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Post Post #30 (isolation #0) » Fri Feb 24, 2017 11:12 pm

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I need more tavon Austin in my life.
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Post Post #32 (isolation #1) » Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:55 pm

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Do you guys run pro style or are you mostly spread? AP has run 90% of his runs out of traditional pro style sets, so he's "old school". Might be a fit issue.
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Post Post #42 (isolation #2) » Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:34 pm

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The most interesting thing about the Osweiler thing is that I'm surprised it doesn't happen(in football) more often, because it's a textbook basketball trade - bad teams taking on bad contracts for assets. And maybe giving up a decent veteren with a better contract in return.
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Post Post #45 (isolation #3) » Fri Mar 10, 2017 3:28 am

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Well basketball contracts are 100 percent guaranteed. But still think back to any bad qb that got a second contract basically ever. All of those guys put their teams in 8 digit holes whether they played or got cut.
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Post Post #49 (isolation #4) » Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:41 pm

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Makes sense, underutilized.
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Post Post #61 (isolation #5) » Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:39 pm

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In post 52, ChrisOrmie wrote:What's everyone's team - and after FA so far, what position/player are you expecting them to pick up in the draft?

Might as well start. I'm a Broncos fan, and I still think we need a OT, possible TE, and DL/LB help. Not sure where we go at #20 though.
In post 51, shaft.ed wrote:Not sure how I feel about Eagles WR pickups
Though at least more likely to work out than their recent draft choices
Smith should be decent, but the one I like a lot is Jeffery. Gives the young QB a couple of good targets to aim for at least.
Seattle. We got Luke Joeckel on a "prove it" deal but he's just a bad player. We need offensive linemen....like yesterday. We passed on all the good guards. The tackles sucked(that kalil deal lolo get rekt reck), and our center is actually decent. If we could get a little young on the DL and maybe get a CB to go opposite Sherman that would be icing, but we need at least 2 tackles. Both guards were rookies, and could improve(also I think Joeckel switched to guard too) but we need two tackles right now.

Walterfootball has the seahawks grabbing Jabrill Peppers as a do-everything defensive swiss army knife. Which if he really could play 3 different positions, I'd be totally fine with, but yo, we need linemen so BAD. So I'm hoping to see a combination of 2 or 3 of Cam Robinson, Ryan Ramcyzk, Garrett Bolles, Julie'n Davenport, Javarius Leamon, Will Holden, and David Sharpe. Only guys I would want to see in the first round that aren't a tackle is Peppers mentioned above and Obi Melifonwu
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Post Post #62 (isolation #6) » Tue Mar 14, 2017 5:47 am

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Eddie Lacy :(
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Post Post #64 (isolation #7) » Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:08 am

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Idk, we grabbed an underachieving power back from a cold weather team before and it worked out so hopefully it'll be beast mode 2
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Post Post #69 (isolation #8) » Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:39 pm

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No reason to move from Jimmy; Mitch, Watson, and Kizer all suck. Mahommes might not suck?
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Post Post #70 (isolation #9) » Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:40 pm

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Reportedly Eddie Lazy is around ~270 right now.
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Post Post #80 (isolation #10) » Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:08 am

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What's with the Belichick leaving with Brady rumors? I don't buy it.
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Post Post #90 (isolation #11) » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:18 am

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That's fair, but still, 65 isn't wildly old compared to most of his peers. He's not even the oldest coach. Carroll, Arians, Caldwell, and Fox are all around the same age.

Most shocking development in me looking up coach ages - Andy Reid is not a top 5 oldest coach. Also if Jon gruden came back he might not be in the top 15.
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Post Post #93 (isolation #12) » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:09 pm

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Yo, he's a slam dunk if you sign him.
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Post Post #99 (isolation #13) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:31 pm

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Even if he's retired?
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Post Post #101 (isolation #14) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:02 pm

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Is it on the cap if he's retired tho?
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Post Post #104 (isolation #15) » Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:51 pm

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Something something free agency isn't over, something something draft something something 5 months away
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Post Post #114 (isolation #16) » Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:41 pm

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Yeah, I can get behind a "let's spend the weekend in vegas then go to the game" loss of home field advantage theory. Especially cause it's hella cheap in december and kinda november too.
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Post Post #117 (isolation #17) » Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:07 pm

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yeah but Oakland and San Diego are in the same region. The team in that division that is half way across the country is KC. You can't even get a flight out there without a big layover. Like if the Division was Oak, SD, DEN, LV, that's a regional division. Or I guess LA now. LA, OAK, DEN, LV would be nice, esp cause LA got hella non stop flights.

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Post Post #119 (isolation #18) » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:13 pm

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But for the same reason you guys would, is the same reason Denver Fans, KC Fans, the Nonexistant Charger fans, or whoever else you guys play 2 years from now would. Vegas is dope, and football is also dope.
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Post Post #139 (isolation #19) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:08 pm

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In post 134, ChrisOrmie wrote:Yeah nothing sketchy about him and his phone... nothing at all. Patriots are good boys!
Alright, let's use our imaginations. If you had a super model wife and were on the road consistently, and couldn't see her, and anything on that phone pertaining to her on your phone could be sold to media outlets(because she is both more famous and wealthy than you are), would you give an organization who is plagued with "leaks" your cell phone? I'd fucking put that thing in a box in the bottom of the ocean where the only way you could get it is if you were motherfucking Jacques Cousteau.
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Post Post #143 (isolation #20) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:11 pm

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Post Post #152 (isolation #21) » Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:31 pm

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In post 151, AGar wrote:
In post 124, T-Bone wrote:Do you think a player can't hire a prostitute in Tallahassee?
Have you BEEN to Tallahassee? There ain't shit there, brah.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_State_University

you can definitely hire a hooker in tallahassee
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Post Post #166 (isolation #22) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:36 pm

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QB A: 124 starts, 65.5% completions, 32344 yds, 208tds, 128ints, 260 sacks, n/ya7.08, 93.7 rate. 1 ring, 4 pro bowls, 2 all pros, 2 MVPs.

QB B: 156 starts, 65.3% completions, 34183 yds, 248 tds, 117 ints, 248 sacks, n/ya 7.09, 97.7 rate, 4 pro bowls.

QB C: 169 starts, 65.3% completions, 33124 yds, 232tds, 107 ints, 356 sacks, ny/a 6.89, 96.8 rate 3 sbs, 3 all-pros, 7 pro bowls.

Would you rather have A, B, or C? (Don't cheat and Google it, you cheeky fucks)

Only caveat I'll add is players A and C won all their accolades (mvps, sbs, all-pros) prior to 4 of the best QBs of all time starting their careers, player B did not have that luxury.
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Post Post #168 (isolation #23) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:45 pm

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I added a 3rd option.
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Post Post #173 (isolation #24) » Sat Apr 08, 2017 10:59 pm

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A is Hall of Fame Quarterback Kurt Warner. C is Steve Young. B is Romo.

