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Post Post #55 (isolation #0) » Fri May 04, 2012 5:26 pm

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The Best Role Claim award is just way too limiting an award. There's so few instances of situations where a single person could be nominated. 99% of townies shouldn't ever claim anything except their own role PM, and being able to successfully fakeclaim something believable is just general good scum/sk behavior instead of an isolated point that should be rewarded.

But I understand IceGuy's argument and think that maybe we could have a
Best Moment in a Mafia Game
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Also, I really think we should have a
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Post Post #67 (isolation #1) » Sat May 05, 2012 9:55 am

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I strongly disagree with Faraday, SleepyKrew, & quadz08. You guys are monochromatically categorizing potential nominees as either funny or "good play" without really knowing what's going to get nominated. Some moments are going to funny, some are going to be "good plays" and likely most are going to be a mix of "funny" and "good play" because it was a moment in a mafia game that nobody who participated or read it afterwards is going to forget it anytime soon.

Insisting that they be judged separately will mean that most people will throw the nominees into both categories and get annoyed when they don't win either for not being a strong enough nomination when considered separately.
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Post Post #70 (isolation #2) » Sat May 05, 2012 10:14 am

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In post 74, quadz08 wrote:...

Very rarely have I seen a truly hilarious moment also be a moment of truly good play.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p2373750
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Post Post #72 (isolation #3) » Sat May 05, 2012 10:17 am

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In post 75, SleepyKrew wrote:Khan, how is someone supposed to judge whether the strategic genius of a move is better or worse than the comedic genius of an exchange?

I'll grant that strategic genius will trump a comedic moment of no legitimate value, but there already is a "Funniest Poster" category for the latter so I'm not too concerned.

The winner of the award will most likely be a great play or a great play that was also very funny. I don't see what the problem is with that.
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Post Post #73 (isolation #4) » Sat May 05, 2012 10:19 am

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In post 74, quadz08 wrote:For example, in Fate's Destiny Mafia, Spyrex posted an image in-thread that I think literally every player in the game fell of their chairs laughing at. Would I have nominated it for funniest moment? Absolutely. Good play? Hell no. While the categories are not mutually exclusive, the overlap is so small that it makes no sense to group them together.

And SpyreX won "Funniest Poster" exactly for posts like that. If it had been a brilliant post/play/gambit/maneuver/analysis/whatever on top of being funny, shouldn't it have deserved an award by itself in case SpyreX lost out to Thor665?
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Post Post #75 (isolation #5) » Sat May 05, 2012 10:22 am

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In post 62, Vi wrote:
In post 61, Kublai Khan wrote:Also, I really think we should have a
Hall of Fame
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ITT, elitism over people most people don't care about?

What? Elitism? I'm talking about recognizing people that have devoted a lot of their time over a long period of time to making this free website great. If that's elitist, then fuck you for being so elite.
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Post Post #76 (isolation #6) » Sat May 05, 2012 10:29 am

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In post 80, SleepyKrew wrote:The problem is that a lot of people (us) want to reward something that's just funny, regardless on if it was good play. A lot of people (us) also want to reward a good play. So the people (we) want two separate awards. Maybe something will win both, that's cool, but not the majority of the time.

If you want to reward funny, then there is the Funniest Poster award. I couldn't even begin to justify a "Funniest Post" category.

Look, the problem was that the "Funniest Role Claim" was a lame category with few nominations and it doesn't really reward good play. Since "Best Role Claim" was similarity a limited category, I suggested combining the two into an overall "Best Moment" category that would include all sorts of good plays, especially ones that are particularly entertaining.

If your argument against that is "Oh no! Funny posts won't get awards!" then piss off.
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Post Post #78 (isolation #7) » Sat May 05, 2012 10:33 am

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In post 83, animorpherv1 wrote:
In post 82, Kublai Khan wrote:If you want to reward funny, then there is the Funniest Poster award.


Body of Work award.

And...?
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Post Post #81 (isolation #8) » Sat May 05, 2012 10:37 am

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In post 85, animorpherv1 wrote:
In post 84, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 83, animorpherv1 wrote:
In post 82, Kublai Khan wrote:If you want to reward funny, then there is the Funniest Poster award.


Body of Work award.

And...?

Rewarding a funny
post
is different than rewarding a funny
person.
Everyone can be funny, but that doesn't mean we're all stand up comedians.

Okay, now your job is to explain to me why we should be rewarding stand-up comedy style single post in a mafia game.
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Post Post #85 (isolation #9) » Sat May 05, 2012 10:48 am

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In post 88, animorpherv1 wrote:Because that person would never get nominated for Funniest Poster ever, but said something so funny/out of context/etc that it's worth a nomination and/or scummy?

Just sig it then.
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Post Post #87 (isolation #10) » Sat May 05, 2012 10:56 am

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In post 92, quadz08 wrote:I really don't see what's wrong with rewarding a funny post, KK. It's not like people are going to start turning games into platforms for stand-up comedy just so they can win this scummy; I just don't think the two categories should be judged together.

