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[Barleycorn]

VOTE: mozamis

[Barleycorn]

Lets all be out in the open as possible as town and screw scum over!

This looks like something I would have written the very first time I ever played scum

and you're not voting mozamis because?

[Barleycorn]

Lets all be out in the open as possible as town and screw scum over!

This looks like something I would have written the very first time I ever played scum

and you're not voting mozamis because?

well he's voting for eddie cane which is a good reason

no he's not

[Barleycorn]

Lets all be out in the open as possible as town and screw scum over!

This looks like something I would have written the very first time I ever played scum

and you're not voting mozamis because?

it was an fos.. just had a look at his demeanor from past games and it seems about the same, prob not a newbscum tell

it seems disingenuous to fos someone while voting your rvs vote.

dude I JUST admitted you probably weren't noob scum like I originally read, and you're going to call me opportunist? This feels very reactionary, like an omgus

mozamis doesn't feel reactionary to me. they feel something else.

[Barleycorn]

That said, dog's resistance to the fire wagon makes me want to vote fire so

VOTE: fire

this was your first explicit reason for voting fire.

I also never said dog was scum. I've wanted to start a wagon and felt like fucking with him

this is the second reason you vote fire.

fire's point seems to be that neither reason logically supports your fire vote. do you disagree?

personally, i fail to see how fucking with dogwatch is a reason to vote fire.

what is your point, arona? that you don't like fire's reaction to your vote? what don't you like about it? it's possible that 60 goes into this but it's incredibly unclear.

arona is obfuscating in this conversation. but i don't know if it's intentional.

[Barleycorn]

I wasn't pretending to be looking for reactions

my question is riffing off this, what is the reaction from fire that you don't like?

[Barleycorn]

Because like transcend is probably voting one of his suspects so the question kind of rang hollow for me and then mozamis just doesn't follow through?? I guess I just feel like it's an empty post

How's that? Transcend mentioned four people (two FoS, two tr) but only voted for one. What rings hollow about him wanting to find out the others? And what is suspicious about empty posts? I'm not saying they're good, but this early in the game, it can be a bit tricky to provide any useful content.

Well it was more of a gut feeling, but then when mozamis didn't follow through it became an empty post when it shouldn't have been.

That said, dog's resistance to the fire wagon makes me want to vote fire so

VOTE: fire

i don't get this progression in the context of your fire vote being to fish for reactions.

were you scumreading fire at the time of 50? were you scumreading mozamis at the time of 50?

VOTE: arona

[Barleycorn]

Fire has three votes now with zero reasoning behind them. Can the three of you explain? We're getting out of the rvs stage at this point. Which reminds me to remove my random vote UNVOTE:

Concerned townie much?

just clarifying, was this sarcastic?

[Barleycorn]

**ignores every question asked to it**

what questions has dogwatch ignored?

[Barleycorn]

No it wasn't.
It's trying to show that he's being pro town by asking a bunch of people as to why they are RVS voting Fire. Being on 3 votes is nothing. It's L-4, what's the big deal?

so you think scum!dogwatch was trying to look like a concerned townie

[Barleycorn]

**ignores every question asked to it**

what questions has dogwatch ignored?

You just quoted it in your previous post.

it looked rhetorical. are you saying that you wanted dogwatch to answer the question: "concerned townie much?"

how would one answer that anyway?

[Barleycorn]

No it wasn't.
It's trying to show that he's being pro town by asking a bunch of people as to why they are RVS voting Fire. Being on 3 votes is nothing. It's L-4, what's the big deal?

so you think scum!dogwatch was trying to look like a concerned townie

Also I thought we have covered already that a desire to appear townie also has incentives for actual townies and is therefor a null tell.

that is a different discussion. i am trying to figure out what shadow meant by 48. he has implied so far that it was a question he wanted dogwatch to answer, but also that it was a statement about dogwatch's alignment.

[Barleycorn]

By why is he asking reasons for rvs votes ? What is the point of asking reasons for RVS votes ? How does one person being on 3 votes on day 1 such a big deal?

ok. it was not clear until now that this was the purpose of that question, which by all appearances was rhetorical.

i would like to see dogwatch's response.