Romo's stats are straight up better than Warner's, but Warner had the benefit of winning 2 MVPs(and All-Pros) while Peyton was very very young and Brady's first year was Warner's second mvp year. The top 5 QBS statistically in 1999: Warner, Steve Beuerlein, Jeff George, Sophomore Peyton Manning, Brad "second worse SB QB ever" Johnson. 2001, the competition wasn't much stiffer; Warner, Gannon, fucking jeff garcia, farve, Steve McNair.

Let's go to Romo's best 2 years, 2014 and 2011. Romo had a better QBR and Passer Rating than anyone and threw further on average than 3 of 4 of his fellow top 5 QBs. Those QBs? Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, PRIME Aaron Rodgers, and Drew Brees. All surefire Hall of Famers, and possibly the 4 best ever I might add. In 2011, same top 5 prescence among 3 of the same names, except EVEN MORE IN THEIR PRIME(Matt Stafford in the 5th spot due to Peyton being out with a broken frickin neck).

If Romo's prime was 10 years earlier, he'd have easily surpassed Warner's numbers. Oh, and might I add, he's basically had no help at WR. Arguably Miles Austin is the best guy he ever threw to unless you are putting a lot of weight on like...all 8 healthy games Dez Bryant had or are gonna say his real best receiver was Jason Witten, which probably helps prove my point. His passing stats aren't that far from(and also kind better than) Hall of Famers with similar career lengths. I'm not saying he's in, but I'm saying the conversation isn't as ridiculous as people are making it seem because he's Tony Romo.
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Post Post #178 (isolation #25) » Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:30 am

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Yo, Passer rate isn't effected by era. neither is QBR.

@KMD, yeah, I totally forgot he had 3 years of late career TO, my bad, he only MOSTLY passed to nobody.
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Post Post #180 (isolation #26) » Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:18 pm

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How does everyone feel about Terrell Davis being a hall of famer?
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Post Post #182 (isolation #27) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:40 am

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at Running back? I feel like this is because he had a 2000 yard season, but does that mean that CJ2K gets in too?
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Post Post #186 (isolation #28) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:21 pm

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In post 184, ChrisOrmie wrote:NFL MVP, 2 Super Bowl rings, and a Super Bowl MVP... yeah TD deserves to be in the HoF.
Why do we have to induct John Elway twice?
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Post Post #188 (isolation #29) » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:40 pm

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Once for being great and once for giving Davis 2 rings
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Post Post #192 (isolation #30) » Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:11 am

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But like...what numbers? Career TDs? He played in an era where that was more plentiful and still didn't surpass a guy like Brandon Jacobs who only started 49 games. If you prorate it out to 96 (the number of starts Shaun Alexander had) you get 74 or 26 short of Alexander. Y/a is 4.6, but that's about where most very good guys land. He has the same y/a as Ahman green. A little more than Alexander and Holmes. 2k season? CJ2K. Is he going in? Idk man...he's a weird spot and better guys could go ahead of him. His yds/g are very impressive but it's skewed in that he had 4 years of prime then basically never played again.
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Post Post #194 (isolation #31) » Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:01 am

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Tbf though, cj2k has like 30 more starts and 20 less y/g...but I'm full agreement that neither should be HoF.

Edit: I just feel once you put TD in the hall you really start opening the flood gates at RB. There's a handful of guys that I would say are better than TD but not deserving of the hall but now they should all go in
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Post Post #196 (isolation #32) » Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:05 pm

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Yeah, that'll help, but look at who's NOT in. Not in any particular order but all people I see ahead of TD that are currently HoF eligible: Priest Holmes(a better short career guy imo), Shaun Alexander, Edgerrin James, Corey Dillon, Fred Taylor, Jamal Lewis, Warrick Dunn. Ricky Williams (another short career guy I'd put over TD - also Ricky missed 1/2 his prime years).

Once CJ2K finis he's up, I'm assuming he'll still be behind at least half the guys mentioned above, and also have to wait in line behind Adrian Peterson(likely first ballot HoF), Steven Jackson(11,500 rushing yards, 69 tds before even considering his pretty solid receiving stats), and Frank Gore (as long as the wheels don't fall off completely and he meets his yearly avgs for the past 12 years he'll jump to 4th in all time rushing).

CJ2K will likely have to wait out LeSean McCoy and Matt Forte as well.

And there are plenty of question marks behind that: Demarco Murray could very well lock in a couple 13-14 hundred seasons in a row in Tennessee. Alfred Morris would need to leave Dallas in short order but he has 5000yds, but is in his year 29 season (he did mostly take last year off though). Bell, Ingram, and Martin all have loads of work to do but plenty of time to do it. Not to mention Zeke.

Lynch is also a wild card, especially if he unretires and runs for anything close to 1300 yds and 13 tds, which will shoot him into the 10k club AND give him 87 rushing tds. If he stays in Oakland for 2-3 years he could finish with 11000 yards and 100tds, which 100% guarantees him a spot imh(umble)o. I don't think he has enough if he stays retired though. Unless they give him TD love.
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Post Post #197 (isolation #33) » Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:05 pm

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Yeah, that'll help, but look at who's NOT in. Not in any particular order but all people I see ahead of TD that are currently HoF eligible: Priest Holmes(a better short career guy imo), Shaun Alexander, Edgerrin James, Corey Dillon, Fred Taylor, Jamal Lewis, Warrick Dunn. Ricky Williams (another short career guy I'd put over TD - also Ricky missed 1/2 his prime years).

Once CJ2K finishes up, I'm assuming he'll still be behind at least half the guys mentioned above, and also have to wait in line behind Adrian Peterson(likely first ballot HoF), Steven Jackson(11,500 rushing yards, 69 tds before even considering his pretty solid receiving stats), and Frank Gore (as long as the wheels don't fall off completely and he meets his yearly avgs for the past 12 years he'll jump to 4th in all time rushing).

CJ2K will likely have to wait out LeSean McCoy and Matt Forte as well.

And there are plenty of question marks behind that: Demarco Murray could very well lock in a couple 13-14 hundred seasons in a row in Tennessee. Alfred Morris would need to leave Dallas in short order but he has 5000yds, but is in his year 29 season (he did mostly take last year off though). Bell, Ingram, and Martin all have loads of work to do but plenty of time to do it. Not to mention Zeke.

Lynch is also a wild card, especially if he unretires and runs for anything close to 1300 yds and 13 tds, which will shoot him into the 10k club AND give him 87 rushing tds. If he stays in Oakland for 2-3 years he could finish with 11000 yards and 100tds, which 100% guarantees him a spot imh(umble)o. I don't think he has enough if he stays retired though. Unless they give him TD love.

