Mini Normal 1888 - TwoFace Mafia - Game Over

FireScreamer · Post Post #8 (isolation #0) » Fri Feb 24, 2017 10:56 am

In post 4, Eddie Cane wrote:VOTE: eddie cane

It's a confession.

VOTE: Eddie Cane

FireScreamer · Post Post #13 (isolation #1) » Fri Feb 24, 2017 11:57 am

In post 12, mozamis wrote:"He said that some things are really best left unspoken,
But I prefer it all to be out in the open..." (Billy Bragg, "Sexuality").

Good advice for playing as town!
Lets all be out in the open as possible as town and screw scum over!

Disagree.

FireScreamer · Post Post #20 (isolation #2) » Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:11 pm

In post 18, DogWatch wrote:
In post 12, mozamis wrote:Lets all be out in the open as possible as town and screw scum over!
This looks like something I would have written the very first time I ever played scum

A eagerness to be townread is a null tell in my opinion. Which is the rather transparent level 1 reasoning to spout something like that.

FireScreamer · Post Post #45 (isolation #3) » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:21 am

In post 44, DogWatch wrote:Fire has three votes now with zero reasoning behind them. Can the three of you explain? We're getting out of the rvs stage at this point. Which reminds me to remove my random vote UNVOTE:

Just because there is no reasoning next to then doesn't mean there is no reasoning behind them.

FireScreamer · Post Post #51 (isolation #4) » Sat Feb 25, 2017 4:02 am

In post 50, aronagrundy wrote:That said, dog's resistance to the fire wagon makes me want to vote fire so

VOTE: fire

While I can follow the logic that someone overeager to defend at this point is a possible scumread, I don't understand then voting the defended and not the defender.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DogWatch

FireScreamer · Post Post #53 (isolation #5) » Sat Feb 25, 2017 4:16 am

In post 52, aronagrundy wrote:Well I've just wanted to get a wagon going honestly.

That said 51 is bad. Why would scum!dogwatch be resisting town!fire's wagon at this stage in the game?

Because it is a wagon with no substance that will dissipate and then if I ever flip it certainly doesn't look bad for him.

Also your logic is player X is scum. Player X defended player Y. So I will vote for player Y.

Do you not see the issue there?

FireScreamer · Post Post #55 (isolation #6) » Sat Feb 25, 2017 4:28 am

In post 54, aronagrundy wrote:Exactly, which is why his defense lacks substance. If it's going to dissipate anyway, is anyone really going to give him towncred for defending your wagon?

I also never said dog was scum. I've wanted to start a wagon and felt like fucking with him

If dog isn't scum then what relevance does him defending me have? He would be uninformed. The only way you can read him defending me as me being scum is if you also read it as him being scum. Otherwise it is obviously a null tell.

You are doing things that don't make logical sense and hiding it behind a teehee attitude.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: aronagrundy

FireScreamer · Post Post #57 (isolation #7) » Sat Feb 25, 2017 4:35 am

In post 56, aronagrundy wrote:I didn't have a read on you when I voted you. But I didn't like your reaction. This is why early game wagons are fun

I've pointed out exactly why I reacted. What you are doing doesn't logically follow the reasoning you are giving for it. Even if you want to giggle it all away as "I was only pretending".

FireScreamer · Post Post #59 (isolation #8) » Sat Feb 25, 2017 4:45 am

In post 58, aronagrundy wrote:I wasn't pretending to be looking for reactions

You don't seem to be able to argue against my point that what you were doing didn't make sense. So I am confused by your conclusion that someone reacting against dissonance is scummy.

FireScreamer · Post Post #62 (isolation #9) » Sat Feb 25, 2017 4:54 am

In post 61, aronagrundy wrote:51 assumes that I thought dog was scum, which i admit could be a fair interpretation of my vote. But I also explained why assuming scum!dog is opposing town!fire's wagon is shaky logic

And I have explained why it isn't in the slightest and why any basis on a read on me starting with !scumdog should end with !scumdog. Now we are talking in circles.

FireScreamer · Post Post #75 (isolation #10) » Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:54 am

In post 73, Barleycorn wrote:
In post 71, Shadow_step wrote:**ignores every question asked to it**
what questions has dogwatch ignored?

This.

Also in what world is building alternatives to yourself something that only has scum incentives?

FireScreamer · Post Post #77 (isolation #11) » Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:57 am

In post 76, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 73, Barleycorn wrote:
In post 71, Shadow_step wrote:**ignores every question asked to it**
what questions has dogwatch ignored?
You just quoted it in your previous post.

So by every question you meant one question that could easily be read as rhetorical?

Seems like you are misrepresenting things in the face of pressure on grundy's awful logic. Don't worry. Once she flips i'm coming after you.

FireScreamer · Post Post #80 (isolation #12) » Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:59 am

In post 78, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 75, FireScreamer wrote:
In post 73, Barleycorn wrote:
In post 71, Shadow_step wrote:**ignores every question asked to it**
what questions has dogwatch ignored?
This.

Also in what world is building alternatives to yourself something that only has scum incentives?
You'll know with experience.

"I don't have an answer to this. Quick his forum title says goon, discredit him!"

FireScreamer · Post Post #83 (isolation #13) » Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:00 am

In post 79, Barleycorn wrote:
In post 74, Shadow_step wrote:No it wasn't.
It's trying to show that he's being pro town by asking a bunch of people as to why they are RVS voting Fire. Being on 3 votes is nothing. It's L-4, what's the big deal?
so you think scum!dogwatch was trying to look like a concerned townie

Also I thought we have covered already that a desire to appear townie also has incentives for actual townies and is therefor a null tell.

FireScreamer · Post Post #87 (isolation #14) » Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:07 am

In post 85, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 80, FireScreamer wrote:
In post 78, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 75, FireScreamer wrote:
In post 73, Barleycorn wrote:
In post 71, Shadow_step wrote:**ignores every question asked to it**
what questions has dogwatch ignored?
This.

Also in what world is building alternatives to yourself something that only has scum incentives?
You'll know with experience.
"I don't have an answer to this. Quick his forum title says goon, discredit him!"
More like I'm not the IC and this is not a newbie game so I'm not gonna waste my energy on explaining basic mafia stuff that everyone should know.
Scum are survivalistic, town are less so. As town you're not as worried about getting lynched as you are as scum. As scum you quickly want a CW. As town you're more relaxed.

Well its a good job you are not the IC because you sure like to matter of factly state nonsense and patronize needlessly.

FireScreamer · Post Post #91 (isolation #15) » Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:14 am

In post 89, Barleycorn wrote:fire, stop mucking up the thread please.

Specify how. I should probably be cleaning up the quote pyramids I guess.

FireScreamer · Post Post #93 (isolation #16) » Sat Feb 25, 2017 7:18 am

In post 92, Barleycorn wrote:
In post 91, FireScreamer wrote:
In post 89, Barleycorn wrote:fire, stop mucking up the thread please.
Specify how. I should probably be cleaning up the quote pyramids I guess.
an off-topic post and an antagonizing one.

Nothing i've said has been off topic and I'll respond to someone trying to discredit an argument due to its source with the scorn that it deserves. I'm attacking the actions and not the man.

FireScreamer · Post Post #107 (isolation #17) » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:22 am

In post 106, aronagrundy wrote:
In post 102, mozamis wrote:oh, and fire's responses look town. he seems measured and questioning his attackers in a "i dont care, i'm innocent" kinda way.
time to stop voting fire.
What do you make of his 180 on dog?

I think you should read that again.

FireScreamer · Post Post #109 (isolation #18) » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:38 am

In post 108, aronagrundy wrote:Ok I reread it, now what

In which post do I townread dog?