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fire, stop mucking up the thread please.

[Barleycorn]

fire, stop mucking up the thread please.

Specify how. I should probably be cleaning up the quote pyramids I guess.

an off-topic post and an antagonizing one.

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i disagree with the former and have issues with the latter but I see no value in this discussion so this will be my last post in it.

[Barleycorn]

it is my fault for starting it in annoyance.

[Barleycorn]

VOTE: keyser

this one i'm curious about. why?

[Barleycorn]

VOTE: eddie cane

His case on shadow seems opportunistic. And he basically just repeats what others have said.

Bad vote.
I consolidate the suspicions of other players to strengthen my own stance on a player.
Eddie Cane's anger felt genuine.

genuine anger at shadow's tone = town mindset? could it not have been genuine, but still bolstered scum!eddie's vote?

even subtracting the fact that eddie is voting shadow because shadow did something eddie sees as anti-town, rather than eddie actually thinking shadow is scum.

[Barleycorn]

even subtracting the fact that eddie is voting shadow because shadow did something eddie sees as anti-town, rather than eddie actually thinking shadow is scum.

hm, i checked to make sure this was true and realized i misinterpreted this.

i don't hate eddie's shadow vote.

[Barleycorn]

you should probably vote me over fire though as I did take his argument.

this looks really self conscious and trying-too-hard. I'm happy with my Dog vote, but you're next on the Moz list.

would you still think this is ai if it were the case that eddie has done something similar before?

[Barleycorn]

i think dog is town.

UNVOTE: arona

VOTE: mozamis

[Barleycorn]

sorry, ^ those ideas look connected but they only are somewhat.

[Barleycorn]

i like transcend and want to sheep him. i don't like reading keyser's posts and get little from them when i do. i also don't like that keyser didn't interact with my 159

UNVOTE: moz

VOTE: keyser

[Barleycorn]

keyser's interaction with dog was weird. everyone reading really far into dog's reaction to the fire wagon is weird.

[Barleycorn]

i like transcend and want to sheep him. i don't like reading keyser's posts and get little from them when i do. i also don't like that keyser didn't interact with my 159

I am currently on this page as part of my catch-up.
I will 'interact' with you as part of my natural catch-up.
I have not ignored anything/anyone so far.

okay

keyser's interaction with dog was weird. everyone reading really far into dog's reaction to the fire wagon is weird.

"Weird"?
I think my analysis on that was explicit and insightful thank you very much.

Lot's of dialogue has been expressed on dog's reaction/fire's wagon, so me sharing my own stance on it is not "weird" or irrational.

weird meaning when i read it, i didn't understand your motivations. that other people have talked about it doesn't change this.

what conclusions have you drawn from that conversation about dog's alignment?

[Barleycorn]

keyser's interaction with dog was weird. everyone reading really far into dog's reaction to the fire wagon is weird.

mountain made out of a mole hill

who in {moz, keyser, arona, (maybe?)shadow} do you think is scum, if any?

[Barleycorn]

I need to go back through moz and aronas ISO, but out of that group, I'd say one of them.

:/

i was looking for something closer to a name.

[Barleycorn]

yeah it is.

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eddie, do you think dog is town?

[Barleycorn]

can you tell me more about where the scum lean comes from? from the above post it sounds like you scum lean dog because scum!dog + scum!shadow is a possibility.

[Barleycorn]

if dog believed that rvs ends by definition once a wagon starts, would the second quote make more sense from town!dog?

[Barleycorn]

I don't know. I don't know town!dog or scum!dog. to me it looks like something that a new scum could do to get town cred by looking like they're dissecting voting though.

would you agree that this is different than what you said in 189?

