Mini 1887 - Oddrole Mafia (Game over)

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Socrates

For corrupting the youth

VOTE: Jaack

As someone who was socrates in 6th grade for a trial and persuaded the school to not kill me, this deeply offends me.

[Dwlee99]

^good posting

[Dwlee99]

No clue
That was good though

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: mcmenno
That wording was a bit stiff

[Dwlee99]

your mom's a bit stiff

Your pvp skills are bad, pleb

[Dwlee99]

LIT

[Dwlee99]

no

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Alban
I was stretching a bit with mcmenno to get some reactions and reads but what town with two years of experience asks if we are out of rvs.

[Dwlee99]

It is a negative utility role, you claim it in your first post, full stop. Unless you have extremely good reason to, you have to do it in your first post, it is like a miller. That isnt even why Im voting you, though, Im voting you because who the heck asks "Are we still in RVS?" outside of your first games.

[Dwlee99]

It is like you were trying to alleviate pressure on your slot by asking any question to seem useful.

[Dwlee99]

Age:15

[Dwlee99]

I am being wagoned too.

[Dwlee99]

I would argue that is feeling some type of pressure.

[Dwlee99]

Scum hang back from a claim like mine and watch to see the winds of the town.
Young town try to comment on claims like mine because they feel like it's important, so they should say something.
Old town hang back from a claim like mine and watch to see how I follow up. Am I just trying to get people to read me, or am I looking for reads?

At least one of the players voting Alban is scum.

Uhmm, non sequitur?

[Dwlee99]

That entire post is one. Your vote on not mafia is completely out of nowhere, your claim that there is scum on alban is out of nowhere.

[Dwlee99]

WAIT A MINUTE
HE WAS SCUM IN THAT GAME

So vote him?

[Dwlee99]

Scum hang back from a claim like mine and watch to see the winds of the town.
Young town try to comment on claims like mine because they feel like it's important, so they should say something.
Old town hang back from a claim like mine and watch to see how I follow up. Am I just trying to get people to read me, or am I looking for reads?

At least one of the players voting Alban is scum.

Uhmm, non sequitur?

Here are the winds of the town: Alban said something stupid about my claim. POUNCE! Scum didn't vote me, they voted Alban. There's a light chance that he's very flighty scum that said what he said, but that makes it even more likely that one of his buddies would make sure to get a vote on him early.

I am looking at the players that are surrounding the wagon and prodding at them. This isn't that complicated.

Note that Not_Mafia was the first to vote Alban. Silently.

Scum voting you would be like voting someone for claiming miller: That is dumb.
Not mafia wasnt the first to vote alban, bork bork was in response to alban wanting to wagon someone. Not mafia did naked vote him, but Im hard pressed to say that means he is scum, regardless of alban's alignment. I have seen town naked vote plenty of times (and have done it myself, especially at the beginning of games.)
The players on the wagon are bork bork, not mafia, prana, menno, and me. Not mafia naked voting him making him scum seems even less likely when you consider bork bork's reason for a vote and menno's joining the wagon in response to alban saying there was a wagon on him (and knowing menno probably in a joking way.)

[Dwlee99]

And based on experience a few times being scum and getting voted early, depending on the other scum players they can hop on at any time. I remember the one time my scum buddy hopped on my wagon with a short little post as the 5th or 6th vote, I think where the vote is is completely NAI, and arguing it is optimal for scum to hop on early is irrelevant when you realize that people do not play optimally as any alignment.

[Dwlee99]

Alban is L-2

[Dwlee99]

Yep, I am.

[Dwlee99]

the fuck ^

[Dwlee99]

Okay so do something now

[Dwlee99]

It is a negative utility role, you claim it in your first post, full stop. Unless you have extremely good reason to, you have to do it in your first post, it is like a miller. That isnt even why Im voting you, though, Im voting you because who the heck asks "Are we still in RVS?" outside of your first games.

why is that question alignment indicative?

Well if you look at the very next post..

It is like you were trying to alleviate pressure on your slot by asking any question to seem useful.

[Dwlee99]

Le Pro Tip: trying to alleviate pressure on your slot by asking any question to seem useful is scummy

[Dwlee99]

le no

[Dwlee99]

overthrow the bourgeoisie?

[Dwlee99]

Lurking out the wagon and hoping some town fucks up won't help you here, alban.

[Dwlee99]

You're just throwing shade at people making cases against you and it is really funny. You say prana is posturing yet your vote is on me, despite me clarifying my reasoning (which you said was "juvenile") and not adding anything to it. It is subtle OMGUS.

