BIOCHEMISTRY - game over, finally, it's only been 5 months

[Rick and Andrea]

I am the leader the of this town.

VOTE: Gorkington


~Rick, the Leader

[Rick and Andrea]

Mental note that if FB is scum, Gork is his partner.

If it only was that simple.

~Rick, the Leader.

[Rick and Andrea]

The person to pressure today is Glorkington.
He is the easiest person to read when under pressure.

Id like to get that easy read out of the way.

~Rick, The Leader

[Rick and Andrea]

Wouldn't a pressure vote lose it's effect if you say you're pressuring someone just to read them?

Why are you asking this question?

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Anyway town points for sakura firebringer yoshi.

Negate those town points for Sakura.
She just posted a newb post when she isn't a newb.

Also why yoshi?

~Rick, The Leader

[Rick and Andrea]

Do you not expect a supposed scum Gork to read your post, and react like town Gork?

I don't expect Gork is good at faking town for long if he is scum.
Pressure speeds up the likelihood he would slip if he is scum.

~Rick, The Leader

[Rick and Andrea]

There are four neighborhoods in the game: Nucleic Acids, Lipids, Carbohydrates, and Proteins. These neighborhood PTs will be open at all times.

Does anyone want to claim ahead of time the neighborhood they are in?
I am partly worried that revealing neighborhoods might be clues for roles, but I figure scum likely have an idea of who is in most of the neighborhoods already.

~Rick, the Leader

[Rick and Andrea]

SOO I just learned I'm in a neighborhood

bbl guys

pedit thanks Vifam I appreciate it

would also appreciate them using their usernames still because there's too many "X and Y" hydras

This seems like a town slip?
Or at least a fail spot check.

I am putting down Marquis as town for now.

~Rick (Firebringer), Leader

[Rick and Andrea]

Marquis is probably town but that's not why

You don't think Marquis is capable of pulling that "slip" as scum?

PEdit: @Firebringer

Not in the way he did it.

~Rick (Firebringer), Leader

[Rick and Andrea]

I am in the Carbohydrates neighborhoods.
Theres four people in there (not sure if theres someone else who hasn't posted) and everyone already did a check in post in the pregame session.

~Rick (Firebringer)

[Rick and Andrea]

Sakura I am mixed on you, your first comment gave me a sense that is something you would think as town. Knowing our history, not too unlikely. However your question about Glork pressure seems silly from you.

I kind of expect you as scum to focus on me so that I townread you too.

Want to talk?

~Rick (Fire), the Leader

[Rick and Andrea]

1) My pressure comment was a rehtoerical question i've always believed it's not good to say you're voting someone out of pressure coz that kinda screws up the reaction test, if you still that can achieve something go ahead, i'll read him in my own way.

2)Wait woot, where did that even come from xD

3)I don't mind but, didn't you just said scum me would focus on you so that you townread me, why are you trying to drag me into a conversation with you if this is supposedly the case?

Hmmmmm seems townie enough.

Put you in the "weak town" pile.

As for why I want to drag you into a conversation is that I still think I can read you by those interactions.
Is there anything wrong with us talking?

~Rick (Fire), Leader

[Rick and Andrea]

I think I am going to use my neighborhood topic as my official "notepad"
More in-depth thoughts that I don't feel is necessary to post here will be in there.

~Rick (Fire), Leader.

[Rick and Andrea]

I don't have a read on Spiffeh, but I think he is objectively the worst person to pressure in this game Day 1.
If he is town, he is going to go all over the place and theres high probability that we cause apathy on Day 1 for everyone.
If he is scum, well it wouldn't be a bad idea to get him lynched, but he has had a tendency to buss so keeping him around to push his partners isn't a terrible idea.

~Rick (Fire), Leader.

[Rick and Andrea]

Why are you town reading Rem and Ram?

~Rick (Fire), Leader

[Rick and Andrea]

Okay, Spiffeh is town.

~Rick (Fire), Leader

[Rick and Andrea]

Nothing alignment-wise, but I liked his vote on you.

~Rick (Fire), Leader

[Rick and Andrea]

Wait did Arthur not vote you?

[Rick and Andrea]

Yoshi is town because I think scum would play more consciously than the way he proceeded on first page, plus I liked his other posts after.

This was the post that I liked.

~Rick, Leader

[Rick and Andrea]

Yoshi is town because I think scum would play more consciously than the way he proceeded on first page, plus I liked his other posts after.

This was the post that I liked.

~Rick, Leader

What did you like about it?
-Ali (Rem)

Just that he was examining something in detail, like someone was switching votes a lot. Something that should be easy to spot, but sometimes easily forgotten.

I often think some people are easy to read just based on their voting activity so I liked him pointing something like that out.

~Rick (Fire)

[Rick and Andrea]

The person to pressure today is Glorkington.
He is the easiest person to read when under pressure.

Id like to get that easy read out of the way.

~Rick, The Leader

Really Fire?

Yes, Titus?

~Rick (Fire), Leader

[Rick and Andrea]

You think Gork is easier to sort than me by wagon? Even with our hydrae and years of experience playing together?

Doesn't sound right.

Umm.......I have been wrong about you in quite a few games recently.
Last games I sorted you right was Street Fighter and Pokemon.

I still have difficulty reading you.
I read people not by logic or reason all the time.

~Rick (Fire), Leader

[Rick and Andrea]

I still have difficulty reading you.
I read people not by logic or reason all the time.

