Open 60: The New C9 - Game over!

[kabenon007]

Vote: Unrighteousout Quitdirty.

[kabenon007]

Random Vote: kabenon007
Because his vote is a little strange.

Unvote, vote:Wesaq

So it's a random vote, but it's got a reason? I am intrigued...

[kabenon007]

unvote, vote:wesaq

Curse my forgetfulness...

[kabenon007]

I've been in two games with Mr. CKD. He was townie, I was scum, I got him lynched! Haha! Um, also, Peers, why can the SK kill not be as well informed as the Mafia kill? Perhaps the SK knew how good of a player Timmytuttut is or was. Never played with him before. But I don't see how the scum kill is any more informed than the SK kill, except for the fact that there are four scum.

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@Oman: The flavor of the kill makes it more likely that Timmy was the SK kill though.

[kabenon007]

Justin Playfair= Unrighteousout Quitdirty

Every word within his name I made into an opposite. Just for kicks.

[kabenon007]

You're odd.

[kabenon007]

It's not meant to be figured out, I'm just trying to have fun while playing a game! Doesn't mean you should get pissed if you don't get my humor.

[kabenon007]

And so, who was in that game that is in this game... Mr. LaptopGun, for example?

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I think it's pointless. Instead I will be concentrating on the one person who has done something I can see... lie. And keep switching his story. Wesaq.

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I don't care that he is voting me. A random vote is all well and good. But he can't seem to get his facts straight. First he says it's a random vote. Then he says it's not, in the same post. Then he says it was a random vote again, and then once more he says he had a reason behind it. So he's either lying or confusing his story.

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A word of warning Phate, vollkan always gives off town vibes...

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There was no need to freak out like that, Jesse, you aren't under than much suspicion. As such, I see it more as a newbie mistake than a scummy mistake, and therefore I am inclined to believe he does have some sort of info.

unvote, vote: Six Aces

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I agree, LG, he's next if Six Aces satisfies me.

[kabenon007]

vote:Shteven

Take a look at his first line. Okay, it's the second line, but I don't count agreed as a line.

Agreed. I'd say it's most likely that he was doctor protected, and that mafia chose other targets instead of taking the chance on there being a doctor protection.

He says it's likely Jesse was doctor protected, he didn't say that the scum thought that Jesse was doctor protected. This means he was thinking about Jesse being protected. This makes me think he is scum who made what I believe is called a Freudian slip.

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My point, Shteven, is that you had no reason to be thinking about it. It's possible for a townie to think it, but why would you? It doesn't do us any good to think about, therefore why bother? However, for scum, thinking about whether the cop will be protected is high on the priority list.

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I think it is good to figure it out as well. I was more concerned with the word choicing and placement. It struck me as scummy, and it is kinda hard to explain. It's a feeling more than anything, and I tried to explain it, apparently not very well.

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Gracious people, I responded to this already... you just aren't reading!

When it boils down to it, you're suspecting Shteven for thinking outside your box, which is quite sucky, TBH.

I already said, I was more suspicious of the way he worded it, not the fact that he was thinking it. I didn't really explain it in my first post, but oh well. My mistake.[/quote]

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Okay... I think I found a better way to explain it. For instance, would a townie have to deliberate about whether or not the cop is going to be protected? No, we have no reason to, whether we think about it or not has no bearing on whether the cop survives the night.

For a scum, he has to sit and think and mull over the fact that there is probably a doctor, so should he take the chance and try to kill the doc, or should he just kill someone else.

But it was the wording that tipped me off to this fact. He doesn't say the mafia thought that he would be doctor protected, he just said, it's probable that he would have been, or something along those lines. So I took that to mean that he was deliberating about whether or not the cop was going to be protected enough, deliberating enough to post that fact.

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I agree that a particular scumtell, or even town tell, cannot be placed on everyone. Take vollkan for instance. His large posts, contentful, appear pro-town. But he also does them when he is scum. I want to wait for a recent vote count before I vote, mostly because I don't have time to check myself. (I'm lazy and busy, sue me!)

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I think we should keep the idea that Jesse might be scum in the back of our minds, just as a last thought kind of thing. We can scum hunt without worrying about it too much. If we can't figure it out, we can always go back and examine him thoroughly later.

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Just expressing my opinion, Shteven. That way, when people ask what it was, I can go back and point to a specific spot and say, Look there it is! Instead of saying "Well, judging from how I worded this post, I felt XXX." Much more concrete, more helpful to the town.

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Why do you want to know?

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All right, so you have warned us twice that Vollkan may be scum however town he may seem. Do you have any reasons for suspecting Vollkan beyond his usually seeming town that would warrant two warnings about him in the first nine pages?

Well, my first game was with vollkan here on MS. I was town, he was scum. He did exactly what he is doing now: long posts, responding to everything thrown at him with long posts. He was scum in that game and I knew it, but no one else believed me. And I can't help feeling that this is exactly how he acted that first game... and I know I said it was how he plays everytime... but something just seems different. But yes, it was vollkan I was considering putting my vote on. I believe my vote could do better on someone other than Shteven.

If you could please explain both how saying that Jesse might be scum or he might not but we can find out later is “concrete”, and how it is “helpful to town”. I understand how it might later be useful to you.

