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Post Post #46 (isolation #0) » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:09 am

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Am getting Moon because MoonBat is the greatest thing
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Post Post #48 (isolation #1) » Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:35 am

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I've chosen grass starter for every Pokémon game I've played

Except HeartGold

Because Chikorita is the worst.
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Post Post #58 (isolation #2) » Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:01 am

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Definitely getting the Grass starter as usual. I probably would regardless of my grass starter tradition, to be fair, because look at it!



Also, the Z-Move for the Tapus looks absolutely fucking brutal. Probopass looking like "oh shitt"
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Post Post #68 (isolation #3) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 6:28 am

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Lucky sods, I still have to wait until the 23rd
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Post Post #79 (isolation #4) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 7:36 pm

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And I still have to wait because Europe release dates
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Post Post #81 (isolation #5) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 7:55 pm

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Nope, everywhere gets it 18th except Europe, hence why I said I have to wait until the 23rd
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Post Post #102 (isolation #6) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:45 am

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In post 98, xRECKONERx wrote:anyone know of a resource listing all potential pokes on each route/area? cuz i keep spending like an hour in each route then leaving then Grimm is like "I caught a Pichu!" and I'm like "where the FUCK did you catch a Pichu"
http://www.serebii.net/pokearth/alola/index.shtml

Serebii's always a great resource. Apparently the "what Pokémon you can find" mechanic is complex as fuck in this game, though.
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Post Post #106 (isolation #7) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:34 am

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I am totally pumped for this too

Four days though :c
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Post Post #111 (isolation #8) » Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:05 am

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I've read a lot about the trainer AI being a lot better in battles and often using more complex strategies including setting up for future moves and generally being a bit tougher - is this true? I hope so, because I breezed so much through X and OR that it wasn't even funny.
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Post Post #131 (isolation #9) » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:15 am

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It arrived yay time to play
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Post Post #143 (isolation #10) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 10:21 am

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I swear the odds are rigged I've been running around Brooklet Hill for like 15 minutes and haven't seen a single Dewpider and I want one of them dammit
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Post Post #149 (isolation #11) » Fri Nov 25, 2016 6:32 pm

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Also doing no-Exp. Share and Set rules run after the doddles of Y and OR. This is a lot harder than anticipated, but I'm just about pulling through without grinding a significant amount.
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Post Post #151 (isolation #12) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:05 am

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Z-Splash boosts attack by three stages

No, really
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Post Post #152 (isolation #13) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:19 am

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In terms of new Pokémon, I love this generation and I really liked the last - I'm liking their strategy of creating a relatively small amount of Pokémon each generation (60-90) and concentrating on making most of them great, unlike Gen V which tried too hard to make as many new ones as possible with 156, resulting in a lot of mediocre designs.
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Post Post #155 (isolation #14) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:40 am

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It really works during the Totem battles, and I enjoy it then considerably.

It's kinda irritating during wild battles, but usually if I'm wild battling then I'm either trying to level up (in which case it's just exp), or I'm trying to catch a Pokémon or run through the area so clicking the "Run" option generally isn't a huge deal. So while it is just a minor irritation rather than a big huge problem with the game, it is an irritation which I find myself trying to work around.
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Post Post #156 (isolation #15) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:41 am

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Although it did make catching a female Salandit easier, since it only ever called other Salandit, I kept a chain going until a female one appeared.
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Post Post #159 (isolation #16) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:25 am

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I'm at the Roadside Motel in the north of Akala Island

Current team:
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Trumbeak and Magnemite are likely to be phased out, and maybe Meowth too - the rest are almost certainly staying.
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Post Post #162 (isolation #17) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:24 am

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Also I believe that successive Pokémon are more likely to be shiny
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Post Post #164 (isolation #18) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:49 am

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Post Post #171 (isolation #19) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:38 am

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Okay why do so many foes use Confuse Ray or things which confuse you

It is genuinely infuriating
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Post Post #172 (isolation #20) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:40 am

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Although Araquanid is like the best PokémonI love it
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Post Post #175 (isolation #21) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:56 pm

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Just gone onto the third island, turned the Exp. Share on because I was severely under-leveled. Will turn off once I get to be 1-2 levels above the natives, but they're all at 28-30 while I'm at 25-27 so yeah
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Post Post #176 (isolation #22) » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:14 pm

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Also holy crap has Leech Life had a buff and a half
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Post Post #177 (isolation #23) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:47 am

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Alolan Dugtrio has an ability called "Tangling Hair" what the hell
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Post Post #181 (isolation #24) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 6:21 am

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Fun fact - I've done pretty well throughout that game, but the fight against the Teacher was my first slap in the face as to how this game wouldn't be a piss-easy thing like Y, even if it was the only time all my Pokémon fainted

