Umlaut's Micro Normal

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I agree with Myko
I think you could potentially have a one shot strongman or one shot ninja but not with current town roles.

Bulletproof just isn't that powerful.
If it was JK and Watcher it would be better and you could put the Ninja or strongman I think

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I think a JK+Watcher is a pretty balanced with a 1 shot Strongman or 1 shot Ninja.
Ninja can counter watcher
Strongman counters Jailkeeper

Watcher effectively will only get one guilty since Jailkeeper jails them.

Strongman might be better to balance out that then a Ninja, since Ninja is just preventing a guilty, whereas Strongman ensures a death.

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Would one shot of each be too powerful? So it would be JK/Watcher vs. 1-Shot-Ninja/1-Shot-Strongman?

How does doctor compare to JK in power, here?

Doctor would be too powerful since it creates a scenario of follow the cop (even though its watcher)
Jail keeper balances it because watcher no longer gets results.

As far as 1 shot ninja and 1 shot strongman.....ehhh its in the right direction. I think thats still scum-sided.
But not by as much as original setup.

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Limit the Watcher?

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Thoughts on JK + 1-shot Watcher + 1-shot Strongman?

I think this is a lot better.
CFJ always has the best words to put into place why these things work out better though.

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I am kind of warming up to something like this:

Watcher
2 shot Jailkeeper
5 VTs
1 shot Strongman Goon
1 Goon

or
1 Watcher
1 shot Jailkeeper
5 VTs
1 shot Ninja
1 Goon

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The last setup there is within acceptable swing ranges (albeit still a bit swingy), but I think it's scumsided. (Town has one usable Watcher shot, and one usable Jailkeeper shot. I'd put that a little below the amount of power I'd expect town to have in a Micro, especially if the Ninja decides to use their ability D1; mathematically they should in an unknown setup but I don't expect most players to realise that.) I don't think setup spec saves town either (especially if the Goon claims late in a massclaim and has the presence of mind to claim Tracker, but probably even if that doesn't happen).

It wasn't meant to be "1 shot Watcher" just Watcher with no limitations.
Since the ninja can escape one possible guilty, thought having just 1 shot Jailkeeper was enough against the Ninja who escapes a possible guilty.

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2 Shot Watcher
1 shot Jailkeeper
5 VTs
1 shot Ninja
1 Goon

This is also probably good.

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Watcher
2 shot Jailkeeper
5 VTs
1 shot Strongman Goon
1 Goon

Wait, is this saying two 1-shot jailkeepers, or one 2-shot jailkeeper?

Either way, I'll take it. I mean, it's pretty far from the intent of my original setup ("the scum have to decide which powerful ability to counter each night"), but it seems like there's no way to make that work without giving scum too much power, so I'm willing to just do something else for now and go back to the drawing board with that idea.

If it's slightly townsided as mykonian suggested, would turning the goon into a backup strongman be an improvement?

Its 2 shot Jailkeeper
And I think we could do Back up strongman.

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I approve either of those setups I mentioned.

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Approved with Fire