Mini Normal 1888 - TwoFace Mafia - Game Over

[mozamis]

random votes or random questions?

@Eddie dammit! ninjae'd

[mozamis]

who?

[mozamis]

"He said that some things are really best left unspoken,
But I prefer it all to be out in the open..." (Billy Bragg, "Sexuality").

Good advice for playing as town!
Lets all be out in the open as possible as town and screw scum over!

[mozamis]

"He said that some things are really best left unspoken,
But I prefer it all to be out in the open..." (Billy Bragg, "Sexuality").

Good advice for playing as town!
Lets all be out in the open as possible as town and screw scum over!

Disagree.

agree

this might be my confusion, but...
Do you agree with the guy disagreeing, or do you agree with me?

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i'm bad at scum (see my just finished last game) but I unfortunately cant use the noob scum excuse.

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in fact, lets

VOTE DOGWATCH

opportunistic scum.

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aorngrundy's answers seem honest.
dogwatch looks like nervous scum.

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oh, and fire's responses look town. he seems measured and questioning his attackers in a "i dont care, i'm innocent" kinda way.
time to stop voting fire.

[mozamis]

you should probably vote me over fire though as I did take his argument.

this looks really self conscious and trying-too-hard. I'm happy with my Dog vote, but you're next on the Moz list.

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would you still think this is ai if it were the case that eddie has done something similar before

if he were town when he did it, i guess not.
It just has that scvummy feel about it ("go on, vote me, i dont care, i'm sao fucking tiwn, oh he wifom! etc)
its not a definte tell, obv (is there such a thing?). But worth a Fos.

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for some clarity in what i'm doing, i think 189 + 191 is scum but i'm trying to see how possible it is that town!eddie made those posts.

this guy has to be town or we are all screwed.

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(he's open minded, game solving, working hard, seems logical.)
(barleycorn)

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Dogwatch gets points for not shirling any of the questions/
I'm not taking my voe off him yet, as i do that too easily (and did it in agame recentlywhen i let scum off the hook when they tried a bit harder).
But still, points for dog nonthe less.
Keyser prob town though I'm paranoid he's buddying up to me.

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so if he really is hung up on anything he can ask again.

this guy is town.
willing to answer questions AGAIN? town.
general honest vibe from his posts.
and he's all over the thread like a rash.
"he prefers it all to be out in the open...".

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so barley, keyser, aaron in my townbloc.
DO NOT LYNCH.

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WHILE I'M ON READS,
SCUM MAYBE IN DOG, EDDIE, GERRY, NORSKA

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overeager town

how can town be over eager? This game isnt about looking cool and laid back. Its about finding ou twho is lying. Simple as.

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although, i kinda wish i hadnt said that, since you look town ish, and i dont want to get bogged down in some tedious fight over playstyle.
Anyway, you'll be glad to know i can feel my zealousness evaporating as i plough through some of the tedious nonsense in this thread :p

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Are you in fact NULL on me?

No. I think you're town. It's my paranoia. You were supportive of what i said, which is very unusual on the internet, and particularly in mafia, where suspicion is rampant, and people like to let off steam and disgree with people for a laugh etc So i was stunned when you said nice things about me! And then the paranioa kicked in, as I've been buddied up to before.
TL;DR - you're town until endgame, when inevetable re-assessments have to occur.

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that's a beautiful shade of blue

is it turquoise?
Which is kinda a beautiful word as well...

FILLER FILLER FILLER!

[mozamis]

for one, I was playing on a phone all day yesterday while road tripping, so it was difficult to go back through past pages and quote things out.. It wasn't a conscious effort to avoid you.

screw it, she sounds honest.

UNVOTE

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VOTE: mozamis

keyser feels slimy. but i'll go back here since i think we can actually lynch this one.

a reason would be good.

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you unvoted, so i guess it doesnt matter.