Many games I still can't follow any of your logic.
Which makes reading you even harder for me sometimes.

~Rick (Fire), Leader

[Rick and Andrea]

i hope this reaction to your wagon on me helps you sort me firebringer.

Going to continue applying pressure Gorkington.
Would like your thoughts on people when you have time.

~Rick (Fire), Leader

[Rick and Andrea]

how was your day? to get off topic of this game.

~Rick (Fire), Leader

[Rick and Andrea]

We are not lynching Arthur.

~Rick (Fire), Leader

[Rick and Andrea]

Ser Arthur Dayne
MagnaofIllusion
Gorkington
Spiffeh
Rem and Ram (Alisae and Human Sequencer)
Sakura Hana
Rick and Andrea (Firebringer and MariaR)
Vifam
kuror0
Vecna
Voices of Truth (Titus and Thinkbig)
Majiffy
BigYoshiFan
beeboy
Steven Quartz

Creature

Marquis

[Rick and Andrea]

/in

Forest Fire was such a huge failure

[Rick and Andrea]

You are funny guy, Creature.

~Rick (Fire), Leader

[Rick and Andrea]

Have any other reads besides Arthur = Scum ?

~Rick (Fire)

[Rick and Andrea]

First 5 pages

I am the leader the of this town.

VOTE: Gorkington


~Rick, the Leader

Mental note that if FB is scum, Gork is his partner.

What? How did you get this

^This is probs town for wanting to run someone up just to get a read on them^
VOTE: Glorkington
-Rem
pedit: THis was meant to be under the fire hydra's post but whatever.

I actually disagreed with my partners logic why did you think it was town? I think if he wanted to pressure someone and there scum ny voting they just do a town reaction I expect all scum to know how to fake it

SOO I just learned I'm in a neighborhood

bbl guys

pedit thanks Vifam I appreciate it

would also appreciate them using their usernames still because there's too many "X and Y" hydras

You don't think Marquis is capable of pulling that "slip" as scum?

honestly, I'm not capable

my scumplay is practically non-existent based on how non-...there it is

I just don't talk as scum anymore because I'm too afraid of not being able to live up to my previous scumplay --> self-fulfilling prophecy

Genuine town posting ^
I'm a bit wary about SAD/Micky
~Andrea

[Rick and Andrea]

Haiii Maria!!!!

Hai my cute little yoshi <3
~Andrea

[Rick and Andrea]

My sleeping schedule is really really horrible right now.

Reads:
Town: Marquis, Yoshi, Sakura
Weak Town: SAD, Spiffeh, Vifam
Null: Everyone else.

Have no scum reads yet. Unfortunate.

~Rick (Fire), Leader

[Rick and Andrea]

VOTE: Beeboy

~Rick (Fire), Leader

[Rick and Andrea]

I know what I am doing Majiffy.
How dare you accuse me of anything but.

Beeboy is too quiet and I want to hear more from him.
Glorkington push hasn't led me anywhere. Still on null from him.

~Rick (Fire), Leader

[Rick and Andrea]

Oh and my hero Gork is also town.

Why is that?

-Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

is that all i get fire? ):

Unfortunately, your still in your early game (I don't care about this game) phase. I don't really want to break you out of that because you will hate the game as Town. So I have to leave you as null.
Sorry compadre

Towns {R&A, Yoshi, Vifam, SAD, Spiffeh}

Scum Butts {Titusdra, Rem and Ram}


Is this enough content guys?

Nope not enough, you have more thoughts and I'd like to dig at them.

Also how you been Beeboy?

-Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Alisae why do you think Sakura is scum?

-Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Inconceivable

You keep using that word....

I don't think it means what you think it does.

[Rick and Andrea]

This is offtopic but like arrogant mafia player is such a weird gimmick to have like is it really that fun to pretend you're a genius on a roleplaying game

Part of being charismatic is arrogance.
So....yeah.

-Rick (Fire)

[Rick and Andrea]

idk man I got hella charisma I wouldn't consider myself arrogant

The line is often blurry.
Most people just associate not being able to back up their claims with sheer arrogance, but if you can back it up it's not arrogance is it?

[Rick and Andrea]

Spiffy's probably town

Agreed

[Rick and Andrea]

Hey while we're stating the obvious, we're also all playing mafia, pretty sure

Jiffy I was reading your chart on how to win every game.
I am confused, do I sheep Thor or you?

[Rick and Andrea]

Ok great now all of you vote for SAD

You being Town doesn't equal you being right my friend.

-Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

VOTE: Rem and Ram
Willing to see where this goes.

-Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

I am just watching adventure time, and slowly going insane a
I really need to do more meat world activities...

-Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Man I wish Sakura or Arthur was in our neighborhood.
-Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

VOTE: Rem and Ram
Willing to see where this goes.

-Rick

This vote is absolutely disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself.
-Ali

I don't disagree with you on it being weak vote, but I am definitely not ashamed.
Why should I be ashamed?

-Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

I don't disagree with you on it being weak vote,

I'm more concerned with why you placed it if you knew it was weak.
And you should be ashamed because I geniunely don't believe by placing that vote you are interested in sorting me tbh.
-Ali

Your not wrong, I am semi just interested in progression right now and your null.
I kind of want to know why you are flailing at the pressure being put on you.

-Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Hmmmmm......
VOTE: Creature

Weak town read on Ram.
Jiffy you said you were fine with this.

