Mini 1891: Fat Boy Mafia [Over]

[Firebringer]

whats to go off on? the guy feels very townie?
Do you want me to make a case on why he is town?

I really prefer only making cases on why someone is scum, not why someone is town.

[implosion]

I'm specifically curious what you saw in 452/454 since you implied that you found them especially townish. It's certainly a stance I agree with but I don't see what's especially townish about taking it.

[implosion]

(that is, the stance desperado gives in those posts is a stance i agree with)

[Firebringer]

I'm specifically curious what you saw in 452/454 since you implied that you found them especially townish. It's certainly a stance I agree with but I don't see what's especially townish about taking it.

i just think pointing out that Pine doesn't see himself as a bad player is townish or at least theres no need to comment on it.
I also saw him continuing questions in his ISO about whemestar that made me think he was hunting.
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[Nosferatu]

UNVOTE:
Pers isn't that scummy. Just wrong.

speaking of which,

@pieg: one question for you, how exactly did you come up with the order for the players who hadn't spoken yet in your read list? I'd be willing to change my read based on your answer.

Oh I love appeasing scums! I read activity overview and randomly entered them. How in the world could you consider changing a read based on that?

VOTE: nos

yeah, figures. I was considering that you might've taken from the activity overview which would invalidate my case. Which you just did. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Persivul]

If you think meta is trash, don't make arguments with meta at me on why you are town/scum.
If you think none of your actions are scummy at all, argue that.

but don't entertain me with meta and then tell me I am being stupid for questioning you on it.

I didn't say you were stupid. I said that your question was simplistic, and it was. "What's your scum meta" implies that the person has a single town and single scum play style. In reality, most people are more nuanced than that. I wouldn't play a cop the same as I'd play a VT for example, yet both are town.

Could you honestly answer the question

What's your scum meta

in a way that captures the differences between all your town games and all your scum games, yet isn't ambiguous to the point of being meaningless?

If so, let's hear it.

[Persivul]

I could see myself lynching Persivul over Firebringer if they decide to 1v1.

Same, don't like his push on fire really

Except...I haven't pushed fire.

[-Grey-]

I could see myself lynching Persivul over Firebringer if they decide to 1v1.

Same, don't like his push on fire really

Except...I haven't pushed fire.

DID YOU JUST CALL MY BOY FIRE SCUM?!

[Persivul]

@alz you should mention names in your posts, they're a lot harder to read/follow especially at a glance when you're just listing numbers.

I don't know what to make of persivul. His recent play is very opaque. I dislike the degree to which he's focused towards firebringer, and some of his posts towards him have felt viscerally scummy but I can't really justify why. Like 496. Just a really... idk, weird response. Not really productive, not relevant to the game, idk. And the way he talked about how he wouldn't push an easy mislynch as scum. I think he's telling the truth but it feels off. It feels like he's being too dismissive and that he's focusing his attention in fb's direction to the detriment of other directions (similar to what I criticized desperado of, but he is doing other things). I still think his early play reads gut town even taking experience into consideration (it's certainly fakeable but i think it's a little more likely not to be faked).

You don't know what to make of me...yet you speak of me in the third person instead of trying to interact. I don't know what to think of fire, so I interact with him...and you criticize that. Can't say that I agree with your approach.

[Nosferatu]

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Pine wagon is bad-mainly because however we look at it, we're gonna be policy lynching him 'cause we can't read him. I dunno if it's a mod given post restriction or pine's just doing it not to be read, but it's dumb to lynch him.

SO you think, implosion just has a mistaken town read of Pieg which pieg is trying perpetuate? What do you make of Pieg's second reads list-where even though he says implosion has been great so far, he has him much lower down.

Why do you consider desp towny?

See, this is what I find weird. Implosion's last post was kinda sounded genuine, explaining his motivations on pieg. But his previous ones supporting pieg, pieg's reinforcing of that idea and his reads list where implosion is lower down all give off bad vibes to me. I'm really confused especially after implosion's last post.

Yeah, that was pretty much the idea. I didn't think very much of his next read list, didn't see any interactive connections it had with implosion. I think imp's posts are all pretty genuine though. Feel free to push your bad vibez tho

[TwoFace]

why doesn't grey have more votes on him?

