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[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: eddie cane

[Eddie Cane]

"He said that some things are really best left unspoken,
But I prefer it all to be out in the open..." (Billy Bragg, "Sexuality").

Good advice for playing as town!
Lets all be out in the open as possible as town and screw scum over!

Disagree.

agree

[Eddie Cane]

Fire has three votes now with zero reasoning behind them. Can the three of you explain? We're getting out of the rvs stage at this point. Which reminds me to remove my random vote UNVOTE:

didn't I have the same? why does fires wagon bother you?

wagons are good early on. also, this game progressed out of RVS very fast which is nice.

[Eddie Cane]

**ignores every question asked to it**

what questions has dogwatch ignored?

This.

Also in what world is building alternatives to yourself something that only has scum incentives?

You'll know with experience.

"I don't have an answer to this. Quick his forum title says goon, discredit him!"

More like I'm not the IC and this is not a newbie game so I'm not gonna waste my energy on explaining basic mafia stuff that everyone should know.
Scum are survivalistic, town are less so. As town you're not as worried about getting lynched as you are as scum. As scum you quickly want a CW. As town you're more relaxed.

I don't know what kinda townie you are, but I try my ass off to not get lynched regardless of alignment. this is utter bullshit.

[Eddie Cane]

in fact
VOTE: shadowstep

[Eddie Cane]

**ignores every question asked to it**

**let me create a counter wagon to my wagon**

Basically scum who's scared of getting lynched.
Everyone pile on Dogwatch

**ignores every question asked to it**

what questions has dogwatch ignored?

You just quoted it in your previous post.

**ignores every question asked to it**

what questions has dogwatch ignored?

You just quoted it in your previous post.

So by every question you meant one question that could easily be read as rhetorical?

Seems like you are misrepresenting things in the face of pressure on grundy's awful logic. Don't worry. Once she flips i'm coming after you.

I don't care about aromagrundy. Dog watch is scum.

**ignores every question asked to it**

what questions has dogwatch ignored?

This.

Also in what world is building alternatives to yourself something that only has scum incentives?

You'll know with experience.

"I don't have an answer to this. Quick his forum title says goon, discredit him!"

More like I'm not the IC and this is not a newbie game so I'm not gonna waste my energy on explaining basic mafia stuff that everyone should know.
Scum are survivalistic, town are less so. As town you're not as worried about getting lynched as you are as scum. As scum you quickly want a CW. As town you're more relaxed.

**ignores every question asked to it**

what questions has dogwatch ignored?

You just quoted it in your previous post.

it looked rhetorical. are you saying that you wanted dogwatch to answer the question: "concerned townie much?"

how would one answer that anyway?

By why is he asking reasons for rvs votes ? What is the point of asking reasons for RVS votes ? How does one person being on 3 votes on day 1 such a big deal?

VOTE: Wdog

This is scum.

since when is ignoring a RHETORIC question scum indicative? this is blatantly misrepping a situation. also in reply to 71: it isn't scum afraid of getting lynched, i5s nai newb afraid of getting lynched. I'm really annoyed how you're trying to push a lynch on a newbie for awful reasonig this early. you're right, you're not an ic, but that doesn't mean you should be an asshole. he's new, I called him out a bit for the rvs vote questioning too. that's not scum indicative at all. but actually, viewing your iso, you've been tunnelling him from your first post.

[Eddie Cane]

You go from scumreading him to defending him, that's a 180

I go from saying that I understand how X can be perceived as a possible scumtell to going after some bad logic and clear misrepresentation from Shadow_Step. I'll go after those things wherever I see them regardless of who they are on. Do you think Shadow_step's arguments were well founded?

sheep me?

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: eddie cane

His case on shadow seems opportunistic. And he basically just repeats what others have said.

where have I repeated what others said?

[Eddie Cane]

I did use the word rhetoric from him, yes. to be honest I'd probably use sarcastic myself. fitebringer brought up the idea of shadowstep. however, I think shadow step is more likely to flip scum than you. asshole is not filler in this context - it is scum indicative. the line about the IC is what it's in reference to - i only have mobile so I don't type walls or do fancy shmanymcy multi quoting often. there was no need to bring up he wasn't an ic, he was simply omgusing indirectly.

[Eddie Cane]

in this scenario he's taking advantage of a beginner. that is the asshole attitude I am referring to.

[Eddie Cane]

Fos Eddie as well. Shadow is a shit counterwagon to Fire.

It is indeed a counterwagon to dog. you should probably vote me over fire though as I did take his argument.

[Eddie Cane]

The three votes on Fire:

VOTE: Fire

This looks like a naked RVS vote.

I.e I do not expect Pants98 to be supporting their vote with a reason of substance or deep/genuine suspicion.

VOTE: Fire

Likewise here.
Why would you suspect this is a sheep vote on substance?


Third vote:

VOTE: fire

(Insert reasoning here)

This looks like another classic RVS vote. I would not flag FrankJaeger's naked vote as opportunistic. Wagons and reactions are information.

I don't really understand Rvs then I guess, never heard of it until I started looking at games on this site.

How long have you been playing mafia?
Don't they have random votes / random questions where you're from?

Most smaller mafia sites don't like rvs. They don't understand the benefit. RQS is much more common, as to them it starts discussion, even if it's NAI discussion it has a purpose I guess.

[Eddie Cane]

you haven't played with transcend much have you

[Eddie Cane]

I need to go back through moz and aronas ISO, but out of that group, I'd say one of them.

