bad for the town in general?

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I didn't vote for a reason. I'd understand these attacks if I voted for him off the bat. I want to see how he responds to the new votes on him as well. Can we at least wait til that happens before we get this RW bandwagon going? I'm honestly very suprised by this, I wasn't aware I was apparently being so scummy

Scum usually doesn't notice they're being scummy.

Now why did you say 'mith was obviously not scummy'?

Sarcasto, I don't like that one bit. You hammered GS, which I can't and won't condemn in and of itself, but now you're voting for me while actually admitting that you don't even really have a reason. You just fully owned up to jumping on a bandwagon for no good reason.

FoS: Sarcasto

and please don't write this off as OMGUS because it is anything but. You're getting yourself a bad track record my very oppurtunistic friend

Sarc claimed he agrees with Pooky for now. Not that just that is a good reason, but it's definitely not claiming for no reason at all. You are misrepresenting him and you sound frantic about this wagon while trying hard to not offend anybody else into voting you.

Vote: RossWilliam

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No....His exact words were

I've almost finished reading, so until then I'm just going to agree with Pooky.

If he agreed with Pooky, he would just say, I agree with Pooky. But he puts in his disclaimer about how he hasn't read everything yet. and he did put the hammer on GS last game after only just replacing into the game. I want to hear everybody's thoughts on that.

And I said mith was obviously not scummy because mith's card says Mason on it. I meant he was obviously not scummy now, i had no real opinion of him yesterday except he was a smart player.

and lastly, I am the farthest thing from frantic. It's virtually impossible to be frantic on a forum, and by saying that, you are misrepresenting me. so let's go easy on that.

My statement about mith is because your post is attacking (at the moment I can't think of who you were attacking) a player for saying mith is scummy, and your reasoning is that mith is obviously not scummy. The only reason you know this is because mith is dead and you know his role. I can elaborate on this if you want, but this makes the logic of casting suspicion for that reasoning faulty.

I am not making any claims on Sarc being town, but I don't agree with your attacks on him.


I'll try to comment on more later when I get time.

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I'm pretty happy about Ross's explanation of himself. Thanks Jelly for the interrogation.

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Much as it is the case that few people like or respect him, it is also the case that he is a fairly good player, and certainly puts effort into these games. I find it very hard to see him as scum atm, UNLESS he is bluffing Jester.

As expected as that (untrue) insult is, I'm rather pleasantly surprised by the rest of your statement. Thanks, BM.

I wish I were the Jester, but no, I'm not. You'd know if I were the Jester, though, because I would have won already.

Which reminds me. Is the Jester going to claim today?

BM

He should, it's the optimal day to.



Jelly, I has Ross marked down as being one of the scummiest players in my notes. I may have questioned him if I had the time, but I doubt I would have, and wouldn't have done it nearly as efficiently as you did. His answers to your questions gave me much better insight into his actions and gives me another perspective, allowing me to see how wrong I believe I was before.

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Jelly, I has Ross marked down as being one of the scummiest players in my notes.

Oh? So:

1.)

You have notes

2.)

You have a list of "scummy players"; and

3.)

Ross was on that list, but was not the scummiest

I'm interested. Who are the other scummy players in your notes? Since you claim to have notes, I also expect a few reasons.

I always keep notes on games. They used to be elaborate, but in the past year or so, they've been plummeting in quality.

My list of scummy players is small. There's been a lot of suspicion on Monkey, but you might be surprised to hear i only have one note on him, and it's in his favor. He refused to vote simply because mith wanted everybody to place a vote by the first week. He wanted to be more informed of his actions and not act hastily.

My notes say I'm at the top of page 16 on rereading this thread (skimming), and I have two living suspects currently. While they were alive, GS and mith were on that list. I even remember voicing that I had some suspicions on mith's behavior, but wasn't too sure how much of that was because of the jester ploy.

My two remaining suspects are BM and MeMe. I did not list any notes on BM yet, but I simply have him color coded as scummy. MeMe, I haven't noticed her as being very active, almost seeming to post without posting. I haven't been impressed with her play. There are possible excuses for it, but generally her play hasn't seemed as strong as MeMe's play typically should be IMO.

I don't believe I ever made mention of Ross as scummiest or least scummiest. Also, I believe after hearing Ross's explanation,

Unvote

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I don't believe I ever made mention of Ross as scummiest or least scummiest.

Jelly, I has Ross marked down as being one of the scummiest players in my notes.