[Dwlee99]

you not adding anything*

[Dwlee99]

That is an ascetic claim lol

[Dwlee99]

snark

[Dwlee99]

I'll send my beeboy bot after you

[Dwlee99]

you went v/la, otherwise I would have asked why you were popping in for votes only and fake voted alban

[Dwlee99]

He's throwing shade because he isn't pointing out anything actually scummy or scumhunting. Here's the difference.

Alban said

No, he isn't. He is posturing.

Now, if he maybe expanded on that or explained his reasoning for believing prana was posturing, that would

not

be "throwing shade."
Instead he has just said 'No, they're posturing' which doesn't explain

anything

.

In addition, here is his post where he votes me

'Like' being the operative word. Conjecture.
I didn't feel any pressure. So there's no question about alleviating it.
Your arguments are quite juvenile.
VOTE: dwlee

He calls my arguments juvenile, doesn't say why they are juvenile, and then votes me cause.. why? And if you'll notice he's doing this to the main pushers of his wagon (you and me) to discredit us and alleviate pressure on his slot. That is why it is "throwing shade" as opposed to scumhunting.

[Dwlee99]

Alone's replacement is NAI.

[Dwlee99]

If only that hammer was real

[Dwlee99]

I did have a reason when I voted you, it is in the post where I voted. My case grows against you, yes, but it isnt post-facto reasoning.
Your repeated attempts to paint me as scummy with silly arguments is the main reason Im scumreading you. especially since it is a pushback from my push on you.

[Dwlee99]

In Spanish, so just answering the last.
Alban and all alone's slor

[Dwlee99]

Aaaaww, how sweet. Talking about pushbacks, yet you're doing the same by naming the players who are suspecting you as suspects.

You aren't even aware of why I'm scumreading you, so how can you assign any meaning to my scum read? Scumreading people who scumread you is not scummy, but having bad reasons and silly arguments as to your scum read is scummy, especially when in an OMGUS manner.

1. The one with a scummy argument is you. You took alban's post, disected it and

used one sentence out of its context to call him scummy

.

Nope

Alban checked if we were still in RVS, mentioned in that same post that the vote against him probably wasn't random and asked the voter why he voted Alban. In other words, the whole post was to question a vote. Not to alleviate pressure by asking quenstions to look useful.

Eh, fair enough.

2. Your response to Socrates is terrible. Socrates posted twice about his claim. The next post is about the Alban wagon. So his vote and him mentioning scum on the wagon didn't 'come out of nowhere'. Soft-jab spotted.

What response to socrates? Can you quote posts so I know what you're even talking about?

[Dwlee99]

I think it is odd that Alban didn't just say that he was wondering why someone voted him. His entire behavior since being wagonned has been off, I don't know enough about his posting habits to say absolutely conclusively, but his reduction in posting especially when close to lynch rubs me the wrong way.

[Dwlee99]

2. Your response to Socrates is terrible. Socrates posted twice about his claim. The next post is about the Alban wagon. So his vote and him mentioning scum on the wagon didn't 'come out of nowhere'. Soft-jab spotted.

I'm saying it doesn't logically follow. Like, he talks about some stuff, then just says "Scum is on alban wagon!" and then votes not mafia, but considering his "Scum on alban wagon" thing didn't logically follow it kinda comes out of nowhere. I don't understand this point at all?

[Dwlee99]

@Dwlee, as far as I can tell, you entire case against Alban is that you don't like the feel of his posts and the fact that he is pushing back on you. Let's see a real case out of you, yeah?

That is not the whole thing, I've already said my problems with alban's posting, you can look at my iso for that.

[Dwlee99]

Acting confident helps get out of RVS by starting a wagon, I was not super sure Alban was scum. I'm taking a step back to reexamine his slot and maybe give him time to get it together if he is town but I don't want to advance his wagon atm.

[Dwlee99]

"Says some stuff"

"didn't logically follow"

You didn't understand my words, and maybe this is my fault, but at least admit that it might have been on you to grasp what I was saying.

No, you said stuff completely unrelated to whether or not the wagon had scum on it or not.

[Dwlee99]

It is a negative utility role, you claim it in your first post, full stop. Unless you have extremely good reason to, you have to do it in your first post, it is like a miller. That isnt even why Im voting you, though, Im voting you because who the heck asks "Are we still in RVS?" outside of your first games.

It is like you were trying to alleviate pressure on your slot by asking any question to seem useful.