I just don't see any reason to give it to TD when we seemingly already have a logjam at RB AND they need to get these receivers in as well. Isaac Bruce, Moss, TO. And you then you got Holt after that. And a whole host of playing/recently retired guys.
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Post Post #199 (isolation #34) » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:14 am

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Do I think Charles deserves over TD? Sure. Over CJ2K? No. Going into year 31, and gonna be on a snap limit, so I think his stats now are final. Are his stats now good enough? Not imo. But he does have a injury short career guy argument but no rings(unless you count every fantasy football championship he won in 2013)so it's rough no matter what crowd you're in.
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Post Post #203 (isolation #35) » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:19 am

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In post 201, Bella wrote:The tragedy of Aaron Hernandez came to a fitting end. May God have more mercy for you than you showed Odin Lloyd.
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Post Post #211 (isolation #36) » Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:59 am

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No trade mock cause i don't have time for that shit.

1. CLE - Myles Garret
I think I agree with Warren Sapp, but I doubt the browns do, and I think he'll be the guy in a weak draft.

2. SF - Solomon Thomas
This could be anybody, but I think it should this guy.

3. Chi - Jamal Adams
Weak Draft, Mike Glennon, he's the guy.

4. Jax - Leonard Fournette
They need a running game to help the hapless Blake Bortles

5. Ten - O.J Howard
Weapons for Mariota and he has higher upside imo.

6. NYJ - Malik Hooker
This is the spot most rumored to be a trade(to CLE to grab Trubisky, but if they don't it's best player availible without a recent shoulder injury.

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LACh - Jonathon Allen
Best Player available and the chargers are too stupid to care about injuries or good business decisions, they'd prefer Malik Hooker tho.

8. CAR - Christian McCaffery
All reports say they love this kid and he's a playmaker, so I think this is what we're gonna get.

9. CIN - John Ross
They already have AJ Green so Mike Williams is a non-starter, and they wanted Will Fuller last year. They get a better Will Fuller this year. Good things come to those who (are forced to) wait.

10. BUF - Marshon Lattimore
They replace Gilmore with the best corner in the draft.

11. NO - Marlon Humphrey
Better prospect then the pass rushers, so they go DB.

12. CLE - Mitch Trubisky
They will probably get him at 6 and not 12, but he goes here.

13. ARI - Reuben Foster
Cardinals are unphased by guy who have red flags. I think he's the pick despite Reddick having been getting momentum lately.

14. PHI - Derek Barnett
Eagles need an edge rusher. They find one

15. IND - Charles Harris
Next best pass rusher goes to the next team that needs it, although these guys need everything.

16. BAL - Mike Williams
They are more than happy to find that Wallace has dropped to them, the take him with open arms to replace Boldin.

17. WAS - Haasan Reddick
They pick the next LB

okay lunch is running out the rest are not explained or labeled by team

18. adoree jackson cb/kr

19 Corey Davis wr

20. Cam Robinson ot

21. J.J Watt's brother

22. Dalvin Cook

23. Jarrad Davis lb

24 Zach Cunningham LB

25. Pat mahommes cause these guys are fucking retarded.

26. Garrett Bolles OT WEEHAH

27. Forrest Lamp g/c

28 that taco guy

29 Joe mixon rb

30 David Njoku TE

31 Jordan Willis LB

32 Kevin King CB
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Post Post #216 (isolation #37) » Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:23 pm

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WHOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Post Post #217 (isolation #38) » Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:30 pm

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I'm gonna call that 2 for 3.
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Post Post #219 (isolation #39) » Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:39 pm

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[/size]"Wait...let's get this straight....you're gonna give us 2 third rounds...AND A FOURTH ROUND
AND GIVES US THE GUY WE WANT
? Are you sure? Alright write it up, done. *hangs up* We all just got job insurance for the next year boys, we won the draft"
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Post Post #226 (isolation #40) » Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:23 pm

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what is happening?
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Post Post #236 (isolation #41) » Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:07 pm

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12 hrs out from the first round, after catching up on the 2ND half, it feels like some historic fuck ups happened today.
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Post Post #240 (isolation #42) » Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:12 am

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This was some real big reachs and bad trades for mediocre QBs this year. I think historically bad reaches. If the browns suck next year, again, they might be able to pick up Rosen or Darnold and THAT is exciting.
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Post Post #242 (isolation #43) » Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:50 am

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Tennessee didn't trade up for Locker though.. That was just their selection. Same with Ponder.

Tannehill was the same. Although I was ALWAYS shocked that Tannehill was ever considered a top 8 pick considering he was a WR in college. Also I'm not sure he belongs on this list. He's far and away better than all of these guys.

Buffalo actually traded DOWN to get EJ Manuel.

Blake Bortles was just a regular pick as well.

Gabbert is the only one of those that's even close to the level of bad this year has been(and let's keep in mind Watt then wasn't nearly looked at then as he is today, he was the 5TH!!! defensive player taken in that draft and the 2nd d-linemen).

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This is like the Sanchez trade...3 times. In the span of an hour. The context hasn't yet been determined because we don't have the results of each of these guy's career yet or the guy's who the trade yielded yet but it seems bad. The Sanchez trade looks bad, but Cleveland only got Alex Mack and a bunch of scrubs while also passing on Jeremy Maclin.

The Trubisky thing is most immediately bad cause it's 2 3rds and a 4th for essentially nothing(they moved up 1 spot to get a guy they PROBABLY could of got at 3 as long as someone else wasn't trying to trade ahead of them). Mahomes II is a 1st rounder next year for a guy who's a project(and if the corner works out, Mahomes doesn't, and Chiefs suck next year, it's gonna look real bad as soon as next year). Deshaun Watson is MORE WILD. Cause all of this is part of the haul they are getting from the Carson Wentz trade from last year and already includes Cody Kessler, Corey Coleman, Jabrill Peppers, and David Njoku and a first round pick for next year from a team that could realistically suck. I know it's unfair but this is a really REALLY bad spot for Watson where he could immediately be seen as a franchise killer if he doesn't come in from day 1 and win games, more than Mitch and WAAAAY more than Mahomes.
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Post Post #243 (isolation #44) » Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:45 pm

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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SHAWNE MERRIMAN
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Post Post #256 (isolation #45) » Wed May 03, 2017 5:18 am

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I think Chad Kelly can actually be an NFL Quarterback. That's more than I'll say about some of the guys selected before him.