:/

i was looking for something closer to a name.

Well, he produced a shadow tr. that's... a stance, anyways.

[Eddie Cane]

slight scum lean. the thing about his interactions with shadow is that could easily be SvS, shadow did push him but on weak ass logic (which I am voting him for). it is definktely within the realm of possibility that was very early distancing, i havent played with either of them before so im unaware of meta. Shadow flipping scum doesn't clear dog, and dog flipping scum doesn't clear shadow.

[Eddie Cane]

dude I JUST admitted you probably weren't noob scum like I originally read, and you're going to call me opportunist? This feels very reactionary, like an omgus

Fire has three votes now with zero reasoning behind them. Can the three of you explain? We're getting out of the rvs stage at this point. Which reminds me to remove my random vote UNVOTE:

these pinged me. the first is just spamming trigger words; "reactionary", "omgus". the second doesn't make much sense when he later posts that his previous site doesn't use rvs, it's implying that he understands rvs ("were getting out atp") while at the same time later saying he doesn't get rvs. his interaction with shadow is also a part of the reasoning.

[Eddie Cane]

I don't know. I don't know town!dog or scum!dog. to me it looks like something that a new scum could do to get town cred by looking like they're dissecting voting though.

[Eddie Cane]

you're asking me to speculate the meta of someone who hasn't played in 9 years. o.o

what do you mean by different? I think you're interpreting my posts differently than I intended.

[Eddie Cane]

Fire has three votes now with zero reasoning behind them. Can the three of you explain? We're getting out of the rvs stage at this point. Which reminds me to remove my random vote UNVOTE:

I played on a small site back in 2007-2008. Haven't played since. RVS wasn't a thing. Random questions were usually how we started, but I read some games on this site and it looks like RQS is an instant scum read which blows my mind. I don't really know how to play on this site yet. I'm used to games based around night decisions/analysis, items, numerous power roles, crazy gimmicks, etc. This site just looks like endless day phase squabbling to me.

If there's nothing weird about those three fire votes in the context of this site , I'm cool with that. I just didn't interpret it that way at the time.

I have an eight hour drive ahead of me, so I'll be back on later tonight/early tomorrow.

I think we agree dog doesn't understand Rvs. my interpretation is that his initial post is potentially trying to appear like he's contributing to discussion while not actually taking any sort of stance. he clearly doesn't get rvs, so immediately attacking a small wagon that formed during rvs could be "oh, lemme defend this wagon, their votes are all naked so they won't have a case and I'll look good".

and yes, that's not the strongest case on the world, remember dog is only slightly on the scum side for me.

[Eddie Cane]

idts

[Eddie Cane]

189 - dogwatch said we're out of rvs, but then he said he doesn't get rvs. this is inconsistent.

case 2 - scum!dogwatch, not getting rvs, thought he could get towncred by jumping on what he saw as 3 unsupported and therefore bad votes.

i am annoyed that you don't see these as distinct. or is my interpretation of your 189 incorrect?

dude I JUST admitted you probably weren't noob scum like I originally read, and you're going to call me opportunist? This feels very reactionary, like an omgus

Fire has three votes now with zero reasoning behind them. Can the three of you explain? We're getting out of the rvs stage at this point. Which reminds me to remove my random vote UNVOTE:

the second doesn't make much sense when he later posts that his previous site doesn't use rvs, it's implying that he understands rvs ("were getting out atp") while at the same time later saying he doesn't get rvs.

It's on the tangent that scumdog, not getting rvs, tried to use rvs related votes for town cred but it failed because he doesn't get rvs. they aren't mutually exclusive. or, it could be towndog taking a small rvs wagon too seriously.

[Eddie Cane]

you are giving me head pains.

in 188 i ask you where your scum lean of dog comes from.

in 189 you tell me it's (in part) because dog said we were out of rvs, but then said he didn't get rvs, which doesn't make sense according to you. the other parts of the scum lean are his interaction with shadow and his use of trigger words.

interjection - why is a new player using 'trigger words' scum indicative?

in 190 i ask an unclear question that's basically hinting that there was no inconsistency in dog's play. i revise this question in 197.

in 191 you come up with a

new

case that bypasses my question. then in 194 you bypass my question again by incorrectly saying I was asking you to do meta analysis.

the two points i've made that you seem not to understand are -

1. that the case you make starting from 191 is absent in 189 and
2. that there is a distinct case in 189 that i asked you about, and that you subsequently abandoned

work with me to figure this out or i'm voting you.

bro I'm really confused with what you're saying. what questions am I ignoring?

[Eddie Cane]

I think the confusion is this. I'm explaining what I interpreted you asking me to explain. I'm not making a case against dog because I'm not voting him, I'm voting shadow. so a new argument in another post might seem strange, but it's more me trying to answer you and get my words out, it's not me trying to convince you to vote dog.

[Eddie Cane]

that was the second point there basically. so, I guess your answer is yes.

[Eddie Cane]

shadow can you check in and reply to my post please?

[Eddie Cane]

yes, possible scum out of a third of the player list. opened my eyes a bit.

[Eddie Cane]

that's a beautiful shade of blue

[Eddie Cane]

I think the confusion is this. I'm explaining what I interpreted you asking me to explain. I'm not making a case against dog because I'm not voting him, I'm voting shadow. so a new argument in another post might seem strange, but it's more me trying to answer you and get my words out, it's not me trying to convince you to vote dog.

doesn't this answer that?