[Rick and Andrea]

I kind of want to know why you are flailing at the pressure being put on you.

I kinda want to know why you didn't expect me to flail. Because this sounds like you didn't expect me to flail.
Like, I always flail when I'm under pressure like this.
-Ali

The more I thought about it the more my question on you flailing didn't make sense.

-Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

SAD's read on me continues to be bullshit

What am I supposed to have "followed up" on?

The reasons I asked those questions should be abundantly clear, but you ignore that and do anything to paint me in a scummy light

SAD town reads are no longer acceptable

Yet hes obv town.

uhhh I don't think so Infact he's a scum lean for me care to say what makes him obv town in little bullet proof points for mee
~Andrea

[Rick and Andrea]

I think I pref the zombies to that idea...
~Andrea

[Rick and Andrea]

Titus I am activating my one free town read card that you gave me so that you will town read me for this game.
Redeeming it now.

-Rick (Fire), Leader

[Rick and Andrea]

Actually I am not so sure your town.
Can I have that card back? I may need it for next game you tunnel me.

-Rick (Fire)

[Rick and Andrea]

Do you think SAD/RR are distancing from Steven Quartz? Yume hasn't said hi yet.

They did a hi post.
They said little in PT.

Mostly just "don't talk to me"

No idea how anyone has a read on them.

-Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Ser Arthur Dayne + Rem and Ram + Rick and Andrea + Steven Quartz scumteam?

You know how hard I would buss Steven quartz if this were true?

-Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Ser Arthur Dayne + Rem and Ram + Rick and Andrea + Steven Quartz scumteam?

Why are you voting Majiffy if you feel this to be true?

Not so sure on R and A in there.

@Fire, Don't you think Yume would say hi to me?

Is them saying hi supposed to be alignment indicative?

-Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Creatue is very likely scum and you caught onto a few things Titus so you can have free town points.

-Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Creature is town.

Were do you want to fight?

-Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Creature its Ram and Rem
You are not paying attention so hard it's a skill

-Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Congrats btw Spiffeh on getting paragon.
Don't let that go to your ego if you can.

-Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

I can already feel you screenshotting the banner in preparation to post it in order to win arguments.

[Rick and Andrea]

I mean if he keeps making bad calls like MOI is being scummy and Creature is town. Meh.
I still have town read on him.

-Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Damn the Rem Ram wagon feels so garbage.

Kind of would like more of why you said this SAD.

[Rick and Andrea]

Tier list

Sakura, Yoshi, Creature
Gork, RemRam, RickAndrea, Vifam, Vecna, Marquis
MoI, Majiffy, kuro, beeboy
Spiffeh, Steven
Voices

SAD why you reading Gork and Vecna as leaning town?

[Rick and Andrea]

Damn the Rem Ram wagon feels so garbage.

Kind of would like more of why you said this SAD.

B/c counter wagon to Titus scum and it grew much faster and larger than Titus wagon even though I got the vibe more people scumread Titus in the beginning.

Counter wagon to Titus scum? What?

Didn't you do a rant in DEFCON on how counter doesn't mean anything?
Or am I imagining stuff?

-Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Are we going to spend the rest of the day looking for SAD's/RR's/R&A's scum partner?

Okay SAD.

You are town reading someone claIming they have three scum dead to rights AT THIS STAGE

[Rick and Andrea]

Are we going to spend the rest of the day looking for SAD's/RR's/R&A's scum partner?

Okay SAD.

You are town reading someone claIming they have three scum dead to rights AT THIS STAGE

Yeah but it's creature if he was scum he would have like 0 reads right now.

Reads creature is town Creature.

I don't believe that is remotely true.....
Proof?

-Rick (Fire)

[Rick and Andrea]

<------------

Vote SAD

Hey, I had gut from the early posting but nothing I could hang my hat on.

Then, they began posting off in the hood when I suggested wagoning SAD. They said essentially "don't bother, they'll get townread". Yet, they didn't appear to be SRing SAD.

We pressured more on that by asking who we should shoot if we had a Desperado. They said someone in the hood, so Vifam. (Around 4 pm yesterday) They never justified this. They had issues with BYF too, so a PoE to

In 416 through their next chain in public, they complain about being run up for playful and deflect hard core. They pushed one scum in the hood since the start (and I let my hydra partner run with that), and have been attacking the hood almost exclusively.

No idea what you are even talking about.

-Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Okay, tomorrow I'll fake a guilty on Rick and Andrea.

I don't believe that is remotely true.....
Proof?

-Rick (Fire)

Really Firebringer...

Pretend I am a idiot.
I'd go hunt for it myself but you have the burden of proof.

I am not going to claim I am a god at reading Creature.

-Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Okay SAD.
Should I at all be worried your not trying to convince me of Titus scum then?
Or that your vote hasn't changed in more than ten pages
Or that your vote has only moved once.

I went back to look at DEFCOn and you are definitely missing some bite.
What's up?

-Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

The strikes mean he townreads then

[Rick and Andrea]

Or that your vote hasn't changed in more than ten pages

Firebringer imma let you in on a little secret

Spoiler: For firebringer's eyes alone

I'm not moving my vote off of Titus today

Okay, I can understand that.
I am in no way helping, but I can understand.

Why aren't you trying to get more people to join though?

-Rick (fire)

[Rick and Andrea]

There's several things missing from SAD DEFCON than SAD here, but that doesn't make him scum.
I am more concerned that he seems bent on more posturing than pushing, but posturing is a go to for him regardless of alignment I think.

-Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

There's several things missing from SAD DEFCON than SAD here, but that doesn't make him scum.
I am more concerned that he seems bent on more posturing than pushing, but posturing is a go to for him regardless of alignment I think.

-Rick

What are the differences and why are they NAI to you?

There feels like less meat here than there.
He hasn't done some of his classic posts yet such as mentioning traps.
He has same confidence but charisma wise it feels less.

Overall it's not a fair comparison for me to make for few reasons too:
1) I was scum so my mindset in game wasn't analyzing him beyond accessing his threat level
2) that game had a very different feel than this one

-Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Yeah Spiffeh, I am not lynching SAD today unless Maria strongarms me.
Still want Creature.

-Rick (Fire)

[Rick and Andrea]

some of the rhetoric in this game is getting really boring btw.

you can keep saying "y nobody vote person" "omg wagon not happening i am sad" and "this person is scummzz post bad scum wowow"
but its not going to change anything and is padding the content of the game.

i get im a total hypocrite because im a jokey fuck who posts too much.
but lets not drive this game's pagecount to 100 on absolutely nothing of value.

i dont have the same kind of time that i used to and if i get apathetic im going to be useless. please dont get me there.

Fine.
You are town.

Just sheep someone you townread so you don't get apathetic.

-Rick (Fire), leader

[Rick and Andrea]

@MoI: I'm not sure about the neighborhood thing they are based on Nucleic Acids, Lipids, Carbohydrates, and Proteins right? Back in Tarot there were also neighborhoods based off elements (Wind, Water, etc) and Cabd mentioned that there could be scum abilities that were dependant on their target's element (granted there was, like one, and a couple of town PRs had that restriction too), and i rather err on the side of caution regarding outing much info because after the neighborhood's are outed all it takes is a scum shot to figure out what type is everyone there.
Why do you think it's a good idea to out that information?

Scum already know who is in every neighborhood.

One neighborhood was completely outed I believe.
There is no benefit to hiding the information.

[Rick and Andrea]

I would think if there was something game breaking info to give scum in neighborhood there wouldn't be knowledge of everyone being in one to begin with. That's from a pure setup making approach.

-Rick (Fire)

[Rick and Andrea]

Scum already know who is in every neighborhood.

Yeah im kinda regreting posting in my hood already.

Do you think they are all scum?

-Rick (Fire)

[Rick and Andrea]

Sakura i feel we are going down this whole "neighborhood out is scum motivated" argument that I had with MathBlade in Yuri mafia.
This won't be productive so I am going to drop it.

-Rick (Fire)

[Rick and Andrea]

Tarot was designed by different mod.
This was designed by antihero.

I learned setup design from antihero.
It's fine.

-Rick (Fire)

[Rick and Andrea]

Also i will refrain from posting in the hood during the day for the most part, unless i have strong reasons to townread everyone there.

Just use it as notepad.
As long as there is one person you townread in there it can't hurt.
Obviously excluding any role related stuff.

-Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

How many people would support a vecna wagon right now?

-Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Yeah Spiffeh, I am not lynching SAD today unless Maria strongarms me.
Still want Creature.

-Rick (Fire)

I was in complete agreement with you like 10 posts ago and then you pull this 180 out of nowhere

What changed?

Creature is more scummy to me and I want to give SAD more of a chance to show me colors.

[Rick and Andrea]

I would prefer a SAD desperado personally since he seems intent on fos you Titus.
As well as one of two of you confirm seems way better than RR confirmed.

-Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

@MOI yes to your question

[Rick and Andrea]

I would prefer a SAD desperado personally since he seems intent on fos you Titus.
As well as one of two of you confirm seems way better than RR confirmed.

-Rick

Hmmph, I generally don't take the chance if wrong that I townfirm someone who only says something wrong. Better to just prove it.

Do you think I am dead or R and R?

I am leaning on you being dead.
I have weak townread on them

-Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

beeboy is a good candidate for scum

PEdit: @Gorkington do you have any scum reads currently?

Cause my posts are too cutesy or w/e you said?

I think he means your not trying.
At least that's why I would think your scum right now.

-Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Oh! You are asking me
Well usually if the "too scummy to be scum" gambit is being played, it's coming from scum cause town has no reason to play that gambit
-Ali

You must have learned this from landmark.


-Rick (Fire)

[Rick and Andrea]

Also spyro

[Rick and Andrea]

Thoughts on beeboy, Sakura?

[Rick and Andrea]

VOTE: Vecna

-Rick (Fire)

[Rick and Andrea]

its pretty obviously fake.

[Rick and Andrea]

I was hoping it was real but really mod meta makes me think no
Also antihero is on

[Rick and Andrea]

Also has anyone picked up new site meta is to fake desperado instead of faking a day vig?
Kind of wondering why that is.

-Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Creature sring our slot is NAI there's not a single game where he's tr me Not. One. I'm just trying to wonder if it's grudge or not at points like this
Why does anyone tr SAD since Vecna won't say anything I don't really get the voice of truth sr
~Andrea

[Rick and Andrea]

Remember when I had a sr on SAD within 5 posts of the last game we played and I was right? Yeah....idk who were voting but if Rick's got a problem with it he can poke me

VOTE: SAD
~Andrea

[Rick and Andrea]

Maria you're sadly wrong this time.