If we're rewarding funny posts with no game value, shouldn't we just call the award "Best Fluff Post"?

I'm not trying to be too snarky, it's just that comedy is already rewarded in the Funniest Poster category, which is wisely a Body of Work award. A memorable moment nominee should have great comedy to put it over the top, but at it's core it should be rewarding brilliant play.
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Post Post #90 (isolation #11) » Sat May 05, 2012 11:05 am

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In post 95, SleepyKrew wrote:While I still think they should be two separate awards, I guess I could live with a "Most Memorable Play/Sequence". But not a "Best Play/Sequence".

Fine, that's an acceptable compromise.
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Post Post #237 (isolation #12) » Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:12 am

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In post 236, quadz08 wrote:The fact the Best Role Claim is not a thing is, in fact, a problem.

Not really.
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Post Post #239 (isolation #13) » Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:00 pm

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In post 238, UberNinja wrote:Actually, yeah it is a problem. :(

Along with Funniest Role Claim, it was without a doubt the most fun I had reading through the links on the Scummies wiki page.

I'd link you to the thread where I explain why it's not really a problem and where great role claims can already be nominated for an award
but it's this effing thread.


Save time. Just iso me and then agree and shut up.
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Post Post #241 (isolation #14) » Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:57 pm

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In post 240, quadz08 wrote:There is nothing even remotely resembling that award (or any award that I can feasibly applying to a role claim, for that matter) on that list, unless I have gone blind.

Huh. Okay. That's a very fair point. I thought everyone was copacetic with the discussion's conclusion.

If one of the bite-sized candies doesn't check in to give an explanation in the next couple of days, I'll summon them to the thread with a PM.
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Post Post #388 (isolation #15) » Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:50 am

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Nominees should not be allowed to judge the categories that they are nominated for anymore.
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Post Post #392 (isolation #16) » Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:52 am

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In post 391, zoraster wrote:
In post 388, Kublai Khan wrote:Nominees should not be allowed to judge the categories that they are nominated for anymore.

Theoretically they weren't this year either.

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Post Post #850 (isolation #17) » Sun Apr 10, 2016 2:06 pm

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In post 849, hiplop wrote:thered be like 3 people qualified to judge paragon and I doubt they would want to do it

Wait, how do you know how busy I am? :shifty: :lol:
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Post Post #966 (isolation #18) » Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:49 pm

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Wow, mastina is so far down the path of obliviousness.

Has she ever volunteered to actually judge scummies?
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Post Post #982 (isolation #19) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:09 am

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In post 967, mastina wrote:
In post 966, Kublai Khan wrote:Has she ever volunteered to actually judge scummies?
I made the decision years ago that I wouldn't be qualified for the job. Every year, I check on my skills and abilities, revisiting that stance, to ask if the status quo has changed, if I have improved in the areas I see as necessary for judging enough to be competent at the job.
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Get over it. Judges aren't "the best players on site", they are just the people who've been around a while and volunteered. You've been around almost as long as I've had and you've probably played 3 times as many games. That's all the qualification you need.

Nobody who is qualified to judge the scummies but hasn't should be complaining about the scummies process works.
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Post Post #984 (isolation #20) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:10 am

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In post 983, McMenno wrote:I hate everybody tbh
Extremely qualified to judge too.
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Post Post #988 (isolation #21) » Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:14 pm

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In post 987, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 982, Kublai Khan wrote: Nobody who is qualified to judge the scummies but hasn't should be complaining about the scummies process works.
I don't think that judging the scummies is a prerequisite for commenting on the process. If that was the case, this thread wouldn't exist.
I stand by my statement. If someone who has been here for 6 months asks about why some games win and others don't, then that's a perfectly okay question to ask. But if someone has been here for years and never answers the call for volunteers, then they forfeit the right to say how it could be done better.

mastina is looking for feedback on how she could improve. That is nowhere in the job description of scummie judges. The choice usually comes down to "A, B, & C are all terrific, but I like B best. B is the majority choice? B is the winner."
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Post Post #1027 (isolation #22) » Sun Mar 05, 2017 4:43 am

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In post 1024, LicketyQuickety wrote:OK, so I can already tell this prolly is a pretty controversial idea but what if we had a "Most Feared Hydra" award?
Give it to all hydras because I fear that they ruin games for everyone else.
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Post Post #1048 (isolation #23) » Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:32 am

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In post 1047, hiplop wrote:if they have an unfair advantage they shouldnt be allowed at all

hydras are not an unfair advantage so they are allowed. that means they are one player slot
That tautology is tautological.
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Post Post #1149 (isolation #24) » Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:47 pm

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In post 1056, LicketyQuickety wrote:I might regret this, but I would really like to know why. So far I have gotten answers such as "Hydra's are bad" and "That will limit Hydra participation" and "We don't want to encourage Hydras" then people just saying "Its a bad idea" without explaining why.

No one has yet to actually explain why its a bad idea. They think they know what I am saying, but the arguments against what I suggest doesn't match what I am saying.
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Post Post #1161 (isolation #25) » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:38 pm

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*turns up thermostat surreptitiously*
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