Even if the main reason it screwed me was because I didn't have a single team member which didn't have a disadvantage against Magnemite
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Post Post #197 (isolation #25) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:37 pm

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Seriously Toucannon is great

Its signature move is incredible
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Post Post #200 (isolation #26) » Mon Nov 28, 2016 8:11 pm

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I believe that on the online battles and in stuff like the battle tower thing in previous games that the super big legendaries are banned, but that's about it.
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Post Post #203 (isolation #27) » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:38 am

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No Battle Resort? Huh

It's always seemed odd that they've seemed to downgrade it

Emerald had like 7 or 8 different games, D/P just had the one Tower but Platinum had 5 different ones iirc, Black/White just had the Subway and now it's been removed completely it seems. Shame.
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Post Post #215 (isolation #28) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 4:08 am

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After the last two gens, the design of the E4 rooms was really disappointing tbh, totally out of line with how pretty the rest of the game has been

Like, B/W had those nicely themed rooms where you get gradually taken to the battle, X/Y had those pretty rooms where fire or water or whatever rains down, ORAS had rather dull rooms but a nice bridge leading towards the room

And then this just has rooms with coloured rocks and dull holograms surrounding a ring
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Post Post #218 (isolation #29) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:26 am

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In post 216, SleepyKrew wrote:I'd much rather have an E4 that were involved with the story and have rooms that look fine over really fancy rooms filled with strangers
Because those are mutually exclusive..?
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Post Post #219 (isolation #30) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:30 am

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Like your response would make sense if I'd gone "The E4 were awful in every way compared to last gen because the rooms were crap"

But all I said was "the room design was disappointing compared to both previous gens and the rest of the game's appearance"

All other factors of the E4 and league are great, and I in no way knocked them or implied that the disappointing design ruined the experience in any way so idk what the deal with your response was
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Post Post #221 (isolation #31) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:36 am

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Other than the real subjectivity of that, I think it's pretty odd to deny that they are definitely at least underwhelming compared to the room design from BW and XY.
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Post Post #223 (isolation #32) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 7:03 am

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Is it just me or is Tapu Fini hard as hell to catch?

Misty Terrain preventing status for first five turns, followed by Aqua Ring healing each turn (plus the classic legendary low catch rate) is just the worst
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Post Post #227 (isolation #33) » Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:18 am

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The other three I did first try

Fini took me around 10-15 resets

I keep my Master Balls for something which I can't afford not to catch like a shiny, not something that's difficult to catch but I can reset however many times until I manage it.
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Post Post #239 (isolation #34) » Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:24 pm

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First try through paralysing it

Reducing its ability to heal, and if it can't move on either turn of solar blade the whole move fails.
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Post Post #242 (isolation #35) » Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:10 am

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Yeah, I've only blacked out twice, and that was at the Teacher because I wasn't prepared to fight a Magnemite, and post-game with that battle with Anabel to start catching the Ultra Beasts because fuck me I wasn't expected level 61 Pokémon and my team was underleveled for the League (53-ish) and I went there straight afterwards and got absolutely slaughtered.

On the other hand, they weren't easy fights and I was regularly losing Pokémon during the tougher battles (Totems, Kahunas and League) and getting those "fuck me I only just made it" moments all the time, unlike Y where I rarely had a Pokémon faint the entire game, and then the Elite Four had the nerve to not even level up or gain Pokémon during the rematches.
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Post Post #248 (isolation #36) » Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:44 am

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Got my first shiny! Was Ditto-hunting (aim is to get one Ditto of each nature to make breeding for natures infinitely quicker through Everstone use), randomly got a shiny Fearow. With Jolly (+Spd -Sp Atk) nature too!
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Post Post #254 (isolation #37) » Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:40 pm

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Gen I is impressive in terms of the scale of the game for such a tiny cartridge - it was an amazing feat of efficiency and compression to fit all that they did onto it.

As a game, it's a good game, but incredibly glitchy and unbalanced (which is why people who played it as a kid but not as much recently love it - you don't notice that when you're a child). I admire its legacy, but as an actual game, gen I is the worst.
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Post Post #260 (isolation #38) » Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:46 am

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7>4>6>3>5>2>1
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Post Post #269 (isolation #39) » Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:57 pm

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In post 266, Natirasha wrote:Kalos was offensively bad at literally everything
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Post Post #270 (isolation #40) » Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:03 pm

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Also, was B2W2 much better than BW? Because I'm trying to figure why I hold 5 so much lower than everyone else (I never got B2W2 because I have limited money and BW I didn't enjoy a huge amount)
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Post Post #284 (isolation #41) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:00 am

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It does seem like they designed a Fire/Fighting but remembered everyone was sick of Fire/Fighting so just used the exact same Pokémon but made it dark.
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Post Post #288 (isolation #42) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:59 am