[Eddie Cane]

in all honesty I'm still not seeing what you're saying entirely. 191 was in reply to 190, but I didn't really see it as a seperate argument, I thought 189 implied it.

[Eddie Cane]

I get that but why aren't you responding to me directly?

[Eddie Cane]

the post was directly in reply to you asking why he's a slight scum lean for me.

[Eddie Cane]

the post was directly in reply to you asking why he's a slight scum lean for me.

holy ****

189 was in direct reply. but what was contained in 189 was a bad argument. 190 was my question about that bad argument. 191 is your response. 191 is not a bad argument but it is a different argument.

if you still disagree with this i am going to leave it because, again, i believe you did not make up 191 after i asked 190, and if 284 doesn't get my dissonance across nothing will. if both of these are true this conversation has little point.

bro I can feel your frustration sorry, it's just not clicking for me. maybe someone else could reword it?

[Eddie Cane]

WHILE I'M ON READS,
SCUM MAYBE IN DOG, EDDIE, GERRY, NORSKA

bad

[Eddie Cane]

Ott?

[Eddie Cane]

He's flaunting his impenetrable scum play and town play.
I can't see how you can instantly jump to town on him (unless you're sharing many of his same reads)

said play has got him mislynched as a pr multiple times, among other things. I think transcend is definitely a solid player but I don't really see it as "flaunting"; could you quote said flaunt?

also, one vote with no explanation really shouldn't create pressure logically but it often can anyways, some people can and do get nervous easily, as both alignments but moreso as scum.

[Eddie Cane]

I have no read on him yet. on policy I do not lynch him d1 though.

[Eddie Cane]

like, I've never worded it like that before but I'm pretty sure that's what it is. I've seen him get lynched d1 a LOT (i can link games f necessary), and he's been town nearly every time. mathematically it's just not worth it.

[Eddie Cane]

Read on Keysar I like though. Should maybe have put him under or on Eddie's spot actually.

Explain to me how I went from one of your top town leans to one of your top scum leans (in your own words).

It makes me question the sincerity of your early reads list. I'm generally not a fan of early readslists on D1.

of course his reads list is fluid at this stage, it's silly to suggest a list like that would be rock solid at all nevermind early day 1.

[Eddie Cane]

Going from calling out LAMIST to being LAMIST seems like an odd progression as the first two things you do in a game. I read looking for reasoning on me as an attempt to garner my favour as really it doesn't do much else.

Read on Keysar I like though. Should maybe have put him under or on Eddie's spot actually.

[Eddie Cane]

gerry is almost as lynchbaity as transcend from my experience. have not seen his scum game though.

[Eddie Cane]

hey btw fire, what about this iso warrants being so high on your list?

VOTE: Fire

[Eddie Cane]

hey btw fire, what about this iso warrants being so high on your list?

VOTE: Fire

Pants is the stone median of the list. If you can't understand why...

Oh, so he's just null. I interpreted it as townie the way you said "everyone below pants"

[Eddie Cane]

he looks even more useless than when he was a mason

Oh you mean that game when I tried to lynch both scum and save the game, but town lynched my TRs instead? Yeah, I remember that game!! SO useless.

what game was that? I think I remember lurking

[Eddie Cane]

Keyser has an amazing typography

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: moz

[Eddie Cane]

I would've and almost did vote him for 5 on the spot. opted to stick to my self vote though.

[Eddie Cane]

After further review of everyone on this thread

VOTE: Mozamis

Why.

[Eddie Cane]

vote gerryoats

he looks even more useless than when he was a mason. and at least then he did sometimes make the effort. no effort at all so far.
coasting scum or useless town?
either way, not a bad day 1 lynch.

:/

[Eddie Cane]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: frank

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: fire

(Insert reasoning here)

Fos Eddie as well.

Not sure if arona is town or scum yet

VOTE: eddie cane

His case on shadow seems opportunistic. And he basically just repeats what others have said.

Why is starting a wagon on someone at 0 votes opportunistic?

If someone has pointed out the logical flaws in someone's posts and you agree with it, why shouldn't you vote them?

I don't believe that logical flaws are necessarily scummy. Being inconsistent over a period of time is, repeatedly using bad logic is, but not just one instance. And he hasn't even responded yet.

But at the same time this early in the game it's fine to go off of them imo. That's just my thought process.

W/r/t eddie, it's opportunistic in the sense that he's using your logic (@eddie, i'll quote in a sec) to give the appearance of acting town.

oh, and fire's responses look town. he seems measured and questioning his attackers in a "i dont care, i'm innocent" kinda way.
time to stop voting fire.

What do you make of his 180 on dog?

This is kinda scummy.

UNVOTE: fire

VOTE: Transcend

he slipped

? Iso shows nothing

Moza maybe scum.

Prolly going to vote moz when i have time to iso, and eloquate(is that a word)

Prob day off 2mar
Real quick tho-
Thinking aro is scum now. His recent posts are anti town

atleast

Nothings changed with moz

Trans is null wtf with the votes tho

Keyser is prob town, and i don't get why he's being antagonized

Dog looking town.

Other players i need to go over.

Also there is way to much arguing about semantics.