[Barleycorn]

you're asking me to speculate the meta of someone who hasn't played in 9 years. o.o

what do you mean by different? I think you're interpreting my posts differently than I intended.

i wasn't asking you to speculate meta.

in 189 you said there was an inconsistency between dog's saying he doesn't get rvs, and saying that we had left rvs. i don't think that's really an inconsistency though. he said he thought we had left rvs, and when people informed him that the fire votes were standard looking rvs votes, he said that he didn't get rvs.

so, i asked you if you would take the same conclusion from dog's quotes if you knew that dog believed any wagon signaled the end of rvs.

then you made a new and different point that dog's reaction to the fire wagon could be scum trying to get towncred for analyzing voting.

[Barleycorn]

i think a better question would be, why is dog saying we've left rvs, and dog not understanding rvs, incompatible?

[Barleycorn]

Fire has three votes now with zero reasoning behind them. Can the three of you explain? We're getting out of the rvs stage at this point. Which reminds me to remove my random vote UNVOTE:

I played on a small site back in 2007-2008. Haven't played since. RVS wasn't a thing. Random questions were usually how we started, but I read some games on this site and it looks like RQS is an instant scum read which blows my mind. I don't really know how to play on this site yet. I'm used to games based around night decisions/analysis, items, numerous power roles, crazy gimmicks, etc. This site just looks like endless day phase squabbling to me.

If there's nothing weird about those three fire votes in the context of this site , I'm cool with that. I just didn't interpret it that way at the time.

I have an eight hour drive ahead of me, so I'll be back on later tonight/early tomorrow.

I think we agree dog doesn't understand Rvs. my interpretation is that his initial post is potentially trying to appear like he's contributing to discussion while not actually taking any sort of stance. he clearly doesn't get rvs, so immediately attacking a small wagon that formed during rvs could be "oh, lemme defend this wagon, their votes are all naked so they won't have a case and I'll look good".

and yes, that's not the strongest case on the world, remember dog is only slightly on the scum side for me.

i understand the case. i'll ask you again - would you agree that you made a different case in 189?

[Barleycorn]

189 - dogwatch said we're out of rvs, but then he said he doesn't get rvs. this is inconsistent.

case 2 - scum!dogwatch, not getting rvs, thought he could get towncred by jumping on what he saw as 3 unsupported and therefore bad votes.

i am annoyed that you don't see these as distinct. or is my interpretation of your 189 incorrect?

dude I JUST admitted you probably weren't noob scum like I originally read, and you're going to call me opportunist? This feels very reactionary, like an omgus

Fire has three votes now with zero reasoning behind them. Can the three of you explain? We're getting out of the rvs stage at this point. Which reminds me to remove my random vote UNVOTE:

the second doesn't make much sense when he later posts that his previous site doesn't use rvs, it's implying that he understands rvs ("were getting out atp") while at the same time later saying he doesn't get rvs.

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It's NOT inconsistent. I said I thought we were getting out of RVS, but when I got corrected on that, I admitted I didn't understand RVS as well as I thought I did. There's no inconsistency there.

i know this and i am pretty sure eddie knows this.

[Barleycorn]

you are giving me head pains.

in 188 i ask you where your scum lean of dog comes from.

in 189 you tell me it's (in part) because dog said we were out of rvs, but then said he didn't get rvs, which doesn't make sense according to you. the other parts of the scum lean are his interaction with shadow and his use of trigger words.

interjection - why is a new player using 'trigger words' scum indicative?

in 190 i ask an unclear question that's basically hinting that there was no inconsistency in dog's play. i revise this question in 197.

in 191 you come up with a

new

case that bypasses my question. then in 194 you bypass my question again by incorrectly saying I was asking you to do meta analysis.

the two points i've made that you seem not to understand are -

1. that the case you make starting from 191 is absent in 189 and
2. that there is a distinct case in 189 that i asked you about, and that you subsequently abandoned

work with me to figure this out or i'm voting you.

[Barleycorn]

for some clarity in what i'm doing, i think 189 + 191 is scum but i'm trying to see how possible it is that town!eddie made those posts.

[Barleycorn]

you are way too hung up on this, there is no inconsistency and barley has been trying to drill this into your head

Also it would be great if everyone could refer to me by the correct pronoun

you said this already in 206, why are you repeating it?

and will do re: pronoun.

