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Post Post #150 (ISO) » Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:49 am

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Vote Count 1.6
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Aj The Epic
L−2
Maxous, Hiraki, Tenshii
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hapahauli, Aj The Epic
Tenshii
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Sobolev Space
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Post Post #151 (ISO) » Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:32 am

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In post 148, Hiraki wrote:
In post 116, hapahauli wrote:I still don't understand why you think AJ had "the worst reaction possible."
In hindsight, the worst reaction possible would've came with a vote. I think we both know that I was active last night and I was waiting to hear more AJ. The following doesn't help his case:
In post 147, Aj The Epic wrote:My entire contribution to this game has gone after people who haven't been playing to a town wincon this game, from Hiraki using weak reasoning, to Temphq being noncommittal to you using spam posts early to try and get a foothold in this game.
In post 117, horrordude0215 wrote:Weak votes are opportunistic and scummy.
I would have unvoted if he had a normal reaction to it.
In post 117, horrordude0215 wrote:(and in fact stated that you agreed with his read on LUV in your very next post)
The game stagnated.
In post 117, horrordude0215 wrote:because it felt like you were pushing Sobolev to the wall in an attempt to get him to out his read on you.
What's wrong with that?
In post 123, Sobolev Space wrote:Tenshii's activity shot down right after people started voting for him.
Everyone's activity spiked down but I also agree with Lil Uzi's 130 (Activity is NAI).

None of this is an answer.
Why
was AJ's reaction bad? Don't just point at posts without explanations.
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Post Post #152 (ISO) » Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:49 am

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In post 147, Aj The Epic wrote:In this post, you point out MAX hasn't answered your questions (and has yet to do so). You got some treatment differences here between players. Explain that.
Maxous showed intent in answering the question at a later point in time. You straight up dodged it.
In post 147, Aj The Epic wrote:Why did I suspect Temp instead of questioning him? Because his post was scummy. I gave him something to respond to, reiterated it. I stated that depending on his next post, he could move it. He never posted again, the vote stuck. Vote first isn't an issue here with a clear-stated condition for what I expect the voted party to show me. And before you pull 'coaching' out of your ass, I was the only one brining Temphq up and forcing pressure on him instead of going after Max's assigned target, schadd.
TL;DR Your vote stays because a slot didn't respond to you. And the reason the slot didn't respond to you is because they went MIA. It's not because they're scum trying to avoid justifying the read like you're trying to make it out to be.
In post 147, Aj The Epic wrote:That's ALL motive hunting. It's contestable, it can spark conversation, it's supposed to ADD TO THE DISCUSSION. Guess who's got the onus to follow up and discuss motives and who fucking drops the ball again and again? My entire contribution to this game has gone after people who haven't been playing to a town wincon this game, from Hiraki using weak reasoning, to Temphq being noncommittal to you using spam posts early to try and get a foothold in this game. Do I NEED to question motives? No, that's shade tossing. I tell you how I see it and I expect you to respond.
So your playstyle is guilty until proven innocent?
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Post Post #153 (ISO) » Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:51 am

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How do you fit three scum into this game...

Tenshii, you don't even consider the possibility of missing it on a read. That's you looking for a guilty on flimsy reasons. Yes my vote stayed on a slot that didn't respond. Please explain to me the part where I am telepathic and knew they were about to flake and how that's a sane/reasonable justification.

Tenshii, my playstyle isn't guilty until proven innocent. Nice attempt to generalize shit again for no reason but to advance your case. You're acting like scum, I'm calling you for it.
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Post Post #154 (ISO) » Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:48 am

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Aj is scum because
1) He's trying to push the Temph slot by painting one of Temph's read as scummy, even though it was NAI.
2) His play can be summed up to "throwing shade around and seeing where it sticks." He isn't trying to actively sort/question motives. Essentially, he's immediately jumping to calling something scummy instead of considering it possibly being town as well.
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Post Post #155 (ISO) » Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:49 am

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1v1 me Aj
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Post Post #156 (ISO) » Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:21 pm

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You're going to continue actively misrepping everything I say. I'm taking both you and Max, wait your fucking turn.
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Post Post #157 (ISO) » Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:23 pm

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No misreps. Just facts.
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Post Post #158 (ISO) » Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:56 pm

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In post 151, hapahauli wrote:Why was AJ's reaction bad?
When was the last time that you made a list on why a vote was bad? AJ isn't some new player.
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Post Post #159 (ISO) » Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:54 pm

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In post 157, Tenshii wrote:No misreps. Just facts.
In post 154, Tenshii wrote:Aj is scum because
1) He's trying to push the Temph slot by painting one of Temph's read as scummy, even though it was NAI.
2) His play can be summed up to "throwing shade around and seeing where it sticks." He isn't trying to actively sort/question motives. Essentially, he's immediately jumping to calling something scummy instead of considering it possibly being town as well.
Misrep 1 and 2. Not pushing Temph at all? And also your 'summary' is absolutely a misrep.
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Post Post #160 (ISO) » Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:40 pm

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1. You are pushing Temph.
2. You say it's not a misrep. I say it is.