Do you think I'm town wrong or scum trying to jump on your wagon wrong?
~Andrea

[Rick and Andrea]

Maria you're sadly wrong this time.

Do you think I'm town wrong or scum trying to jump on your wagon wrong?
~Andrea

I think the way you have not been interacting with me as much is sus and I don't like it. I also do not like Firebringer's back and forth on me, it's something he did a lot in DEFCON where he was super wishy-wash reads and here it feels like he's trying to put me in a convenient position where he can pull a townread or scumread card on me which ever best fits his interest.

I don't think I'm really interacted with anyone unless someone took the step forward to try and talk to me first but besides that do you think I would try to avoid you as scum or I guess talk to you more as town? I don't really see how the lack of convo we have would be AI to you
~Andrea

[Rick and Andrea]

(Dw Fire sucks we can agree on that)
~Andrea

[Rick and Andrea]

Gork, weren't you saying you don't want much filler in the game right now? Don't see why you posted that.

Anyways, right now I am not 100% against SAD lynch, but I am worried about Beeboy and Creature atm, because I feel Beeboy reads and thoughts are just empty space. Creature with his reads just being super bad.

I had an argument with Maria earlier about why she scumread SAD, and I decided to let her keep pushing that.

I prefer to lead hydra, obviously but she knows SAD much better than me.


~Rick (Firebringer), Maria Subordinate for today.

[Rick and Andrea]

Titus can you explain your RR scum read/point to me where you did

I have faith that you will actually follow through on this request unlike everyone else I've asked

Hoping you'll obv-town it up this game so you can be part of the buddy circle.

This is a terrible post.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

You should know by now that Creature's reads being bad/making no sense doesn't make him scum. As far as I know he lurks super hard as scum and has trouble making his posts sound natural. As annoying as it is, I feel that his many posts proclaiming that the same three people are scum as well as posts like "why aren't scum lynched yet" are more likely to come from town!Creature than scum!Creature.

Wasn't it you who said something similar earlier?

I did say that about him lurking more is scum tell, but I don't think it will hold true forever and while Glork and me talked about this in PT about that he will eventually weaken out over long game if he is scum, I think lynching him later phases becomes more difficult because players will not want to lynch him.

I don't agree with you on comments that "why arent scum lynched yet" is townie. I should do a proper analysis of his meta though, because I have a horrible track record with him, when I finish that, ill get back to you on if meta is any good for a real read either way.

The only townie thing I saw in Creatures ISO was his comment that "This isn't how Firebringer plays" which I agreed with, but I think that is something that could be pointed out by anyone.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Again gonna say Firebringer doesn't play like this as town.

Would like Titus' input on this. Can you compare it to your bastard hydra experiences with FB titus? I knew I ended up sr'ing your slot that game.

I think Fire's town but not 100% sold.

I am playing like a very specific game Titus, one you ONLY know about.
If you can name it, maybe you will be sold.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

I'm not sure if someone made a case on me rathen than just saying I look scummy.

Creature, I would actually love to talk to you right now.
First off, can you explain why you are so sure you have 3 scum so fast in this game already? I don't feel this is a common thing for you to do.

I would also like you to talk about those reads and how they work together since you are confident that they are together.

Thanks.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

^
See FB this is how you pressure people.
Not saying "Oh im just building pressure to read him"

I don't know why this irked me.
Maybe I just read it wrong, and think your being way over condescending, but really.

I know how to play.

Thank you for your input though.

~Rick, not his first game of mafia.

[Rick and Andrea]

First off, can you explain why you are so sure you have 3 scum so fast in this game already?

If I just say "oh these are my top 3 scumreads, but they aren't so strong", it will give no pressure on scum at all.

So you wanted people to pay attention to them more or you wanted people to follow you.

Any reasons on any of them independently, besides read on me since you semi-explained it.

~Rick, (Firebringer)

[Rick and Andrea]

Voice of Truth wagon is really really bad right now.
I am going to sort Titus hydra with a night action. This wagon should dissipate.

~Rick (Firebringer)

[Rick and Andrea]

And I need to talk to Maria, because I don't agree with our vote on SAD still.
Leaving it still.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Titus is town.
I feel pretty confident in this read at this point.

I may talk about it later, but I think she did a Town tell of hers.
Ill meta dive her later to see if I can confirm my suspicions, but I think she is town.

~Rick (Firebringer)

[Rick and Andrea]

VOTE: Sakura

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

This Voice wagon is pure shit.
Sakura voting it has just made me drop my townread of her.

Like, I know she isn't trying very hard, but now I think its detracting from helping the game.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Voice of Truth wagon is really really bad right now.
I am going to sort Titus hydra with a night action. This wagon should dissipate.

~Rick (Firebringer)

Sakura obviously didn't read this either.

[Rick and Andrea]

Like Titus feels very much like street fighter mafia titus, and you'd be the last person i think wouldnt not see it instead not only you give her a strong townread, but you give a chainsaw defense. LOL.

She does alot of similar stuff between games.
But no, this isn't like Street Fighter.

Street Fighter she made up meta reads on players.
Name once she has done that this game.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

I am very angry at this game.
I am very angry at sakura.

I promised myself before game I wouldn't get mad.
Now I am mad at myself.

V/LA till the 9th

~Rick (Firebringer)

[Rick and Andrea]

Street Fighter she made up meta reads on players.

Where did she even did that in street fighter.
She just kept pushing Ranger on a bus.