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if you think whether or not you were being inconsistent is the crux of the discussion, you're being dense too.

[Barleycorn]

would you still think this is ai if it were the case that eddie has done something similar before

if he were town when he did it, i guess not.
It just has that scvummy feel about it ("go on, vote me, i dont care, i'm sao fucking tiwn, oh he wifom! etc)
its not a definte tell, obv (is there such a thing?). But worth a Fos.

what do you think about our interaction from 189-now?

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Gut

You are not going to get 6 other people to agree with Gut. You know this and are not trying. Which means you are putting on a show and I wonder why.

why can't gut be the honest basis for transcend's read of kaiser?

[Barleycorn]

it does create pressure.

[Barleycorn]

it does create pressure.

How so? What is to be feared of a vote based on intuition which is by its very nature non transferable?

the fear is that someone else has the same gut read. which is literally what happened.

why do you scumread dog?

[Barleycorn]

Going from calling out LAMIST to being LAMIST seems like an odd progression as the first two things you do in a game. I read looking for reasoning on me as an attempt to garner my favour as really it doesn't do much else.

this is very lazy

explain how dog was lamist

also explain why you scum lean eddie

[Barleycorn]

124 vs 134

this isn't self-explanatory.

and your list is bad.

[Barleycorn]

okay

explain how dog was lamist

i think you're missing a lot in your laziness

[Barleycorn]

I'm certainly pretty tired tonight i'll give you that. Asking for reasoning behind RVS votes is about looking like you are trying to find a solution. It is about appearances. Generally I don't mind that for reasons i've previously stated. However when you've already shown that you scumread it in other people then it becomes interesting.

dog scumread someone for asking for reasoning behind rvs votes?

[Barleycorn]

hmm.

yes or no question

do you believe that in 189 said you scum lean dog based on an argument resembling this:

1. dog said she thought rvs was over
2. later dog said she didn't understand rvs
3. declaring rvs over requires understanding of rvs
c. this is a scummy inconsistency/something doesn't add up

[Barleycorn]

@mod transcend is on both keyser and eddie in your vc

i wouldn't say transcend made up massive resistance. dog explicitly townreads keyser, fire explicitly townreads keyser, and despite many players townreading me they don't want to sheep the keyser wagon. there's definitely resistance, so you'd only be disagreeing with the word massive

VC fixed

[Barleycorn]

that was the second point there basically. so, I guess your answer is yes.

ok. then, for the third time, would you agree that this (189) is a different point than the one you made in 191?

i scum lean you because you made a case to support what you said was your scum lean on dog, i showed there was (at least one) issue with it, and then you made a new case. i am willing to believe the new case was your genuine thoughts on dog and not something you made up once you realized your scum lean was deteriorating, i think you've proved that in our exchange. but i do need you to acknowledge that they're two different cases.

[Barleycorn]

i think my pressure on eddie would have been good if he were actually scum. but reading our exchange again i think he genuinely thought from the very beginning that his two cases on dog were actually one case. this goes against my suspicion that he realized his original case was NAI and made up a new one to support his scum lean.

i think eddie is town and i wonder why transcend is voting him.

pedit: oh i see. that post is really vague. you were basically saying what i am thinking now? which is that you believed both cases from the beginning and the timing of your posts was not connected to my question in 190.

[Barleycorn]

VOTE: mozamis

keyser feels slimy. but i'll go back here since i think we can actually lynch this one.

[Barleycorn]

in all honesty I'm still not seeing what you're saying entirely. 191 was in reply to 190, but I didn't really see it as a seperate argument, I thought 189 implied it.

i'm not sure how you think "this thing is strange" implies "this thing is scum indicative for this specific reason i am only saying now"

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the post was directly in reply to you asking why he's a slight scum lean for me.

holy ****

189 was in direct reply. but what was contained in 189 was a bad argument. 190 was my question about that bad argument. 191 is your response. 191 is not a bad argument but it is a different argument.

if you still disagree with this i am going to leave it because, again, i believe you did not make up 191 after i asked 190, and if 284 doesn't get my dissonance across nothing will. if both of these are true this conversation has little point.

