Micro 688: Greater Idea Mafia: Game Over

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VOTE: Transcend

Serious vote. Pretty sure Transcend picks a non-town role 100% of the time.

AND he discarded mason, which is rather strong.

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actually mason does nothing if there's only one

VOTE: Jaack

scummiest discard I think

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first 2 times this setup was rolled I discarded mafia roles for town ones, so either there wasn't enough scum or there was so much other scum that my own choice didn't matter

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101 ways to discard 3rd parties

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then transcend's dead

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pretty sure there's no role like that especially since this is a micro

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willing to lynch jaack (preferred) or transcend (ok lynch as well) with the arguments that they both discarded town prs and transcend would pick scum if he had the chance

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I was town nurse then town vanilla cop

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Also in the previous two draws i was Jester and lyncher. You guys lucked out

So you'd pick scum again this game?

ACknowledge my case on jaack?

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His discard is egregiously bad and he needs to be lynched. There is no better town role than gladiator.

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only a very slight exaggeration - top 5 role in this setup for sure

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I've seen enough actually

VOTE: transcend

transcend as town would be more than happy to get a wagon going here - more than happy to quick lynch the guy in fact. he doesn't want to get caught on a town wagon here so he's holding back. ALSO, as town he tends to ignore me early game as he finds it tedious or something, here he started talking to me right away.

That combined with his scummy discard and the fact that he'd always pick scum and his defensiveness about it (saying "of course I'd discard xyz") means he's just scum here

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VOTE: jaack

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I blocked TTTT's profile pic using adblocker

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so what did you take instead?

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Jaack's explanation smells.


Reads:

[Creature]

[alban, conmanmick]

[guiltylion, TTTT]

[thinkbig, not_mafia]

[Jaack, Transcend]

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so opportunistic

VOTE: transcend

I want to see where this vote leads

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scummy misrep

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I never said I thought you were scum

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I never said that though, you did

and you voting jaack after I voted you doesn't take away from what I was saying earlier because that stuff still happened and only when I called you out did it change

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I've seen enough actually

VOTE: transcend

transcend as town would be more than happy to get a wagon going here - more than happy to quick lynch the guy in fact. he doesn't want to get caught on a town wagon here so he's holding back.

so opportunistic

VOTE: transcend

I want to see where this vote leads

I mean
I'm kind of inclined to agree with Transcend on this one. What changes between these two posts that the action you'd expect from town Transcend is suddenly scummy?

I thought he was scum the whole time

but jaack was also on my radar as scum

so i wanted to see where that would take me

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Rc discarded a fun town role, for cop.

But cop is a

strong

town role

and you know if people saw he discarded cop he'd have been lynched

Alban discarded a scum role, but with your logic that's a lock town.

It's not lock town, just more likely

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I have a complaint about this setup: unlyncher is just very poorly implemented and basically wins for free

In the rules it says their target will always be town, and in the win conditions unlyncher wins if their target dies to a method that isn't a lynch (rather than keeping them alive) so there's nothing stopping an unlyncher from claiming their confirmed town target, who scum then kill to remove cthem and the unlyncher from the game

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I really still do not like that logic.

what are you talking about

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btw vanilla cop is useless because who's going to choose to be vanilla town and mafia goon when they can discard that

jaack's claim is tracker - which is provable.

There's 2 town trackers and 2 mafia trackers in the deck, so theoretically, if jaack isn't lying about his role (which I don't think he is, because it's provable) he has a 50% chance of being scum, that's over double the average

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I'M UNLYNCHER ON DUNN

are you really? I guess that would explain your odd behavior towards me.

or you're trolling

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i prefer trolling

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There's 2 town trackers and 2 mafia trackers in the deck, so theoretically, if jaack isn't lying about his role (which I don't think he is, because it's provable) he has a 50% chance of being scum, that's over double the average

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So what's your real role then? what warrants discarding mason?

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Why would he be jester? The only reason he's being voted is his discard, not his play, so that's kind of out of left field

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You should just claim because you're capable of being lynched today and it helps us sort things out

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The thing i hate about you is that you find a way to attack every single thing i say. Do you think I'm stupid or something

What? I don't do that

This is a misrep btw

We're not even 24 hours into the game. I'm not claiming lol.

You really should

Speculation of my role cam be discussed by scum and not town tyvm.

What does this mean

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I can't even get a word in without you shoving your opinion up my ass

seriously... what are you talking about?

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Reading through it looks like he's just calling everything you do scummy.

That's not what I was doing.

Having played with him a few times, i don't remember a single game where he didn't think i was scum at one point.

I DIDN'T VIG YOU that one game; I didn't think you were scum

it feels like you're just discrediting me all game

Plus scum!dunn is more subtle. He's not gonna ask two people to claim as scum even though that is an extremely anti-town thing to do imo.

It's not anti-town to ask you to claim when you're getting run up

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This push seems forced imo

what have you done?

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Every time i say what i want to say, you negate what i say with your opinion

My opinion "negates" what you say? Isn't that called a discussion

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I'll claim after you transcend

I technically discared a town pr

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and then it's tttt and thinkbig

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And me and Jaack were not getting run up. Assuming no one was scum claiming, neither of us were getting lynched.

LOL

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Not sure why you're using past tense.

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it's a micro

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I thought you were all for quick hammers?