I am being wagoned too.

I would argue that is feeling some type of pressure.

Le Pro Tip: trying to alleviate pressure on your slot by asking any question to seem useful is scummy

Lurking out the wagon and hoping some town fucks up won't help you here, alban.

You're just throwing shade at people making cases against you and it is really funny. You say prana is posturing yet your vote is on me, despite me clarifying my reasoning (which you said was "juvenile") and not adding anything to it. It is subtle OMGUS.

you not adding anything*

He's throwing shade because he isn't pointing out anything actually scummy or scumhunting. Here's the difference.

Alban said

No, he isn't. He is posturing.

Now, if he maybe expanded on that or explained his reasoning for believing prana was posturing, that would

not

be "throwing shade."
Instead he has just said 'No, they're posturing' which doesn't explain

anything

.

In addition, here is his post where he votes me

'Like' being the operative word. Conjecture.
I didn't feel any pressure. So there's no question about alleviating it.
Your arguments are quite juvenile.
VOTE: dwlee

He calls my arguments juvenile, doesn't say why they are juvenile, and then votes me cause.. why? And if you'll notice he's doing this to the main pushers of his wagon (you and me) to discredit us and alleviate pressure on his slot. That is why it is "throwing shade" as opposed to scumhunting.

I did have a reason when I voted you, it is in the post where I voted. My case grows against you, yes, but it isnt post-facto reasoning.
Your repeated attempts to paint me as scummy with silly arguments is the main reason Im scumreading you. especially since it is a pushback from my push on you.

I think it is odd that Alban didn't just say that he was wondering why someone voted him. His entire behavior since being wagonned has been off, I don't know enough about his posting habits to say absolutely conclusively, but his reduction in posting especially when close to lynch rubs me the wrong way.

[Dwlee99]

Im 99% sure that regardless of what I did after becoming too tunnelled Id be scumread for it. Right now realizing that and taking a step back, but Im sure that remaining tunnelled wouldnt be looked upon favorably.

[Dwlee99]

Jesus christ, Dwlee, you have yet again failed to understand the words that I am saying to you. And you are apparently incapable of conceiving of this being because of anything other than my logic being nonsensical whilst yours is perfect and cohesive and clear to all around you.

You are either scum or a belligerent, dense, AND arrogant townie.

I find myself hoping it's the former.

and since nothing short of a prod is going to get Not_Mafia to post,

VOTE: Dwlee

I'm out until other people decide to start chiming in.

I literally just dont understand what youre trying to say

[Dwlee99]

Alban is more interested in having fun than in playing well.

Scum hang back from a claim like mine and watch to see the winds of the town.
Young town try to comment on claims like mine because they feel like it's important, so they should say something.
Old town hang back from a claim like mine and watch to see how I follow up. Am I just trying to get people to read me, or am

I

looking for reads?

At least one of the players voting Alban is scum.

Prana's is the strongest articulated vote. Dwlee is applying pressure as he should, but Alban is making it easy for him so that doesn't mean much.

@Gin: Do you think Alban is scummy, or just being dumb?

VOTE: Not_Mafia

This is the post we have been talking about as pim hel didnt like my response to it. Your claim that scum is on the wagon is a one-liner out of nowhere and not mafia isnt even in the post before

[Dwlee99]

EBEOP: Before you vote them

[Dwlee99]

Acting confident helps get out of RVS by starting a wagon, I was not super sure Alban was scum. I'm taking a step back to reexamine his slot and maybe give him time to get it together if he is town but I don't want to advance his wagon atm.

Seems like a complete 180 degrees turn.
While you are on the backfoot and introspecting, try answering why you are satisfied with no explanations from people on my wagon, while you were pushing me for lack of explanations.

Mcmenno and random hardly ever give explanations for anything regardless of alignment.

[Dwlee99]

I mean not strictly I guess but on a conceptial level it is naked

[Dwlee99]

conceptual*

[Dwlee99]

So I just realized NM probably has a post restriction and I feel dumb for not realizing it sooner.

[Dwlee99]

can you do votes like this to talk?
VOTE: T
VOTE: H
VOTE: I
VOTE: S
UNVOTE:

[Dwlee99]

o

[Dwlee99]

Most roles,

but not all roles

, can be found here viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12368

If you have any questions about anything PM me

[Dwlee99]

what

[Dwlee99]

I dont see why post restriction isnt possible.

[Dwlee99]

I cant bother to fix grammar on phone

[Dwlee99]

I dont see why post restriction isnt possible.