[Barleycorn]

or oppose the scum-case on me.

what was this case?

[Barleycorn]

i think you're full of ****!

[Barleycorn]

i think mozamis is town and wonder why barley is voting him

any specific town motivated posts, or just a feeling?

[Barleycorn]

just looks like overeager town

although you're probably right on eddie

overeager in what respect? other than pushing dog (and then relenting a bit) and then a little on eddie i haven't seen mozamis do anything but give his reads

[Barleycorn]

? didn't want to pick apart your reads, just wanted to have a discussion. i had no issue with your fire vote.

[Barleycorn]

ok you're not full of shit. but i don't think transcend is either.

Gut

You are not going to get 6 other people to agree with Gut. You know this and are not trying. Which means you are putting on a show and I wonder why.

would you agree this is an example of resistance?

[Barleycorn]

oops i swore. was trying to avoid doing so.

[Barleycorn]

I had the same read as transcend, scumread moz instantly but later figured he was overzealous town. Don't really understand what barley said to have transcend vote moz again.

ok i can ask you then

overzealous in what respect?

[Barleycorn]

oh ok. i might have some confbias since moz has only pushed dog and eddie, both of whom i think are town. so it doesn't feel like moz has done much scumhunting. the push on dog feels real enough.

Transcend had a similar progression but now he's voting moz as though you were making a push. But you weren't.

what does this mean?

[Barleycorn]

219 sucks too

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yeah i agree it was ott. but i don't think it was transcend trying to paint a false narrative.

transcend's post made me ISO you and i realized i felt similarly. so why is it valid to say that transcend's style can't convince people to lynch their scumread?

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traveling so brief thoughts.

fire probably town

arona town

norska, when you get back, what conclusions did you get from people's responses to 144?

keyser still slimy

gerry why do you say keyser is town?

[Barleycorn]

you unvoted, so i guess it doesnt matter.

no i didn't

VOTE: mozamis

keyser feels slimy. but i'll go back here since i think we can actually lynch this one.

a reason would be good.

you seem least likely of anyone active to be town.

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i can see why he voted me. his vote actually makes sense, unlike aron and moz

bleh. everything he does makes sense on the surface.

[Barleycorn]

do you have experience with him as maf?

nah. i think it could be useful for me to read some of his games later.

it's just a feeling that i have that's he's too reasoned out. i've been describing it as slimy.

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that you are "open" with your observations/reads is not my issue, obviously, and the fact you implied that it is, is part of the real issue.

[Barleycorn]

well start with this interaction

why would you think i'd have an issue with openness? you clearly imply this in 419.

[Barleycorn]

You are miss-understanding my 'open/

rational

line of thought' as 'surface level shit'.

I think you're discrediting my actual contributions this game.

You are a town read, so I do not think you did this insidiously.

Why aren't you looking from my perspective... why do you think I am explaining my observations/reads, and answering people's questions directly? Do you think I am hiding anything 'under the surface'?

(The only thing I am hiding is a scum-lean, but I am waiting for that player's next step before I flag it).

i'll read you closer tomorrow. but i do think logic can be synthesized.

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Did I miss something here? What has moz done to earn votes?

annoying question coming from the person who said

if you guys are debating voting moz or fire, I'm down with fire. Not getting any strong scum reads from the rest at this point anyway.

[Barleycorn]

eh i guess there's no big issue with the question. what i was pointing out is that you're questioning the moz wagon yet you have no strong scumreads aka no real alternative but fire.

i should ask, do you townread moz?

[Barleycorn]

412

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original moz vote was because i didn't like 5. new one is because i don't feel like he's done much, and i didn't like a fire wagon.

[Barleycorn]

i don't like to make random votes

5 looked self conscious

[Barleycorn]

self conscious and overly cautious. just pick one, don't take a census

[Barleycorn]

if moz and keyser are your biggest scum reads do you think there's been any suspicious interaction between them?

If we lynch moz and he flips town what does that say about keyser, if anything?

i don't know. i'll worry about this on day 2?