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anyways I'm going to bed, here are my updated reads:

[Creature]

[alban

[guiltylion, TTTT]

[Transcend, thinkbig, not_mafia]

[Jaack, conmanmick]]

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VOTE: conmanmick

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yes i need to SKYROCKET MY POST COUNT so that people don't read my ISO and just assume i'm town for posting so much

that's not what I do

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2. Dunn would be a smart push after I get mislynched - he's heavily involved in my wagon, but has also sort of danced around it.

LOL are you kidding me

Pretty sure you did the same thing with the KainTepes predecessor in that White Flag game. (S)he had a scummy intro but you gave them a chance to defend.

Pedit: /in

Yes I remember that.
The only difference is, I defended them that game, coz they just gave up, and I thought that was null.
Here, I don't see Jaack giving up. Seems like he is absent due to time difference. Let's at least give him few more hours to show up.
What's your case against him though?

As a player, do you work more based on intuition or there's a logical thoughtprocess going on which you find tiresome to put into words? I am asking coz it's difficult for me to understand your process and rationale.

so scummy

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I think conmanmick's vote onto me was opportunistic and I'd like to see this wagon - I think they should end up claiming as well

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VOTE: Transcend you dropped the role I had last game together when you were scum, QED I got you

PEDIT fuck you I wanted to vote Transcend first

'jokey' rvs

Wait seriously

bad reaction to what creature said

I've seen enough actually

VOTE: transcend

transcend as town would be more than happy to get a wagon going here - more than happy to quick lynch the guy in fact. he doesn't want to get caught on a town wagon here so he's holding back.

so opportunistic

VOTE: transcend

I want to see where this vote leads

I mean
I'm kind of inclined to agree with Transcend on this one. What changes between these two posts that the action you'd expect from town Transcend is suddenly scummy?

scummy post I think

VOTE: Dunn
This push seems forced imo

"seems forced" bad low hanging

Reading through it looks like he's just calling everything you do scummy. It doesn't seem genuine to me.

vague reasoning


Looks very similar to a recent game I saw him as scum in

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Recent scum game was it yeah?
viewtopic.php?t=70340&f=83&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go
This is the only scum game I've played in a year. I shitposted to buy time while I finished two other games (both in which I was Masons) and it ended unexpectedly before I could play. These are literally the only three games I've actually played in about a year, so that "recent scum game" is horseshit

That's the one I was talking about

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I'm pretty sure this game isn't actually micro 668

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Dunnstral for at least not-group-scum,

what['[s that supposed to mean

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I'm not getting lynched today lol

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Transcend while you're here claim your role? we're all waiting on you

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Transcend while you're here claim your role? we're all waiting on you

Bulletproof miller princess

no really

claim or vote conmanmick

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whatever

transcend is just lynchbait maybe

let's lynch conmanmick

and then thinkbig

and if the games still going lynch alban and transcend

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of course you don't: I called you out

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VOTE: thinkbig

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I claim Jester

counterclaim

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I don't see Jester-esque play from tb.

Exactly. At best he's joking around

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like he didn't lead people into voting him

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Thinkbig next time you get in here take the time to claim please

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[Creature, guiltyliom]

[TTTT, not_mafia]

[Jaack, Transcend, ]

[Transcend, , alban]

[thinkbig, conmanmick]]

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The reason I'm asking for kills here is because in this setup this is the optimal stategy where people can discard things. I can go into more detail if you guys would like

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The reason I'm asking for claims here is because in this setup this is the optimal stategy where people can discard things. I can go into more detail if you guys would like

edit

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more Conmanmick votes

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I think there's a decent chance TTTT is scum

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[Jaack, guiltyliom]

[Creature, Transcend, Thinkbig]

[Jaack, not_mafia]

[Transcend, alban]

[TTTT, conmanmick]]

VOTE: TTTT

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You can vote for me or drop it, but don't expect a response.

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Please claim your role as well

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we only have 12 days left

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VOTE: creature

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VOTE: nolynch

really not feeling a ny of these lynches right now

let's see where this takes us

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I wouldn't mind some rope

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Transcend claim your role

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yeah i'm not dealing with this

VOTE: transcend

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This game is hard

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VOTE: conmanmick

let's put this slot out of it's misery

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TTTT was town

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by the way town just lost lol

gg

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nah get that filthy kill off of me

otherwise no take baksies

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really though if there's 3 scum town really does lose

so better hope there's not 3 scum

or tb changes his shot

or he's bluffing

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Yeah I can confirm pieg was lying earlier

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kill conmanmick please

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i lied when i said dunn was my top tr i just didn't want to eat a nk

dunnstral is obvscum lol

TTTT was town

lol he knows alignments

I dare you to try voting me tomorrow.

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wait, is pieg being serious??

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so alban was scum huh

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Btw I'll argue that your kill should be locked onto tttt because you hammered it in

I still think you should change your target just in case

change it to pieg?

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Hopefully there isn't 3 mafia members because it's nearly impossible to balance it in a game with nightkills, unless you overpower town and underpower scum.

it's random dude

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did you see pieg's complete 180 LOL

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VOTE: Dunnstral

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VOTE: Dunnstral

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I'm vengeful town

Guess scum figured that out

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Shouldn't the game have ended before I won? Not that I'm complaining. Though if you two were scum what was all that MUCKING ABOUT at the end

Also LOL @ that jester play I somehow got widely townread

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dodged the lynch,

dodged the venge,

dodged the vig.

Same

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Did nobody notice I had the mod in my colored lists and was moving him around

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we could have had two lynchers in the same game

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Their targets had to be town