FireScreamer · Post Post #111 (isolation #19) » Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:46 am

In post 110, aronagrundy wrote:You go from scumreading him to defending him, that's a 180

I go from saying that I understand how X can be perceived as a possible scumtell to going after some bad logic and clear misrepresentation from Shadow_Step. I'll go after those things wherever I see them regardless of who they are on. Do you think Shadow_step's arguments were well founded?

FireScreamer · Post Post #113 (isolation #20) » Sat Feb 25, 2017 12:05 pm

In post 112, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 111, FireScreamer wrote:
In post 110, aronagrundy wrote:You go from scumreading him to defending him, that's a 180
I go from saying that I understand how X can be perceived as a possible scumtell to going after some bad logic and clear misrepresentation from Shadow_Step. I'll go after those things wherever I see them regardless of who they are on. Do you think Shadow_step's arguments were well founded?
sheep me?

Yeah I probably will once I resolve this with Grundy.

FireScreamer · Post Post #114 (isolation #21) » Sat Feb 25, 2017 12:11 pm

@TwoFace

can you confirm how many more vote need to be cast on gerryoat for him to be lynched please? The recent vote count has him at L-1 with 1 vote.

VC fixed

FireScreamer · Post Post #119 (isolation #22) » Sat Feb 25, 2017 12:21 pm

In post 117, aronagrundy wrote:
In post 111, FireScreamer wrote:
In post 110, aronagrundy wrote:You go from scumreading him to defending him, that's a 180
I go from saying that I understand how X can be perceived as a possible scumtell to going after some bad logic and clear misrepresentation from Shadow_Step. I'll go after those things wherever I see them regardless of who they are on. Do you think Shadow_step's arguments were well founded?
Fair enough.

I agree that shadow's arguments rely on misreps but I think he's town. If he was scum I think he wouldn't have pushed the question thing. At least when I'm scum I double check the things I'm claiming.

Fair enough. We cool then. While I feel your logic earlier was very flawed, for now at least I am willing to believe it was not malicious.

I also think normal guidelines mean that the vote count thing is jsut a typo and you didn't just quickhammer some sort of weird role. Don't believe in the too bad to be scum argument on shadow_step though so I guess it's time to put on my wooly jumper for eddie.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Shadow_Step

FireScreamer · Post Post #123 (isolation #23) » Sat Feb 25, 2017 12:27 pm

In post 120, aronagrundy wrote:VOTE: eddie cane

His case on shadow seems opportunistic. And he basically just repeats what others have said.

Why is starting a wagon on someone at 0 votes opportunistic?

If someone has pointed out the logical flaws in someone's posts and you agree with it, why shouldn't you vote them?

FireScreamer · Post Post #219 (isolation #24) » Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:47 am

In post 161, Transcend wrote:Gut

You are not going to get 6 other people to agree with Gut. You know this and are not trying. Which means you are putting on a show and I wonder why.

FireScreamer · Post Post #220 (isolation #25) » Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:56 am

As a rough stance on where I am just now.

Most Town

Barley
Grundy
Keyser
Mozamis
NorskaBlue
Frank
Pants
Eddie
Transend
Gerryoat
Dogwatch
Shadow_Step

Least Town

Wasn't what I thought the list was going to look like when I started. And its very early days. Obviously some of these are on basically nothing.

FireScreamer · Post Post #222 (isolation #26) » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:12 pm

In post 221, Barleycorn wrote:
In post 219, FireScreamer wrote:
In post 161, Transcend wrote:Gut
You are not going to get 6 other people to agree with Gut. You know this and are not trying. Which means you are putting on a show and I wonder why.
why can't gut be the honest basis for transcend's read of kaiser?

It can be. But voting him based on that doesnt actually create any pressure on him. So why do it?

FireScreamer · Post Post #224 (isolation #27) » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:15 pm

In post 223, Barleycorn wrote:it does create pressure.

How so? What is to be feared of a vote based on intuition which is by its very nature non transferable?

FireScreamer · Post Post #226 (isolation #28) » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:37 pm

Going from calling out LAMIST to being LAMIST seems like an odd progression as the first two things you do in a game. I read looking for reasoning on me as an attempt to garner my favour as really it doesn't do much else. Read on Keysar I like though. Should maybe have put him under or on Eddie's spot actually.

FireScreamer · Post Post #228 (isolation #29) » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:56 pm

124 vs 134

FireScreamer · Post Post #229 (isolation #30) » Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:59 pm

I'd also rather someone not at the top of that list be taking the shots at it. Though I guess you wouldn't be at the top without that sort of thing.

FireScreamer · Post Post #231 (isolation #31) » Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:02 pm

His arguments were his when it suited him and mine when it didn't.

FireScreamer · Post Post #233 (isolation #32) » Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:08 pm

I'm certainly pretty tired tonight i'll give you that. Asking for reasoning behind RVS votes is about looking like you are trying to find a solution. It is about appearances. Generally I don't mind that for reasons i've previously stated. However when you've already shown that you scumread it in other people then it becomes interesting.

Going to bed. I'll be back with my usual fire tomorrow.

FireScreamer · Post Post #354 (isolation #33) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:56 am

In post 179, DogWatch wrote:I feel like a scumkeyser would've tried to pile more suspicion on me rather than give me benefit of a doubt as a noob to the current meta. you could say a scum keyser wants town cred if I flip town but im not near a lynch. I dunno, just doesn't feel scummy to me

Is the read I "I like". This is not inconsistent with you being a town read.

FireScreamer · Post Post #355 (isolation #34) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:58 am

And yes day 1 read lists in a game this big are terrible. And while I didn't explicitly lie in it I didn't try very hard either. Not that it yielded very much interesting discussion as a consensus townread poked at its holes before anyone else.

FireScreamer · Post Post #356 (isolation #35) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:01 am

In post 236, DogWatch wrote:How did I scumread anyone by asking that question? I did point out one of moz's posts seemed lamist but I revoked that

Eh. You still initially read an obvious attempt at being townread as being scummy and then made something that could be easily perceived as an easy attempt to be townread.

In post 235, DogWatch wrote:clearly you haven't been paying attention, we've already covered why I asked that question concerning the rvs votes. half the damn game has centered around it. if you're still reading that as lamist then I can't help you

Fair enough. If you are adamant it wasn't an attempt to be townread then sure. Arguing intentions at this point isnt going anywhere.

FireScreamer · Post Post #357 (isolation #36) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:08 am

If you think of everyone below Pants being unordered scumreads and people above pants being unordered townreads you probably get a closer representation of what is actually going on in my head. That said this has been a game where the town reads have been stronger by a magnitude. Also a game where I should probably stop being lazy and baity in for those reasons.

FireScreamer · Post Post #359 (isolation #37) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:41 am

In post 358, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 354, FireScreamer wrote:Is the read I "I like". This is not inconsistent with you being a town read.
Sorry, but what point made your t/read of me weaken?

Wait by "on or under Eddie's spot" I meant Dog, not you. If thats not what you mean then I am very confused because my townread on you has not weakened and I have not expressed otherwise.

FireScreamer · Post Post #362 (isolation #38) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:54 am

In post 361, Keyser Söze wrote:I understand now sorry (Eddie's name confused me).

It was very badly worded. Cleared up now though.

FireScreamer · Post Post #367 (isolation #39) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:22 pm

In post 366, aronagrundy wrote:Like looking over it I just see a lot questions without a lot of narrative

What about that makes you read informed over uninformed?

FireScreamer · Post Post #370 (isolation #40) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:28 pm

In post 368, Eddie Cane wrote:hey btw fire, what about this iso warrants being so high on your list?
In post 24, Pants98 wrote:VOTE: Fire

Pants is the stone median of the list. If you can't understand why...