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I mean both the last two gens
have
had a cycle in their secondary typings (fighting/dark/psychic, ghost/fairy/dark), and I neither expect nor want the main typings to be anything other than grass/fire/water. No particular reason, it's just a nice tradition.
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Post Post #329 (isolation #43) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 10:09 am

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https://www.dragonflycave.com/favorite.html

Nice little website finds your favourite Pokémon (it's a bit slow to number 1, but after that the list grows fairly quickly)

My top 20 - fairly accurate to what I'd believe my top 20 to be.
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Post Post #331 (isolation #44) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:38 am

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And top 54 because that's how far I got before it started doing choices of 5 Pokémon again with 20 until my next favourite.
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Post Post #333 (isolation #45) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:58 am

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Yeah the first Pokémon takes like 20 minutes to get

But after that it's all 1v1s taking 1-5 rounds to the next Pokémon until around #50
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Post Post #341 (isolation #46) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:42 pm

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I know you can't breed Ditto but if anyone happens to have a Ditto with a Rash or Relaxed nature I would really appreciate it because I have a Ditto with every other useful nature apart from those two and yet since I reached that point I haven't found a single Ditto of those natures in the last 30 Ditto.
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Post Post #344 (isolation #47) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 10:39 pm

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great

if anyone happens to have a Pokémon with Synchronise and a Rash or Relaxed nature I would really appreciate it
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Post Post #346 (isolation #48) » Sat Dec 17, 2016 10:54 pm

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You can get a second Cosmog by visiting the Altar of the Sunne/Moone with your version's main legendary, travelling through the wormhole and then going to the thing on the Lake of the Moone/Sunne with it still in your party. Level it up and then trade it to someone with the other game so they can evolve it, and then trade it back.
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Post Post #349 (isolation #49) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 1:35 am

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Use a Net Ball with Kyogre because they're great against water types
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Post Post #350 (isolation #50) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 1:41 am

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Starting on my competitive breeding now - the two Ditto natures I'm missing are hardly super likely to be used so yeah :P
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Post Post #351 (isolation #51) » Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:30 am

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In post 339, Sudo_Nym wrote:I suppose I should figure out how pokemon breeding works, since I've never done that in any game.
http://www.serebii.net/games/breed.shtml

Pretty much covers everything (I think the only missed detail is that in SuMo the "daycare" is the Nursery on Paniola Ranch).

Also, there's a really good spot for running around for breeding - just in front of the nursery there's an enclosed area with a bunch of bales of hay and a gap in the wooden fence. Walk into that area and summon Tauros, and you can just run around in circles so you can see as soon as a new egg is in the nursery.
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Post Post #358 (isolation #52) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:08 pm

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I'm breeding for competitive with semi-comprehensive boosts (best nature possible and will fully EV train, but for IVs I'm not going for perfect, just a quite strong set) and mostly got each Pokémon done within about 10 minutes thanks to my Ditto selection plus Everstones making breeding for natures wonderfully quick

But fuck me was getting a strong Salandit an absolute pain in the ass because I swear every single time I finally got a female it seemed to have really crap IVs
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Post Post #363 (isolation #53) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:27 pm

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Ooh, just curious, I know the first time I got a dish (I think it was the ninja dish or something) in the Sushi High Roller on one of the islands I got 4 heart scales and it cost just P4000, much quicker and easier than stealing them from wild Luvdisc. Is that a thing that happens each time, or was that just a first time bonus?
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Post Post #366 (isolation #54) » Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:14 pm

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In post 364, AniX wrote:To my knowledge it happens every time.
That's amazing, grinding Luvdisc for heart scales was the worst, to be able to essentially buy them is a real help.
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Post Post #372 (isolation #55) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:14 am

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Anyone got any good locations to defence EV train? I can't find a single one which isn't infuriating in some way. Right now making do with Roggenrola in Ten Carat Hill even though the Sturdy ability is a pain, because Torkoal have burns and Geodude keep self-destructing and Sandygast keep sand tombing and ech
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Post Post #374 (isolation #56) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:19 am

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But of course the Roggenrola have fucking sand attack

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Post Post #376 (isolation #57) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:26 pm

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Isn't that really slow? I can generally get a stat fully EV trained in about 10 minutes through battles

I did find a solution - I have been using the power items for the EVs and I realised that I was getting most of the actual EVs from them, so I just had it hold that EV item while the battles were against the Pokémon which boosted the EVs of the other stat for the Pokémon.
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Post Post #385 (isolation #58) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:08 am

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Do shiny Pokémon automatically have one max IV? The Fearow I caught a week or so ago had a maxed attack IV, and I just caught a Zubat with max Sp. Def, so I don't think it's coincidence.
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Post Post #388 (isolation #59) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:49 am