I read some stuff about Charles being a change of pace back for Anderson
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Post Post #258 (isolation #46) » Wed May 03, 2017 8:02 am

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I don't think Lynch is good. And Siemian I think has a low ceiling.
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Post Post #261 (isolation #47) » Wed May 03, 2017 1:09 pm

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I don't know if loaded is the word I'd use. PEG definitely could fill you in better than I can, but I don't buy into USC QBs as a guy who lives in southern california and is forced to watch Trojan football. Rosen is the real deal tho imo. I don't know enough about the wyoming guy, but wyoming and he feels very Blake Bortles to me at this point(big arm, big guy, has "bad decision making", no one commenting on his footwork or release, small school). I'm pretty sure Rudolph and Falk are both Air Raid/no huddle spread guys. Lamar Jackson is being compared to Vick and Cunningham on NFL.com, but there are also a lot of comparisons to Dennis Dixon. Also, guys with his build and skill set have not fared well recently(Teddy B, RG3).

I keep hearing about the Auburn kid, but I don't know enough about him and a really can't find anything beside a highlight reel.
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Post Post #266 (isolation #48) » Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:55 pm

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It's june.
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Post Post #268 (isolation #49) » Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:57 pm

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Zzzzz
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Post Post #271 (isolation #50) » Sun Jun 25, 2017 11:44 am

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it's
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Post Post #274 (isolation #51) » Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:21 am

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It was about american football.

They mention the 1967 nfc championship game, I think.

It was loosely about football.
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Post Post #292 (isolation #52) » Mon Aug 07, 2017 6:42 am

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Seahawks fan. Our team is the circus. Sometimes we are a good football team.
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Post Post #311 (isolation #53) » Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:10 am

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No. This is a lie.
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Post Post #314 (isolation #54) » Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:44 am

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It's been bad for 4 years then . 4 leagues.
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Post Post #316 (isolation #55) » Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:31 am

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I'm tired of having 11 other people in my league =[
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Post Post #318 (isolation #56) » Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:35 am

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Lol, I'm gonna get beat with 10 most likely, anyway. I'd rather at least enjoy myself instead of having to claw and scrape on the waiver wire to have a functional lineup if some gets injured.
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Post Post #320 (isolation #57) » Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:48 am

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10. 10 is fine. 10 is STANDARD. 12 is a crowd. I'd man, I don't like having to be up at 5am on wedsendays after waivers ends to catch things. I like doing it at my leisure. 12 is crowded and is a chore to research that deep. Let's use QB's as an example. Somewhere between 12-24 qbs are going to be on rosters the entire year, depending on how many people stock a back up (normally it's about 7or 8 people) if you have to go to the wire on a qb. You're basically streaming a bunch of bottom league shittos, and best case you are a qb roster filler, but have one less back up for the other spots that are extra deep.

Rb takes it even further. There are 32 starters, with a handful of guys in split backfields. 12 teams x 2 starters is 24, add the 2 backups or so per team, you're wrestling with 12 dudes that need 48 guys with only 32 spots of getting a guy who's a starter.

I'd every time I run a 12, it's half as fun and twice as time consuming.
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Post Post #322 (isolation #58) » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:40 am

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Yeah, 10 is standard for a reason
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Post Post #324 (isolation #59) » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:42 am

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Rather flex downward than upward. 12 is awful.
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Post Post #327 (isolation #60) » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:08 am

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I'd never play with 14. Too time consuming and you're going to be starting backups

And if you're playing g at 12, half your roster aren't even starters.
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Post Post #332 (isolation #61) » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:11 am

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Peg is idiot. This is known.
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Post Post #336 (isolation #62) » Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:11 am

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I think this is a win for everyone? Watkins a shitto, Matthews is good and maybe they can get something out of Gaines and they got a pile picks. I think buffalo did fine here
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Post Post #338 (isolation #63) » Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:23 am

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Popular opinion seems to be only pats can win the sb, but Aaron Rodgers is like Omar from the wire. No one wants to see him coming.
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Post Post #358 (isolation #64) » Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:31 am

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What. The. Fuck.

Funny thing about domestic abuse, everyone seems to always be a skeptic until a Rice/Mixon tape comes out, like abuse can only happen if it's on tape, but everyone was ALL OVER Brady for possibly maybe having some guy deflate a ball like .2 psi under the limit and howled for 4 games.

Zeke should of got indefinite.

This just in, deflating balls is only 2 games worst than beating and molesting women
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Post Post #360 (isolation #65) » Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:05 am

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you trust police investigations, which have been known to tamper with evidence to protect athletes, universities and, and people with power in general(i.e florida state athletes, baylor, ect)? Who's the real fool?

I trust that the NFL, whom employs former FBI investigators and is determined to get something right for once so it doesn't blow up in their face like Rice, did their due diligence here.

Also between the molesting of that girl in march and the recent altercation he had in a bar, I'm willing to make a "history of violence" bet here.
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Post Post #367 (isolation #66) » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:22 am

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It's okay, we get what we really wanted anyway. Dez vs Brandon Marshall. Weehaw.
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Post Post #369 (isolation #67) » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:57 am

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They are older than ever!
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Post Post #375 (isolation #68) » Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:58 am

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HOGAN!@! and AmENDOLA@!!!
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Post Post #436 (isolation #69) » Sun Sep 03, 2017 3:53 pm

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@drealmers, you said that you're only talking about an individual player and an individual pay raise, but that's not how salaries work. That's actually the exact reason why companies tell you NOT to talk about how much you make because companies don't want you to know how much you are worth so they can give you less than you deserve. In sports, everything is publicized, so you know exactly how much someone is worth. So all these salaries are connected(just like the real world) so it's impossible for you to have the discussion about an "individual player" because that player sets a precedent, especially one that is a) the best player in a dying position and b) a hybrid athlete that is on the cutting age of how his position will be played in the future.

How did you feel about David Carr holding Oakland hostage at the beginning of the summer to become the highest player ever at the time? or the two guys who signed bigger contracts after saying they'd walk if they didn't get extended?

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In post 428, T-Bone wrote:Yeah well...none of that really holds up.

He's consistently improved as a quarterback since 2012, so his skill set isn't the issue.

You could maybe argue that he was unhappy on a terrible team and decided to try something different...

But there is no evidence to suggest that any team would lose out by having him on the team. Former players have said he wouldn't affect locker room chemistry. Ticket sales are pretty much set in stone, ad revenue is set in stone. Fans who would get upset about his presence are probably not the fans spending money anyway.