VOTE: aro

UNVOTE:
VOTE: moz

Moz or aro idc

putting moz to l-1 with both very minimal reasoning and without even saying it was l-1. cool.

so, going over the iso: rvs vote, random fos, says a player may or may not be scum (lol), quotes followed with a non-committal sr, rvs unvote, replies to a random Gerry quip, says another person may be scum, "prevote" (idk the word for this), finally a post that at least says something commital kind of, and then putting moz to l-1 with no warning.

this is awful. particularly the moz vote and stuff like 137 and 142. non-committal comments like that don't even contribute to the thread; newsflash, popping in and saying someome being scum is a possibility does not help discussion. I'm happy with my vote here.

[Eddie Cane]

I thought I put that in hide tags my bad

[Eddie Cane]

For what it's worth I agree with you on franks vote, i would be willing to truce with you and go that route

what about Frank's vote triggers your scum radar personally as opposed to myself, momo or even transcend?

nobody answer for him.

[Eddie Cane]

mb

[Eddie Cane]

I meant my case on you

[Eddie Cane]

#105

[Eddie Cane]

I think barley is town because broccoli pushed cabbage and carrot town reads lettuce

[Eddie Cane]

it's been mostly town, but I haven't gone deep into his ISO either. this most recent interaction with him does have a slightly scummy vibe.

Similar to what fire just said, my town leans have been more plentiful this game than my scum leans, so I'm intrigued at the moment that some of the lurkers have been scum all along. It does seem odd that the moment momo came on board, that particular slot gained negative attention.

So, at the moment, my scum leans would probably be momo, frank, and maybe eddie. I've waffled a lot on moz, but I'm willing to come off that at least temporarily.

your scum read list is every person excluding transcend who voted moz after your vote... ?_?

[Eddie Cane]

let's go back to Frank. selynee, any thoughts? barley, why momo over frank?

[Eddie Cane]

"Town- trying to see if reads are genuine. Wants attention on someone he thinks is scum."post 549, Eddie Cane"]let's go back to Frank. selynee, any thoughts? barley, why momo over frank?[/quote]

[Eddie Cane]

let's go back to Frank. selynee, any thoughts? barley, why momo over frank?

Town- trying to see if reads are genuine. Wants attention on someone he thinks is scum.

[Eddie Cane]

like... what's the scum part supposed to even mean?

[Eddie Cane]

but it makes sense. starting day 1 by rolling a dice and immediately hammering whoever it chooses does not give you info for d2, and makes d2 as bad as regular d1s with the key difference of (usually - you could ofc rng scum) 2 less townies. you can't just "check back for associations d2" if there's no d1 to check back on. it's anti-town to not bother with d1 at all.

[Eddie Cane]

I WANNA SCREAM AND SHOUT AND LET IT ALL OUT

[Eddie Cane]

gn

lol

[Eddie Cane]

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN??

bro. post #600. you keep dodging the simplest questions.

[Eddie Cane]

I MIGHT BE AN IDIOT

BUT READING MOMO I FEEL LIKE HE IS THE PLAYER THAT IF HE GOT PRESSURED AS TOWN HE WULD BE LIKE FUCK YALL AND MOVE ON WITH WHATEVER ELSE HE WAS DOING

AND SCUM!HIM WOULD DEFEND THE CRAP OUT OF HIMSELF

my problem with momo is he flat out ignored multiple questions and refuses to acknowledge they even exist

MOMO

- why are you voting frank? what prompted that?

[Eddie Cane]

hi! care for a game of shuffleboard?

[Eddie Cane]

Where is everyone

im sitting at home on my phone angry that i don't have a computer

you best be planning to interact with people if you're asking this question. any specific people you have questions for/want to talk to?

I haven't had a computer fir 6 months ;(

[Eddie Cane]

I can't be meta'd so it's pointless

[Eddie Cane]

no, it makes sense, you're acting scummy as fuck on the surface level so to me it makes sense newbs (firedog) are voting you. gerry and barley are the two votes you should be questioning. I think you're a town lean for me (can't explain why - ongoing games rule etc) but that's both very slight and something I'm not confident in. the reason you have a wagon is because you do things like admit to joining the biggest wagon because it's the biggest wagon and lie about the reason, and completely dodge questions (600? what? gn.) that you still haven't answered btw. it's your fault, I don't think it's pretty much the biggest joke ever, maybe dad joke level at best.

[Eddie Cane]

Nothing i've said has been off topic and I'll respond to someone trying to discredit an argument due to its source with the scorn that it deserves. I'm attacking the actions and not the man.

@ Kevin Spacey: I think it was this kind of post that made me think Fore was town. He seemed robust and forthright in his defence.

But he has been pretty weak since then.
I'm happy with my vote.
Alrighty, you got me! I'm never happy...
I'm satisfied with my vote.

what does any of this mean

[Eddie Cane]

I don't event think the investigate me thing should be AI

[Eddie Cane]

even if cop does investigate him it's not even necessarily worth outing yourself for one scum result, it's really just a pointless line

[Eddie Cane]

let's say transcend is cop and gets a guilty on momo. is he supposed to switch from defending momo to tunnelling him? you get a possible target on your back in exchange for easy town cred. plus, you aren't even necessarily gonna target momo as cop, and we don't even necessarily have a cop. I really disagree with the premise you deserve town cred for asking to be investigated.

[Eddie Cane]

tomorrow i'll fully go into 3 or 4 people I want to talk about.

looking forward to it.

@Dog - we need more pressure on fire. atm my one vote is obv. not doing it lot. but i think he could be scum - he just has said so little of any content. If you, barley, keyser pile on him, we could be in business.