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There's 18 including events and Cosmog/Cosmoem, and there seems like even more than usual as they are really bunched together at the end whereas usually they're at least spread out a little during the main story

I think that's around the same number as Gen IV? Let me count

Gen I - 5
Gen II - 6
Gen III - 10
Gen IV - 13/14 (depending whether or not you include Phione)
Gen V - 13
Gen VI - 6

Conclusion: yes there are a lot of legendaries
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Post Post #390 (isolation #60) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:43 am

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There's only 7 UBs, and I wouldn't consider the Type: Null line to be legendary
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Post Post #391 (isolation #61) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 8:45 am

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But even if you agree with my lower number, that's still 4-5 more than the highest numbers in previous gens, so it's definitely quite a few
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Post Post #393 (isolation #62) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:33 am

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I mean I suppose? But I wouldn't really say it is, not really got a justification but yeah, you're the first person I've seen say that so idk
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Post Post #401 (isolation #63) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 7:42 pm

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The line between legendary and just story-important Pokémon had been kinda blurred, what with the main legendaries being evolved from something and there being multiple copies of some of the UBs and two Cosmogs appearing in one game (although the second Cosmog is strongly implied to be from an alternate universe)

Type: Null cannot breed, which is the most reliable legendary sign I suppose (the only non-legendaries that can't breed are Nidorina and Nidoqueen, Unown, baby Pokémon, and Battle Bond Greninja), since while Manaphy does breed it doesn't breed to produce more Manaphy.

But I haven't seen any other places call Type: Null legendary, not Serebii or Bulbapedia or official Pokémon sources besides the Pokédex having a different coloured background so it's really ambiguous.
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Post Post #404 (isolation #64) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:23 pm

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I could potentially see an argument for the UBs being non-legendary even though I would strongly assert they are

But if you think the Tapus aren't legendary then I don't know what to do with you
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Post Post #406 (isolation #65) » Fri Dec 23, 2016 10:49 pm

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If you select the "exclude legendary and mythical Pokémon" option on the GTS it doesn't include the Tapus or UBs in the results.
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Post Post #408 (isolation #66) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:03 am

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Ahh so your logic is that you find multiple from their own dimension

So the Cosmog line isn't legendary either, as you find a second one of them. I mean, Cosmog is technically an Ultra Beast in the story.
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Post Post #415 (isolation #67) » Sat Dec 24, 2016 8:01 am

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Post Post #441 (isolation #68) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:30 am

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On the other hand, that feature is
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useful for EV training. By doubling the EVs gained and allowing the same Pokémon to be fought over and over rather than having to hope they appear in the random generation is an amazingly convenient feature.

Also it's incredibly fun in the Totem battles because of the cooperation tactics the Totem's helpers use which make the battles so much better.
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Post Post #442 (isolation #69) » Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:33 am

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However I will agree it can be a bit of a pain when trying to catch a Pokémon, but hey it adds a bit of variety :P
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Post Post #455 (isolation #70) » Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:36 am

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Its hidden ability, like Sand Rush, doubles its speed in hail.
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Post Post #460 (isolation #71) » Fri Feb 03, 2017 7:32 pm

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All hatched eggs will default to Alolan form

To get a regular one you need to give the non-Alolan parent of that species an Everstone in the daycare
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Post Post #462 (isolation #72) » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:56 am

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Spoiler: post-game spoilers for trading
Anyone got a Buzzwole or Kartana they could trade with my Pheremosa and Celesteela?
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Post Post #465 (isolation #73) » Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:52 pm

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What natures?
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Post Post #468 (isolation #74) » Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:24 pm

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Eh, I'll pass then I think
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Post Post #470 (isolation #75) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:28 am

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Yeah I don't really follow proper competitive strategies, generally do my own thing and then wonder why I don't do that well but it's more enjoyable to me
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Post Post #472 (isolation #76) » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:43 am

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I'll take that as a compliment

(seriously though what does that even mean)
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Post Post #473 (isolation #77) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:31 am

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I'm doing some shiny hatching of my own, actually

shiny charm and masuda method

currently 1290 eggs, no shiny

how
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Post Post #476 (isolation #78) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:44 pm

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Yeah I finally got a shiny Happiny a few hours ago at around 1375 eggs
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Post Post #478 (isolation #79) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:53 am

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...and yet I get a shiny Mudbray with just 43 eggs

Funny how these things happen
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Post Post #483 (isolation #80) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:32 am

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In post 480, Chevre wrote:Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon for the 3ds - November 17th

ultra hypeeee
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Post Post #485 (isolation #81) » Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:22 am

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There will be just enough to make regular Sun and Moon obsolete

But not really enough to make them worth buying when you already have Sun and Moon for any reason other than that
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Post Post #542 (isolation #82) » Tue May 14, 2019 7:13 am

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mine was starly which i rate bc shiny staraptor is ace
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