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vote gerryoats

he looks even more useless than when he was a mason. and at least then he did sometimes make the effort. no effort at all so far.
coasting scum or useless town?
either way, not a bad day 1 lynch.

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demagoguery

love the word! let's get the word POLEMICAL in there too!

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you people are no fun

VOTE: keyser

an but no come on he is town

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also i find it funny moz said i was useless that game. when he was either the mason who got lynched (LOL) or the mason who let his partner get lynched (LOL). i forgot who i subbed in for

well, criticising you has got you posting at least

unvote

He actually sounds pissed off town.

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hello OMGUS!
Seriously, if your not going to play, replace out. Stop being a useless twat.

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oh, ffs. not agian lol

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Wanted to put these thoughts down before i get too caught up in the thread. But thinking about my wagon earlier.
Pretty sure Barley and Gerry are town.
And both their votes i think make sense from their POV. Or at least they have a reason, anyway. Barley on and off has been on me since RVS. And I annoyed Gerry by saying he was useless. So he is OMGUsing. He's wrong, but i understand his vote.
I cant remember why Eddie voted me, but i'm fairly sure there was no good reason.
But Dog's vote was the stand out scummy post.
"Oh,I'll sheep then". Effectively no reason given. Complete bullshit. And she has given my wagon REAL momentum now.
So TL;DR Barley, Gerry town.
Eddie pos scum.
Dog likely scum.

VOTE DOGWATCH

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Moz or aro idc

This is bad. You're putting me near lynch (L-1?) and you're basically saying you dont care who gets lymched between me and aru (also likely town).
Shit attitude.

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After further review of everyone on this thread

VOTE: Mozamis

and what the fuck is this?

There is either a lot of scum on my wagon or people just dont really give a shit.
Its ANOTHER VOTE without a reason.
Come on people, start playing properly.

[mozamis]

What kind of response is that? If the votes are wrong, defend.

It was very lat elast night, i went to bed. I am now defending myself.
But more importantly, your vote on me is very scummy, and you know that. Barley is widely town read, so you are just sheeping him, blending in. But actually, no reason at all for voting me.

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I just skimmed your ISO and really don't see much defense on your part at all whenever suspicion was raised. It's like you want to fly under the radar and hope everyone finds someone else to vote for.

This is bullshit. Before this wagon on me, there hadnt been any real suspicion on me. So i had nothing to answer to.

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Did you not just say barley had been on and off you all game?

i think he rvs'ed me? I dont think he asked me any questions until the recent Moz wagon.
The point is, you're trying to misrep me.
Anyway, if people have any questions, now is the time, since there is now a decnet wagon on me.

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momo and franks recent awful votes measn i could vote them.
happy with dog too.

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Without people participating in day 1 there are no associations to look at day 2. And people frequently use your logic to ensure just that for themselves Frank. Yes we are going to lynch probably a townie today and probably for bad reasons. Yes we should still try to lynch scum. You lay yourself out there. You form opinions (that you stay flexible with), you push on things that seem odd and you try. Are other days more fun? Yes. Does that matter? No. We are working gradually through a process here. Work we do now will be flawed, but those flaws will be sanded down in the hindsight of days to come. Engage in day one. Read and be read. No excuses.

Lets fight them on the beaches!
But this post has very little content.
Fos Fire.

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i think momo could be town.
He so easily could have just posted a couple of posts nad buggered off an dlurked for a bit. But he stayed the course and seemed willing to answer questions.
But yeah, i coul dgo with fire or frank.

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gonna unvote dog. Keep going back and forth on her, but i think she is town. If only because SHE keeps going back and forth, but in quite an open, "explanatory" way.

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My name is MOMOMAN.

Did lol at this.
I mean, your nam eis Momo lol
doesnt exactly inspire confidence lol

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I am MOMOMAN on EM.

ah lol ok understood.

it was still funny, seeing your name "momo" right next to seeing you say MY NAME IS MONOMAN
LOL

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VOTE: Frank

Lets lynch Frank, have a good feeling about this.