FireScreamer · Post Post #513 (isolation #41) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:16 am

Momo wagon it is. Maybe the reason my townreads felt stronger than my scumreads was that scum was sleepy all along.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Momo

FireScreamer · Post Post #558 (isolation #42) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:05 pm

Without people participating in day 1 there are no associations to look at day 2. And people frequently use your logic to ensure just that for themselves Frank. Yes we are going to lynch probably a townie today and probably for bad reasons. Yes we should still try to lynch scum. You lay yourself out there. You form opinions (that you stay flexible with), you push on things that seem odd and you try. Are other days more fun? Yes. Does that matter? No. We are working gradually through a process here. Work we do now will be flawed, but those flaws will be sanded down in the hindsight of days to come. Engage in day one. Read and be read. No excuses.

FireScreamer · Post Post #632 (isolation #43) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:25 pm

In post 627, mozamis wrote:
In post 558, FireScreamer wrote:Without people participating in day 1 there are no associations to look at day 2. And people frequently use your logic to ensure just that for themselves Frank. Yes we are going to lynch probably a townie today and probably for bad reasons. Yes we should still try to lynch scum. You lay yourself out there. You form opinions (that you stay flexible with), you push on things that seem odd and you try. Are other days more fun? Yes. Does that matter? No. We are working gradually through a process here. Work we do now will be flawed, but those flaws will be sanded down in the hindsight of days to come. Engage in day one. Read and be read. No excuses.
Lets fight them on the beaches!
But this post has very little content.
Fos Fire.

Trying to engage lurkers and removing thier excuses for lurking or irreverent day 1 play is useful. Even if you want to read it as LAMIST its been discussed to death today that LAMIST isn't a scum tell.

FireScreamer · Post Post #633 (isolation #44) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:37 pm

In post 630, Transcend wrote:Player list
momo (Pants98) SCUM
DogWatch TOWN
Transcend THE BEST THERE EVER WAS
mozamis TOWN
FireScreamer SCUM
aronagrundy TOWN
FrankJaeger SCUM
Selynee (NorskaBlue) VI
gerryoat LEAN TOWN
Eddie Cane TOWN
Barleycorn HARD TOWN
Shadow_step LEAN TOWN BUT U NEED TO DO MORE
Keyser Söze no idea but leaning town

It's your lucky day baby cause it's gonna be easier to lynch Momo if I am bussing him.

FireScreamer · Post Post #638 (isolation #45) » Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:27 am

I'm genuinely not an alt. I'm just someone who can think for himself and disagrees with you.

FireScreamer · Post Post #731 (isolation #46) » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:15 am

Sorry if i've been a bit vacuous since earlier in the day. Had a busy day today but tomorrow i'll fully go into 3 or 4 people I want to talk about. If anyone wants me to go over anyone in particular let me know. I've been feeling sort of adrift in this game and this should help refocus me.

FireScreamer · Post Post #767 (isolation #47) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 2:05 am

In post 761, DogWatch wrote:Transcend, how is frank both lynchbait and a phenomenal lynch?

The logic is that lynchbait that your scumreads arn't going anywhere near could in fact just be a bad scum player. I personally hate to play the assosiation guessing game day 1 but I can see where Transcend is coming from.

Going to do rereads on people here and there throughout the day. Deadline is coming up so I need to find a place for my vote that I don't hate. Gonna wake up and stuff first. Starting working on this game in a couple hours from this post.

FireScreamer · Post Post #774 (isolation #48) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:32 am

So my interactions with Arona and Shadow_Step should let you know how I feel about them. I've been townreading Barley and Keyser. Players like Trancend rub me the wrong way but its not actually alignment indicative and I don't have much to say on him.

So let's talk about Frank, Momo, Gerryoat, Eddie and Mozamis.

FireScreamer · Post Post #776 (isolation #49) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:39 am

Frank has been super lurky and has tried to justify it. Up until this point I'd read that as anti town play but not scummy play. However it has now gone beyond that point. It was pointed out to him why it isn't a good idea for town to do that and he insists on continuing it. He could easily be waiting until a couple days before the deadline to shake a wagon off him and get through day 1 without being able to be reasonably analyzed on much of day 1 later.

I'd shamelessly support a Frank lynch as an alternative to myself or if we really can't do better. I think in general though we'd be more lucky than good if he actually flips red and if he flips green it gives us so little information.

FireScreamer · Post Post #778 (isolation #50) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:44 am

In post 476, momo wrote:I am not really feeling the pressure on fire. Will not have him lynched unless people give me good reasons.

Can you explain for me what changed between this post and the post below please Momo?

In post 717, momo wrote:I am willing to vote Frank/Fire

I might vote dog as well. We need to hurry though.

This is the scumteam I am with right now.

ANd why would you lynch VT's.

In post 641, momo wrote:ALL I am going to say is investigate me. I will come out as a VT.

I'll give this a slight town read but not very heavy of one. Momo gets more credit for this than someone like Keyser would though.

I would not support a Momo lynch over at the very least Frank so I guess its time to

UNVOTE:

FireScreamer · Post Post #779 (isolation #51) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:47 am

Transcend if you start making more posts like that one I'm going to have to start townreading you.

FireScreamer · Post Post #780 (isolation #52) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:55 am

Gerry is a worse Frank. While Frank for whatever reason is just trying to check out of day 1 entirely, Gerry is reading and engaging just as much as he needs to to defend himself. While frank is unfocused on everything, Gerry is very focused on how he is being read. Now town of course has an interest in that sort of thing as well. But if you are paying attention you might as well eventually make a few reads yourself.

I'd support a Gerry lynch over a Frank lynch but with nobody on him just now and a wagon approaching I understand this may be a fight for day 2 when Gerry and all of the lurkers are going to have to put up or be strung up.

FireScreamer · Post Post #782 (isolation #53) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:00 am

In post 781, Transcend wrote:gross

this is not against my scum play in the slightest bit, and in fact i'm more likely to make a post like that as scum, but i felt like being nice today.

That's fine. Just feed me things like reasoning when you are in a good mood and I feel a lot better being in a game with you. Not asking for you not to conceal reasoning if you feel its important. But right now people are being apathetic and you opening up more at that time to try and actually get something done is something I'm happy to see. Timing of the post as important as the post itself.

FireScreamer · Post Post #786 (isolation #54) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:11 am

Eddie gives me the willies.

124 and 134 just don't jive well at all. Combined with the fact that he then continues to read me as town after it. If he actually townreads me he shouldn't be trying to wash pressure off of him onto me unless its literally me or him. Also my play today hasn't really been towniemctown so I feel as if continuing to back me is trying to pocket me/ make him look good if I get mislynched.

There is also the possibility he just agreed with me on a couple of things early on day 1 and townread me too much for it. Outside of interaction with me I don't think he's done much unusual. I'd lynch Gerry and probably still Frank over him at this point.

FireScreamer · Post Post #788 (isolation #55) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:13 am

In post 783, Transcend wrote:aite so what are you gonna do with your vote then

At the end of my stuff today and not before. The vote should be my conclusion and conclusions come at the end. Plus half of the reason i'm doing this is try to get a handle on the game. Theres a very real chance I change my mind halfway through these reads and voting and then revoting weakens my position on both people.

FireScreamer · Post Post #790 (isolation #56) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:18 am

In post 789, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 786, FireScreamer wrote:Eddie gives me the willies.

124 and 134 just don't jive well at all. Combined with the fact that he then continues to read me as town after it.
If he actually townreads me he shouldn't be trying to wash pressure off of him onto me unless its literally me or him.
Also my play today hasn't really been towniemctown so I feel as if continuing to back me is trying to pocket me/ make him look good if I get mislynched.