[Nosferatu]

why doesn't grey have more votes on him?

this can be arranged
VOTE: grey

[WhemeStar]

why doesn't grey have more votes on him?

He's town???

[TwoFace]

Nah he isn't

[Persivul]

why doesn't grey have more votes on him?

Can you link to his scum game where his reaction to being wagoned was similar to this game?

[TwoFace]

Why would I do that?

[Persivul]

I thought that was part of your argument on him.

[Persivul]

See 248 and 251

[TwoFace]

I thought that was part of your argument on him.

Nope. I never use meta for a reason to read somebody.

You tried to influence my read on him off meta and I did say I would go look at that past game but haven't had time. But in reality it probably wouldn't matter much cause I don't like using meta.

He's scummy this game and I think he's scum. I've not seen anything that makes me change my mind.

[Nexus]

Stomping through the entrance to Sainsbury's, Fat Boy grabbed a basket. He started walking through the shop, before stopping and rotating. Heading back to the trolley park, Fat Boy dropped off his basket and returned with a trolley. He then beelined for the cooked meat isle, grabbing two Ginsters Cornish Pasties, a Sausage Roll and three packs of honey roast ham. Pausing for a second, he then headed to the hot chicken counter. "Can I have two southern fried chicken breasts, a hot 'n' spicy chicken wing pack of five, and a chinese chicken kebab, please?"

The counter assistant grabbed Fat Boy's food and sealed it up. Fat Boy nodded and then peeled open the first pack. "Sir, you'll have to pay for those!"

"I know, I'll keep the packet," replied Fat Boy as he walked away.

Votecount 1.9:

pieg (4)

- massive, Alz, Whemestar, Persivul

Nosferatu (2)

- pieg, implosion

-Grey- (2)

- TwoFace, Nosferatu,

Desperado (1)

- Pine,

implosion (1)

- PranaDevil

Firebringer (1)

- -Grey-

PranaDevil (1)

- Desperado

Not voting (1)

- Firebringer

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is at 6am GMT on Friday 24th March 2017. (expired on 2017-03-24 06:00:00).

[Persivul]

Prana ISO:

13 - RVS vote
25 - cutesy self-vote
28 - more fluff
158 - excuse not to post
394 - excuse not to post
409 - votes implosion based on bad vibes. Also feeling bad about pieg and pine.
461 - more excuses for not posting

Seems horrible, but there's a big BUT: I agree with all of those positions in 409. Implosion and pieg aren't controversial, but pine is to some extent.

Null/town for now. Need more content.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Nosferatu

[TwoFace]

i am so lost. outside of grey I have no other scum reads. We have 8 more days left? jesus can we put this day out of it's misery? I'd rather take time and read at night and see what I can find after a flip.

[Firebringer]

If you think meta is trash, don't make arguments with meta at me on why you are town/scum.
If you think none of your actions are scummy at all, argue that.

but don't entertain me with meta and then tell me I am being stupid for questioning you on it.

I didn't say you were stupid. I said that your question was simplistic, and it was. "What's your scum meta" implies that the person has a single town and single scum play style. In reality, most people are more nuanced than that. I wouldn't play a cop the same as I'd play a VT for example, yet both are town.

Could you honestly answer the question

What's your scum meta

in a way that captures the differences between all your town games and all your scum games, yet isn't ambiguous to the point of being meaningless?

If so, let's hear it.

If you play Cop and VT differently I think your playing wrong tbh.
I'm not saying you should play same every game but there's definitely going to be similarities.


My scum game? Ummm it's more filler prone. I try to emulate parts of my town game like tunneling and shit posting some would say more shit posting than town. I also tend to get frustrated easier? Or at least get annoyed by people who scumread me because they scumread me every game and then they will show case that game as an example of them reading me right. I also trust claims way more and it shows in the game. As town I am initially skeptical of all clans but as scum I take them almost at face value. My reads are more meta reliant as scum and I prefer to engage with people I played with before than talking to different players. Umm there's more but this is general differences.

[Firebringer]

Ohhh I also talk a lot directly to my scummates in games.
I find that very helpfully when trying to ensure people are trying to associate hunt, they are almost always wrong when they examine who I talked too