The only explanation is that he is being punished for his cause itself.
Ironic you started this post with "well none of that holds up" because nothing that came after it did either. He has NOT consistently improved since 2012, it's actually quite the opposite, he's regressed considerably since defenses started figuring out the read option. ALL his stats are down. He's being sack more, his QBR is lower, his average yards per attempt is way down, his accuracy is down below average. In fact, his career numbers look similar to Matt Moore's except he's considerably less accurate. The guy looks like a back up essentially(aside from probably having better stats than the VERY VERY worst of starters, here's looking at you, Bortles) and it takes looking no futher than one Tebow, Tim to understand why teams are hesitant to sign back up QBs that can't essentially become anonymous on the sidelines. Not only that, but he's a QB that requires a specific offense to operate(a spread that incorporates read options) so unless you're a)already running one or b) comfortable with installing one, it's gonna be bad fit. And on "he could start on the Jets/Browns" well yeah, he probably could, but both those teams are tanking. A tanking team doesn't want Kaepernick. Too expensive and too good. They want to accomplish two things, see if their young guy is the answer and lose a bunch of games. If he is the answer, than draft help, if he isn't then draft a new guy.
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Post Post #439 (isolation #70) » Sun Sep 03, 2017 3:59 pm

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In post 437, T-Bone wrote:I was citing Cian Fahey's analysis of Kaep, which I trust, when I was saying he's gotten better.
The stats say he's wrong.
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Post Post #441 (isolation #71) » Sun Sep 03, 2017 4:07 pm

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https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... epCo00.htm

all the stats are down bro. i get your boy loves him, but all the numbers are down.
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Post Post #446 (isolation #72) » Sun Sep 03, 2017 4:11 pm

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In post 443, T-Bone wrote:I'd say read these which highlights some other stats.

http://presnapreads.com/2017/07/30/coli ... oe-flacco/

http://presnapreads.com/2017/06/27/coli ... o-winning/

Yeah, Cian is high on Colin, and that might turn people off. But the stats he cites tells the story of at the very least a league average QB who has shown the ability to get better.

Kaep lost more completions to receiver error than any other player in the league. He was 8th best at not running into sacks, league average on intermediate throws. These aren't stats of a bad quarterback.

Maybe you don't like Cian's visual scouting, but you can't argue with things like these.
I'm not reading or looking at stats from your boy. Sorry. Reliable stats sites only.
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Post Post #450 (isolation #73) » Sun Sep 03, 2017 4:15 pm

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I'm citing his completion % index, his QBR, his ANY/A, Sack %. Stats that actually matter. The dude has regressed in every stat that matters and is below average in just about everything.

Reliable sites only please. I've never heard of your boy's site before today, it could be the breitbart of sports, for all I know. Use a real website. If you have something from a site that anyone has ever seen before, I'll be happy to look.
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Post Post #456 (isolation #74) » Sun Sep 03, 2017 7:18 pm

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I honestly thought he'd be Seattle's back up, but the money seems just way too high.
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Post Post #459 (isolation #75) » Mon Sep 04, 2017 1:24 am

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Please refrain from posting fictional stats.
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Post Post #462 (isolation #76) » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:29 am

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I never once used yards as a metric. Nice try though.
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Post Post #479 (isolation #77) » Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:04 pm

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No, he's saying the parameters of a stat need to be clearly defined or it's not a stat, it's fiction.
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Post Post #560 (isolation #78) » Fri Sep 08, 2017 3:27 pm

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Uhh....
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Post Post #572 (isolation #79) » Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:13 pm

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these no calls man. fuck lambeau
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Post Post #575 (isolation #80) » Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:25 pm

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In post 573, Wraith wrote:the Rams suddenly seem like a sneaky contender

Luck-less Colts are absolute trash.
idk man, you undermined your own point.
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Post Post #576 (isolation #81) » Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:27 pm

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that was a really really trash call.
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Post Post #578 (isolation #82) » Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:33 pm

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he's soooo much of the cap tho.
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Post Post #580 (isolation #83) » Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:37 pm

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yeah, that's true, but the cupboard was bare cause they couldn't keep anyone from the manning run. That's why they have no line and no defense.
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Post Post #584 (isolation #84) » Sun Sep 10, 2017 1:35 pm

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Luck is fine. Hard to "get the ball out early" when you got 4 traffic cones for an offensive line
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Post Post #588 (isolation #85) » Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:55 am

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I'm up 2 rollarsď
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Post Post #597 (isolation #86) » Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:58 am

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Inb4 brissett torches arizona.
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Post Post #611 (isolation #87) » Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:52 pm

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Chargers will blow the doors off them.

Also, poor Joe Thomas.
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Post Post #628 (isolation #88) » Wed Sep 20, 2017 12:05 am

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In post 625, TwoInAMillion wrote:I'm just saying, Eli ain't great, but he is probably better in the playoffs than Peyton who is considered a top 5 all time qb.
Well, one of those is due to "the luckiest play in NFL history", per Eli himself.
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Post Post #642 (isolation #89) » Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:09 am

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In post 638, TwoInAMillion wrote:A qb with two rings is more important than a wr with two rings.

Okay but what about a quarterback with 2 rings and better numbers in basically every statistical category? Cause like...that's Peyton Manning. You dumbass.

Eli is the next Jim Plunkett.
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Post Post #645 (isolation #90) » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:09 am

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In post 643, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 642, PJ. wrote:You dumbass.
He's wrong as shit but that was a bit uncalled for.

Shame on me.
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Post Post #647 (isolation #91) » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:59 am

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McNabb wasn't mediocre...

His average comp% throughout his career was about league average for a starter but his AY/A was through the roof, meaning he was throwing deeper than most other people each year he played, So he was throwing further than most players on average and was essentially completing those harder passes at a league average clip. This was how he played throughout his entire career essentially.
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Post Post #654 (isolation #92) » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:26 am

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In post 650, Thestatusquo wrote:You're also overselling his completion percentage, which was not league average but was instead varying levels of bad. He only finished 2 years in his career with a completion%+ of over 100 (where 100 represents league average.) He was instead anywhere from 5-10% worse than league average over his whole career.
right, he hovered at about 96-99 and never hit the lows of say...Eli. and his AY/A+ was consistently above average. Sometimes far above average.
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Post Post #656 (isolation #93) » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:35 am

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McNabb is not mediocre. That's it. That's my entire argument.
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Post Post #658 (isolation #94) » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:50 am

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I'm of the opinion that Reid is mediocre.

and at least now we know this is about him not knowing football could tie, which isn't a big deal.
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Post Post #671 (isolation #95) » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:13 pm

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In post 669, TwoInAMillion wrote:I think it's a case of two teams with bad defences making each others offences look good.
I don't think the Rams defense is bad thoigh.
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Post Post #674 (isolation #96) » Fri Sep 22, 2017 2:28 am

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I reckon Zito would be screaming super bowl if Watson does anything close to that on Sunday against the pats.

But right now only one person is screaming for watson

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Post Post #690 (isolation #97) » Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:15 am

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Bet. How much do I get?
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Post Post #691 (isolation #98) » Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:15 am

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And I'm WEST COAST BB
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Post Post #696 (isolation #99) » Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:34 am

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Sucks for you.
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Post Post #699 (isolation #100) » Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:36 am

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Unless you're local market, it's yahoo only.