Investigate me tonight, I will come out town.

See, this looks town to me. He's right out in the open. Its almost kinda naive.
Selynee looks a bit waffly. Pos. scum.

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VOTE FIREWATER

Havent seen anything town form him all game.
Lot of emoty bullshit.

[mozamis]

Reads most town at top, descending to most scum.
Town:


The More You Ignore Moz, The Closer He Gets.
Barley
keyser
Dog

Neutral:
Aaron
Gerry
Traanscend
Shadow

Pos scum:
Frank
Eddie
Scum:
Fire.

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why fire over frank? I know you were sus on both of them, just wondering

its very close.
But frank could just be lurker/doesnt care (His vote on me was bad - but was it scum bad?)
Whereas Fire looks a lot more "blendy" and empty

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To be clear though, if in doubt, i would say frank is scum.

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ok i just figured since they were both in your scumpile, you'd vote the one with a wagon

I think you should always vote your strongest scum read, unless the deadline is close/its clear they are never gonna get lynched this day phase.

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Shit, forgot about Sleynee.
Pos scum.

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what about me moz

prob town

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I know reads/stance's can change... (your posts were nearly 600 posts apart) but do you think Fire's early posts are still "empty", upon your re-read?

completely forgot i read him as town early on.
i'll look back over him.

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Nothing i've said has been off topic and I'll respond to someone trying to discredit an argument due to its source with the scorn that it deserves. I'm attacking the actions and not the man.

@ Kevin Spacey: I think it was this kind of post that made me think Fore was town. He seemed robust and forthright in his defence.

But he has been pretty weak since then.
I'm happy with my vote.
Alrighty, you got me! I'm never happy...
I'm satisfied with my vote.

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@ Do gand Barley you're both town, get off momo! He's town.

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christ USE THE PREVIEW FOR FUCKS SAKE MOZ.
*Dog and Barley...

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"Jimmy is unsatisfied with Jimmy's posting. Jimmy is getting upset!"

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tomorrow i'll fully go into 3 or 4 people I want to talk about.

looking forward to it.

@Dog - we need more pressure on fire. atm my one vote is obv. not doing it lot. but i think he could be scum - he just has said so little of any content. If you, barley, keyser pile on him, we could be in business.

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@ Fire you're scum misrepping me.
I changed my read on you, simple as that.

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VOTE FRANK

doesnt look like people are gonna vote fire today.
frank is either scum or useless town, so it's not a bad day 1 lynch.

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hang on, didnt see transcend voted fire.
Lets make this happpen people!

VOTE FIREWATER

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fire's probably town i don't know if there's any way scum can fake that

VOTE: frank

AAAAAAAAAH LOL

VOTE FRANK

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forgot the first read existed

indeed, i forgot i town read you early on.

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@ fore - so who am i scum with? and assuming your wagon and my wagon goes nwhere, who will you lynch today? you up for frank?

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@fire

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momo is town . probably todays lynch bait target from scum.
not caught up yet, only read those 3 posts above me. But yeah, if you guys are talking about momo, no, he's "insecure" town.

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VOTE: Mozamis

Same as it ever was.

if you are town, for fs try and, you know, try...
if you are scum, then fair enough i guess. you never answered my question about who i was scum with?

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VOTE: Mozamis

After rereading I have been convinced.

damnit should have read this first!

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re-read again momo!

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oh fuck i officially withdraw p1003.
momo null while i get my shit together, sorry.
just surely to god hes not that bad as scum? *grabs a wine glass*

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@Selynee what are your reads?

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Ok catching up. Hold your fire, I'm town.
I suspect fire is scum, since he seemed too tunnelly. Partilarly coming back in saying "yeah, nothings changed, moz is scum". Classic scum maneovere. We had a lynch, a flip. But no new reads or thoughts from him. Cos its hard to make shit up as scum, so he's gone for the vote park strategy.