You could say it's a dogpile

[Eddie Cane]

0 chance I'm voting fire today. his ideas have meshed super well with mine itg and that's as good a town tell as there is.

[Eddie Cane]

well tbh mostly just talking shadow step stuff and stuff like 558. I like fire as town rn and think we should lynch elsewhere.

[Eddie Cane]

I actually don't really understand why fire!scum is something ppl keep saying

@mozamis @transcend why is fire scum

[Eddie Cane]

selynee subbed recently do 8 posts isn't even thar low IM/O

[Eddie Cane]

aite so what are you gonna do with your vote then

@fire come lynch scum with us and vote frank

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: fire

(Insert reasoning here)

UNVOTE: fire

Prob day off 2mar
Real quick tho-
Thinking aro is scum now. His recent posts are anti town

atleast

Nothings changed with moz

Trans is null wtf with the votes tho

Keyser is prob town, and i don't get why he's being antagonized

Dog looking town.

Other players i need to go over.

Also there is way to much arguing about semantics.

VOTE: aro

UNVOTE:
VOTE: moz

Moz or aro idc

UNVOTE:
Until i can read the last few pages

frank has voted a lot btw!

[Eddie Cane]

Eddie gives me the willies.

124 and 134 just don't jive well at all. Combined with the fact that he then continues to read me as town after it.

If he actually townreads me he shouldn't be trying to wash pressure off of him onto me unless its literally me or him.

Also my play today hasn't really been towniemctown so I feel as if continuing to back me is trying to pocket me/ make him look good if I get mislynched.

There is also the possibility he just agreed with me on a couple of things early on day 1 and townread me too much for it. Outside of interaction with me I don't think he's done much unusual. I'd lynch Gerry and probably still Frank over him at this point.

How did I try to put pressure on you?

[Eddie Cane]

Fos Eddie as well. Shadow is a shit counterwagon to Fire.

It is indeed a counterwagon to dog. you should probably

vote me over fire

though as I did take his argument.

1 small hole in that argument.

[Eddie Cane]

eddie cane reminds me of someone

dont say if you do know who I am please

[Eddie Cane]

or we could not railroad lynch on d1 reads?

[Eddie Cane]

fire is town jesus

is frank at l-2

yea

[Eddie Cane]

gerry thoughts on frank

[Eddie Cane]

it's l-2

[Eddie Cane]

finally

[Eddie Cane]

Prodge?

You got lynched lol

[Eddie Cane]

a wise man once told me "you only live once"

[Eddie Cane]

lol

did you know

[Eddie Cane]

nahh let him claim

[Eddie Cane]

lol

did you know

no. did you?

indeed, though transcend lolhammers so I don't blame you

[Eddie Cane]

why did you

trick

me?

Great word choice (not sarcasm)

reactions that didn't happen ("prodge" when you're at l-1 or lynched lol)

[Eddie Cane]

it was weird I kept tryna joke and you'd snipe me

anyways

gn

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: frank

VOTE: Frank

L0

Prodge?

[Eddie Cane]

lurking killed this dp.

dp?

[Eddie Cane]

so you now town read frank?

[Eddie Cane]

Better than VI, I guess.
I agree with momo, but I've got the same impression from Frank- displaying a lot of confidence. To a lesser degree, gerryoat, as I have a feeling this is his playstyle.

I don't see anything in that quote from Frank. Even if it is true, it can be an excuse to be mostly absent D1.

Don't see any possibility where an investigative role with a guilty won't try at his/her best to lynch you, even if they won't out themselves. The way I see, he is either town or a very confident mafia.

I meant selynee. that is his scum list if I interpreted it correctly. he hasn't given a solid stance on frank so I want one.

[Eddie Cane]

...


lol

[Eddie Cane]

hope she gets well soon

@sely it wasn't a real hammer...

Thank you. She will miss her playoff game and chance to get her 100th point. she is sad

[Eddie Cane]

that's still not a frank stance ^

[Eddie Cane]

that's real hammer I think @mod

[Eddie Cane]

I would have liked selynee to not dodge the question before a hammer but whatever.

[Eddie Cane]

Frank hasnt posted in like 4 days lol. why are we wagoning him so hard right now? this is how yolo lynches happen and we lynch town. why not wait for him to get back and answer questions. then i can get a better idea on him

What makes momo different? like tell me why momo is scum but frank was town.

[Eddie Cane]

same

VOTE: Transcend

[Eddie Cane]

Frank hasnt posted in like 4 days lol. why are we wagoning him so hard right now? this is how yolo lynches happen and we lynch town. why not wait for him to get back and answer questions. then i can get a better idea on him

What makes momo different? like tell me why momo is scum but frank was town.

look at his last few posts. look at his response to claiming, that was by far the most town thing ive seen. sadly i wasnt around then.

hm.

hi btw @ boon


fos selynee for dodging me asking for a frank stance

I'll sheep for now though because MOMOMAN intimidates me.
VOTE: momo

[Eddie Cane]

Spoiler:

What

dude what??

Transcend seriously stop and tell me what is happening.

Don't understand the question.

Unless you want to know this:

I am MOMOMAN on EM.

What??

Pls explain this to me......

Why???

Explain!!!!!

WHAT IS THE QUESTION???

lol

sorry isoing momo again didn't produce anything new besides laughs

[Eddie Cane]

I just did it to fit in so to speak. I had just replaced in. There was this huge wagon everyone seemed to be on. So why not??

