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Post Post #450 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:08 pm

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In post 449, BROseidon wrote:Just because it's a game doesn't mean that basic aspects of human decency go away.
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Post Post #451 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:10 pm

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In post 449, BROseidon wrote:Just because it's a game doesn't mean that basic aspects of human decency go away.
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Post Post #453 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:12 pm

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Post Post #454 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:14 pm

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Post Post #457 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:43 pm

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Post Post #458 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:47 pm

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In post 449, BROseidon wrote:Just because it's a game doesn't mean that basic aspects of human decency go away.
If you gain an advantage by over sharing personal stuff, then I don't see why it's inappropriate to do the same with than info.

If you tell me, Zoraster, a personal story about yourself — even if you do so froma throwaway account (if I couldn't see who you were), I'd never dream of violating your confidentiality. As an admin, I've gone to great lengths to maintain that feeling because it's important.

But if you tell Buffy the survivor player, you're doing so in a way that I assume has at least some ulterior motive and feel no compunction about betraying except to the somewhat likely extent it might bite me in the ass.
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Post Post #459 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:49 pm

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I was about to say I don't feel like people do that to get an advantage..

But then I remembered Damian's breakup.
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Post Post #460 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:51 pm

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It's like I didn't state multiple times that I knew I was being a dick to Tracy and felt that she deserved being called out for her bullshit.
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Post Post #461 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:52 pm

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Oh wait I did.

Man I love how we defend passive-aggressive shit on this site so long as nobody is YELLED AT.
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Post Post #462 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:53 pm

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How about even little shit like someone telling you they can't make a challenge (and thus earn your ire if they mess up) because their mom died? Like come on. To give confidentiality for personal stuff is to allow people to abuse the goodness of other players OUTSIDE the parameters of the game.
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Post Post #463 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:54 pm

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In post 458, zoraster wrote:
In post 449, BROseidon wrote:Just because it's a game doesn't mean that basic aspects of human decency go away.
If you gain an advantage by over sharing personal stuff, then I don't see why it's inappropriate to do the same with than info.

If you tell me, Zoraster, a personal story about yourself — even if you do so froma throwaway account (if I couldn't see who you were), I'd never dream of violating your confidentiality. As an admin, I've gone to great lengths to maintain that feeling because it's important.

But if you tell Buffy the survivor player, you're doing so in a way that I assume has at least some ulterior motive and feel no compunction about betraying except to the somewhat likely extent it might bite me in the ass.
Except Buffy is also a person.

Survivor is fundamentally a game of emotion, and pretending that discretion stops existing doesn't really fly.
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Post Post #464 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:57 pm

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Discretion matters but it does so within the game. If I violate your trust, I've made an enemy.

But if I see an advantage to it, I will betray it. Because I assumetheres a good chance you're just being manipulative and the goal is to win, not make long lasting out of game friends.
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Post Post #465 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:59 pm

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In post 458, zoraster wrote:If you tell me, Zoraster, a personal story about yourself — even if you do so froma throwaway account (if I couldn't see who you were), I'd never dream of violating your confidentiality. As an admin, I've gone to great lengths to maintain that feeling because it's important.

But if you tell Buffy the survivor player, you're doing so in a way that I assume has at least some ulterior motive and feel no compunction about betraying except to the somewhat likely extent it might bite me in the ass.
I think this is why a lot of people didn't trust Buffy. Buffy seemed very much like a gamebot and hard to read. You didn't seem like a person, you were missing the emotion that others look for to gauge how genuine you're actually being with them.
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Post Post #466 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:00 pm

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I mean, I think that's why people don't care for ME sometimes, not just Buffy.
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Post Post #467 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:00 pm

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In post 464, zoraster wrote:Discretion matters but it does so within the game. If I violate your trust, I've made an enemy.

But if I see an advantage to it, I will betray it. Because I assumetheres a good chance you're just being manipulative and the goal is to win, not make long lasting out of game friends.
And if you do that to someone who told you that in good faith and they call you an asshole for it, you had it coming.

Is really all I'm saying.
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Post Post #468 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:01 pm

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It is fundamentally a game and everything that occurs within it should exist for furthering the purposes of that game. If zor leaks all your shit to everyone, vote him off. Don't accuse him of breaching human decency.
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Post Post #469 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:01 pm

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Like "it's just a game" shouldn't be carte blanche for "I'm gonna be a colossal asshole to people and pretend that nobody has feelings"
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Post Post #470 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:02 pm

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(in b4 "but Penny was mean to Tracy" while ignoring the entire context within which that existed)
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Post Post #471 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:04 pm

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In post 467, BROseidon wrote:
In post 464, zoraster wrote:Discretion matters but it does so within the game. If I violate your trust, I've made an enemy.

But if I see an advantage to it, I will betray it. Because I assumetheres a good chance you're just being manipulative and the goal is to win, not make long lasting out of game friends.
And if you do that to someone who told you that in good faith and they call you an asshole for it, you had it coming.

Is really all I'm saying.
Okay, I guess, but in a game where you literally vote out other people, I hope you'd agree that there is at least a necessary fiction that being called an asshole for in game is not the same thing as being an asshole outside.
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Post Post #472 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:05 pm

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Depends on how far you believe "Death of the Artist" goes.
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Post Post #473 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:05 pm

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In post 462, zoraster wrote:How about even little shit like someone telling you they can't make a challenge (and thus earn your ire if they mess up) because their mom died? Like come on. To give confidentiality for personal stuff is to allow people to abuse the goodness of other players OUTSIDE the parameters of the game.
If they do make the challenge it's all forgotten about.

Or at least when I had to abandon my tribe during a challenge in RSX because I had to go to work, it greatly annoyed my tribemates, even though I'd already stayed i had at most an hour, and had stayed longer than that.

to be fair, I did also suck at that challenge, so it might not be a fair comparison.
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Post Post #474 (ISO) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:06 pm

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(note: I don't believe in complete Death of the Artist. Nobody can completely remove who they are from their Survivor character, even if they can stretch or push themselves pretty far from their normal range)
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