Mini 1878: Darkest Dungeon Mafia - VICTORY
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Varsoon
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Human Sequencer
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Varsoon is my mortal enemy and I kind of got obsessed with reading him after one particular game we played together. I would be shocked if he is scum here.
Vifam exudes IDGAFtown. I can picture him sitting on a stool in the corner by himself, chillin, being town.
Clumsy felt really open in RVS, showed town restraint re: the Cakez wagon, and overall gives off good vibes.
Arwen and Aragorn's tiff was Varsoon was weird but other than that they're presenting the kind of hydra dissonance that I tend to think comes from town hydras. Keyser Soze's looked even more town since Frozen Angel replaced out.
Human Sequencer is above the line almost entirely because of his asking for other player's accounts and clearly using that information to inform his scumhunting, even if I don't like a lot of the angles he's taken.
Wraith is just kind of there. He started the Cakez wagon but it didn't really feel like a town Eureka moment at all, especially with the lack of follow up.
Alisae and Prism had a really long back and forth that I still don't fully understand. Prism came out of it sure that Alisae was scum but that wasn't quite how I interpreted it.
I haven't liked SirCakez since page one and in theory there is nothing wrong with his wagon but I think it's a mistake and while we could just push it through and work off flip, I'd really rather lynch Pine or kuror9 today.
Lycanfire's been perpetually catching up, having trouble interpreting his AtE. And he thinks Prism claimed Mathblade so she needs to die? Whatever that means, she didn't, and we're not.
SlySly hasn't done anything of note in either direction.
Pine is scum. Up to page 28 I had Pine listed as "not giving a shit about playing this game" and then he started talking about how "this is the way he's chosen to play" when that is not at all evident from his earlier promises of content. He's still on his RVS vote. I'm hooking up the Vig Signal as I type this.
Kuror is my #1 scumread. Reck was a nonentity and still had one of the scummier posts in the game. Kuror's catchup was all surface and overexcused, and his defense of Cakez looked like WKing, especially with him now being OK with Cakez being lynched:
In post 576, kuror0 wrote:Ok I'm here now. Weekends are weekends so I'm usually not that available.
We got almost exactly 4 days left unless we get some extension. Now I must admit I don't have strong reads so far.
I'm not entirely against cakez wagon but I think it kind of reached too soon the claim point, especially when you consider we have a lot of inactive players. I figure you could have poked around other slots to get a better idea but I guess I don't have the merits to complain about that stuff.
@Vifam who are your 2-3 top scum reads so far?
^Scum.In post 711, kuror0 wrote:To add I could also go for cakez. Something is odd there and I would rather prevent a last minute wagon jumping getting claims.
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@ Varsoon, Vifam, Clumsy: I think there's a very good chance Cakez could be town and Pine and kuror9 are scum coasting while you lead this mislynch.-
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Thought this was really town.In post 475, SirCakez wrote:I'm an Arbalist, just a VT (Human Adventurer and starting with Normal condition). Sorry to the scum on my wagon who were probably hoping I was a PR.-
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Reck's RVS was scum
kuror's replace in was scum. 295 got some townreads and I don't know why, there's nothing easier than bad mouthing a wagon that doesn't even exist anymore during a catch up. Coupled with 298 where he says that all of the high volume posters are making sense and using logic and this is where he starts to lose me--wasn't all of that sense making and logic being applied to the Wraith wagon he just said was garbage?
He and Pine both pulled this move and it's completely scum motivated. It took me 50 minutes to read all 32 pages of this game. I understand that not everyone reads at the same pace, or with the same critical thinking, etc. etc. but there's just no excuse for this shit. "I'm just going to pretend the last THREE PAGES!!! didn't exist even tho I've been here the whole time." Give me a break.In post 419, kuror0 wrote:Ok I will skip pages 14, 15 and 16 and jump straight to this one and fake that I'm aware of everything. So far my biggest scumread is prism. I got freaked out by HS buddying attempt tho it might be a real thought and I enjoy varsoon as a player but it is not AI at all. Now I will keep up with everything but it is weekend and I'm still tipsy so I'm out.
Scumscuses. You don't have strong reads, fine, but you're saying that you have experience with Pine and SlySly and they have low content...what are the implications of that? Are they normally low content?In post 612, kuror0 wrote:To the one who asked about my reads. I already said I don't have strong reads at this point. Most of you are new to me which leads to a longer time on developing reads. I need to understand your style of posting before getting what I find scummy and what not. I like that many players seems to have a logical focus and almost no shit posters but that alone isn't AI.