[Barleycorn]

momo how many games of forum mafia have you played?

[Barleycorn]

Who believes this hardclaim. Just think he is trying to draw attention of himself.
Don't think he has done any scum reading himself, just asks what others think: is ready to lynch anyone.

For me, this means that as scum, he knows who is scum. If he thinks he can lynch anyone from town with the support of others, he will go for it.

what motivation does scum have to draw attention to themselves?

why do you say gerry has done no scum reading? see 139, 195, and in 445 he scumreads the person you're voting. i wonder if you said he just asks other people who to lynch because of a single post of his (336).

emphasis on the town claim as like, a serious gameplay item, and the wording of "For me, this means that as scum, he knows who is scum," makes me feel worried about momoslot.

[Barleycorn]

I am not really feeling the pressure on fire. Will not have him lynched unless people give me good reasons.

what about it do you not like?

[Barleycorn]

btw i'm stalling on reading keyser. will it suffice everyone to say that i don't want to lynch him today and will devote more time to my own read of him later?

[Barleycorn]

i don't like momo.

i would do momo wagon.

[Barleycorn]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: momo

i'd do frank too

lingering suspicion this game that there was scum in the lurkers but couldn't do much about it.

[Barleycorn]

nobody answer for him.

her

[Barleycorn]

So...... now I'm not a fan of frank's vote OR yours, and I'm kinda baffled as to why you'd draw attention to this.

is it townier or scummier to draw attention to something that you might also have done

[Barleycorn]

So...... now I'm not a fan of frank's vote OR yours, and I'm kinda baffled as to why you'd draw attention to this.

is it townier or scummier to draw attention to something that you might also have done

that *I* did? Or just hypothetically?

hypothetically... though i feel like it should be obvious that's what i meant but w/e

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anywho, i'd say it's a potential scum slip, unless it's town acknowledging an inconsistency in my read and willing to use himself as an example.. I mean, it's hard to say.

i'm so confused

i don't see a point to continuing this line of questioning because i think you're town, but you're going to be lynchbait forever

[Barleycorn]

do you think eddie is town or scum

[Barleycorn]

i don't understand how you answer my question about whether you think eddie is scum or town with multiple sentences that have nothing to do with eddie

[Barleycorn]

I think barley is town because broccoli pushed cabbage and carrot town reads lettuce

holy **** hahaha

[Barleycorn]

my answer was literally the first sentence

the rest of my post was just the thoughts that followed

okay

explain how eddie might have scum slipped in his interaction with you

[Barleycorn]

He called attention to his own meatless vote when I complained about someone else's. I'm not sure why town would do that outside of just a careless mistake or a false sense of invulnerability.

why would scum do this?

[Barleycorn]

@Barley- Why do you think Dogwatch is town. I'm not seeing it.

i think there was a specific interaction that screamed town, i'll find it later. but in general dog seems very earnest.

VOTE: Dogwatch

Reading the thread:
68- You vote because you say you agree with Fire. Fair enough, but

304- Bringing the fact that you had the same read as Transcend.
318- "if you guys", again bringing up what others are doing.
465- Looks familiar.
506- Again, looks familiar.

the trend you're pointing out isn't scummy on its own

do you think dog seems more shifty going whatever direction the wind blows, or just unsure of her own ability? i personally feel like it's definitely the latter, but you're voting her so you must think it's the former? why specifically is this pattern scum indicative?

[Barleycorn]

why specifically is this pattern scum indicative?

A way to participate in a lynch without having to take the blame for it. For example, in 452- she says she townreads mozamis. In 458, asks you what is wrong with a post mozamis made. Then votes her based on the fact that she trusts you. Now, if mozamis flips town, who is going to be blamed the most for the lynch. Probably not Dogwatch.

all you're doing here is showing why scum might do x, but not why scum are more likely than town to do x or why dogwatch is scum because she did x

you also ignored the rest of my counter point which i will replicate again if you missed it

do you think dog seems more shifty going whatever direction the wind blows, or just unsure of her own ability? i personally feel like it's definitely the latter, but you're voting her so you must think it's the former? why specifically is this pattern scum indicative?

you asked why i townread dogwatch because you don't see it. but i don't sense much of a drive in you to see it

[Barleycorn]

dogwatch i am 99% sure you interpreted

Now, if mozamis flips town, who is going to be blamed the most for the lynch. Probably not Dogwatch.

incorrectly

[Barleycorn]

such a weird interpretation

it's about how the rest of the players would react, not about you setting up future mislynches. doesn't matter much. what i don't get though is why you felt the need to respond to selynee's post

[Barleycorn]

ok. no point continuing this either.