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VOTE: moz

l-2

Barley, you're town, unvote for christs sake.

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don't really follow Moz's read of momo, or why momo is now null for him instead of scum.

becuas ei changed my mind, so i thoughbt it best to put him at null, since i didnt really know.
It's one of these odd things of playign mafia, but people always find people chanigng votes "scummy". In reality, scum are much likely to vote park or tunnell, so they can blen din, and not have to answer questions like "why did you change your vote?".
Whatver.
Away from the game, thinkin git iver, my gut started saying momo is scum. Its world of WIFOM, but i started to give hi the benefit fo the doubt based on the wifom of "no one would be that bad as scum".
But scum do get nervous, he could well be noobish scum.

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vote firewater

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This question is classic deflection. I'll worry about who your team mates are once you swing. Can only hang one at a time.

NO, i simply want to know your reads.
Town wouldnt be this reluctant to give them out.
You could still vote me after you have given them, after all.
You're scum.

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@mozamis
Please can you post some links to your completed games where you were scum.

this is my only game as scum since i retunred to mafia before xmas.

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shall i claim at L-1?

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yes! one post that i actually spelt right! WHOOP DI DOO!

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accidental post meant for another game removed.

[mozamis]

@ MOD my last post was meant for another game, don't know if you can delete it. sorry.

done

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VOTE FIREWATER

Havent seen anything town form him all game.
Lot of emoty bullshit.

@ Fire I voted you way back here. It was only after this that you started attackin gme. So...nice try, scum fuck lol

Still no reads from fire.
Can we get a wagon on someone whio might actually be scum, please?

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Not really, since you're very likely scum and lying.
The reality is probably the old story of: your scum, i rumbled you way back, you paniced and saw me as a threat, and have been tunnelling me ever since.
Read list.
Now.

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so you dont have any reads lol

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I'm not misrepping you. I've asked you several times for some reads, and you keep not giving me any.
Now, I understand that if youare town, you might want to focus on one suspect. But what worries me is that, as town, i think - by now - you would just quite naturally have given us some inkling of your opinions about the game. You can still vote me, focus on me, but giving out some other reads shouldnt be that difficult.
It does seem likely that you are scum just struggling to make up stuff.

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this is probably the turning point in the game.
if town, can you know, POST - we have a chance.
But if keyser, barley, dogwatch (essentially the main players assuming fire is scum) just let the weaker players take me down, then town are probaly fucked.

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in some ways, thats unfair. if the weaker town players could post more then...yeah...lucky i didnt wirte the gettysburg address really lol

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guys, get me to L-1 or unvote. L-2 is good for scum, it's real no mans land.

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Want to see there 1v1 play out.

*want to see THEIR 1v1 play out

Obviously this is crucial.

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This is L-1. If you arn't comfortable with that Barley you should get off the wagon now.

whoah hang on. catching up.
at least give me a few final minutes/reads.

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a false dichotomy

you get points for using one of my fabourite "hey, I'm intelligent" phrases. (Along with the word EPISTEMOLOGY, always good to throw that around gratuitously lol).
Not town points, but points nonetheless.

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Why do you have/did you have Eddie as a scumread.

He's not a strong scum read. He had the combination of lurkerness and just not very town.
I'd still errr on the side of saying he is scum, but it's a weak scum read.
i think there's prob something in my iso about him. I'm sure i remember him posting something i didn't like.

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I guess the above post is answer to eddie as well.

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Momo prob town

lol

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whatever.

VOTE: moz

l-1

you fuckiong idiot you've lynched me.

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why didnt you giv e me a chance to catch up>
or claim?
are you scum or JUST A REALLY BAD PLAYEY?
Or just replace out if your "emotional problems" have turned you into a retard.