I wish the NFL's TV deal wasnt trash. We still only get 3 day time games and the fucking chargers left. Give me my 4th game you fucking fucks
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Post Post #700 (isolation #101) » Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:36 am

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Also..chromecast that shit.
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Post Post #702 (isolation #102) » Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:56 am

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Lol
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Post Post #708 (isolation #103) » Sun Sep 24, 2017 3:30 am

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The picture is fine bruv.
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Post Post #711 (isolation #104) » Sun Sep 24, 2017 3:39 am

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@kmd Image

@Nero London. Also field position. Also Time of Possession. Hard to defend for an entire half. The offense gotta run more than 16 plays. bruh.
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Post Post #729 (isolation #105) » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:59 am

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In post 728, Thestatusquo wrote:Holy fuck Tony Romo is a good color guy.
Yeah man. He's been killing it. MR ENTHUSIASM.
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Post Post #731 (isolation #106) » Fri Sep 29, 2017 5:52 pm

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Dude, he is like..hella good at predicting plays too.
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Post Post #739 (isolation #107) » Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:04 pm

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Re: romo: I think he was perfectly fine. Most years he was like the 5th or 6th best QB in football and all the ones ahead of him are going to the hall of fame. Sometimes you are simply just good and other guys are great. I really don't think there is a complex reason for it.
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Post Post #749 (isolation #108) » Mon Oct 02, 2017 3:21 am

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In post 741, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Well I’ve held on as long as I can. I'm officially panicking about the defense. Carolina was taking huge chunks of yards all game.
If the original Patriots defense was this bad, we'd all be British.
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Post Post #775 (isolation #109) » Mon Oct 02, 2017 3:24 pm

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In post 766, Thestatusquo wrote:^ I can't help but notice that the number of pats fans in this thread is disproportionate to the number of people who actually live in NE.
Also none of them live in new england.
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Post Post #777 (isolation #110) » Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:10 pm

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you live in new york.
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Post Post #781 (isolation #111) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:46 am

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Porque no los dos
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Post Post #784 (isolation #112) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:32 am

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Yo, I'm a Seattle fan...I had to watch my team with THE GREATEST SCORER OF MY GENERATION get sold to the Midwest THEN DRAFT TWO MORE OF THE CURRENT TOP 5 PLAYERS IN THE NBA IN BACK TO BACK SEASONS and have extended success that the team hadn't had since Glove and Kemp aka The Greatest In Game Dunker Of All Time.
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Post Post #792 (isolation #113) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:55 am

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the issue with the browns is the ravens. That was just savage.
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Post Post #797 (isolation #114) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:00 am

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In post 796, shaft.ed wrote:
In post 792, PJ. wrote:the issue with the browns is the ravens. That was just savage.
yeah twas brutal
almost as savage as the sonics going to oklahoma city...
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Post Post #800 (isolation #115) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:06 am

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In post 799, shaft.ed wrote:
In post 797, PJ. wrote:
In post 796, shaft.ed wrote:
In post 792, PJ. wrote:the issue with the browns is the ravens. That was just savage.
yeah twas brutal
almost as savage as the sonics going to oklahoma city...
nah
seattle, actually any city, is better off without a team holding it ransom for huge handouts they can easily afford

this actually brings me to what I really want to talk about: What the fuck is the NFL gonna do about the Chargers?

They aren't making any money off this team. They might be losing it. I don't think they are coming back to San Diego, but something gotta happen man. Maybe move THEM to Vegas and put the Raiders in LA where they belong?
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Post Post #802 (isolation #116) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:22 am

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who cares? they have 16 away games
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Post Post #805 (isolation #117) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:14 am

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In post 803, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:He’ll move them back if he does I’m sure.
why?
T-Bone wrote:The owner will sell the team because he has failed. If I recall correctly, he moved because San Diego refused to subsidize a new stadium (that he can easily afford I'm sure). The data is out there now. There is no reason for a sports stadium to be subsidized by tax dollars, and we're seeing the fallout play out in real time for the Chargers. LA doesn't want them. They barely want the Rams. Now what?
Yeah, we voted against a CRAZY tax bill that was "supposed to only tax tourist"
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Post Post #808 (isolation #118) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:40 am

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In post 806, Thestatusquo wrote:I dont understand why theres always a strong force for moving teams to vegas. Has a professional sports franchise ever actually thrived there?
I don't get it either, but I think the Raiders are confirmed going, I'm just saying they'd be better served putting the Chargers there and changing the name and starting them fresh and putting the Raiders in LA and selling out every week to locals.
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Post Post #819 (isolation #119) » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:58 am

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Again, instead of putting the Raiders there you might as well put the chargers there, they have 0 fans.
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Post Post #829 (isolation #120) » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:56 am

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10 years seems a strech re: chargers. They can't even sell 27k seats reliably. That's gonna be a problem, even with revenue sharing

Hockey is only good when PK Subban is playing.
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Post Post #831 (isolation #121) » Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:37 am

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goalies aren't important.
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Post Post #833 (isolation #122) » Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:47 am

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what the fuck
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Post Post #838 (isolation #123) » Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:10 am

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In post 836, Bella wrote:Moving them sooner means admitting a mistake. The Chargers were a bad team last year. They were a bad team the year before. They're currently appearing to be a bad team this year. Their alleged franchise QB is almost at the end of his career. They'll get some time to rebuild since nothing helps build a fanbase like winning. Plus they're stuck in a temporary home until 2020, in a stadium that's not really designed for pro football. They won't be judged until they move into a proper stadium, with a proper capacity and the proper amenities expected of a modern football stadium.
The thing is, they actually are not that bad. They just get every single bad bounce. And it's not even close. They are 4-19 in single score games since the start of 2015. That's so far away from the average that it's kind of ridiculous.
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Post Post #841 (isolation #124) » Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:39 am

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That's probably true, but I don't really see 10 years making a difference. I know that's ridiculous to say but bad ownership and bad front office means teams stay bad. I think this is the best the Chargers will be unless they luck into another hall of fame running back, better than average QB, and a who's who of underrated defensive stars and serviceable dudes around them. And I think they still got 2-3 more years of Rivers and he's probably not gonna allow them to completely bottom out. 2015 was close but the O Line was incredibly injured and they did get a defensive stud out of it, but they only got the 7th pick last year and used it on a guy with a broken frickin neck. Allen is injury prone, the rookie is probably also injury prone, Tyrell and Benjamin are fine but they are no better than the guys they had when they were a good team(Vince Jackson and Malcolm Floyd) meaning Melvin Gordan is gonna need to be LT-esque and Rivers is gonna have to be young rivers and they need the D if they can't get Allen and Mike Williams going. Gates is STILL stealing snaps from HH. It's a mad house man.
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Post Post #844 (isolation #125) » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:02 pm