[Barleycorn]

barley, why momo over frank?

474 is gross and i think momo will talk to me/help me sort them where frank won't

[Barleycorn]

damn frank, he told you

[Barleycorn]

barley, why momo over frank?

474 is gross and i think momo will talk to me/help me sort them where frank won't

Im not sure what you mean here

what is confusing? i didn't feel like trying to interact with you and momo seemed talkative.

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sely how can you ignore 542 but still vote dog?

[Barleycorn]

I care, im just phone posting from work.
All D1 has been is WIFOM. (Check above).

above post was not a good post but not all of d1 has been like that. stop being reductive

[Barleycorn]

apple is taking my laptop for 3-5 days so v/la until sunday

[Barleycorn]

barley, why momo over frank?

474 is gross and i think momo will talk to me/help me sort them where frank won't

So are you saying GerryGoat is scum or that I messed up somewhere?? Please clarify.

no u

481 482 523

[Barleycorn]

Who do you think is scum.

selynee, maybe frank, and maybe you

i will think about keyser and mozamis d2 i think

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why are you voting moz?

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570 483

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Momo ignore transcend for a moment and answer 579

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crap my phone capitalizes the first letter of any line. ruined.

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wtf

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why won't you answer 579? if you don't understand what i'm asking, how is thai even possible

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posts containing a question you didn't answer

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i don't even understand what happened here but i know momo sure doesn't respond well to pressure - how alignment indicative that is i am unsure

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Where is everyone

im sitting at home on my phone angry that i don't have a computer

you best be planning to interact with people if you're asking this question. any specific people you have questions for/want to talk to?

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eddie dropping subtle hints as to who his main is. i'll figure it out soon

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im not ignoring you sely but id rather talk when i have a keyboard

pedit: why should i do that

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is 652 supposed to be a case? i don't understand it

pedit: hm that rules out a lot of people whom eddie can be

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ok

UNVOTE: momo

scum in {sely, transcend, keyser, frank}? I'll probably vote within sely/frank

why is momo town the consensus?

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Yeah

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momo wagon wasn't bad, idk why you're saying that

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haven't kept up since my last post but i don't want to lynch fire. i think he's town.

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lol momo gets zero town cred for saying investigate me. people who say otherwise idk where your head is at. where is wifom master frank

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725 feels weird but could just be eddie

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i unvoted because my gut says momo is town. but i am curious about what arguments people have advanced in favour of town!momo given that momo has been almost explicitly useless

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oh yeah also because moz told me to

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jk momo does get town cred for saying investigate me. darn.

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that's assuming momo is town

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i still think that wagon could be all town.

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that's not inconsistent with there being zero scum on that wagon

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we can talk about it in a bit

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fire is town jesus

is frank at l-2

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sorry i can't help you guys more but i think fire and regrettably keyser are doing fine

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If Frank does not start playing like a regular person with reasons and starts contributing to town, he should be our D1 lynch.

I mean....he is scum anyway.

Trying to get frank to contribute. Willing to consider town frank.

True, we can vote Moz D2, compromise on Frank today.

Implys that he agrees with the Moz reasoning but is representing Frank as a done deal with 33% of the day left.

this isn't scummy

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i'd rather see moz respond to fire than anyone else

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sely is probably in there.

Intent to vote frank.

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VOTE: frank

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l-1

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... did he claim

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hammering before a claim is standard town practice?

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transcend why do you think it unimportant to get a frank claim before a hammer

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bah.

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lol

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lol

did you know

no. did you?