Also the players I have experience with are either the ones with low content (pine and sly) or Alissae which is a slot I have a lot of problems reading, because I find his style and some post easily as scum motivated but knowing this I hold up reading him this early.
If you want my appreciation of something in particular tho at this point I doubt I can be that helpful but when the time comes I will protect my town reads and push the scum reads I get. For now I'm in the process of getting an idea of everyone's way of posting and gathering small clues to start sorting people.
Here's the key difference between Human Sequencer and kuror9--they both say they need to have a familiarity with a player's playstyle before they can read them, but only one of them is actually following through with that philosophy.-
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Everyone doesn't think the same way you do. In fact I'd say most players wouldnt fakeclaim a PR as a VT in that situation.In post 816, Varsoon wrote:Then why would Cakez go "You're rolefishing?"
If Cakez is a town VT, why not claim something strong to see what scum push him over that sort of role?
He voices suspicion here that scum is trying to fish a claim from him with the wagon; not that scum was trying to eliminate a strong town role with his wagon.
Compare that to the wagon on me--it's clear that scum, if on it, want to eliminate a (practically publicly) empowered townie. There's been rolespec done with me. There's been rolefishing done at me. The votes and interaction in regards to Cakez reads as people genuinely scumreading his play and putting votes/sheeping the logic that got votes on him in the first place.-
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And if he'd presented it this way I wouldn't be talking about it, but he's on record as deliberately playing the way he has.In post 819, Clumsy wrote:@Desperado: I dunno about the Pine thing, he's been mostly missing all over the site it seems.-
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I have read the entire game, and I think making comments on every slot, many of which had nothing to do with the Cakez wagon, makes this question from you look really strange.In post 865, Lycanfire wrote:is your reads list (791) purely based on the cakez wagon? were you caught up on the game when you made this post?-
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My read on Cakez is that he has been scummy and worthy of a vote since the first page
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I think his claim and his attitude around that time were town
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I have independent scumreads on Pine and Kuror9 and I think Cakez is a town driven mislynch that scum aren't touching
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I wanted to get more attention on those people and potentially lynch them instead if I couldn't convince my townreads on the Cakez wagon to switch
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There are now 9 or 10 players who have expressed support for the Cakez wagon and no one really cared to engage me until you showed up
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I'm fine with Cakez getting lynched and discussing all of this again tomorrow with his alignment confirmed.-
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did you not read keyser's role PM or...?In post 893, Human Sequencer wrote:I'm afflicted. is anybody else afflicted?
Trying to figure out whether it's a targeted ability by scum or whether it just happens randomly.
vote: kuror9
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Why does VarsoonSK claim a kill that didn't go through?In post 960, Wraith wrote:I agree with kurur0 that there's a very high possibility that Varsoon is actually an SK and I am loathe to let him shoot of his own volition.-
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do you want to die or...?
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I expressed a willingness to vote Cakez from the get go. When it became clear that a) there was overwhelming support for his lynch with or without me and b) that no one seemed particularly interested in engaging in much discussion, I hammered him. Not exactly a flipflop.In post 1017, Wraith wrote:* Actually now that I think about it, he seemed genuine on the townread of Cakez, but later expresses his willingness to vote Cakez if necessary and in the end was the hammer vote. So that's really odd. I can definitely see a plausible scum motivation for that kind of flip-flopping-
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i've actually been advocating for your lynch since the minute i replaced inIn post 1059, kuror0 wrote:@desperado you were advocating for my lynch since day 2 that's the only reason you got to want me lynched?-
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LMAO I wasn't even talking about you in that post. I was referring to slysly.In post 1070, kuror0 wrote:I asked for the reasons and you didn't bother to make them clear. You said "his move on cakez wagon v2 was pretty scummy". Which I can't argue about because I don't even know what are you referencing. So if someone wants to push for my lynch I will be waiting for the reasons behind each one. If you are all just droping apathy votes and hoping to catch scum that way then you should re think the approach.
I bet if you isoed me and control f'd kuror you might find something!-
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And I know you read those posts because you begged us to let you survive d1 hereIn post 813, kuror0 wrote:Could you leave my wagon for the next day phase? I really don't have much time now that is weekend and the deadline is coming soon. Will try to post tomorrow cause this is all the time I got atm.
Still waiting to hear why!-
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I wasn't talking "to" anyone. I was stating my thoughts on him.
And pussyfooting means you are wasting time demanding that state my reasons again when your response to them the first time was to beg not to wagon you d1 and deal with you tomorrow. Well, we are here, and your idea of "dealing with it" is pretending like all of that never happened.-
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