There is also the possibility he just agreed with me on a couple of things early on day 1 and townread me too much for it. Outside of interaction with me I don't think he's done much unusual. I'd lynch Gerry and probably still Frank over him at this point.
How did I try to put pressure on you?

"My argument is actually Fire's so vote him if you disagree with it"

1. At the point where you are voting based off of it my argument IS your argument.
2. It's not a super big thing but "Vote for one of my strongest townreads" is probably not a line you should normally go for.

FireScreamer · Post Post #791 (isolation #57) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:18 am

Quotes are paraphrased for effect obviously which is why they are not in quote tags. Not trying to misrepresent.

FireScreamer · Post Post #797 (isolation #58) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:25 am

In post 794, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 134, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 130, Transcend wrote:Fos Eddie as well. Shadow is a shit counterwagon to Fire.
It is indeed a counterwagon to dog. you should probably
vote me over fire
though as I did take his argument.
1 small hole in that argument.

Oh I totally can't read. Sorry man.

FireScreamer · Post Post #798 (isolation #59) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:28 am

In post 102, mozamis wrote:oh, and fire's responses look town. he seems measured and questioning his attackers in a "i dont care, i'm innocent" kinda way.
time to stop voting fire.

In post 682, mozamis wrote:
VOTE FIREWATER

Havent seen anything town form him all game.
Lot of emoty bullshit.

While I totally get a townlean on me turning into a scumlean today (I just FOSed Eddie for NOT doing exactly that) this is a bit different. This isn't changing a read. This is misrepresenting your read's progression entirely. It's a slip. Either

1. She didn't townread me when she said she did. - Scummy!
2. The second post is willfully misrepresenting the progression of her read - Scummy!
3. She forgot she townread me earlier. Her reads don't have a progression because they are artificial - Super super scummy!

While i'd compromise on a Frank/Gerry lynch this is where my vote goes just now. This is dissonance in a way I can't find town reasoning for.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mozamis

FireScreamer · Post Post #801 (isolation #60) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:31 am

Why is it a scumclaim? Why does my position on Moz have anything to do with Frank?

FireScreamer · Post Post #803 (isolation #61) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:37 am

In post 802, Transcend wrote:you just said that you were gonna vote frank, the wagon escalates, you vote elsewhere.

When did I say I was gonna vote frank? I had Gerry over frank in my posts before Keyser voted.

I'll likely end up swapping to frank by the deadline because I caught the Mozamis slip too late in the day to form a wagon. That is 100% a slip though. She either lied in one of the posts for forgot in a situation where scum is so much more likely to forget. It is in my opinion the scummiest thing anyone has done in the entire game. If I try to communicate that without voting people won't take it seriously. I'm realistic though. I don't have an issue will lynching Frank.

FireScreamer · Post Post #804 (isolation #62) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:38 am

Talk to me about that slip Transcend. Do you not see what I see?

FireScreamer · Post Post #806 (isolation #63) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:46 am

Alright I understand that but i'll revisit it tomorrow. And at any point in the game she flips red I'm coming after you for making me instantly weaken my position on her when I feel VERY strongly in a way I almost never do in day 1s that I just found scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Frank

Do not take this as weakness on this position people. If I felt a Moz lynch was realistic i'd be on this. It's not dissonance.

FireScreamer · Post Post #807 (isolation #64) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:46 am

Commit to saying if you agree/disagree with the fact that what I saw is very scummy Transcend.

FireScreamer · Post Post #809 (isolation #65) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:12 am

Nah. I'll sheep onto your wagon for practicalities sake as long as i'm not actively scumreading you, which is what I am happy to do now. You instantly put pressure on me for turning to Moz and now that I am on Frank you are trying to just ignore Moz talk while you feed her a defense in the PT.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mozamis

Flipping her over Transcend. Then i'm flipping you over.

FireScreamer · Post Post #811 (isolation #66) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:16 am

If you are town and share my view on that I don't see why you wouldn't say so. You arn't even looking at her as an alternative because you've tunneled onto one person and are so close you can taste it. Town has an open mind.

And if you don't share my view on it you'd have used to discredit a potential counterwagon to your real scumread.

She's scum. You are scum.

FireScreamer · Post Post #813 (isolation #67) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:22 am

Good point. Good point.

FireScreamer · Post Post #814 (isolation #68) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:28 am

Take your time Transcend. I'd be pretty flatfooted at someone finding both me and a partner day 1 too.

FireScreamer · Post Post #815 (isolation #69) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:30 am

If I don't get my way on Moz by the way today and I die tonight (Which seems pretty likely) don't be confused on what to do next guys. You go Moz and THEN you go Transcend.

FireScreamer · Post Post #817 (isolation #70) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:33 am

In post 816, Eddie Cane wrote:or we could not railroad lynch on d1 reads?

I mean sure but that post was more about the sequencing. You lynch Moz first because obviously my entire case on Transcend is based on Moz. You should also 100% be lynching Moz anyway.

FireScreamer · Post Post #819 (isolation #71) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:36 am

In post 818, momo wrote:Why don't we just lynch Frank....

Because I now deeply scumread Transcend and i'm not getting in the van of people I don't like the look of. Why are you so afraid to look at alternatives and judge them on their merit?

FireScreamer · Post Post #821 (isolation #72) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:36 am

In post 818, momo wrote:Why don't we just lynch Frank....

Because I now deeply scumread Transcend and i'm not getting in the van of people I don't like the look of. Why are you so afraid to look at alternatives and judge them on their merit?

FireScreamer · Post Post #822 (isolation #73) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:37 am

In post 820, Transcend wrote:im dumbfounded because i have no idea what just went on in your mind if you are having a genuine thought process

Refusing to comment at all on my read was a mistake.

FireScreamer · Post Post #826 (isolation #74) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:42 am

In post 824, momo wrote:True, we can vote Moz D2, compromise on Frank today.

No. You can vote Moz now or you can state why you disagree with my reasoning.

The Frank wagon is not a fait accompli people. We have 3 days. Look at the giant slip Mozamis made and judge that. I don't want my association case on Transcend to go further till we see a Moza flip, though it does mean that I will view wagons he leads as poison pills and untouchable.

FireScreamer · Post Post #827 (isolation #75) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:54 am

In post 768, momo wrote:If Frank does not start playing like a regular person with reasons and starts contributing to town, he should be our D1 lynch.

I mean....he is scum anyway.

Trying to get frank to contribute. Willing to consider town frank.

In post 824, momo wrote:True, we can vote Moz D2, compromise on Frank today.

Implys that he agrees with the Moz reasoning but is representing Frank as a done deal with 33% of the day left.

FireScreamer · Post Post #833 (isolation #76) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:12 am

In post 830, Barleycorn wrote:
In post 827, FireScreamer wrote:
In post 768, momo wrote:If Frank does not start playing like a regular person with reasons and starts contributing to town, he should be our D1 lynch.

I mean....he is scum anyway.
Trying to get frank to contribute. Willing to consider town frank.

In post 824, momo wrote:True, we can vote Moz D2, compromise on Frank today.
Implys that he agrees with the Moz reasoning but is representing Frank as a done deal with 33% of the day left.
this isn't scummy

I'd argue being unwilling to change course on someone that you don't even particularly strongly scumread is scummy. Town is flexible with an open mind. Scum doesn't want to come off of thier lynchbait pet wagon.

FireScreamer · Post Post #836 (isolation #77) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:01 am

The game has progressed so far beyond that post Gerry but its the only post you see. You proved my point for me.