Well, I was saying that we don't necessarily need to concentrate on him at the moment. We keep him as a possibility in the back of our minds, only as a possibility, because I don't really think he is scum, but there is a slight chance, and then if we are really stuck, we can go back and investigate him more thoroughly.

While it is perfectly appropriate to ask the question you are asking in return, it would also have been appropriate to answer Farside22’s question. In this case it actually would provide something “Much more concrete, more helpful to the town”.

Well, I don't like it when people just ask me questions without providing reasons. It can provide false links between persons that the scum might manipulate to get a townie lynched. So I don't like it when I am just asked a question without a reason or case on it.

And now that she has posted, I will respond. I haven't pushed it because I haven't seen him around here very much, and I hate it when I keep asking and asking someone who isn't there to provide an answer. So I just dropped it. Saved it for a later date.

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Now you're just being opportunistic farside. I am the one who decides whether I want to press an attack or not. He is not here, my energy would be wasted, and is therefore more useful doing other things.

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That is idiotic Rigel. The only reason Wesaq isn't here is because he chooses not to be or because he cannot. My not putting pressure on him does not make him more inclined to lurk. You are grasping at straws and I believe you were expecting more people to start ganging up on me, so you seized the first opportunity you could find to get on board and be suspcious of me.

unvote, vote:Rigel

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Come now vollkan, you have to admit that some words, some turns of phrase, cause you to feel a certain way about them. Your words merely caused a scummy sensation in the pit of my stomach. I was right last time.

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My case was that I felt you hadn't attacked me as hard as you could have! That is a thought of mine, a feeling, that I attacked upon.

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Have you been reading this thread, Spacecase?

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Yes, I've chosen to play as Jdodge this game. You like?

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He can't. Not without using the same data that he could just pick up from any of the other posts attacking me.

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Just because I haven't found scum yet doesn't mean I won't, Oman.

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Okay, I'm sorry I've been an ass up til now. I really don't mean to, sometimes I just get carried away, and I've been sick for the past week, so I've just kinda been blah. Now, if someone wants to attack me, I will defend myself in a much calmer manner, one that benefits the town more than just sarcasm.

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I'm not trying to explain away crappy play you might have seen, I'm trying to apologize for being the pretentious dick as Oman pointed out.

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I wouldn't just ignore a question if it were of major concern to me, that would be a stupid scum mistake. Basically I wanted to find out if I had been right in that first game, so I looked up vollkan on wiki, and found out that he got his nickname "Interrogator" because he still made long posts grilling his opponents. And it had certainly seemed town back then as well.

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I said that his play in this game and in the game in which he was scum are the same. His play in others is what seems different. And yes Oman, you have been the unerring voice of truth in this game. Please provide a case or stop spamming.

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That was still when I was being a pretentious dick. I wasn't actually playing as JDodge, I was just being a sarcastic prick at that moment.
@vollkan: I am composing a list of comparisons between this game and our last one, and I will search for relevant information in other finished games. Just so you don't think I am skimping out on you.

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I'm actually having a little more trouble than I originally thought I would in coming up with a solid comparison. I thought that by perusing your games I would find some kind of difference. I've got to hand it to you, vollkan, your play in most of your games is similar all around. However, I am very much a feel player, and perhaps, in viewing it again, I had more of the same feel of the posts in this game and the first. Which, though I regard feel and tone of posts important, it is not enough for a vote.

And, though I wish I were more, I am but a simple townie. No powers at all.

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Well, LaptopGun's post strikes me as slightly suspicious. He says he should just hammer me and end the day, but he says in the same sentence that he believes me to be town. So he would hammer a person he thought was town. Probably gonna piss him off with this and he'll hammer then, but there you go. I find it suspicious, and, as Phate put it, "setting it up" for when I am revealed to be townie.

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Yeah, I can admit that my play today wasn't very good. But does that constitute lynching me even if you think I am town, Phate?

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EDWOP:
Never mind. I thought Phate was voting for me. Although, I would like to know why MelodyMan is voting for me... He posted in my other game, but hasn't here. Hello? Are you there, Melody? Why you vote for me?

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Yeah, and as much as I would like to stay alive, I would rather have myself lynched than a no lynch.

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A lynch, be it a townie or scum, provides information. A no-lynch at this point in the game just gives the scum another free kill. This day needs to end with a lynch. I would prefer it not be me, I would prefer myself over no lynch.

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And that's the newbie in you talking, Space. Everyone knows a lynch is better than a no lynch in most situations. I'm just stating the truth. If you don't like it, no argument I come up with will sway you.

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And why shouldn't they admit that, Fonz? Isn't it true? A lynch is better than none in almost all circumstances.

Vanilla Townie. Sorry to disappoint you all. Nothing special here.

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Yes, of course, but because I know I'm not a power role, it is better, correct? Or were you all assuming for some reason that I was a power role?

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Hm... my mistake Fonz. Thanks for pointing that out to me, I will remember that for later. Sorry that had to happen, but eh, learn something new everyday! Good game all, go town!

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Why though? I die, I give information about who voted for me, when they voted, my alignment, who I interacted with and how I interacted with them. Isn't that good information?