This is gonna end up being a circlejerk so anyone who isnt Aj can just reread and see he's scum.
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Post Post #161 (ISO) » Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:15 pm

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Temp ISN'T IN THE GAME. My vote ISN'T ON HIS REPLACEMENT.
Why you lying?
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Post Post #162 (ISO) » Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:04 pm

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Sorry still won't get a laptop until this evening.
I know I have a backlog of quotes to get through.
Vote is still staying on AJ. Nothing in his responses are convincing me to change it.
Uzi is very possible scum too. He's being very non-committal and lurky.
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Post Post #163 (ISO) » Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:30 pm

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I thought Aj was pushing Temph this whole time. My bad.
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Although the latter half of my case still stands.
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Post Post #164 (ISO) » Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:21 am

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It's not your bad.
AJ quietly dropped the read without saying anything and is not painting you as a *liar* for a very easy misunderstanding.
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Post Post #165 (ISO) » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:26 am

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Fucking bullshit. There's a VC right above it, and my mention of Temphq outside of Tenshii's questioning was one post. All I get from you two is blatant manipulation relying on the game's inactivity to pass that shit off as fact.
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Post Post #166 (ISO) » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:53 am

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Nobody here is a mind reader
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Post Post #167 (ISO) » Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:58 am

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I'm not asking you to be a mindreader. There's literally one post of me talking about Temphq without prompt, and a much more recent unvote.
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Post Post #168 (ISO) » Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:29 am

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In post 99, hapahauli wrote:
In post 98, Maxous wrote:
In post 88, hapahauli wrote:1) This vote is "worse" than other votes.
#1 isn't true, since all the votes are identical.
the votes were not identical.

I thought at the time schadd's vote looked opportunistic
Can you walk me through why you thought it was opportunistic?
because Tenshii's vote was a little awkward in a non-scummy way and was the kind of post i would
expect
scum to of jumped on.
which is why i checked his reasoning. Wasn't impressed by the reasoning even though Schadd's later posts have been more town.
In post 119, Tenshii wrote:
In post 50, Tenshii wrote:
In post 44, Maxous wrote:Frankly, that's quite a loaded question.
Why is it loaded?
Maxous answer plz.
this was covered in #47
he was asking me - on page 2 - to explain why i'm NOT scumreading a player..when there wasn't a particular reason why i should be.
the question felt like a trap and considering his later post here, i feel that was justified.
i "killed discussion" because i didn't know what sort of specific answer he was looking for
In post #56 i DO give him the answer he apparently wanted but he's still voting me for "killing discussion" because my first response was confused by his misleading question.
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Post Post #169 (ISO) » Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:53 am

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Based on AJ's recent reactions (trying to go powertown and dictate to everyone who the lynch is going to be), Hiraki's vote on him feels like a weak attempt to bus a partner. If AJ flips scum, Hiraki deserves some attention too.

That being said, we still have a week before deadline. I'm not quite ready to L-1 him yet - we have a lot of day to go.
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Post Post #170 (ISO) » Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:00 pm

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still of two minds about aj.

aj, do you think tenshii is scum?
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Post Post #171 (ISO) » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:03 pm

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In post 169, horrordude0215 wrote:If AJ flips scum, Hiraki deserves some attention too.
says the person voting me
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Post Post #172 (ISO) » Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:06 pm

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In post 171, Hiraki wrote:
In post 169, horrordude0215 wrote:If AJ flips scum, Hiraki deserves some attention too.
says the person voting me
Did you not see where I said I wasn't going to L-1 AJ with a week left before deadline?
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Post Post #173 (ISO) » Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:15 pm

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In post 172, horrordude0215 wrote:
In post 171, Hiraki wrote:
In post 169, horrordude0215 wrote:If AJ flips scum, Hiraki deserves some attention too.
says the person voting me
Did you not see where I said I wasn't going to L-1 AJ with a week left before deadline?
Prolonging the day doesn't do any good. What do you want to accomplish before you put him at L-1?
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Post Post #174 (ISO) » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:16 am

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