[Eddie Cane]

UNVOTE:

unrelated to the above:

@mod VLA until the 25th [/vote]

[Eddie Cane]

VLA until the 25th

*

[Eddie Cane]

I'll be active enough for most of it. I'm on vacation but there will be wifi other than on the flights.

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: moz

l-2

Barley, you're town, unvote for christs sake.

lol

[Eddie Cane]

boon, have you caught up?

[Eddie Cane]

I was the one who started the frank lynch, but I'm not as confident in momo flipping scum

[Eddie Cane]

@Eddie - thoughts on Wheme?

This is with 0 meta on him, but he looks like he's lynchbaity as a player. Obviously that implies I have a soft scumread on him, which I do, but it looks more playstyle-y than alignment indicative. I'll quote stuff now.

[Eddie Cane]

Wheme came in way too eager to hammer but again I feel that's behavior that comes to playstyle, it's just not the kind of thing I think scum would actually do. I can't really hound him for voting frank because there was no scenario I wanted frank alive, if he was town he was always going to be low hanging fruit and a question mark and you don't want that late game. it's different from momo because frank is on a more... comprehensible level. I don't even think momo is awful, but you can pretty much tell it's not some massive scum facade so he's pretty much just nai in posting and needs to be sorted through actions.

Overall though wheme has little content and barley pointed out the obvious stuff, especially 1035. I put him 60:40 scum. ignoring the specific content there's just not much to go off. other than dog/momo/moz/now barley I don't think he's even acknowledged the rest of the player list exists which pings me.

[Eddie Cane]

guys, get me to L-1 or unvote. L-2 is good for scum, it's real no mans land.

what lol

[Eddie Cane]

Reads most town at top, descending to most scum.
Town:


The More You Ignore Moz, The Closer He Gets.
Barley
keyser
Dog

Neutral:
Aaron
Gerry
Traanscend
Shadow

Pos scum:
Frank
Eddie
Scum:
Fire.

helo you've ignored 3 or 4 times so I'll ask directly: why do you scum read me? we've heard about fire plenty and frank flipped. you're not explaining your read on me and if im pos scum that should be your goal. especially since one of your other positions scum is dead so your only rmscumreads were fire and myself. throwing out names and not giving reasoning when asked doesn't help.

[Eddie Cane]

guys, get me to L-1 or unvote. L-2 is good for scum, it's real no mans land.

Lol @ Moz

I said this

[Eddie Cane]

why didnt you giv e me a chance to catch up>
or claim?
are you scum or JUST A REALLY BAD PLAYEY?
Or just replace out if your "emotional problems" have turned you into a retard.

KILL BARLEYCORN

just in case

holy shit

[Eddie Cane]

never heard of desperado had to wiki

so regardless of whether barley or moz dies the day continues? I didn't even know desperado was normal

[Eddie Cane]

Wheme came in way too eager to hammer but again I feel that's behavior that comes to playstyle, it's just not the kind of thing I think scum would actually do. I can't really hound him for voting frank because there was no scenario I wanted frank alive, if he was town he was always going to be low hanging fruit and a question mark and you don't want that late game. it's different from momo because frank is on a more... comprehensible level. I don't even think momo is awful, but you can pretty much tell it's not some massive scum facade so he's pretty much just nai in posting and needs to be sorted through actions.

Overall though wheme has little content and barley pointed out the obvious stuff, especially 1035. I put him 60:40 scum. ignoring the specific content there's just not much to go off. other than dog/momo/moz/now barley I don't think he's even acknowledged the rest of the player list exists which pings me.

[Eddie Cane]

Don't days only end when someone has been lynched or timer runs out?

on other sites I've seen some day roles that result in a kill end the day. granted usually in role madness games only where night isn't so bad for town

[Eddie Cane]

and i do take responsibility for my shit play. after this game i'm not touching the site for at least a couple months.

but stop using my mental illness to insult me.

It feels bad just now with someone shouting at you. Your play wasn't perfect but you don't deserve that. I'd rather have you in the game than a replacement. Hopefully when you wake up tomorrow you won't feel forced off of the site.

Barley ur globally accepted as town you aren't playing shit lol

[Eddie Cane]

no point ccing. host will confirm via flipping one of them or posting a vc therefore ignoring it

[Eddie Cane]

how would one accidentally bold a kill target

[Eddie Cane]

I wasn't voting you and probably wouldn't have but I completely disagree with "someone who is very fucking town" and don't get how you can say that about yourself. there has been bad town play and I'm partially to blame due to vaca (btw my first 2 days in israel have been great!!) but seriously dude come on

[Eddie Cane]

hey btw @barley why is selynee in your town pile, iirc you were sring them?

[Eddie Cane]

well now we get barley confirmed one way or another probably (I mean seriously fakeclaim desperado lol?). looks like we found the main.

[Eddie Cane]

hi gerry. any sarcastic comment (read/thoughts) in reply to moz dayvig and ensuing discussion?

[Eddie Cane]

you're dead my friend

[Eddie Cane]

yh I realized after it looked serious to me this is what I get for posting at 2 30 am drunk gn!!

[Eddie Cane]

massive is a player in a different game. no clue who I meant... himself?