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why did you trick me?

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actually you just straight up lied.

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fire doing nka before there's even a nk?

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why would that make what i said irrelevant

anyway i still think fire is town i just didn't like that post

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you saying that a mozamis scumteam will definitely kill you is dumb and sets up bad wifom going into d2

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sely is pretending to do things. the question she asks me in 938 is useless bordering on incoherent. if we don't lynch frank we should lynch her

im not sold on scum moz and rather vote someone i think is scum

pedit: your argument is wifom at best completely invalid at worst.

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the purpose of what

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lurking killed this dp.

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No, it is not incoherent. Look, it was basically an analysis of a completely hypothetical nk, and I don't see how it has any relevance on Fire being mafia or town. If he is mafia, he will obviously not be nk'ed.

for the record, i said you were incoherent, not fire.

you want to convince me that you're adding anything salient? explain how fire not being nkd if he's scum has any relevance to the discussion

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cool. do you think my overall contribution to the game has been useless?

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day phase

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ok so you think dogwatch is scum.

who else is scum?

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you're right it was a useless post.

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ugh ok you're probably vi

my reads are garbage like always.

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well everything in 956 is nai but your reads feel real.

me? i don't tr frank

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Norska was town as fuck so Sely is prob town

norska wasn't town as fuck... he had one good post he never followed up on

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and transcend already said he knew that.

vi vi vi vi

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Should of been me.

why?

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VOTE: Mozamis

After rereading I have been convinced.

After further review of everyone on this thread

VOTE: Mozamis

deja vu

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this must have happened when i was on mobile. momo lied about reasons for voting moz?

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ok ty

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letting everyone know that i'm going to try to finish this game but i'm in a really bad emotional place right now.

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i'm good i just made a mistake signing up.

between moz and momo moz feels more scum.

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VOTE: moz

l-2

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can i give my opinion on wheme?

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norska didn't answer one of my questions, though by way of replacing.

wheme 990 is weird. i asked about it and wheme didn't answer. 1035 is pretty blatantly not interacting with dog's inquiry. 1011 might imply foreknowledge though that's admittedly weak. i scumread him

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im voting moz out of laziness i think. but i do have to say that nobody is really doing work to sort anyone but moz/momo. except boon? and keyser i think

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fire is explicitly not doing so which is annoying if he's town

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why was it a bad question?

pedit: i don't think fire is scum but his play today is weakening my tr of him

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If I state the reasons then I may break rules , let's call it a meta read then

surely you aren't insinuating that you've cheated somehow?

ongoing game.

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yes

and are you voting momo because they're terrible or because you think they're scum?

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eh i guess i'd rather moz not be lynched right now right now.

UNVOTE:

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VOTE: selynee

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eh idk i thought she was vi before. but it's a completely useless slot. even momo is interacting.

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1012 is bad.

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this dp has been crap, i want to give people who are more invested than i am a chance to make it not crap before someone's lynched

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whatever.

VOTE: moz

l-1

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moz want to lynch wheme instead of fire?

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oh.

well that's a fitting shitty end to this shitty alt then.

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sorry for helping to ruin this game but momo, sely, shadow, and fire did much more work on that account.

pedit: wow fuck you.

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did you really just fucking dayvig me?

nevermind you ruined this game. eat shit.

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that might be true moz but it's pretty beside the point.

if you're actually a dayvig you just threw.

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it's a stupid use of dayvig power.

would you people really rather i replace out?

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UNVOTE: Lollll barley just got shot cause Moz can't Count votes correctly?

you're scum.

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VOTE: wheme

even if i don't die this is scum.

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oh ok. so moz is dead. sucks. lynch wheme.

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Eddie already told everyone what I am.

null-scum?

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that's what i remember eddie saying.

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it better not.

huh? i was putting you to l-1. i even said l-1 when i voted. don't put this on me lol

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You were gonna shoot me right?

this would have been equally dumb.

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you're just a mean, toxic person.

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and i do take responsibility for my shit play. after this game i'm not touching the site for at least a couple months.

but stop using my mental illness to insult me.