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I had the highest score on the board by a long shot, but I was on the inactive list. But it works with recent games more, yes. It isn't an average of all the times you played. But for my game history, the 25th is actually ridiculously low in comparison. I think the other lowest place I've ever had was 11th? I've had ever placement from 1st to 7th I believe. It's rarer that I miss jury than it is that I make it. So I'm not super surprised this tanked me.Xalxe: this is xofelf sometimes we call each other names and other times we share emotions
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ELO is kind of a joke that we all know doesnt mean anything but kind of as a community embrace despite its stupidity. I don't think anyone plays for ELOIn post 51, zoraster wrote:I know it's both, but is the goal of the game to win or to finish the highest average position?
If we're talking about encouraging risk-taking behavior, the latter is not the way to achieve that.
for example I was top of the ELO for like a week and I suck at this gamethird best scummer of all time- zoraster
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I mean, I doubt anyone purely plays for ELO, but the method people are measured against each other tends to have subtle and often unconscious effects. I actually think ELO is a pretty good system overall. But if the concerns of some people is that there's not enough risk-taking, well, this system at the very least doesn't help with that.
I don't have enough knowledge to know whether or not that's actually a problem and not just people finding something new to complain about, but....- xRECKONERx
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is this true? I thought elo basically took everything into affect equallyIn post 46, BROseidon wrote:It heavily biases towards recent performance.green shirt thursdays- zoraster
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it tends to be a feature of elo ratings. Which is generally a good thing: the goal is to show current skill. https://elliotnoma.wordpress.com/2015/0 ... o-ratings/.- BROseidon
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IIRC it weights more recent performances more heavily.In post 58, xRECKONERx wrote:
is this true? I thought elo basically took everything into affect equallyIn post 46, BROseidon wrote:It heavily biases towards recent performance.-
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One of the curious things about doing this is that I assume (maybe I'm wrong) that your elo is adjusted as a one v. one competition with each person in the game. So for example, xofelf beat kdowns and Annadog40, but because she had a 1557 rating vs. a 1085 and 1200 rating, respectively, she didn't get many points for that. But THEN she lost to everyone else, including 986 me and 952 Trollie, both of which on their own would decrease the Elo score considerably. And that's why her Elo went way, way down.
So, and CC can correct me, rather than think about each game as a single iteration of Elo, think of each game as X number of games scored all at once, where X is the number of players in the game minus one.
But, depending on whether CC readjusts the elos EVERY time, it could be worse than that. Because xofelf would face every single person as a 1557 elo, whereas if she did it as 27 single games, she'd readjust her elo and it'd suffer less each time she lost..- CuddlyCaucasian
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You're right zor, it's calculated as (in the case of ned's) 26 1v1 games against everyone else in the game. I think it does skew too heavily towards recent performance, although I could make it more stable by lowering the k-values used for everyone. It's nice to have a dynamic ranking system, but obviously none of them will be anywhere near perfect in something that's so subjective like Survivor and other large social games."CC is very [whatever the equivalent of photogenic as it applies to videos]" - racefan12
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In post 63, CuddlyCaucasian wrote:You're right zor, it's calculated as (in the case of ned's) 26 1v1 games against everyone else in the game. I think it does skew too heavily towards recent performance, although I could make it more stable by lowering the k-values used for everyone. It's nice to have a dynamic ranking system, but obviously none of them will be anywhere near perfect in something that's so subjective like Survivor and other large social games.
Is it calculated using static ratings or dynamic ones? In other words, was each of my games judges as if I had a 986 or for each victory did mine inch up a bit until I went out and then every loss incrementally reduced my elo?.-
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In post 56, hiplop wrote:
ELO is kind of a joke that we all know doesnt mean anything but kind of as a community embrace despite its stupidity. I don't think anyone plays for ELOIn post 51, zoraster wrote:I know it's both, but is the goal of the game to win or to finish the highest average position?
If we're talking about encouraging risk-taking behavior, the latter is not the way to achieve that.
for example I was top of the ELO for like a week and I suck at this game
HEEEEEY I'm pretty proud of my 7th place- BROseidon
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Yeah I think "as long as I get to FTC I will be happy!" or "as long as I make jury I will be happy!" are pretty toxic views on the game tbh and that has a lot to do with elo
perhaps if there was a way to scale elo to match the Survivor payouts?
Winner: $1,000,000
Runner-up, $100,000
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that's what i found on a quick googling... so like, do that, but scale it based on # of players and keep track of "winnings" instead of elo?green shirt thursdays- xRECKONERx
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That sounds awesome actually.Xalxe: this is xofelf sometimes we call each other names and other times we share emotions
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i mean i think it's cumulative
and i think that gives people a reason to go for the "big win" to boost their rankings
perhaps we could curtail it to more recent games and exclude older ones in order to eliminate the games from before anon survivor became like a "legit" thing
or yeah average winnings could work too
no reason we couldn't keep both statistics handy.
i think both avg winnings and cumulative winnings gives people more reason to play for a win than elo which gives a minor difference between winning and coming in 3rdgreen shirt thursdays - xRECKONERx
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