FireScreamer · Post Post #841 (isolation #78) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:05 am

Oh you are just responding to things as you read them. I retract my previous post.

FireScreamer · Post Post #843 (isolation #79) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:06 am

Also I just realized my Moza pronouns are all over the place. Stupid sexy avatars.

FireScreamer · Post Post #844 (isolation #80) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:11 am

The deadline is 3 days aa a Gerrymandering. Commit your vote to someone. Preferably Moza
.

FireScreamer · Post Post #845 (isolation #81) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:12 am

Bath phoneposting at its best. Yall knew what I meant

FireScreamer · Post Post #850 (isolation #82) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:40 am

In post 846, mozamis wrote:@ Fire you're scum misrepping me.
I changed my read on you, simple as that.

No. I was very explicit. You SHOULD have changed your read on me. That isn't the problem. You denied or forgot the first read existed which is a very big mistake. You got got. I'm misrepresenting nothing. Tell your scum team I am coming for them too.

FireScreamer · Post Post #851 (isolation #83) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:42 am

While I understand that theres not much you can do here Moza. Just ignoring or pretending to misunderstand my point entirely wasn't one of them. First couple of people on the wagon get me in their pocket when she flips! Roll up roll up!

FireScreamer · Post Post #854 (isolation #84) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 1:29 pm

In post 853, mozamis wrote:
In post 850, FireScreamer wrote:forgot the first read existed
indeed, i forgot i town read you early on.

Which means you are constructing reads as they suit you and are not progressing genuinely. Also if that was actually the case you would have came back with it immediately. You wouldn't have just pretended to totally miss my point. I'll assume you've been coached up by scummates.

FireScreamer · Post Post #907 (isolation #85) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:31 pm

I mean if Frank is going to do that I can't realistically treat his wagon as poison. I heartily endorse this product or service I guess. Though Moza jumping on gives me the mad willies.

FireScreamer · Post Post #909 (isolation #86) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:49 pm

Yeah yeah if he flips red i'm aware im in for an interesting tomorrow. Would still rather lynch Moza and i'm not backing down from that any time soon.

FireScreamer · Post Post #911 (isolation #87) » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:53 pm

Thank you daddy

FireScreamer · Post Post #915 (isolation #88) » Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:30 am

In post 913, FrankJaeger wrote:
In post 905, Transcend wrote:But seriously who the hell prodges when they get L1'd
A VT who is going to be hammered.

Do better than this and you can still change it.

FireScreamer · Post Post #917 (isolation #89) » Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:51 am

It literally isn't too late to join the Moza wagon Transcend. If you do it now we can make it happen. There's worse things to do than sheep a townread.

FireScreamer · Post Post #918 (isolation #90) » Sat Mar 04, 2017 1:02 am

A Moza scum team is going to kill me and on the off chance its a non Moza scum team they are 100% going to kill me. Let me take scum with me.

FireScreamer · Post Post #930 (isolation #91) » Sat Mar 04, 2017 1:30 am

In post 921, FrankJaeger wrote:1 of fire or trans is scum with moz.

Then vote Moz. This isn't difficult.

FireScreamer · Post Post #934 (isolation #92) » Sat Mar 04, 2017 2:09 am

In post 933, Transcend wrote:im inclined t trust my gut here

idk if moz is the right answer thou

A moz wagon.

1. Gives us information on those that reacted to my initial post as well as the wagon that comes now.
2. Gives the town information on me
3. Lynches scum

Who knows what the right answer is. Oh wait. I do. Sheep up.

FireScreamer · Post Post #940 (isolation #93) » Sat Mar 04, 2017 6:02 am

In post 939, Barleycorn wrote:why would that make what i said irrelevant

anyway i still think fire is town i just didn't like that post

I feel like i've taken a swing and a miss. Likely at scum. I'm also now being openly townread by the more active players in the thread. Essentially i'm trying to lean into that as hard as I can in the hope that it'll break.

FireScreamer · Post Post #942 (isolation #94) » Sat Mar 04, 2017 6:07 am

In post 941, Barleycorn wrote:you saying that a mozamis scumteam will definitely kill you is dumb and sets up bad wifom going into d2

Not when i said in the same post that a non Mozamis scumteam would do the exact same thing.

FireScreamer · Post Post #983 (isolation #95) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:25 am

VOTE: Mozamis

Same as it ever was.

FireScreamer · Post Post #986 (isolation #96) » Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:45 am

In post 984, Boonskiies wrote:Hey, all. I'm Boonskiies. You may call me Boonskiies. I town read the keyser, and I have an FOS on transcend.

I've got some bad news for you buddy.

FireScreamer · Tue Mar 07, 2017 12:25 am

In post 1004, mozamis wrote:
In post 983, FireScreamer wrote:VOTE: Mozamis

Same as it ever was.
if you are town, for fs try and, you know, try...
if you are scum, then fair enough i guess. you never answered my question about who i was scum with?

My read on you is based on a mistake that scum would make MUCH more often than town. My read on you is totally independent on you. Asking who I think your teammates are

1. Weakens my argument on you by dilluting it.
2. Alienates people from joining your wagon if I FoS them incorrectly, letting you put people in your pocket for free.
3. Reads to me as "Tehe, theres no way he will be able to answer this because I havn't build obvious associations yet because it is day freaking one".

This question is classic deflection. I'll worry about who your team mates are once you swing. Can only hang one at a time.

FireScreamer · Tue Mar 07, 2017 12:25 am

All aboard the good ship Moza.

FireScreamer · Post Post #1021 (isolation #99) » Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:03 am

In post 1019, Keyser Söze wrote:VCA for later:

At least ONE scum on this wagon (I'd expect 3 scum in a 13 player normal, so I doubt all three would power this miss-lynch through):

FrankJaeger - Eddie Cane, momo, Keyser Soze, mozamis, Barleycorn,
Transcend
, WhemeStar (LYNCHED)

At least ONE scum NOT voting/on rival wagon:

Shadow_step, Selynee, Firescreamer, DogWatch, gerryoat

However, Frank's ISO/interactions weren't very visceral/meaty so I don't think scum had much towncred to gain for pushing against the miss-lynch. I can't see how anyone could have been hard t/reading/defending him (that in itself would have been suspicious), two of my strongest vocal t/reads supported it (Eddie Cane, Barleycorn) - thus, this was a miss-lynch there for the taking.

Well considering your non town reads on the wagon are Momo, Moza and WhemeStar and you are implying you think my actions are genuine, have you heard about our lord and saviour Moza wagon?

FireScreamer · Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:19 am

You can't 2 game days off eddie. You are going to have to be replaced.

FireScreamer · Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:24 am

In post 1024, FireScreamer wrote:You can't take 2 game days off eddie. You are going to have to be replaced.

*

FireScreamer · Tue Mar 07, 2017 2:26 am

In post 1026, Eddie Cane wrote:I'll be active enough for most of it. I'm on vacation but there will be wifi other than on the flights.

Fair enough. If you still think you can do enough that is fine. But then I don't get the need to say you are V/LA at all.

If you feel yourself slipping out of the game please dont be stubborn is all I ask.

FireScreamer · Tue Mar 07, 2017 3:02 pm

In post 1031, DogWatch wrote:
In post 1011, WhemeStar wrote:I think one is scum one is not, I prefer moza after those posts.
What pings you about moz over momo? Moz does have a sudden change of heart after reading momo's Day 2 posts, but as I recall, when momo made an almost identical Moz vote on Day 1, Moz called him out on it, but never voted him. Moz said he COULD vote momo for it but never did, even began reading momo as town shortly after. It was then that Moz instead went into his scum-read of fire, which sparked the moz/fire war.

