Scummies Ideas, Suggestions and Comments Thread

[Realeo]

Question: Is there any active , non simply-only-playing-1-game Hydra?

[zoraster]

Okay, I read that like four times and are you asking: "Are there any active hydras that play in more than one game together?"

[Realeo]

I see that most hydra are one-timer. The competition-size is small if we want "The most feared hydra".

[zoraster]

Yeah, that's a good point. Although generally we shy away from body of work awards anyway. But there's little call for a hydra award.

[LicketyQuickety]

I think I have a good idea here. I also think people are not listening to me because its me and not someone else. *shrug*

[N]

No it's because it's a bad idea

[LicketyQuickety]

I might regret this, but I would really like to know why. So far I have gotten answers such as "Hydra's are bad" and "That will limit Hydra participation" and "We don't want to encourage Hydras" then people just saying "Its a bad idea" without explaining why.

No one has yet to actually explain

why

its a bad idea. They think they know what I am saying, but the arguments against what I suggest doesn't match what I am saying.

[Cheery Dog]

Your argument currently reminds me of this thread: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=70027

Please don't turn this thread into that.

[LicketyQuickety]

#Hated

[animorpherv1]

As someone who's gone through the site hating them, I can guarantee you the site doesn't hate you.

[xyzzy]

I don't personally care for hydras, but I could see a justification for having "best hydra" as an award. I don't think a "most feared" thing makes sense, but an award for positively contributing to a game in a noteworthy way would make sense.

[Firebringer]

As someone who's gone through the site hating them, I can guarantee you the site doesn't hate you.

i like you a lot, just don't send me a pokemon poll....

[animorpherv1]

Before your time, Firebringer. Way before your time. But thanks anyways.

[LicketyQuickety]

I don't personally care for hydras, but I could see a justification for having "best hydra" as an award. I don't think a "most feared" thing makes sense, but an award for positively contributing to a game in a noteworthy way would make sense.

"Most Feared" was just a name I threw out there. I don't really care what its called. Just having a specific place for Hydra's while keeping most other awards for single player play is all I am really suggesting here.

BTW, I didn't know that Plot and Mala actually won the MCM award when I originally thought of the idea. I just assumed it was a single player when I looked through who won what awards. Its not meant to be a dis to them at all.

[Pine]

Okay, I read that like four times and are you asking: "Are there any active hydras that play in more than one game together?"

Calcifer (Nacho + Mastina)

[mastina]

Actually, while Nacho/mastina is the most famous duo within the Calcifer hydra, neither of us were the original users. Andrius used it with VasudeVa, then hydraed with Nacho using the same hydra, and then Nacho passed it on to me where we continued using it.
The wiki page for the hydra is ridiculously out of date though.

...Butyes. Nacho and I did go on to use the account multiple times over multiple games and we sporadically/periodically continue to do so (making us the most-well-known duo for it), whenever he pings me up and says "hey let's hydra" (which I never say no to).

[LicketyQuickety]

I have also Hydraed with Nacho more than once, but we are not really well known.

[LicketyQuickety]

Actually, it is my goal to Hydra with the same people I have more often. Wouldn't mind Hydraing with a few people I have Hydraed with in the past.

[Realeo]

I think I have a good idea here. I also think people are not listening to me because its me and not someone else. *shrug*

As someone who has been the receiving end in this thread, this thread has a high standard.

[Untrod Tripod]

Why do you think we need that when we literally had a hydra win the best scum player award this year

1. Hydra's are actually a thing. What I mean is that I think it would be best if people stop burying their heads in the sand fighting the inevitability that Hydra's are very very popular amongst players and I think more regular playing players do do Hydras than do not. Giving a Hydra a specific award gives Hydra players an incentive to play to the best of their ability, to elevate their play to something they couldn't do by themselves alone. It adds a layer of competition to Hydra play - especially but not limited to Hydra only games.
   
2. I don't think Hydra's should be able to be eligible to win the Body of Work and Single Game awards. I think things like winning Most Cunning Manipulator is a lot easier to win if you are in a Hydra with someone. Not to take away the Skill that is found in Malakittens and Plotinus, because I respect both players play a lot. But with awards like Most Cunning Manipulator, its almost like having a Team within a Team and I feel that all the single player awards and body of work awards should be specific to individual players. Two heads are better that one, and I think it gives Hydra players an edge when considering who is the "Best" - singular.

There should be a single "Best" for any award that can be won by a single person and a special award that is specific to Hydra play. I do think that when considering Moderation that Hydras should be eligible. And I say this not considering in the slightest that Mala and Plot should be stripped of their title - they deserved it.

It kind of seems like you're holistically making the point that the degree of difficulty is lower with a hydra and therefore they need separate awards. If the degree of difficulty truly is lower, that means hydras have an unfair advantage and therefore should not be allowed in games at all.

Additionally, the argument that hydras are "inevitable" is funny considering they've been around for like six years now and haven't had significant numerical growth for a years.

[McMenno]

Okay, I read that like four times and are you asking: "Are there any active hydras that play in more than one game together?"

Calcifer (Nacho + Mastina)

reasonably rational (cerb/drixx)

also hydras can win other awards already. in fact two of them dis this year. so I don't think a seperate award is needed

[zakk]

finding better judges

Judging is A LOT of work.
Especially when there's little discretion in nominations and there's a good half-dozen or dozen games entered for each category.

And its entirely a volunteer basis.

I was a judge for 2011. And another year.

I know, I have been a judge multiple times too

It's a lot of work, yes, but perhaps instead of just announcing the position of scummies judge and hoping the right people sign up (many were lazy/took a long time this time around, not naming names), we should invite people we find to be excellent at such tedious work who appreciate attention to detail (perhaps look at the people who balance setups, mod crazy games with a lot of swingy roles (which turn out well repeatedly)), etc. Names come to mind such as callforjudgement (he even has "judge" in his name for crying out loud), Varsoon, mhsmith0.

If we invite high-caliber people, perhaps they will realize it's another way they can contribute to the community that they might not have considered before, because they were otherwise occupied doing their other community service.

Anyway... not trying to be argumentative, just explaining my point and showing that there was a thought process behind it.

[zakk]

To be fair, Andries, I think we greatly streamlined things this year.

And yes, this year was

much

better than past years I've judged.

[Cabd]

I'd say morph but we both scurried away after a while.

We had quite the scumwin ratio though...

[zakk]

I think I'm sitting on a perfect scum win ratio iirc.