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The Rams aren't really thriving either, tbh. It's just not as stark as a team that is tarping sections of a 27,000 seat stadium when they should be playing in a 70,000 seat one(and being thankful that they don't have to move to a silent snap count in their home stadium). I said this in last year's thread but I'll say it again, they had no fans in LA and they alienated the only city that they had fans in. Now they're the Clippers to the Rams' Clippers. There are no Lakers in this situation. Dump the colors, the logo, the name; ship them somewhere that needs a team and start from scratch or send them back to San Diego and condemn Spanos to having to pay for his own stadium(gasp). Either way the owners are gonna be eating a huge lose if they keep San Diego there, at least for the foreseeable future.
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Post Post #845 (isolation #126) » Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:52 am

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Oh, also, I know I'm late, but I am finally a believer in the "Kaepernick being blackballed" thing. Just wanted everyone to know I changed my mind
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Post Post #849 (isolation #127) » Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:09 am

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In post 847, Killthestory wrote:
In post 845, PJ. wrote:Oh, also, I know I'm late, but I am finally a believer in the "Kaepernick being blackballed" thing. Just wanted everyone to know I changed my mind
hed be the best backup quarterback in the league and he'd be a great starter for some teams.
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Post Post #856 (isolation #128) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:40 am

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In post 855, Bella wrote:The way Beckham is sobbing like a baby and holding his ankle in the air suggests that's a serious injury.

And then Eli turns it over.

Are... are you okay, Shea?
Seriously tho, where's shea?
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Post Post #859 (isolation #129) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:52 am

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NYG is gonna finish in last, chargers are gonna finish second t last. Darnold is gonna use his father to demand he not play in New York and opt to stay in his hometown of LA; forcing a trade to LA instead of being drafted to NYG.
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Post Post #861 (isolation #130) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:58 am

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Yes. But mostly it was a joke.
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Post Post #863 (isolation #131) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:02 pm

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It was a football joke. About Eli manning. You idiot.
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Post Post #867 (isolation #132) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:18 pm

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In post 864, TwoInAMillion wrote:You don't know sarcasm when you hear it.
Sorry, you're posting history just makes me dismiss everything you say as lunacy.

And to get it back on to football, I 100% believe that LA is in a better spot. The O Line in LA is both better and actually exist, 4 of the 5 starters are free agents in NY(2 of those free agents and the 5th starter all suck but they are losing to 2 good guys) so they'll likely have 5 new starters next year and only have ~30m to spend. OBJ and Landon Collins are both coming off their rookie contracts so that's gonna eat into that money as well. They still got 2 years of guaranteed money on Eli.
San Diego
by comparison has a line, all their core offensive pieces are coming back next year(the ones that aren't have replacements in line, Williams > Williams, Gates > Henry, Slauson> Lamp), Keenan Allen is low key a super star, Melvin Gordon is better than anything NYG got, they have defensive pieces in place such as Ingram and Bosa and underrated corners Casey Hayward and Jason Verrett. And quite simply, LAC just plain isn't as bad as NYG is. Not to mention that there's a long history of USC QBs being kind of shit when they are forced to play in weather. So if he has to play in New York in the winter, I think it'll go a lot like the last USC QB that started on a team in New York.

But again, I doubt Darnold's dad has the clout of a certain shitty New Orleans QB from times of yore.
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Post Post #869 (isolation #133) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:50 pm

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Or just get homefield advantage. Ain't nothing like playing in 74 degree weather in January. But hey, wonderful strawman.
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Post Post #871 (isolation #134) » Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:00 pm

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In post 870, TwoInAMillion wrote:My point is you don't always get to choose your weather conditions;
My point is you are nitpicking the least important part of that paragraph;

(using a semi-colon to look cool like you, who needs periods anyway)

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Also Darnold has been playing like shit this year(supporting cast is worse but still). I'd much rather have Rosen then Darnold, but Rosen is an asshole apparently. Hell of a QB tho.
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Post Post #885 (isolation #135) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:46 am

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In post 880, Thestatusquo wrote:Apparently all hell is breaking loose with the giants right now.

Good, burn it down.
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Post Post #893 (isolation #136) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:20 am

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In post 889, PokerFace wrote:To be honest, I think giants may need to sack more than just their Coach to get on the right track. A better staff that actually spends picks and money on oline and run game could turn things around for them. 6 games sounds a bit much. I will have to take a look at their schedule to see how many I think they'll get.
They have no money to spend. 30m before the obj extension. They need 5 linemen. Linemen are not cheap.
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Post Post #902 (isolation #137) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:25 am

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In post 894, Thestatusquo wrote:The giants will probably push in next year with roughly the same crew, after that they should blow it up. Lots of money coming off the books.
This is probably the best case scenario, yeah. let all the expirings run out, keep the young good guys draft best guys available(+ a QB hopefully) and then freen agency whatever is left when the team develops.
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Post Post #911 (isolation #138) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:40 am

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In post 906, Thestatusquo wrote:Yeah, though reading the jags boards that seems around the point that they think is right for him too.

Quietly Eli has played quite well this year, under extraordinarily bad circumstances.

Right the problem is the Jags got good all the sudden despite their QB situation and won't be able to draft a QB. Bortles is trash and anyone they can trade for is VERY old. Kirk Cousins seems to be a thing(but all the rumors keep saying San Francisco)? Indy gonna have to cut ties with Brissett at some point.
That Kaepernick guy is a free agent
. Minnasota isn't keeping both Bradford and Teddy B on the payroll(AND CASE KEENUM IS BALLING OUT!!!!!!). Jimmy G is a free agent but like...if he's any good he's not leaving New England, also if he were they would of traded him over Brissett, right? Has 15 years of dominance just made me forget that the Patriots have humans making decisions too? Were those rumors of Tyrod leaving Buffalo true?
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Post Post #922 (isolation #139) » Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:55 pm

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In post 920, pickemgenius wrote:have you ever worked with kids?

holy shit some kids are fucking excellent at lying.

and equating ezekiel elliot to a kid seems fucking asinine.

you're stating this as if YOU HAVE NEVER EVER SUCCESSFULLY LIED TO ANYBODY BEFORE. you're also stating this as if humans are infallible.

Like holy shit. That's just an absurd statement.

If they've got the evidence that he's guilty then suspend him, have him go to court whatever.

Drealmerz is a dummie, but the DA straight said they thought Zeke was guilty but didn't think he'd be found guilty in court (cause dv cases are basically impossible unless you got a rice tape).

