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Post #175 (ISO ) » Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:02 pm
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by Vijarada » Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:02 pm
yeah chelsea and sabrina sucked.
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Post #176 (ISO ) » Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:06 pm
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by xRECKONERx » Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:06 pm
idk i think first vs jury vs pre-jury is a better paradigm
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Post #177 (ISO ) » Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:09 pm
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by Chevre » Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:09 pm
omg fineeee let me put my foot in my mouth for the tenth time this weekend
but you get what i mean. And it's especially true on MS Survivors where you know everyone is trying pretty hard to get to the end. Here it's more a matter of them having a full grasp of their game and how they got to the end, and then how that stacks up against the others.
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Post #178 (ISO ) » Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:17 pm
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by CuddlyCaucasian » Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:17 pm
winner gets the highest payout, first boot gets second highest payout, second boot gets third highest, etc. until second place gets the lowest payout
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Post #179 (ISO ) » Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:18 pm
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by Vijarada » Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:18 pm
plz no omg. anyone with 2 first boots could instantly become like 15th on that ranking
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Post #180 (ISO ) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:41 am
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by Ether » Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:41 am
Someone might have brought this up already, but you could rank 2nd/3rd place based on how many votes they got in FTC? Someone who got 4/9 votes or only lost in a tiebreaker runoff probably deserves a decent payout, someone who was unanimously ignored probably doesn't.
(To be clear, the winner would still get $1,000,000 regardless. This could presumably also work with ELOs, come to think of it.)
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Post #181 (ISO ) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:34 am
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by xRECKONERx » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:34 am
that's not a bad thought
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Post #182 (ISO ) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:19 am
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by BROseidon » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:19 am
It still kind of breaks in edge cases, but yeah I think it's as good as you'll get without being too wonky
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Post #183 (ISO ) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:41 am
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by hiplop » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:41 am
I think its a little odd personally. Winning is winning the vote. Doesn't matter how close! Like if you have a solid majority of say 5 people who will for sure vote you, and you win 5-4, i feel like that is still a "dominant" win in the same way 7-3 or something would be.
I think it gives some hedge cases a weird look?
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Post #184 (ISO ) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:49 am
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by zoraster » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:49 am
your avatar is screwed up, hiplop.
I think awarding based on FTC vote is problematic and doesn't really solve the issue of how much to reward winning vs. just doing well.
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Post #185 (ISO ) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:51 am
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by hiplop » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:51 am
What if we implement Fan Fav of 100k as well
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Post #186 (ISO ) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:51 am
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by hiplop » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:51 am
Ya i think jury vote thing slights certain strategies too
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Post #187 (ISO ) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:18 am
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by Ether » Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:18 am
To be fair, the winner under that system would always still get the same boost regardless of votes--using jury votes as a metric would only act as a judgment on the runner up. And I do think, for that purpose, that anyone whose strategy involved getting 0 votes in FTC deserves to be slighted, while 4 votes at least means that you weren't universally hated and it wouldn't be an insult to the system to give you $100,000 or so. It isn't perfect, but yeah.
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Post #188 (ISO ) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:33 am
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by xRECKONERx » Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:33 am
fan fave 100k is good but we'd probably need to only do that in games where IDs arent revealed idk
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Post #189 (ISO ) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:06 pm
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by Papa Zito » Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:06 pm
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Post #190 (ISO ) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:56 pm
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by xRECKONERx » Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:56 pm
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Post #191 (ISO ) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:04 pm
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by BipolarChemist » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:04 pm
the average win rate according to probability should be like... 1/20 or however many players is the average here
soooo 3/12 looks great don't even
and if ur being sarcastic well be more sarcastic you bastard
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Post #192 (ISO ) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:09 pm
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by xRECKONERx » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:09 pm
oh no i wasn't being sarcastic? i said
"esp compared to bella winning 2/5
or jess winning 1/2"
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Post #193 (ISO ) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:10 pm
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by CuddlyCaucasian » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:10 pm
I think pickemgenius's 0/16 is pretty admirable
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Post #194 (ISO ) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:42 pm
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by zoraster » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:42 pm
It looks great when you put in context of a list?
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Post #195 (ISO ) » Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:00 pm
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by Skelda » Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:00 pm
I would actually like having a static payout for first and then variable payouts for 2nd/3rd depending on how many Jury votes they got.
I just wouldn't want people intentionally casting Jury votes in the minority to influence that, you should vote for who you want to win.
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Post #196 (ISO ) » Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:24 pm
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by CuddlyCaucasian » Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:24 pm
Everything has been updated for MLS
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Post #197 (ISO ) » Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:27 pm
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by Vijarada » Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:27 pm
snakes playing exactly one game a year. we're on to you.
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Post #198 (ISO ) » Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:30 pm
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by BROseidon » Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:30 pm
Wait was LoL his last game?
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Post #199 (ISO ) » Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:30 pm
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by BROseidon » Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:30 pm
Also lol @ the top 3 from MLS being 3/4 of the top 4 in Elo
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