Please explain these two quotes in more detail, I am not sure I follow you.

I don't always use words in the right context, and this may be an example. I considered Ross to be one of the scummiest. I didn't have an idea of how was

most

scummiest, but in my words that meant Ross could have been most scummiest, second or third most scummiest. I do not interpret what I said to be "He is scummy, but not the most scummiest".

Jelly, I has Ross marked down as being one of the scummiest players in my notes. I may have questioned him if I had the time, but I doubt I would have, and wouldn't have done it nearly as efficiently as you did. His answers to your questions gave me much better insight into his actions and gives me another perspective, allowing me to see how wrong I believe I was before.

what notes? when did Ross make it into your notes as being one of the scummiest players?

What notes? I keep a set of notes on my computer to summarize the game for me because otherwise with how busy I am these days, I would never remember anything about a game. There's been games where I couldn't even remember if I was still alive or not. I'm not sure, but I think Ross first made my list for being scummy when I noticed him jumping on top of the attacks towards GS and Iammers. He seemed opportunistic.

then you get a little pressure (not even, more like a question or two) you unvote and post following:

I always keep notes on games. They used to be elaborate, but in the past year or so, they've been plummeting in quality.

My list of scummy players is small. There's been a lot of suspicion on Monkey, but you might be surprised to hear i only have one note on him, and it's in his favor. He refused to vote simply because mith wanted everybody to place a vote by the first week. He wanted to be more informed of his actions and not act hastily.

My notes say I'm at the top of page 16 on rereading this thread (skimming), and I have two living suspects currently. While they were alive, GS and mith were on that list. I even remember voicing that I had some suspicions on mith's behavior, but wasn't too sure how much of that was because of the jester ploy.

My two remaining suspects are BM and MeMe. I did not list any notes on BM yet, but I simply have him color coded as scummy. MeMe, I haven't noticed her as being very active, almost seeming to post without posting. I haven't been impressed with her play. There are possible excuses for it, but generally her play hasn't seemed as strong as MeMe's play typically should be IMO.

I don't believe I ever made mention of Ross as scummiest or least scummiest. Also, I believe after hearing Ross's explanation,

Unvote

I did not unvote him because of pressure. I couldn't remember for sure who I was voting, and I thought it was somebody else I had thought of as scummy. While making that post, I realized my vote was still on Ross, and I then decided to remove it. Ross was falling off my suspicion list when he was answering Jelly's questions, which was all before any of this discussion with me started. My entire reason for voting Ross is that I thought he was scummy, now that I no longer think such, I have no purpose to be voting for him.

so after yesterday, your scum list is Ross, BM, Monkey, and Meme? Or is Ross now off your list? If so what about Ross's reply made you suddenly change your mind? Something about this post does not seem geniune to me.

FoS al_kohaulec

. this would be a vote right now, if PJ hadnt asked you about these "notes". Question, how confident are you in your notes usually (for I assume you take them in every game)?...how confident are you in your notes Day 2 in this game?

Also why didnt you unvote once Ross replied, why did you wait to unvote AFTER PJ questioned you about your notes?

No, it was only Ross, BM, and MeMe after yesterday. Ross is now off that list. I clearly stated that Monkey is not on my list, though he is suspected by a lot of

other

players. I'll have to do a mini pbpa of Ross's recent posts to explain why I no longer suspect him. I used to be very confident in my notes, they used to be very thorough and in depth into the game and every player, but now in games I play I hardly note anything. My notes alone are unreliable. However I use them as brief reminders of where my thoughts laid, and as a note to say something like "hey, BM acted scummy, reread his posts and see what you find". If I notice something that appears as a giveaway to me of somebody's role or alignment, I make sure to note my certainty, and though I sometimes forget those reasons, I've learned that when I have such a certain feeling, it tends to be pretty accurate, and I act accordingly. I have not had any of these reactions yet, and lately it's only been in very small inexperienced games that I've had such a revelation, so I do not expect something that sure to happen anytime soon.

Basically my notes are something for me to think about, the thread itself is where I rely to determine who is/isn't scum.

unvote of Rosso explained above.

al_ko -- your "play hasn't seemed as strong..." comment is not supported by the facts of my recent participation in any game. I don't lurk, but neither do I feel the need to be "miss prolific." If something needs to be said & it hasn't been said yet, I'll say it.

MeMe feels quieter den I remembers.