[Eddie Cane]

I've never advocated for a policy lynch on my life and think it's anti town. that said, I'm pretty close here, especially because I think wheme is being scumread for playstyle mostly (though I'm better with his lynch than moz or momo re alignment

[Eddie Cane]

let's see if it happened or not. if not, we can lynch mozamis.

this is a scumpost

Why? if mozamis faked desperado wouldn't we just lynch him on the spot?

[Eddie Cane]

Mort = barley altslipping

[Eddie Cane]

barley is conftown due to desperado

[Eddie Cane]

don't think I'm gonna support a wheme lynch. I really feel it's just a playstyle thing and so many mislynches happen during to playstyle differences.

[Eddie Cane]

I would vote boon before I vote wheme

[Eddie Cane]

I am fine voting Boon.

VOTE: Boonskies

explain why please

[Eddie Cane]

nope.

explain why please

[Eddie Cane]

Alright, that's L-2. I was probably going to miss later, but now I might have to focus extra energy on this in between shots.

Odd night tracker. Tracked Keyser last night to nowhere.

Why Keyser assuming it was your choice and not ss?

[Eddie Cane]

Alright, that's L-2. I was probably going to miss later, but now I might have to focus extra energy on this in between shots.

Odd night tracker. Tracked Keyser last night to nowhere.

Why Keyser assuming it was your choice and not ss?

I wanted to track someone on the last wagon, that wasn't being generally scum read. If keyser was scum, it would have made sense for him to make the kill on the scum team.

not the logic I would use but I can understand it I /guess/. however, more importantly, it makes sense with your day opening having Keyser as your town read. could've definitely been a premeditated fake, don't get me wrong, but I believe it tentatively.

[Eddie Cane]

I mean, it's odd night tracker and follower isn't /that/ strong of an info role, so it's feasible. we don't know of the mafia prs either due to lack of a flip so we don't know the power scale we're looking at.


I'd say if anyone has another info role boon is lying, I doubt there'd be a third. other than that I'm putting him in my town pile.

[Eddie Cane]

I don't want a counterclaim.

but, come a claim, I'm doubting boon. counrerclaiming with anything other than tracker is dumb here.

[Eddie Cane]

scum can fakeclaim if they want. info roles are the hardest to fakeclaim since you need... yknow... info. claiming something like 1x motion detector isn't going to fly.

[Eddie Cane]

i'll vote gerry or wheme or momo in that order.

oh gee looks like the people who talk the least get scumread the most.

Keyser isn't talking much. why leave him out

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: selynee

[Eddie Cane]

well golly gee I'm convinced

[Eddie Cane]

i'll vote gerry or wheme or momo in that order.

oh gee looks like the people who talk the least get scumread the most.

90% sure everyone there is town

momo

DogWatch
FireScreamer

WhemeStar

Selynee

gerryoat

Eddie Cane

Barleycorn

Boonskiies

Keyser Söze

so which ones are scum?

cross selynee off too

[Eddie Cane]

is anyone joining me on selynee or do I need to go back to momo

[Eddie Cane]

@Barley hello.

What am I being lynched now.

People these days. Use an unverifiable knowledge and they go crazy.

Go lynch fire. Since moz is town, fire is the lynch.

what does this post even mean

momo I'm not lynching fire he's my strongest tr atp (not counting barley because conf). who else do you find scummy? why?

[Eddie Cane]

lol

[Eddie Cane]

barley thoughts on voting selynee

[Eddie Cane]

why would you be voting seylnee who hasnt posted in like 4 days lmfao. what are you going to get out of their flip regardless of alignment?

it's a simple

I think

scum

is selynee

if he isn't back before dl hell be replaced. he isn't getting lynched without coming back. he can earn heavy scum points though

[Eddie Cane]

he

[Eddie Cane]

llo

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: Dogwatch

Eddie I'll come back to you

Show me scum-Dogwatch.

She isn't getting lynched today.

why didn't you reply to 1412? as in, why bring up a naked vote on Dogwatch but not a naked vote on Eddie? neither of us were wagons so I want to know why dogwatch vote concerns you but eddie vote does not.

[Eddie Cane]

nobody asked you a question in 1487 either. I'm asking why you relied to it.

[Eddie Cane]

except wheme did vote me...? w/e this isn't going anywhere


I suppose nobody is voting selynee

VOTE: momo

[Eddie Cane]

except wheme did vote me...? w/e this isn't going anywhere


I suppose nobody is voting selynee

VOTE: momo

Oh, he was replaced. my bad.

hi ThinkBig! hope you improve your slot.

[Eddie Cane]

we have a confirmed town and a probable pr. we aren't no lynching.

[Eddie Cane]

Because there is 0 reason to SR Momo.

To quote Trump, WRONG

[Eddie Cane]

example: joining the game, voting the biggest wagon because it's the biggest wagon without any prior reading, lying about reasoning

[Eddie Cane]

znipe

[Eddie Cane]

so you are telling me you are tring momo strong enough and have enough confidence in him that you want him in lylo?

[Eddie Cane]

like, sure, you view him as a town that doesn't care. are you sure of that? sell it to me.

[Eddie Cane]

I want to clarify. are you OPPOSING a momo lynch? I interpreted you as saying lynching momo would be dumb, I'm trying to say it's much better to lynch a. useless player early than late. moreso, this useless player isn't just nai, I'm pretty sure lying about why you voted someone isn't nai. the rest of momo s behaviour COULD be chalked up to vi, but I don't think it is and regardless I think the scummy stupidity combination shouldn't trudge on through the game

[Eddie Cane]

What? Isn't me saying that r will be lynched because it's policy saying he won't make it to lylo?

