Mini Normal 1888 - TwoFace Mafia - Game Over

[Eddie Cane]

I can't be meta'd so it's pointless

[TwoFace]

Vote count 1.11

momo - Barleycorn, Firescreamer, gerryoat, DogWatch (L-3)

Dogwatch - Shadow_step, mozamis, Selynee (L-4)
FrankJaeger - Eddie Cane, momo, Transcend (L-4)
Keyser Soze - Aronagrundy (L-6)



Not Voting: Keyser Söze, FrankJaeger

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2017-03-06 16:51:40)

Mod Note - Barleycorn is v/la until 3/5/2017

[mozamis]

gonna unvote dog. Keep going back and forth on her, but i think she is town. If only because SHE keeps going back and forth, but in quite an open, "explanatory" way.

[mozamis]

My name is MOMOMAN.

Did lol at this.
I mean, your nam eis Momo lol
doesnt exactly inspire confidence lol

[mozamis]

I am MOMOMAN on EM.

ah lol ok understood.

it was still funny, seeing your name "momo" right next to seeing you say MY NAME IS MONOMAN
LOL

[gerryoat]

I tr gerry

Player list
momo (Pants98) SCUM
DogWatch TOWN
Transcend THE BEST THERE EVER WAS
mozamis TOWN
FireScreamer SCUM
aronagrundy TOWN
FrankJaeger SCUM
Selynee (NorskaBlue) VI
gerryoat LEAN TOWN
Eddie Cane TOWN
Barleycorn HARD TOWN
Shadow_step LEAN TOWN BUT U NEED TO DO MORE
Keyser Söze no idea but leaning town

FIRE OR GERRYOAT ONE OR TWO OF THEM ARE MAFIA

FRANK FIRE GERRY KEYSER <------------------ none of those reach endgame

[mozamis]

VOTE: Frank

Lets lynch Frank, have a good feeling about this.

Investigate me tonight, I will come out town.

See, this looks town to me. He's right out in the open. Its almost kinda naive.
Selynee looks a bit waffly. Pos. scum.

[mozamis]

VOTE FIREWATER

Havent seen anything town form him all game.
Lot of emoty bullshit.

[DogWatch]

VOTE FIREWATER

Havent seen anything town form him all game.
Lot of emoty bullshit.

why fire over frank? I know you were sus on both of them, just wondering

[mozamis]

Reads most town at top, descending to most scum.
Town:


The More You Ignore Moz, The Closer He Gets.
Barley
keyser
Dog

Neutral:
Aaron
Gerry
Traanscend
Shadow

Pos scum:
Frank
Eddie
Scum:
Fire.

[mozamis]

why fire over frank? I know you were sus on both of them, just wondering

its very close.
But frank could just be lurker/doesnt care (His vote on me was bad - but was it scum bad?)
Whereas Fire looks a lot more "blendy" and empty

[DogWatch]

why fire over frank? I know you were sus on both of them, just wondering

its very close.
But frank could just be lurker/doesnt care (His vote on me was bad - but was it scum bad?)
Whereas Fire looks a lot more "blendy" and empty

ok i just figured since they were both in your scumpile, you'd vote the one with a wagon

[mozamis]

To be clear though, if in doubt, i would say frank is scum.

[Selynee]

Better than VI, I guess.
I agree with momo, but I've got the same impression from Frank- displaying a lot of confidence. To a lesser degree, gerryoat, as I have a feeling this is his playstyle.

[mozamis]

ok i just figured since they were both in your scumpile, you'd vote the one with a wagon

I think you should always vote your strongest scum read, unless the deadline is close/its clear they are never gonna get lynched this day phase.

[mozamis]

Shit, forgot about Sleynee.
Pos scum.

[momo]

what about me moz

[Selynee]

This is interesting- why Eddie?

[mozamis]

what about me moz

prob town

[Keyser Söze]

[Before mozamis ISO, going to catch-up with thread.]

For what it's worth I agree with you on franks vote, i would be willing to truce with you and go that route

Would you say the s/reads of your t/reads reinforces your own reads?
I want to see YOU make the first move on a player.
I.e draw first blood.