That's pretty much was I was getting. Your play seems more low key than I'm used to. I marked you in my notes to watch you, but I am not pushing anything yet because that's not a valid reason to push anything for. I don't expect a "miss prolific" attitude, but I expect more of a decent level of contribution from a player like you. One reason I haven't pushed this is because I'm open to the idea of you being busy with real life or to your other duties on this site and such.

My two remaining suspects are BM and MeMe. I did not list any notes on BM yet, but I simply have him color coded as scummy. MeMe, I haven't noticed her as being very active, almost seeming to post without posting. I haven't been impressed with her play. There are possible excuses for it, but generally her play hasn't seemed as strong as MeMe's play typically should be IMO.

Wait, so your two top suspects are:

1. Battle Mage
Reasoning: No real reasoning, but at some point he gave me a scummy vibe.
2. MeMe
Reasoning: She hasnt nailed scum yet, or been posting prolifically.

I never said I have no reason to suspect you BM, you have acted scummy. I have merely stated that in my

notes

I have no reasons listed. I do have you marked though as a player I can read over more closely, analyze your play, and there are scummy actions from you throughout the game to be called upon. I just haven't noted them while I was taking notes, my notes are pretty much bone right now, hardly even any skin.

MeMe is only a slight suspicion, nothing to act upon. I'm not suspecting anybody for not nailing scum, and you stating that is misrepresenting me.

Your attacks on me in these latest few posts are one example of your scumminess. CKD and Jelly have both asked much more valid questions and applied reasonable pressure, whereas you simple change what I say, misrepresent me, and try to downcast me into a favorable lynch.

This is below par from you AlKo. And yeh, i see you bailing from the wagon on your buddy! And i trust CKD's judgement too.

HoS: AlKo

Im happy with a Ross or AlKo lynch atm. And probably others i cant remember.

BM

According to my notes, those are my two suspects. Like I've been saying, my notes are very poor right now, and I admit my play has been under par for close to a year now. Your last comment makes you sound very lynch-happy to take anybody down. Tell me, do you want me lynched for any other reason than I have you as a suspect? What do you think of Ross's explanation for his actions? His answer's to PJ's questions?

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Yes, tyhess, I'm curious. Why did you share with us that you are the jester?

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Well if you all feel that way can you please vote me so I can stop checking in to see that two people have the guts to vote me while no one else is willing to take action. It seems pretty anti-town for you all to stick with RW after all this and not vote me after SO much logic pj and hasdgfas (or however its spelled) has made against me.

Why would you want us to vote for you?

[al_kohaulec]

Pooky, your method of getting 5 hapless dupes will not work. That whole plan is faulty, I disagree with it.

Now that being said...

I was not buying tyhess's claim from the moment he said it, but I didn't know how to respond. He just threw it out there, rather than make an actual attempt of a claim out of it. I believe that tyhess is not the jester, and also that tyhess is town, but I also have to say that it wasn't a smart move for town to make.

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ok

its obvious that whoever this jester is, he/she is a terrible awful player who does not realize that with 2 nightkills happening during the night and only one lynch occuring each day, his/her odds of winning are way better by claiming than not claiming.

that said, let's not beat a dead horse any further.

The Jester is an awful awful player, I'm going to just accept that.

Let's move on, let's just pretend there isn't a jester in the game and lynch some scumbags.

Now I need some complete dupes to follow me around in order to help me get my diagnosis right.

Hapless Dupe Number One will have to disagree with everything I say

Hapless Dupe Number Two will have to agree with everything I say and try to prove that I'm right.

Hapless Dupe Number Three has to act outraged all the time at everything I say.

Hapless Dupe Number Four has to be the complete klutz and have no idea what is going on.

Hapless Dupe Number Five will try to save my immortal soul.

So I just need 5 brave volunteers.

Who is up for it?

This post increases my belief that Pooky is town. He's still under MeMe though.

Whenever Pooky starts to make plans, he becomes more and more protown.

I fail to see how that makes Pooky protown. MoS can back me when I say we played a (I think it was C9) mafia game where he, though town, formed an elaborate plan that did not help the town. In all honesty though, I was scum that game and because of the information I derived from day, Pooky's plan would have been best for the town in that situation . Town still won nonetheless.

[al_kohaulec]

And I think a Hallelujah and Amen is in order! I think playing along and seeing if we can test the mute monk claim would be a good idea.

Amen!

Sorry Holy

RossWilliams already took the job.

How about HD#6 for you?