Ok, that was a confusing paragraph but basically I don't really follow Moz's read of momo, or why momo is now null for him instead of scum.

Me/Moz isn't a war. It's pest control.

FireScreamer · Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:07 pm

In post 1041, mozamis wrote:Ok catching up. Hold your fire, I'm town.
I suspect fire is scum, since he seemed too tunnelly. Partilarly coming back in saying "yeah, nothings changed, moz is scum". Classic scum maneovere. We had a lynch, a flip. But no new reads or thoughts from him. Cos its hard to make shit up as scum, so he's gone for the vote park strategy.

Well nothing did change. You ARE still scum. A lynah on lynchbait and a kill on someone who would have played town captain doesn't change that. There hasn't been much else to comment on. I have my read on you and I'm confident, determined and persuasive enough to take that read to a lynch. OMGUSing me looks awful and please keep it up.

FireScreamer · Wed Mar 08, 2017 2:45 am

In post 1054, momo wrote:fire is making sense and you just saying I am town moz. REALLY If you are town, who should be lynched in your place.

Well since she just voted me I think that's her answer. I mean it was the wrong answer but I you seem keen on letting her take another swing.

FireScreamer · Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:42 am

In post 1061, mozamis wrote:
In post 682, mozamis wrote:
VOTE FIREWATER

Havent seen anything town form him all game.
Lot of emoty bullshit.
@ Fire I voted you way back here. It was only after this that you started attackin gme. So...nice try, scum fuck lol

Still no reads from fire.
Can we get a wagon on someone whio might actually be scum, please?

My logic on why I am coming after you is pretty well explained.

FireScreamer · Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:52 am

In post 1063, mozamis wrote:Not really, since you're very likely scum and lying.
The reality is probably the old story of: your scum, i rumbled you way back, you paniced and saw me as a threat, and have been tunnelling me ever since.
Read list.
Now.

You rumbled me? Based on a self confessed null read that you are now turning into something grander to suit yourself?

The only read I need is you baby. I won't ignore other stuff as it happens but the only thing I have an interest in making happen is flipping you over (Which bee tee dubs, if I was scum and you town, wouldn't actually look great for me now would it?).

Theres a reason most people are townreading my crusade against you Moz, even if they are not all committing to agreeing with me. The only reason you can't is because you need to discredit me.

FireScreamer · Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:22 am

Yeah just actively misrepresent me. Will go great for you.

FireScreamer · Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:47 am

I don't have to make anything up. You made a mistake that scum is far more likely to make than town.

Since I posted my series of reads that ended with me seeing that and starting my holy quest to flip you, what has actually happened in the game? Frank got lynched, whatever. I wasn't super against that though I was the only person offering an alternative. Transcend flipped town. Alright. His playstyle makes day 1 interaction with him impossible to read anyway. There has been light momo wagoning which honestly i'm not super against. We have had two people go on like infinite V/LA. Superb.

By pushing you alone im presenting more reads than most. Ask me specific questions on specific people if you like. But since I posted a series of reads on people i'm not seeing much different, certainly nothing to take me off of you.

FireScreamer · Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:52 pm

In post 1074, Barleycorn wrote:fire is explicitly not doing so which is annoying if he's town

If you want my opinion on anything else feel free to ask directly for it. I'm less evasive of questions when they are not coming from the person I am trying to send directly to hell.

In post 1087, Keyser Söze wrote:Note:
Fire has been hard pushing Moz since D1 so I have ruled out scum vs scum theatrics.
I can't see the scum motivation in them making D2 about their two slots.
Either both town or one scum.

So lynch Moz and i'll even throw in a FREE innocent child for you*.

*While stocks last

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:13 am

Lol ok let's lynch Momo.

DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNN

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Momo

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:22 am

In post 1095, momo wrote:Yes I am for sure one of Moz and fire is scum.

This day is going to be cracking who it is. I think fire has more towncred with me but it could go either way. Want to see there 1v1 play out.

Creating a false dichotomy like this is abysmal. FoS Wheme for it as well but with Momo it has added survivalist implications which he has shown a tendency for already. Why do you think that me vs Moz has to be town vs scum?

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:28 am

In post 1099, momo wrote:
Well it could be town vs town but I doubt it.

A gut feeling tells me this is the case.

With all the tunneling it can't be town vs town.

One of you is scum and it is up to the rest of us to figure out who.

No. You dismissed town vs town before you made your post. You can't have forgotten it because it's literally in the post above yours that you think you are agreeing with.

If you want to hide behind your guts I am all too happy to tear them out of you and have a look myself.

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:31 am

For clarification just in case anyone is confused. My moz push was not a gambit. I still FoS her for that. But this needs to be addressed.

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:33 am

In post 1103, momo wrote:
No I ignored town vs town on purpose. I highly doubt that it is town vs town and I have nearly completely disregarded that possibility. Today my vote will be to lynch one of you and if we mislynch, the other one will go the next day.

Well TY for making my case for me.

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:42 am

In post 1105, momo wrote:FS, I believe my gut. This is my position for the day and it is not changing.

Cool beans. Meanwhile in reality i've pointed someone who has conveniently drawn a conclusion that railroads the next two days.

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 3:00 am

Not to mention replaces himself as the Moz counterwagon with one of the more active players town has.

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 3:11 am

And since i've pooped on my credibility already by FoSing both people on the Moz wagon with me i'll work up a read list for today or tomorrow.

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 4:30 am

In post 1113, WhemeStar wrote:
In post 1111, Selynee wrote:
In post 1109, WhemeStar wrote:Momo prob town
Why?
Let's call it a gut read.

Appealing to your own intuition is do nothing nonsense. You have reasons for what you think. Explain them or face suspicion for hiding them.

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 4:48 am

In post 1117, DogWatch wrote:
In post 1077, mozamis wrote:this is probably the turning point in the game.
if town, can you know, POST - we have a chance.
But if keyser, barley, dogwatch (essentially the main players assuming fire is scum) just let the weaker players take me down, then town are probaly fucked.
Why do you say that I assume fire is scum? That is a misrep, because I don't have that assumption.

In post 1080, mozamis wrote:guys, get me to L-1 or unvote. L-2 is good for scum, it's real no mans land.
Explain how L-1 is any better for you. Are you itching to claim?

If you read it as him itching to claim why on earth would you point it out.

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:02 am

In post 1120, DogWatch wrote:no, purely rhetorical

Either way you are pointing it out for everyone to see.

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:03 am

I'm going to shut up about that now.

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 9:40 am

Barley are you still just on Moz out of laziness? It's time to shit or get off the pot cause they are at L-2 and it's not unreasonable that I decide Momo is just bad and not scum and hop back on.

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:08 am

In post 1130, Barleycorn wrote:yes

and are you voting momo because they're terrible or because you think they're scum?

I went onto them because I thought they were scum but looking back scum wouldn't try to commit themselves to what he was doing that openly. It removes flexibility and he could have just let things go to a Moz lynch anyway and pushed me tomorrow without saying it.

Guess that means

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Moz

This is

L-1

. If you arn't comfortable with that Barley you should get off the wagon now.

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:14 am

In post 1133, mozamis wrote:
In post 1131, FireScreamer wrote:This is L-1. If you arn't comfortable with that Barley you should get off the wagon now.
whoah hang on. catching up.
at least give me a few final minutes/reads.

You have plenty of time. I wouldn't claim. I have shown however that I am willing to come off of you if I see a reason. Feel free to supply me with an alternative that isn't myself.

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:21 am

In post 1148, mozamis wrote:
In post 1145, Barleycorn wrote:whatever.

VOTE: moz

l-1
you fuckiong idiot you've lynched me.

What was your alignment before the mod gets here?

