The Importance of Transparency, Cooperation & Effort as Town

[Accountant]

I have a policy of always being clear and explaining the reasoning behind everything I do. I never act on gut reads, even though I have them often.

[Accountant]

The question "how accurate are my gutreads vs my justified reads?" can be trivially solved. Just a reminder.

[Accountant]

I ignore gut reads that I can't justify.

[Accountant]

If my gut was really so good at catching scum, it should be smart enough to give me reasons.

[Accountant]

I don't think that logic follows. Being articulate =/= being accurate.

Well, you need both to convince others to lynch.

[Accountant]

Convincing others is obviously going to be pretty hard if you can't explain your reasoning, but that doesn't mean you can't vote based on that.

Great way to make yourself look like someone who stubbornly follows bad gut reads and refuses to give real reasons for their vote, thus making it even harder to push the wagon to a lynch.

It's the sort of player that places a one vote vanity wagon on a player, yell at others for not sheeping them, and then complain that nobody listened to them postgame.

[Accountant]

If nobody else even touched that "vanity wagon", then town actually sucked, not particularly that player.

Uhhhh no

You don't suck for not hopping on an unexplained vanity wagon

And that player sucks for not doing their job and convincing the rest of the town to lynch scum

Town wants to

lynch

scum, not just find it

[Accountant]

But you could just say "I have a strong gut scumread on x but I'm having difficulty explaining it. If a wagon pops up on x, I'll join it."

That's fine. But remember this. Gut reads do not materialize from thin air. They are an expression of your subconscious mind trying to tell you something is off. Engage with X, find what it was trying to tell you, put it down in words and turn that nebulous gut read into a real, firm

case

. And THEN you can start/join the wagon and it will likely attract other players too.

[Accountant]

Most likely/realistically the wagon got a couple votes before melting away to join wagons with actual reasoning.

[Accountant]

First of all, Infinity, how do you think a gut read forms? I mean on a cognitive level, how does your brain send the gut signals to you?

[Accountant]

I thought mafia was a game about arguing

[Accountant]

What I end up hearing from most of the 'argument strength is best!' crowd is that you just have to lynch these people.

ppl who say that are really dumb

BUT

I think not explaining your reads/intentionally being obtuse is definitely scummy as fuck, unless rendered NAI due to established meta.

[Accountant]

like town has no reason to be obtuse about shit barring gambits or whatever. even you, RC, always make it clear "I want X lynched, I think Y is town" even when you're being at your most cryptic

[Accountant]

RC I think we don't disagree about anything substantive here

[Accountant]

Yeah you and wgeurts sort yourselves out. Thanks for the civil discussion.

[Accountant]

First of all, Infinity, how do you think a gut read forms? I mean on a cognitive level, how does your brain send the gut signals to you?

Well obviously there's some way it happens. And sometimes you can find that way. But sometimes you can't, and that doesn't mean you throw the read in the trash.

If I can't find the way, why should I have any reason to trust the read? Isn't it akin to a suspicious stranger knocking on my door?

[Accountant]

If your gut reads have been accurate in the past, then yeah you have a reason to trust the read. If they haven't, you don't.

Here's the way I see it.

Your mind is your property. There's theoretically nothing that you should be unable to uncover the root of inside your mind, because, y'know, it's your mind. In this manner, there should be no such thing as an unexplainable gut read. All gut reads should be able to be transformed into accurate, explained reads, which are better beacuse more people will follow you.

[Accountant]

Accountant's wrong, theoretically. Most of what happens in the brain, especially how things happen in the brain, aren't consciously inspectable. That's, uh, why introspectionism is no longer a thing in psych or neuro.

You're positing that gut reads happen in the part of the brain that isn't consciously inspectable?

[Accountant]

Oh. I didnt know that