SHE PUSHED ME ALL GAME FOR A META READ!

YOU QUOTE FUCKING STREET FIGHTER AT ME AND YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT SHE DID

[Rick and Andrea]

Like god fucking damn.
I am not going to pretend Titus is anywhere near conftown.
I said I would get her sorted one way or another.

You ignore it and vote her.

That is what irks me.

~Rick (Firebringer)

[Rick and Andrea]

Sakura isn't tied to Creature, Titus.
If one is scum I don't think the other is.

You might need space from this game because you are just looking at people pushing you which is affecting your judgement.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

"Everybody voting me is scum, all scum are on me"

You basically did this early game.
SAD basically did this in this game.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Well, I am getting space because of RL anyway.

My judgment is fine tyvm. I wouldn't be wagoned if I was terribly wrong but protected instead, as I have eliminated my anti-town behaviors. I cannot force you to see that through.

I am sorry if I am being a dick.

I am very irritable at the moment because of my own issues. Me seeing Sakura ignore my post about sorting you didn't help me, but I think sometimes I am just a ticking time bomb for stupid anger.

VOTE: Creature

Sakura is likely town.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Hmm?

No p sure if you read my analysis post you'll see I distinguished the scummy voters on me from the townish ones.

I meant your very early reaction to votes on you. Once you did that analysis, I felt better on you.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

I don't think Creature has been sorting this game at all, so I guess I should analyze his case on Sakura.
All I saw him do was spout out reads.

I think he could be improving his scum game enough to be active and post more.
Most of his posts aren't anything but quiping to whats going on, or making a generalized statement, none of which are trying to engage players or actual scum hunt.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

So then describe Creature town meta, Firebringer.

Its honestly not much different than here.
The only thing I don't see is him talking to me when I ask him direct questions.

Its just general comments.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

and my opinion on creature is that i dislike his playstyle.

actually i take this back.
i actually liked him admitting that he exaggerated reads on purpose for reactions.
that felt kind of townish.

That could have been townie, if you know, HE EXPRESSED SOMETHING HE FOUND AFTER THE FACT.

Which he didn't.
He just said that was what he did.

So what did he get? Who knows.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

I guess I am wrong about everything and I know nothing.

Thanks guys.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Dislike as in scumz, btw
Actually a lot of my problems could just be Fire's shitty day, my thoughts with u friend feel gudz
-HS

Go fuck yourself and don't talk to me in this game again.

[Rick and Andrea]

.............................................
Can we lynch me?

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

are we voting sad still please no I take it back
UNVOTE:
~Andrea

[Rick and Andrea]

Rick Tr's titus I assume so were gonna have a long chat when he gets up
~Andrea

[Rick and Andrea]

VOTE: Vecna
~Andrea

[Rick and Andrea]

Okay, now that I am not as much of a moody asshole anymore I can get to this game more level headed (I was sleep deprived and starving).

Sakura, my town read on you has weakened over this game so far.
When I was having my own tantrum I posted in neighborhood why I think you could be scum.

Most of that had to deal with you not talking to me about stuff and nitpicking parts to focus on.
Which I thought was scum motivated.

So I have a few questions for you:
1) How is Titus like Street Fighter here? (You said she was pushing Ranger in that game, but she didn't really do that as far as I remember, she vote parked me all game)
2) Why are you ignoring my point about sorting her for a confirm with a night action?

[Rick and Andrea]

Voices of Truth - 4 (Marquis, Ser Arthur Dayne, Creature, Sakura Hana)

This wagon shouldn't be a thing unless you think I am scum with Voices.
Anyone who thinks we are scum together is fine to push this, but so far I have no idea why Arthur is still on this or why Sakura is still on this.

Marquis is reaching not caring about the game.
Creature is creature so he won't explain it.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Alright fine,

how about a beeboy lynch? Do you townread him?

VOTE: Beeboy

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

I don't think if Beeboy was town, he would approach this game the way he has been doing.
His reads definitely feel surface level detailed

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

None of those are votes on Ranger, you said she bussed. She just distanced her partner.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Do i have to actually go re-read this game? I do not like that game and don't even like being reminded of this game.

Even if you are right that Titus bussed Ranger or w/e you are saying. How does that make her scum here?
~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Like Titus feels very much like street fighter mafia titus, and you'd be the last person i think wouldnt not see it instead not only you give her a strong townread, but you give a chainsaw defense. LOL.

This is your original statement.

Titus feels like Street Fighter mafia, Firebrigner you should know this.
I tell you, no she doesn't feel like Street Fighter at all. How do you think this is like Street Fighter.

You say, well she bussed ranger (when I said she pushed me all game).

This still doeesn't explain what feels similar.

Do you think she is bussing here?

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

The way she's stubbornly pushing SAD.

ummmm....how many games have you played with Titus?

She is stubborn in every game of hers.
That isn't alignment indicative.

The alignment indicative is how she interacts with people.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

wth was with that question.

The question is because I literally have no idea whats going on in your head and I am trying to make sense of it.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

The reason I think Titus is town is she didn't default read me like she tends to do as Scum. The way I talk to her she seems to not like shifting reads when she is scum more. So when I first talked to her this game she approached me as null. Her reads feel like she is thinking about the game even if its in her own way, when she is scum she makes more of a single narrative thats built on something that doesn't mean anything.

In other words I think she is making reads this game and not just throwing in fluff and calling it a read.