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:23 am

Oh shit you are a DAYVIG.

You totally didn't get hammered by the way. Barley took you off of L-1 and then put you back on

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:23 am

UNVOTE:

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:25 am

Moz please learn how to count. You have not been lynched.

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:26 am

Also if everyone could refrain from personal attacks that would be super.

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:27 am

In post 1161, Barleycorn wrote:that might be true moz but it's pretty beside the point.

if you're actually a dayvig you just threw.

You just put someone at L-1 on a wagon you said you didn't believe in with a week left in the game. People in glass houses.

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:29 am

TY for not shooting me Moz. I genuinely did see what I thought was a slip and was willing to push that to a lynch if nothing better showed up.

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:36 am

In post 1169, Barleycorn wrote:
In post 1168, WhemeStar wrote:UNVOTE: Lollll barley just got shot cause Moz can't Count votes correctly?
you're scum.

Yeah i'm feeling this too.

Moz does your shot end the day?

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:37 am

VOTE: WhemeStar

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:38 am

You were gonna shoot me right?

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:44 am

In post 1193, Barleycorn wrote:and i do take responsibility for my shit play. after this game i'm not touching the site for at least a couple months.

but stop using my mental illness to insult me.

It feels bad just now with someone shouting at you. Your play wasn't perfect but you don't deserve that. I'd rather have you in the game than a replacement. Hopefully when you wake up tomorrow you won't feel forced off of the site.

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:47 am

In post 1199, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 1197, FireScreamer wrote:
In post 1193, Barleycorn wrote:and i do take responsibility for my shit play. after this game i'm not touching the site for at least a couple months.

but stop using my mental illness to insult me.
It feels bad just now with someone shouting at you. Your play wasn't perfect but you don't deserve that. I'd rather have you in the game than a replacement. Hopefully when you wake up tomorrow you won't feel forced off of the site.
Barley ur globally accepted as town you aren't playing shit lol

This. Day 1 Barley was a force. Day 2 barley seems a bit understandably frustrated with the game and make a mistake.

Also if she was gonna shoot me instead which seems likely then nothing has actually changed. Other than you are now confirmed instead of me. Which I don't mind.

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:49 am

Seriously Barley. Take a step back and view this as an oppertunity. You are now an innocent child. Be the heart of the town.

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:52 am

In post 1200, Barleycorn wrote:pm me wheme.

nah fire i've fucked up 3 games so far. i should probably get a temp ban but i know that won't happen so i'm doing it myself.

You ruined nothing. I ruined nothing. Even Moz ruined nothing.

The game is in tact and we can still win. Chin up. Now is your time to shine.

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 10:54 am

In post 1213, Barleycorn wrote:
In post 1207, FireScreamer wrote:Seriously Barley. Take a step back and view this as an oppertunity. You are now an innocent child. Be the heart of the town.
i have bad reads this game.

It's half way through day 2. Correct them. Talk about them. Town will iterate on them.

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:04 am

I stand by my read and push on you. I was misrepresenting my overall gusto which also I stand by. You made a mistake in day 1 which I feel scum is more likely to make than town. I built a wagon on you while remaining suspicious of those who joined it for bad reasons.

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:07 am

In post 1226, Barleycorn wrote:
In post 1225, FireScreamer wrote:remaining suspicious of those who joined it for bad reasons.
who dey be?

Momo and Wheme. You staying on it lazily also was starting to bug me which is why I wanted to pressure you to commit one way or the other.

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:16 am

In post 1234, WhemeStar wrote:
In post 1231, FireScreamer wrote:
In post 1226, Barleycorn wrote:
In post 1225, FireScreamer wrote:remaining suspicious of those who joined it for bad reasons.
who dey be?
Momo and Wheme. You staying on it lazily also was starting to bug me which is why I wanted to pressure you to commit one way or the other.
Lol what, if your suspecting two people who are voting the same person as you, also your strongest scum read. Is that person your voting really scum?

Were you paying attention to the part where I unvoted and then went onto Momo?

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:19 am

In post 1236, WhemeStar wrote:
In post 1235, FireScreamer wrote:
In post 1234, WhemeStar wrote:
In post 1231, FireScreamer wrote:
In post 1226, Barleycorn wrote:
In post 1225, FireScreamer wrote:remaining suspicious of those who joined it for bad reasons.
who dey be?
Momo and Wheme. You staying on it lazily also was starting to bug me which is why I wanted to pressure you to commit one way or the other.
Lol what, if your suspecting two people who are voting the same person as you, also your strongest scum read. Is that person your voting really scum?
Were you paying attention to the part where I unvoted and then went onto Momo?
And then go back to Moz? Did you really think they were both scum?

No I came to the conclusion that Momo is likely bad town and then came back on the Moz wagon.

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:21 am

In post 1238, mozamis wrote:
In post 1227, Eddie Cane wrote:I completely disagree with "someone who is very fucking town" and don't get how you can say that about yourself.
I'm town. So there's that.
And I've made a decent effort. Posted quite a lot, voted a lot, explained my self OUT IN THE OPEN. I have made the effort, unlike a lot of people, yourself included.
People havent used their brains, its just been a lazy "err, Moz yeah, shit, lolz we aint got any brains, why not?"

Yes everyone who read you as scum is terrible and nothing is your fault. It's also Barley's fault that you dayvigged him. Everyone is bad but you.

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:55 pm

VOTE: WhemeStar

FireScreamer · Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:31 am

I mean if we policy lynch to keep him out of Lylo and he flips town it's important to note that makes tomorrow probable mylo already.

But just because he is being bad doesn't have to mean bad town I guess. It's not the worst lynch in the world, but we can hopefully do better or find better reasons to go to him.

FireScreamer · Sat Mar 11, 2017 12:11 am

Happy enough with where my vote is. I'm gone for around 24 hours from this post. See yall sunday.

FireScreamer · Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:37 am

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Boon

Happier here than on wheme now. Didn't like the slot before he replaced in either. Happy to see this go to lynch.

FireScreamer · Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:36 am

UNVOTE:

Willing to buy the claim. Im great at running wagons on town power roles.

Reading Wheme as more town. Not lynching Boon. Bringing me back to

VOTE: Momo

FireScreamer · Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:37 am

In post 1378, momo wrote:@Barley. You are leaning town on my reads but I still have to ask.

Scared to lynch town or scared to hammer your buddy?

Momo Barley is mechanically confirmed.

FireScreamer · Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:38 am

Given a lack of good alternatives I'm chosing to stop buying Momo as 2dumb2scum

FireScreamer · Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:49 am

In post 1385, Barleycorn wrote:
In post 1379, FireScreamer wrote: Willing to buy the claim. Im great at running wagons on town power roles.
what makes you believe boon?

It's a specific claim. The target makes sense. He did it confidently and not defensively. It's not written in stone that he is town but if he is the mafia have to deal with him anyway eventually. This is a slot to be re examined later.

FireScreamer · Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:02 am

In post 1388, gerryoat wrote:
In post 1373, Boonskiies wrote:Alright, that's L-2. I was probably going to miss later, but now I might have to focus extra energy on this in between shots.

Odd night tracker. Tracked Keyser last night to nowhere.
WHY WOULD YOU TRACK ONE OF THE TOWNIEST PEOPLE IN THE GAME LOL

FireScreamer · Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:03 am

Goddamn it that had a reply. Phoneposting is the worst

FireScreamer · Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:06 am

I totally understand the Keysar target. It's better to do that sort of thing as a cop but tracker can work too.

FireScreamer · Sun Mar 12, 2017 11:12 am

That's a train wreck of a post Eddie. Nobody counterclaim with another weak info role please.