HD6: Ridiculously hot female distraction used to boost ratings among male teens. Duties are to look good and constantly need help.

That will never work Pooky. Just drop the plan and start scumhunting, it's what we really need.

[al_kohaulec]

I had kinda been overlooking her...

Why, scum?

and Holy, because you don't post much and don't say much when you do. It's that simple.

Wow, you must have overlooked like one third of the town in that case -.-;


I'm supporting an RW lynch now, I just need the Vote Count first.
And I still haven't re-read wolfcrier, maybe tomorrow.

Your vote does come off as OMGUSy to me, Holy.

[al_kohaulec]

However, I thought that the post of Wolfcrier's where he asked people to please vote for him is not something the real jester would be likely to say. But it might be something that scum in a jester game might say.

I am a little worried though, because that post from wolfcrier came after tyhess's jester claim and before tyhess's recant.

If WC is the jester he might have thought it was an opportune time for that kind of comment. After all, asking for votes worked for Greasy Spot.

That bolded part is what I read in his post and what really makes me believe he's the jester.

Mafia, kill wolfcrier tonight so we don't have to worry about the jester.

THE HD WHO IS SUPPOSED TO DEFEND ME FROM ALKO'S CRITICISM IS NOT FULFILLING HIS DUTIES

As previously suggested Pooky, your plan is a failure. Your happles dupe is failing in his and/or her duties, thus causing a flaw in the plan.


Jokes aside, I like Pooky's reasoning about CB and wolfcrier. I'll have to reread their posts and look into it.

[al_kohaulec]

This is all I see from CB regarding wolfcrier. I saw one post from wolfcrier directed towards CB.

I think RW and wolfcrier are bussing.

VOTE: ROSSWILLIAM

hasdgfas gives me a pro-town vibe, and I believe tyhess's jester claim. Man. This game is twisted.

In the meantime, let's get some amens and hallelujahs!

pj, my bet's on that both RW and wolfcrier are scum, and they're bussing. It doesn't really matter which one of them we shoot for, my vote is equally fine on either.

Well if you all feel that way can you please vote me so I can stop checking in to see that two people have the guts to vote me while no one else is willing to take action. It seems pretty anti-town for you all to stick with RW after all this and not vote me after SO much logic pj and hasdgfas (or however its spelled) has made against me.

I

hate

posts like this so much.

After that last post, CB was replaced. I don't really see Pooky's point too clearly in all of this... Pooky, could you elaborate your point with evidence?

[al_kohaulec]

@Pooky,

I can see a possibility of it when reading those posts, but to me it's not enough evidence, yet. I would prefer to see more from their interaction (which regrettable isn't possible anymore) before acting on it, but I feel that evidence is inadequate to convince me.

[al_kohaulec]

Let's look at Wolfcrier/RossWilliam Interaction.

Wolfcrier:Vote RossWilliam
RossWilliam:Nearly Nothing.

Now Capt. Bandwagon jumps in with a comment "I think Wolf and RW r bussing. VOTE RossWilliam"

Frankly it's the most BS way to support a scumcomrade I've ever seen, "I think he is bussing someone, I think he's scum, so let me put my vote with his vote and support him and push rosswillaim towards a lynch"

Something here does not click. Frankly that statement is full of crap. I'd love to know why scum would decide to "bus" their partners on day one of a closed set up where they have no idea how many baddies are out there and whether bussing would help their cause considering that they could end up being easy targets for a nightkill by a rival group if they should look protown.

Basically what happens if RW gets lynched and shows up town? OH WELL I GUESS WOLFCRIER WASNT BUSSING, it sets up the "RW wasn't scum, thus WC wasn't bussing thus WC is innocent" faulty line of reasoning for later.

It's one of those supporting attacks that not only sets up for when RW shows up innocent but pretty much scripts it out.

But lastly, EVEN IF YOU DO BELIEVE WOLFCRIER IS BUSSING RW, you do not vote RW, you vote WC. Holding RW responsible for what you believe is "bussing" on WC's part is so ass-backwards it's ludicrous.

Yes.

This is the part where you go,

"WOW POOKY WHAT A BRILLIANT ANALYSIS OF THE SITUATION, YOU ARE FREAAAAAAKING GENIUS, I WISH I COULD BE PART OF YOUR FANCLUB"

and then vote this cartoon dog.