KILL BARLEYCORN

just in case

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FUCKIN GMORON I WAS DELIBERATELY WAITING TO L-1 SO I COULD USE MY KILL

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FIRE AND BARLEY LOSE THE GAME FOR TOWN. STUPID PLAYERS, PROBABLY TEENAGERS WITH NO FUCKING BRAINS

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pedit: wow fuck you.

i asked you to wait while i was catching up.
you didnt.
so you are stupid.
its quite simple.

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I'm not exactly a day vig.
I'm a one shot desperado. Meanig if Barley is town, I die and he doesnt. If he is scum, he dies and I dont. (altho obv i wont last long. It's like being a Bee, I guess.)

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Moz please learn how to count. You have not been lynched.

Yeah, well when you are STILL CATCHING UP, you make mistakes.
Christ knows what barley was doing.

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Moz does your shot end the day?

role pm didnt say.

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huh? i was putting you to l-1. i even said l-1 when i voted. don't put this on me lol

its your fault. Iam catchin gup, i see fire has put at L-1.
next thing i see is you vote.
It looks like youve blundered.
Why did you even vote? I asked you too.

Anyway, your both at fault as i am tonw. I'm sick oif this bullshit on this site, people dont take responibiltiy. If you are town, you're just not that good. Like Fire.
So take your medicine and SHUT THE FUCK UP.

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i should probably get a temp ban but i know that won't happen so i'm doing it myself.

hey, look I'm sorry.
I was a bit harsh.
I was just cross in the heat of the moment. You made a mistake, so did i. Dont take it too seriously, it is just a game after all.

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You were gonna shoot me right?

until tonight, when i started to think you looked more "Misguided town". Was maybe gonna do Momo, who is probably bad scum.

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Moz, why Barley? Was it an accident because you thought he hammered?

just OMGUS. Didnt think it mattered, since i thought i was dead.

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I'd still keep an eye on Fire.
He is...very bland, very nice. Keep pressurisin ghim to give reads.

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but seriously, there has been poor town play.
If this was Day 1, then yeah, understandable.
But this is day 2, with the game in the balance, and you guys are lynching soemone who Is very fucking town and fairly proactive.
Bad town play all round.

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I completely disagree with "someone who is very fucking town" and don't get how you can say that about yourself.

I'm town. So there's that.
And I've made a decent effort. Posted quite a lot, voted a lot, explained my self OUT IN THE OPEN. I have made the effort, unlike a lot of people, yourself included.
People havent used their brains, its just been a lazy "err, Moz yeah, shit, lolz we aint got any brains, why not?"

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BAH FORESTARTER WAS WRONG HE WAS WRONG I WAS RIGHT LOL

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Using the desperado on Barley?

How far was your head shoved up your ass?

He was obvious town from page 1.

ah maybe you didnt read what happened?
That was a cock up, with faults on all sides (mine and Fire's, mainly) but I OMGUSed barley in a rage. Yeah Barley was my strongest town read, apart from...um..Keyser lol
Well played scum! You had a disunited town but still you all played really well, particularly Keyser.
Although that buddying near the beginning...no one ever agrees with me on this site, so alarm bells did ring vaguely when Keyser was all "Oh yes, Moz, you're great Moz" lol But i didnt listen.
Anyway good game all, apart from Gerry who should troll in chat rooms or something if he wants to let off steam.

[mozamis]

they were lynched when they really weren't was pretty objectively bad.

Ah come on, faults on all sides you and Fire both put me at L-1 for no reason, without allowing me to defend myself. Give people a chance to make a case next time. And your vote on me was just lazy by your (good) earlier town standards.

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My scum game is shit so happy with this win.

No, you were good. And you demonstrated the value of putting in early effort. Gave you big town points which i dont think ever wore off.

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moz shot was awful no matter how you slice it

what was awful was putting someone with the best reads in the game (see the dead thread) at L-1.
The shot....well, it didnt matter. I was gonna get lynched anyway. Best case i would have shot Momo. And that wouldnt have made any difference with this town.
But yeah, hopefully Barley and Fire learned their lesson :p