[DogWatch is freely open and blatant everytime she sheeps or consults with her t/reads -

I like this

, it's nothing hidden or bordering or insidious buddying. People keep flagging her behaviour as suspicious/scummy, but she persists/is consistent with her playstyle, not changing it regardless of player's perception on her].


Yeah... that mozamis wagon gained momentum...

(the speed of it naturally made you take your foot off the gas, but the fact it was composed of some easy votes, we shouldn't rule out a bus. It'll be a good wagon to return to after a flip).


@Shadow_step - more than half of your 16 posts have been focused on DogWatch. What I first thought was strong confirmation bias, I am now leaning on scum-tunneling.

Your ISO does not show me you are trying to sort the alignment of the other 11 players.

VOTE: Shadow_step
Show me where you have challenged other people's reads.

Suspicion: you only feel comfortable talking about lynchbait-Dogwatch.

[Keyser Söze]

I think barley is town because broccoli pushed cabbage and carrot town reads lettuce

Genius post.

A way to participate in a lynch without having to take the blame for it. For example, in 452- she says she townreads mozamis. In 458, asks you what is wrong with a post mozamis made. Then votes her based on the fact that she trusts you. Now, if mozamis flips town, who is going to be blamed the most for the lynch. Probably not Dogwatch.

Dogwatch hasn't made her wagon jumping secret - she's very open about it (i.e there is no hiding when we do VCA).
I think scum would be more conscious of how often/and where they use their vote.

It feels like Dogwatch isn't playing with self-censorship

.


Eddie Cane is happy to dictate the where he thinks the focus should be :

let's go back to Frank. selynee, any thoughts? barley, why momo over frank?

I just did it to fit in so to speak. I had just replaced in. There was this huge wagon everyone seemed to be on. So why not??

HOLY SHIT.
Is this cheekiest scum line of all time?
momo has BIG balls.

[Keyser Söze]

since when is ignoring a RHETORIC question scum indicative? this is blatantly misrepping a situation. also in reply to 71: it isn't scum afraid of getting lynched, i5s nai newb afraid of getting lynched. I'm really annoyed how you're trying to push a lynch on a newbie for awful reasonig this early. you're right, you're not an ic, but that doesn't mean you should be an asshole. he's new, I called him out a bit for the rvs vote questioning too. that's not scum indicative at all. but actually, viewing your iso, you've been tunnelling him from your first post.

I don't get what you're saying actually? Scum are AFRAID of getting lynched.
Being a newbie has nothing to do what I was pushing, I'd treat anyone the same way. The IC ref is because Fire was asking stuff that every mafia player should be aware of. I'm not the IC, i.e. I'm not supposed to teach you stuff. Also, fire isn't a newbie. He's an alt.

I still don't think you're trying to solve the game.

I MIGHT BE AN IDIOT

BUT READING MOMO I FEEL LIKE HE IS THE PLAYER THAT IF HE GOT PRESSURED AS TOWN HE WULD BE LIKE FUCK YALL AND MOVE ON WITH WHATEVER ELSE HE WAS DOING

AND SCUM!HIM WOULD DEFEND THE CRAP OUT OF HIMSELF

Why the caps?
With no meta analysis is this pure gut?
As a full-time subscriber to WIFOM, yes,

finding the scum-motivation in his play so far is hard

.
Thus, difficult to call him a solid 'scum' lean/read.
If he's an experienced player he may think hiding in plain sight is effective.

FRANK FIRE GERRY KEYSER <------------------ none of those reach endgame

Which one is your scum partner?

[Keyser Söze]

oh, and fire's responses look town. he seems measured and questioning his attackers in a "i dont care, i'm innocent" kinda way.
time to stop voting fire.

VOTE FIREWATER

Havent seen anything town form him all game.
Lot of emoty bullshit.

I know reads/stance's can change

... (your posts were nearly 600 posts apart) but do you think Fire's early posts are still "empty", upon your re-read?


I feel like that FireScreamer has been making sharp points throughout the game, but I do think he's

held back on his individual pushes on players

(Natural or intentional?) He did say he held 'rough stances', so this could explain why he hasn't packed a lot of meat into a push.

[mozamis]

I know reads/stance's can change... (your posts were nearly 600 posts apart) but do you think Fire's early posts are still "empty", upon your re-read?

completely forgot i read him as town early on.
i'll look back over him.

[TwoFace]

Bump