WOW POOKY WHAT A BRILLIANT ANALYSIS OF THE SITUATION, YOU ARE FREAAAAAAKING GENIUS, I WISH I COULD BE PART OF YOUR FANCLUB

That first part was the explanation I was looking for. I'm kind of disappointed I missed something that simple.

Vote: Farside

This is what I have for the vote count

D2 Vote Count

Note:

Cult of the Couch Members:

1 (tyhess)

JDGA - 3

(hasdgfas, petroleumjelly, Monkey)

RossWilliam - 1

(Holy)

Monkey - 1

(Mastermind of Sin)

QuickBen - 1

(MeMe)

farside22 - 5

(PookyTheMagicalBear, Sarcastro, Talitha, RossWilliam, alky )
alko - 1 farside

Not Voting - 6

(QuickBen,

Cult of the Couch (1)

, Iammars, JDGA, Battle Mage, curiouskarmadog)

[al_kohaulec]

Yes, address the case against you, rather than complain about it.

Also, your claim is pretty bland right now, who'd you even target in previous nights?

[al_kohaulec]

Unvote

I believe Jelly to be a really reasonable target, and under the circumstances, I believe farside's claim presently.

wait.....I could be worng, but I don't think you were replaced until today.....how would you know who CB protected?

Mod sent PM telling me my role and who CB protected last night.

2 things:
1) you played it off as if you hade protected petroliumjelly, and
2) why would the mod need to send you a pm to let you know that?

oh yeah, tyhess. I see what you're saying. If I had replaced into this game and recieved information from the mod on who my predesesor protected, I would have said, , "So and so protected whoever." Not "I protected whoever." This is subjective, of course, so it's not enough for me to revote, but it's still worthy of a raised eyebrow

tyhess and Ross, I see you both as really reaching right now for a lynch. Do you guys just want to lynch somebody, or do you both seriously still believe farside to be scum?

When I replace into a game, I claim what my predecessors did as what I did for the sake of night targets, because for all purposes that's what it is. But that entire point is irrelevant. Even if he made it sound like it was

his

actions and not that of his predecessors, that's no indication of alignment, save for stretching it too far and claiming "He must've cracked under pressure and made up a target and forgot that he didn't actually target anybody."

So let's stop trying to kill our own doctor, and start lynching scum.



Pooky, why are you town?

[al_kohaulec]

Why wouldn't I be town?

Because you enjoy slaughtering your sheep.

[al_kohaulec]

unvote: QuickBen
vote: farside22

Of the two wagons, this one seems safer.

Why because your scum partner could be lynched.
Seriously what has JDGA said that makes you think he isn't scum or that I'm more likely scum?

ugh, this sounds like a deflection..., I dont like this post either, but your claim (without a counter claim) still stands good in my eyes

FoS: ckd

This sounds too much like asking for another player to counterclaim if they are the doctor. If farside is lying, she will be found out. Forcing a claim from the "real" doc, if there is one, only eliminates a valuable protective role from us for no purpose. Because even after the counterclaim, there'd be no knowing if there is more than one doc in this game or not.

Well I didn't care for MeMe's comment. She just votes without reason. Do I sit there and just take a vote without commenting on the lack of reasoning? It's a piss pour vote and without reason. She's been too quiet and it irks me that some people are getting away with doing that.

MeMe's had reasons, and I've seen her list some. I agree and have mentioned that she is unusually quiet, but to say she hasn't commented on you at all is faulty. And her choosing you over JDGA doesn't come as a surprise to me because there is good reason to believe JDGA to be the jester, which is previously mentioned in the thread.

Sarcasto, you can keep saying it all you want, but the rest of the town is opposed to reckless self-endangerment. Farside is not getting lynched today. If she's scum, good for her for pulling a fast one on us, but even if thats the case we'll lynch her tomorrow.

No, not good for her. Doctor is the most obvious scum claim there is. It's hardly "pulling a fast one" if she just calls out the first thing that comes to her head and everybody else says "Oh noes! We can't lynch a claimed doctor! Not ever! It would be wrong!"

Farside is scum. Seriously. She's scum. There's no use leaving obvious scum alive just because she claimed a certain role. This weird absolutist principle of not lynching people who claim certain things is ridiculous and only helps the scum.

There are two extremes that one could take. The extreme you are describing is refusing to lynch a claimed power role regardless of evidence. However, you are taking the other extreme of lynching a claimed power role with no regard to the evidence. You are using the claim as the solely necessary evidence for a lynch. How are the real power roles ever supposed to come forward or survive a lynch?