Yes, for now I am.

why would scum!momo ignore questions asked of him and lie about things as if he just doesn't care? Scum wouldn't do that

it's not fair to say he's not going to be around in lylo and argue against it. if you think he is town you should argue it stronger. and not just be passive aggressive. why would town!momo ignore questions and lie about things? bad gameplay can't just be chopped up to bad town because the play is senseless from either alignment.

[Eddie Cane]

waiting for tbslot and boonpost. im pretty useless rn.

[Eddie Cane]

UNVOTE:

let's see thinkbigs catchup and moreover I'm getting cold feet at the lack of counterwagon. scum would want to delay this lynch as much as possible due to momos insane unreadabulity I think - there are no risks to defending scum!momo because trying to analyze his interactions is a joke.

[Eddie Cane]

Keyser- what is your opinion regarding momo?

[Eddie Cane]

wheme- with all due respect I get you're defending momo and that's cool n all but be more proactive. he was at l-1 and still has a high shot of being lynched today. just shouting about it isn't going to stop him getting lynched but it will get you lynched as the partner in a scum flip. if you AREN'T scum you should take a different approach as my read on you is starting to darken.

[Eddie Cane]

eddie i already explained why momo is a good lynch. he'll be lynched now or on lylo. town or maf. what you prefer?

If we accept him as town he won't be lynched and scum would be obvious trying. Do you not find it strange there is no alternative, no counterwagon, nothing? d1 we lynched a pretty useless player who flipped town and I was the first one to vote frank. I get the benefits of lynching momo but it feels wrong when my guts telling me not to.

[Eddie Cane]

the times low, I'm busy today, I'll lynch mono if we don't get another wagon going. just... bleh

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: keyser

[Eddie Cane]

has Keyser even me turned mono exists jfc

[Eddie Cane]

ThinkBig is my primary choice but it feels bad to start a wagon on a sub who hasn't even caught up yet

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: unvote [/unvote]

momo, vote ThinkBig. I'm keeping my vote off because I'll be o line to vote if his catchup is bad. he still has a day, shouldnt be quick hammered.

[Eddie Cane]

UNVOTE:

[Eddie Cane]

whatever. if barley won't support it it's not happening.

VOTE: momo

[Eddie Cane]

I'm in israel and it is indeed shabbat today. had shabbat dinner 4 hours ago.

[Eddie Cane]

whatever. if barley won't support it it's not happening.

VOTE: momo

maybe I didn't go far enough back in your iso, but where did your scum read of the selynee/Think slot come from?

fosd selynee for completely dodging me asking about frank multiple times iirc

[Eddie Cane]

hi barley

[Eddie Cane]

I was looking for a counterwagon that wasn't on the momo wagon. I figured if momo is town it's highly unlikely all 3 scum are on the wagon - after all, it's a policy lynch partially, scum don't need blood.

this leaves wheme, Keyser, TB. wheme is arguing against the lynch kind of. Keyser hadn't even acknowledged momos existence which I found strange, and I scumread thinkbigs slot due to selynee. I didn't want to lynch him without letting him catchup so Keyser would've been my counterwagon of choice but tb is fine too.

it wasn't really that last minute, we had over a day left. now it's lastminute.com and probably too late. regardless, I am not confident in town!momo because this play is pretty much part for the momo course but that moz vote and reasoning still gets me. I hate the lack of counterwagon.

this ends the early morning Eddie broadcast.

[Eddie Cane]

quote every mention of momo you have please! didn't see anything relevant

[Eddie Cane]

I only have mobile. I can't ctrl f.

[Eddie Cane]

drat! shoulda lynched mozamis today.

[Eddie Cane]

do you have a catchup to post thinkbig

[Eddie Cane]

I see Keyser at the top of everyone's list. sell me on it. @fire and dogwatch specifically but anyone who hard TRs him too. I've barely noticed his slot which is usually scum indicative, though he definitely has more than 0 presence.

speaking of 0 presence, I hope thinkbigs catchup is good because I fos that slot hard and would be voting it now if it wasn't Mylo.

mass claiming time, we popcorn it. barley goes last (obviously) and can pick who claims first.

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: Dogwatch

Eddie I'll come back to you

VOTE: Eddie

explain these votes. and, yes, pick the next person.

[Eddie Cane]

what am I supposed to do lol

[Eddie Cane]

he is probably the scummiest player so it makes sense he would be first, the fact he did it on his own is something out of my control. do you disagree he should choose the next person?

[Eddie Cane]

I'm posting a reads list after the mass claim BTW

[Eddie Cane]

so wheme doesn't pick the next person. I don't consider it protest worthy and don't really care, but whatever lol

[Eddie Cane]

you didn't answer why you townread Keyser btw

[Eddie Cane]

I do disagree. Barley starting it made the most sense and you let him do that without protest.

what's your point? i'm actually curious, what was eddie supposed to do? and why should i claim first?

You don't claim first you claim last. You pick who goes first.

And Eddie is supposed to not let a scumread take the role he just designated is best filled by confirmed town.

Well guess what? the scumread took the role without asking. the damage is done. it's typically the scummiest to towniest who claim, so in most games he'd be the first to claim anyways. how do you propose I react?

[Eddie Cane]

Ill do a dive on Keysar somepoint soon Eddie ok? Its mostly a feel thing from early in the game and it probably is appropriate that I reexamine him.

kk