Because the game draws from chatbot mafia, and even with an original role or two, it would be out of place for a role to not at least theoretically fit in with the rest.

Maybe the Mod gave a player a crippling post restriction just to break that expectation.

I doubt it.

If Not_Mafia tried to communicate having a restriction earlier than he did, maybe I would be willing to play ball, but what is his restriction even supposed to be, Dwlee?

I mean, let's face it, its more like that he's a jester in this particular game.

Maybe he's a fucking jester.

Jesus.

I have made a mistake.

Kill me.

Day killer! Whoever you are! Shoot me! Me!

His post restriction would be voting players in the game only. I can see a bunch of ways to get around it, like VOTE: pimHEL
VOTE: dwLee
VOTE: mOmo
UNVOTE:
(Means "Hello")
But maybe doing that isnt allowed or something.

Jester is an interesting theory, I dont know if it is in the role list (although it could be added regardless) but the only time I have seen this type of thing was in League Mafia. RC was only voting and they did have a post restriction.

As another note, we can probably, at a bare minimum ask NM yes or no questions, like "Vote PlayerA if yes, vote PlayerB if no" kinda thing

[Dwlee99]

hi momo how r u

[Dwlee99]

@Dwlee

What do you think of Bang's vote?

It is a dumb vote. I feel like youre asking for something more than that from this question, though?

[Dwlee99]

Well if you are talking about fhe whole post

Wowww! SO that thread is our "master list?"
Fuck us then because that thread had like 200 roles, sorted alphabetically in multiple small groups, so basically NOT sorted.

NAI

@Mod, do we not get ANY bloody peek into setup?
Like, no of town vs mafia?
Third party or not?
Post restriction or not?

If post restriction / jester is a possibility, I am moving my vote from NM.

NAI

VOTE: Dwelee

Dumb but not necessarily scum

[Dwlee99]

Titus, it is 12 pages, read it.
I get it, I dont read when I replace in either but it is 12 pages this time, just do it.

[Dwlee99]

fuck whoever blocked and or goo'd me. I like you if you gave me a second vote though (seriously though who the hell goo'd me GAH)

[Dwlee99]

no

[Dwlee99]

I wonder why nm faked a post restriction. It was a good call to kill him even if he actually did have a post restriction.

[Dwlee99]

oh wait, someone shot him after he said he could actually post HAHA

[Dwlee99]

Momo, were you attacked last night?

[Dwlee99]

dwelee what would you think happened otherwise

@momo what was your role before you died

Another fake death like nm maybe? not sure

[Dwlee99]

What?

[Dwlee99]

@Dwlee: are the goo and the roleblock explicitly linked?

No, I got goo'd and roleblocked separately

[Dwlee99]

If you think you have a second vote, you should test to find out now, sooner than later.

VC 2.01

Not Voting (12): McMenno, Not_Mafia, randomidget, PimHel, Socrates, Börk Börk, aronagrundy, Titus, momo, bangthemafia,

Dwlee99, Dwlee99

With 12 votes in play, it takes 7 votes to lynch!

The Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2017-03-20 00:45:36)

[Dwlee99]

Actually though who the hell shoots momo? This is wifom but what is the motivation for shooting him?

[Dwlee99]

After about 100 posts or so I'll start to get down and dirty, right now I've been floating around a bit chilling with RVS. I've got a special role and I'm trying to keep on the low profiles so i dont die at night >_>

Actually screw it! I'm a bulletproof investigative role >_>

Well, now that the cat's outta the bag, there's no real point in trying to go undetected

Just realized this maybe??

[Dwlee99]

I think I want this
VOTE: Aronagrundy
VOTE: Aronagrundy

[Dwlee99]

I just checked and I wrote my doublevote wrong anyway lmao
UNVOTE:
I'm hesitant to town read titus just because titus, and I'm not sure how I feel about socrates' hammer. Pimhel is moving towards null town for me, can you explain why you think those three are town?

[Dwlee99]

Btw guys we can double hammer with my double vote so we should do that

[Dwlee99]

I just realized that there are an even number of votes so double hammers cant work. We need 7 votes for a lynch but only 12 are in play.
VOTE: [Bangarang][Bangarang]

[Dwlee99]

BLEEP BOOP SHEEP SHOOP MEEP MOOP

[Dwlee99]

I think that about does it.

Dwlee99 was a natural magnet, look at all those night actions on him

Targeted 7 times this game.

Mafia PT: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=70744

rip me