I considered farside's claim and her and her predecessor's actions. And especially concerning her claim (though I'm really not happy to her referencing the card, and don't like people doing that), I sincerely believe her to be the doctor and also the wrong lynch.

Vote: Sarcastro

I believe you are pushing your lynches too far, trying to ignore any responsibility for the lynch, and you don't sound like you have the town's interests in mind.

[al_kohaulec]

@MeMe: Why do you think JDGA is the jester. I would say Sarcastro is more likely the jester do to his constant. Lets lynch her she is scum comments over and over. His hammer vote day one and the fact he thinks anyone can claim doctor and it looks good.
That said why hasn't anyone asked what the picture of the doctor is. Obviously there are pictures on each of the cards. The mason on perry mason (cute) and the town has a pic. Well the pic on my card is on Bones McCoy from Star Trek. All I thought to say when I got it was "Damn it Jim I'm a doctor not a miracle worker."

Unvote

Vote: Farside

Before I explain myself, Farside, tell me where you found the cards, and how you recognized the pictures, and why you think that us asking about the picture is such a big deal?

[al_kohaulec]

Alko: the mason and town cards that farside references have been posted by the mod already.

Thank you Tally, I forgot about the cards revealed for our dead players.

My reasoning (which is now obviously faulty, and why I was questioning for the details before elaborating) is that farside must have done a lot of research to find out what certain cards looked like, such as the mason. Since he has no way of knowing who is on the mason card without having looked it up, it's more plausible he could've looked up his 'claimed doctor' card, and the phrasing he used in his post sounded overeager in using that fact to prove himself. It came off to me that he had done a lot of research, and pooled out the information to try to convince people that since he "knew something about the card that only the cardholder could know," he was obviously the cardholder.

Also, my conclusion that he was willing to do that much research to find information on the cards proves that he is capable of extranneous research, and with his delay in claiming who he protected, it leaves more evidence to him stalling until he could find a likely target to claim.


But thanks to Tally, I know the basis for this argument is at fault, so I'm back to believing in her claim.

Unvote
Vote: Sarcastro

[al_kohaulec]

I oppose you recruiting Sarc. I don't see any reason for it.

Either you think Sarc is town, and whether or not we agree with his opinion, he should be able to voice it, or you think he is scum, and we should be lynching him, not toying with his vote.

Do not recruit Sarc.

[al_kohaulec]

Pooky, why are you bandwagonning?

I think I'd prefer Monkey over Beep Beep due simply to my suspicions of BB being jester. I'm going to try to reread Monkey first.

[al_kohaulec]

I really can't decide, I think I'm leaning towards Bx2. Reading over Monkey, he hardly contributes or does anything, but he does not come off as scummy to me at all. Rereading over Bx2 and her predecessors, I'm starting to doubt that she's the jester, but I can't make up my mind over whether wolfcrier's reactions were mostly frustrated noobish reactions or something else. Looks like I have about half an hour to decide though...

[al_kohaulec]

There's a lot of people who don't contribute as town. It's not helpful at all, but not particularly scummy in my eyes. I see Monkey as trying to contribute, but not being very efficient at it.

[al_kohaulec]

Holy, (and anybody else who happens to log on in the next few minutes), what are your current thoughts on Bx2 and Monkey?

[al_kohaulec]

Vote: Monkey

Presently I'm thinking wolfcrier is probably frustrated townie, haven't seen much of Bx2 yet, but she's seemed helpful so far. We'll find out more from her tomorrow.

Monkey I think is most likely trying to look good, and tries to provide reasons for any of his actions in a way to discourage blame on himself. i.e. not to go into details this late, but he flip flopped on the GS issue with fair reasons not to lynch him, and later switched to voting him with weak reasoning.

[al_kohaulec]

EBWOP/quadpost:

unvote,
Vote: Monkey

[al_kohaulec]

I was so certain that mathcam was the last scum, and that Holy was going to lose the game for us. Holy being werewolf took me by surprise though...

Good game.

[al_kohaulec]

If I had survived the night after the Iammars-lynch, I would have been angling for lynching mathcam or hasdgfas [the only person who can really vouch for this is probably al_kohaulec: since hasdgfas died and came up scum that same night, I wanted mathcam and Holy to be lynched, in that order of preference].

Yup, I can vouch for that. I was really doubtful that has was scum though, and I admit most of it was due to his role, which I was afraid that if he was scum, his role would've been the thing preventing me from attacking him.