Boer Genocide

[James3]

http://www.genocidewatch.org/southafrica.html

For white farmers in South Africa, the situation is horrible. They stand a very real chance of being murdered, in some of the most gruesome ways imaginable. Their women and children (yes, children) also stand a very good chance of being raped by thugs. The police not only don't do anything, but they frequently are the ones committing the rapes and murders.

Just imagine for a moment if whites were doing this to blacks somewhere. We would hear about it in the news everyday.

[James3]

P.S. If you're first reaction on reading this was to think of how bad Apartheid was (with its social stability, low unemployment, law and order, functional infrastructure, and what have you), then that's a sign you need to reconsider your ideological stance.

[James3]

So there are places that are worse. And?

[James3]

And people still think that getting rid of Apartheid and empowering the terrorist ANC was just the obviously right thing to do.

[James3]

Functioning infrastructure, law and order, low unemployment, etc.

The absence of borderline genocide was also a plus.

[James3]

It worked.

Egalitarianism has failed everywhere it's been implemented (although South Africa is probably the crown jewel of egalitarian failure).

[James3]

Sure. Jim Crow also worked fine though, so the comparison to slavery fails. A better comparison would be between Jim Crow's abandonment and Apartheid's abandonment.

[James3]

Sure it did. Blacks were better off in every measurable way under Jim Crow (unemployment, crime rates, single motherhood rates, etc.).

[James3]

Letting the "talented tenth" integrate with whites worked out nicely for them, just not for anyone else.

[James3]

I'm sorry, when you say blacks were better off under Jim Crow, you mean better off than under slavery?

I mean better off than now.

So there are places that are worse. And?

You are being selective in your choice of subject to further your own agenda. Nobody wants genocide. But you in particular, happen to only care about the risk of genocide of white people.

That's curious to me.

Why is it curious? Jews are obsessed with the threat of being subject to genocide, non-existent as it is in postwar reality. Why should I not be concerned with actual white genocide.

Having social stability is great. But having social stability in a racist society is not great.

Why?

[James3]

non-existent as it is in postwar reality

it's the official policy of several countries, some of which are close to having nuclear weapons, that israel must be eradicated

Israel has been a belligerent aggressor for most of its history. It's also a nuclear state. I can completely understand why Arabs would be hostile to them.

In any case, wanting to end the sovereignty of a particular state is not equivalent to wanting to commit genocide.

[James3]

Israel has been a belligerent aggressor for most of its history. It's also a nuclear state. I can completely understand why Arabs would be hostile to them.

this is completely beside the point

It's very on point when the subject is Arab hostility toward the state of Israel.

In any case, wanting to end the sovereignty of a particular state is not equivalent to wanting to commit genocide.

ok but these bodies have indicated willingness to commit genocide either to achieve the eradication of israel or as an end of itself

Which entities are you referring to? As far as I'm aware, Iran has never stated it's support for genocide (and that's the only one suspected of being on the verge of nukes).

[James3]

It's very on point when the subject is Arab hostility toward the state of Israel.

the subject is whether israel is under real genocidal threat

Okay. You're going to need to explain how it is.

Why?

Because it's fucking racist

So?

[James3]

Well, racism is bad. So living in a racist place is bad.

1. What is racism? There are many contrary definitions in use for it, so pick one to be precise.
2. Why is it bad?

[James3]

Racism occurs when a racial or ethnic group is discriminated against, like under Jim Crow laws or apartheid.

It is bad because people shouldn't be discriminated against just because they're a member of a certain race. They didn't choose it, and there is nothing wrong with being of a certain race.

Why should people not be discriminated against because of unchosen qualities?

[James3]

Before, we begin, I'd like to clarify a few things so I know how detailed my explanation has to be. Do you think that it's okay to discriminate against people based on race?

In general, yes.