If you think this is wrong, ill gladly talk it out with you.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

For example on where she just makes up nonsense and calls it a read.
In Street Figher, she said I was lying about my alt, therefore I was scum. Literally meant nothing but she tried to make it out to be something.

In Pokemon game that just recently ended, she tried to argue Not_Mafia was scum because he was using his role powers in a way to buy me. Taking something pro town and turned it into something scum and that was her entire case.

If you feel she is building a case out of nothing id like to hear why, I think she hasn't done so.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

The way I talk to her she seems to not like shifting reads when she is scum more.

Uhh hasnt she stayed on SAD almost the entire game?

The other things you mention seem to be more with what she's doing here i guess.

Thats the stubborn part you are just focusing in on.
Her reads are changing this game.

If you disagree id like to hear where you think I am wrong.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Just going with the flow, jiffy.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

I agree with you HS
Whats your thoguhts on Beeboy?

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Their point is that its basically the same posts he is making here. The only difference is the quantity of posts.

He is posting more. They are not posts in which he is trying to sort people.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

I would like more votes on beeboy.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Creature, could you give me two-three sentences on your top 4 reads. Doesn't have to be scumreads, just reads in general. Just your thoughts on them.

Thanks.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Creature, could you give me two-three sentences on your top 4 reads. Doesn't have to be scumreads, just reads in general. Just your thoughts on them.

Thanks.

~Rick

By this I mean two-three sentences on each of those reads.
Would go a long way.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Prod dodge I'ma have a talk with fire and then make a post
Sad Micky and Yoshi are my town block atm
~Andrea

[Rick and Andrea]

Prod dodge I'ma have a talk with fire and then make a post
Sad Micky and Yoshi are my town block atm
~Andrea

Micky?

Spiffeh
~Andrea

[Rick and Andrea]

I can't read my neighborhood for shit. How about we not do the "all town neighborhood thing and focus on better matters eh? Yeah I think so good idea Andrea
~Andrea

[Rick and Andrea]

All i wanted was a freaking discussion on the merits you cockmongrring baboon, jesus christ

3/10
~Andrea

[Rick and Andrea]

I can't read my neighborhood for shit. How about we not do the "all town neighborhood thing and focus on better matters eh? Yeah I think so good idea Andrea
~Andrea

My hydra partner smells like fish.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

*Sees a giant wall post*
Me: Can I just say I read that and call the post towny?
*Sees more wall posts by people I sr*
Dam it ;~:
~Andrea

[Rick and Andrea]

spiff was in mafiaception.
hes going to back me up here.

marquis was in mafiaception.
hes going to back me up here.

youre done.

Spiffeh actually is paragon and TRs me.

Go ahead. You seem to want to throw weight around rather than respond to your SRs being all popular sheeps. Then the OMGUS.

Please don't appeal to an authority like this Titus.
You wouldn't accept this if someone said this to you.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Oh lord it's starting again
~Andrea

[Rick and Andrea]

titus would not call me scum if she was town here.
trust me.

i'll make a motivational picture for you to sheep me.

Umm not when she is pushed but okay.....
Titus did same thing to me in many other games when I considered myself Uber conf town.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

VOTE: Magna

Me and Rick agree on this there's not a lot of reads we disagree on tbh the only one we do disagree on is Voices
Pedit: Oh go on rick post away
Pedit2: My turn yet...nope
Pedit3: FFS
Pedit4: I fucking hate you all
~Andrea

[Rick and Andrea]

if marquis and spiff come in here and agree with me about titus i reserve the right to be the most offensively awful person in trying to get titus lynched.

That's my job but normal
~Andrea

[Rick and Andrea]

So after FB convinces me titus is town Gork starts a crusade against Titus.
I wish someone would teach me how to read Titus already...

Hydra with her and ask her the secrets of her scum game.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Yeah I am still pretty sure Titus is town.
But I am tired of defending her.

If you all want to lynch her go ahead.
I am just going to say told you so if she flips town.

I am about that apathetic to this game.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Well then...

If she ends up being scum and you're town im never trusting your meta assesments again.

That is also fair.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

fact ive gone pretty out of my way to not be a piece of shit to firebringer through all of this

You don't need to do this btw.
I think I know why you are doing this and really think you should just play game and say what you feel and think.

And no one has broken me, I have been having real life issues that has seeped into this game. I am annoyed people don't tell me why i am wrong when I go out of my to explain my thoughts and it just boils down to "your wrong fire"

But anyway there's a pattern in games where I am ignored more day one and people listen to me more following days so I am just writing this day off as "day one sucks move on"

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

i think we should lynch beeboy

I could get behind this too.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

VOTE: Beeboy

Maria told me to tell you all that this is the right lynch.
Maria approved.

Has all the stuff you want in a lynch.
For instance, it has scum.

Join it now.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Arthur, be my town champion this game.
Or tell me why I am wrong on Beeboy.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Creature sr's my top tr? Okay he can die even more then I wanted him dead before
~Andrea

[Rick and Andrea]

Creature/Moi/Bee/???
~Andrea

[Rick and Andrea]

mastina replaces kuror0

OMG I AM SO EXCITED ABOUT THIS

BEST ANNOUNCEMENT THIS GAME EVER HAD.

if i keep telling myself this i wonder if i will believe it.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

I am just going to pretend to be happy for the rest of this game.
And hope it sticks.