FireScreamer · Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:15 am

Full general read list with no working.

Would no lynch over lynching tier

Barley
Firescreamer (duh)

Would be very uncooperative towards a wagon on tier

Boon
Keysar

Nervously townread tier

Eddie

Literally haven't thought about all day and should probably look into but even if I did find something probably couldn't get momentum on today tier

Dogwatch

Have thought about and like better than everyone below this point but wouldn't take much tier

Selynee

Willing to compromise tier

Wheme

If not Momo tier

Gerry

I AM MOMOMAN tier

Momo

FireScreamer · Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:35 am

I thought you said you would not change your vote from me?

FireScreamer · Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:57 am

I feel if you were realistically motivated in the way you say you are motivated you'd be building WhemeStar as the counter wagon based on my flip flopping on him.

FireScreamer · Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:02 am

In post 1446, DogWatch wrote:the past few momo/wheme posts smell like scum banter

I've been harbouring suspicions on that connection myself. A momo red flip would send me after wheme for sure. As well as make me way happier about Gerry

FireScreamer · Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:37 am

Making connections based on projected flips is fine. I'm not advocating acting on any of this till we see a red momo. Are you concerned about that?

FireScreamer · Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:07 pm

No lynch is not an option today. It leaves us exactly where we are today tomorrow.

FireScreamer · Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:58 pm

That said. In the interests of competitive diversity.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DogWatch

FireScreamer · Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:49 pm

In post 1559, Boonskiies wrote:I actually don't really know what to say without going on some crazy speculation boon logic level stuff.

Then let's have some of that.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: momo

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:36 am

If only we had some sort of role that could have killed momo if he was scum or confirmed him if he were town. Sort of the perfect target for that magical role.

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:38 am

I really wasn't. But that argument seems very much beside the point.

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:46 pm

While I appreciate the moxie Eddie if you want to actually start a counterwagon this late it can't be on Keyser

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:54 pm

I can get behind a ThinkBig wagon tomorrow if Momo flips town in a big way.

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:55 pm

Barley would you go after thinkbig today?

FireScreamer · Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:55 pm

If we can do this I want to do this now

FireScreamer · Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:28 pm

We aren't going anywhere else in 10 hours and a NO would be catastrophic. Someone hammer.

FireScreamer · Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:56 am

Is this level of incompetence banal?

FireScreamer · Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:56 am

Banable

FireScreamer · Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:05 am

In post 1633, FireScreamer wrote:Banable

The ironing

FireScreamer · Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:39 am

ThinkBig replaced and said nothing for at least 4 days. He was happy with the status quo of the Momo wagon and let it continue.

FireScreamer · Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:41 am

I still don't think its worth no lynching but we should probably talk about that.

Barley
Keysar
Dogwatch/Eddie
Thinkbig/Gerry/Wheme

FireScreamer · Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:26 am

God forbid any of you post a constructive thought.

FireScreamer · Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:45 am

What didn't you like about those things? Use your words.

FireScreamer · Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:31 am

As I said Barley it was in the interests of competitive diversity.

I hate fait accomplis. I wanted to see if anyone would follow me. Momo was always going to be there and I went back soon enough. Do you think scum is more likely to jump off the momo wagon just to rejoin than town?

FireScreamer · Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:37 am

Why did you just let someone hijack a popcorning?

FireScreamer · Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:40 am

I do disagree. Barley starting it made the most sense and you let him do that without protest.

FireScreamer · Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:52 am

In post 1672, Barleycorn wrote:
In post 1667, FireScreamer wrote:I do disagree. Barley starting it made the most sense and you let him do that without protest.
what's your point? i'm actually curious, what was eddie supposed to do? and why should i claim first?

You don't claim first you claim last. You pick who goes first.

And Eddie is supposed to not let a scumread take the role he just designated is best filled by confirmed town.

FireScreamer · Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:53 am

In post 1674, Barleycorn wrote:fire's role is the one i'm most curious about.

Is that an official request for me to start the popcorning?

FireScreamer · Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:57 am

Note that you should be popcorning your top scumreads first in an effort to let your townreads catch them in lies that they wouldnt have to make with all the information available. If I am your actual top scumread go ahead Barley.

FireScreamer · Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:58 am

In post 1678, WhemeStar wrote:
In post 1676, FireScreamer wrote:
In post 1674, Barleycorn wrote:fire's role is the one i'm most curious about.
Is that an official request for me to start the popcorning?
I started it

No you didn't. You tried to hijack it and believe me it was noted. You however don't get your way here. Are you really arguing with me putting the power back in the hands of actual factual conftown?

FireScreamer · Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:11 am

In post 1681, Barleycorn wrote:
In post 1675, FireScreamer wrote:
In post 1672, Barleycorn wrote:
In post 1667, FireScreamer wrote:I do disagree. Barley starting it made the most sense and you let him do that without protest.
what's your point? i'm actually curious, what was eddie supposed to do? and why should i claim first?
You don't claim first you claim last. You pick who goes first.

And Eddie is supposed to not let a scumread take the role he just designated is best filled by confirmed town.
right but what action should eddie take lol? he said we should decide who claims first, and then wheme claimed. so should eddie, uh, vote wheme? ddos wheme's internet? i don't get what you're saying

He shouldn't say "Sure, go ahead and pick who claims next Whemestar" obviously.

Wheme should have been FoSed for hijacking and it should have been clear that power goes back to you where it should have been in the first place.

FireScreamer · Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:18 am

In post 1685, Barleycorn wrote:also what eddie did re: wheme is nai.

Eh. Disagree but I don't feel particularly strongly about it. It was worthy of questioning it at the very least.

FireScreamer · Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:20 am

Ill do a dive on Keysar somepoint soon Eddie ok? Its mostly a feel thing from early in the game and it probably is appropriate that I reexamine him.

FireScreamer · Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:39 am

In post 1688, Eddie Cane wrote:
In post 1675, FireScreamer wrote:
In post 1672, Barleycorn wrote:
In post 1667, FireScreamer wrote:I do disagree. Barley starting it made the most sense and you let him do that without protest.
what's your point? i'm actually curious, what was eddie supposed to do? and why should i claim first?
You don't claim first you claim last. You pick who goes first.

And Eddie is supposed to not let a scumread take the role he just designated is best filled by confirmed town.
Well guess what? the scumread took the role without asking. the damage is done. it's typically the scummiest to towniest who claim, so in most games he'd be the first to claim anyways. how do you propose I react?

As the scummiest player in the game. If you KNOW barley will name you what do you do?

FireScreamer · Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:43 am

In post 1691, Eddie Cane wrote:that doesn't answer my question. how do you think I should have reacted?

"No wheme you don't get to name the next player, Barley will"

FireScreamer · Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:01 am

He gives teammates more information before they have to claim by naming a non teammate.

FireScreamer · Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:28 am

Actually yes that is a better idea. Barley if we massclaim you should decide the full order.

FireScreamer · Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:38 am

No I don't his reaction to it has been gucci. But it was worth getting his reaction to it ya know?

FireScreamer · Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:39 am

The big takeaway from this is a big fat FoS on wheme, regardless of how eddie dealt with anything.

FireScreamer · Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:24 am

Thats a question for Dogwatch and not me for obvious reasons.

FireScreamer · Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:35 am

Dogwatch, why are you copying my reads?

FireScreamer · Sat Mar 25, 2017 12:59 am

I'd rather lyncH someone who was trolling and lose because of it that not lynch someone who was trolling and lose because of it. If Gerry wants to play 2 scum 2 scum I don't have the investment in this game any more to next level it.

FireScreamer · Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:04 am

Even night watcher. Lost the coin flip last night. Watched barley. No visitors.