If I lie to myself enough, I am sure I will believe it eventually.
Just like how I lie to myself about not being an idiot.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Mastina to catch you up here:

Town List: Arthur, Sakura Hana, Vifam, Gorkington, Marquis, Yoshi
Very Likely Town: Voices of Truth, Spiffeh, Rem and Ram, Majiffy
Scum/Unsorted: You, Creature, Vecna, MagnaofIllusion, Ankamius,

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

@Vifam SAD was in town list.
@Sakura Beeboy is in my scum list, I am surprised I forgot him.
@RR You smell

@Gork This is the chosen wagon by the mafia deities.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

I am also done with this day.
Gorkington please help me get a lynch now and whatever wagon you want I will help push that tomorrow.

78 pages Day 1 is too damn long.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

And?

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

@Sakura Beeboy is in my scum list, I am surprised I forgot him.
~Rick

I feel pretty shitty because I just replaced into this game, a game Firebringer was playing presumably just fine without me being in it, and my first instinct is in fact a scumread.

Thats fine.
Just know if you put me as a scumread I am also putting you as a scumread.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Gotta love when people replace out but also subtly throw shade on the people actually plying and trying to put in work.

At least try to be humble when replacing out...

I mean he could have just said "I don't have time for this, I will miss some of you sorry I gotta go"
But I think he wouldn't say what he did say as scum?

His apathy is more Town.

Hate to use replace out as town but it does make me think his earlier apathy wasn't fake at all.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

I kind of think mastina is town but given the way she is reading this I am calling her scum for posterity.
Meh.

I am bringing back troll firebringer.
It's been too boring and when I am serious all the time I just don't enjoy game.
Sorry for those who like when I am serious.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

fuk u firebringer be serious

Over my troll body.

[Rick and Andrea]

Can I interest you in a beeboy lynch?

[Rick and Andrea]

No.

Not without a lot of cake.

I can't offer that what if I told you that the secret to life is with a beeboy lynch?

[Rick and Andrea]

Ank can I interest you in a Creature lynch?
-Ali

Buddy I am thinking ur copying me.

[Rick and Andrea]

No.

Not without a lot of cake.

I can't offer that what if I told you that the secret to life is with a beeboy lynch?

Your lynch is shit, and I request that people do not subscribe to this news letter.
-Ali

Are you trying to pick a fight?

[Rick and Andrea]

Because if you are i will declare you winner.
I don't have energy for it.

[Rick and Andrea]

Oh noes, I'm copying you AND denying you your beeboy lynch.
Yeah I'm picking a fight cause scum!Creature is getting rekt today.
-Ali

Alisae I have been suffering lately.
I don't care what your alignment is.

Stop being a complete jackass.

[Rick and Andrea]

Ank I decided that your avatar is just walking and not dancing.

[Rick and Andrea]

So how's life guys?

[Rick and Andrea]

Why does anyone tr Ram/rem I don't see it
Also I do not understand any of masts post but that's normal
~Andrea

[Rick and Andrea]

Hey nahdia friend, I townread you.
Follow me on a beeboy lynch pls.

If you need to know why he is scum, his reads feel too surface level.
You can see it anytime he tries to explain. I also think he is trying too hard to be consistent with the reads and they aren't developing.

Also I hope you feel better.
Drink some hot water

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Also I think Beeboy sudden jump in this game as soon as Nahdia joins the game is scummy as shit too.

That means he has been following the game, but hasn't been posting.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

The timing of your vote was the literal end of the last game we played together and me feeling like shit about that game do you really think I am lying about that making me more apathetic?

pedit: @sakura

Why are you apathetic this game Beeboy?

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Beeboy is always an easy mislynch though (which is the reason im second guessing myself atm whether its AI in its current iteration).

Can you elaborate on some pionts where town & scum beeboy differ (if you have recent'ish meta on the slot)?

Town beeboy is all over the place.
In terms of reads and votes.

Like I have modded games with him, the biggest thing for me seeing when beeboy is town or not is how many times does his vote change.

He could change his votes 3-5 times every VC.

This game hasn't changed more than once.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

I think it would be best if I don't get into it.
Also I think it would be best if I leave this slot to someone who will actually play this game.

Well if you aren't having fun man, replace out.
But if you stay I am going to keep questioning you, especially about your "apathy".

Scum like to pretend they are just apathetic to the game so I don't want you using that if you are scum to get away with stuff.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

@mod replace me out

sorry for the inconvenience everyone.

Cya man, hope your doing alright if you are honestly just not having any fun.

Sorry if I am being a bit of a dick. Trying to work on that.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Hey gin, nice to have you in the game.
I am afraid you very very likely joined a scum slot and I don't see you redeeming it.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

VOTE: mastina

are you hitting on me?

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

Guys, I feel like pointing out that beeboy replaces out more as scum than he does as town.
Didn't want to bring this up because I didn't think it was needed to further my point at all, but yeah.

I am sorry Gin, i am in tunnel mode, your not town at all.
And you are going to get townread because you know how to play scum.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

I dont think i have a huge problem with tunneling, and I do hate it when i am doing it, but I think when I am doing it I have caught scum and when no one has given me decent reasons to rethink my read I know I am right and just people are ignoring it for some reason.

so I will be doing something like afjaldfjadslfajdslgha
for rest of game day as Gin avoids lynch.

~Rick

[Rick and Andrea]

@Nahdia that gif isn't really helping.


~Rick