Also, let's remember this isn't even talking about the dude he assaulted in July or the girl he molested in March.
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Post Post #926 (isolation #140) » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:34 am

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Dude, we're on the same side but you are coming off like an insane person.
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Post Post #957 (isolation #141) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:19 am

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Kaep was not amazing. He's been average to slightly below average every year beside 2012. That being said, even saying he's a slightly below average STARTING QB means this guy should have a job and he'd definitely be one of the best if not THE best back up in the league. AND A HELL OF A LOT BETTER THAN BRANDON WEEDEN. That's honestly what convinced me that he has a case and that's what convinced me that he was indeed being blackballed. The guys Tennessee worked out were really some putrid level QBs and Weeden being the best of those really speaks volumes. "Here comes Brandon Weeden" are the most terrifying words in sports if he's on your club.

Also, I didn't get the hype to sign Kaep when they were gonna start Hundley until I saw that Bella post, so like, thanks bella.
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Post Post #964 (isolation #142) » Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:06 pm

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In post 961, Bella wrote:I'm not saying he's the second coming of Tom Brady or anything, but based on last seasons stats and the garbage he had around him and bearing in mind he was running an offence that was notionally designed for Blaine Gabbert (who was benched for him yet somehow still has a job in the NFL), I'd argue that putting him anywhere in the 15-25 range in a list of Best Active QBs is entirely reasonable.

The Kaepernick thing is somehting I've seen brought up plenty of places, basically from the standpoint of a) he's a local and b) he's been really good against the Pack in the past. And, y'know, the clear best free agent QB available.
For sure, I was being sincere about not getting the GB needs to sign Kaep now hype until you were like "just in case shit hits the fan on Hundley, they should have kaep instead of just the practice squad guy". Like I figured if they were going with Hundley, don't bother with Kaep(I'm also a bit of a Hundley believer).

My response saying he's not amazing was mostly directed at KTS who said he was amazing.
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Post Post #966 (isolation #143) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:16 am

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I agree(hence why I think the Weeden thing is bullshit), but I honestly think Hundley can be p good and it's better to find out what they have in him now than after the re-sign him in 2 years(or let him walk and become a star somewhere else). And he's 5 years younger than Kaep. And yeah, I think that putting Kaep as the back up to Hundley would be a bit of confidence in case he goes down. The only downside is if it causes too much distraction in a Tebow-esque fashion. That'd really be my only concern with him in Green Bay.
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Post Post #973 (isolation #144) » Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:42 pm

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Kaep not old, tho.
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Post Post #977 (isolation #145) » Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:54 am

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In post 975, shaft.ed wrote:
In post 973, PJ. wrote:Kaep not old, tho.
still
he is the oldest he's ever been
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Post Post #1083 (isolation #146) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:40 pm

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Yeah, Jimmy G trade was basically just to get a two month test run to decide if they want to pay him or pay kirk cousins.

Jimmy takes the L here, not the 49ers, because he might have dealt himself into a spot where he tanks his own value playing for a mostly shitty team instead of riding those 2 good games from 2016. And yeah, Staley broke his orbital bone - not really an eye injury, would say he's out with a face, really - last week so the mediocre o-line will get worse, Thomas got hurt so the less than mediocre d-line is also gonna be worse. Pierre Garcon is still a poor man's Larry Fitzgerald, Hyde is still a sober Ricky Williams(and Shanahan might still hate him), Marquis Goodwin still can only run straight, Kittle and Taylor still suck.
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Post Post #1084 (isolation #147) » Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:53 pm

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Also I have a question for someone smarter than me.

Why did Buffalo trade Dareus in a move that seemed to be geared towards making them worse then trade for Kelvin Benjamin in a move to get better? They needed a wide out, obviously because Jordan Matthews has been nursing a pile of injuries, Zay Jones is a busto; and Deonte Thompson, Andre Holmes, and Brandon Tate are journeyman at best, but why get rid of your all-pro dt if you are trying to get better?
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Post Post #1086 (isolation #148) » Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:21 am

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But they had 40m in cap space BEFORE the move.
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Post Post #1089 (isolation #149) » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:08 am

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In post 1087, Bella wrote:His stats are pretty mediocre and have been for the past 2 seasons, plus he's a malcontent. I don't really fault the Bills for dropping Dareus.
Fair enough. He's still really good. Like his stats are dropping but they are dropping from being the best 2 years ago, y'know?
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Post Post #1094 (isolation #150) » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:35 am

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Rip.

Sorry zito.

8 weeks of SAVAGE.
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Post Post #1098 (isolation #151) » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:52 am

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In post 1095, Papa Zito wrote:fucking lol

At least we get a good draft pick for a tackle ne- OH RIGHT WE TRADED THOSE
Yeah thanks for Brown
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Post Post #1107 (isolation #152) » Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:16 pm

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Poor guy
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Post Post #1118 (isolation #153) » Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:29 am

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Being good at football
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Post Post #1128 (isolation #154) » Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:36 am

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i heard no Jimmy G until week 12, so I think we are getting the last week of CJ B
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Post Post #1181 (isolation #155) » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:44 pm

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I liked Blitz The League alot.
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Post Post #1185 (isolation #156) » Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:03 am

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Also, ncaa 09 was the best football game ever.
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Post Post #1189 (isolation #157) » Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:49 pm

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How does it feel to be wrong?

Play any of the late 00s early 10s college games. They are the best man.
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Post Post #1219 (isolation #158) » Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:13 pm

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Mmm. Some would argue if Cutler ever actually hit "100" also it took him like 2 years to hit "0".

Dak did it overnight, which as T-Bone stated is a product of losing Tyron Smith and Zeke but I think that there is a valid argument that if you are a 0 without multiple top 5 talents surrounding you maybe you were fake 100.
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Post Post #1224 (isolation #159) » Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:03 pm

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In post 1221, T-Bone wrote:Most quarterbacks need talent around them to be successful. It doesn't make them bad quarterbacks it makes them...like every other football player because this is a team sport. Rodgers, Wilson, and Brady are the exceptions, not what we should expect.
FTFY
Thestatusquo wrote:dak hasn't even been bad this year? he's just been not exceptional.
Last 3 games have been p bad.
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Post Post #1228 (isolation #160) » Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:12 pm

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In post 1227, Iprobablysuck wrote:
In post 1226, Killthestory wrote:zeke isnt that good either
Possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard
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Post Post #1234 (isolation #161) » Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:41 pm

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Is jacoby brissett a starting caliber QB?
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Post Post #1236 (isolation #162) » Sun Nov 26, 2017 3:57 pm

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oh, weekly reminder that Deshone Kizer didn't suck!
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Post Post #1253 (isolation #163) » Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:07 pm

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Can you show us? I'm looking at highlights(which sure highlights i know) and I can't see what you're talking about.

Also, I think you are criminally wrong about Manning.Dude's org mortgaged their defense on multiple occasions to surround him with offensive talent.
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Post Post #1260 (isolation #164) » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:11 pm

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In post 1256, T-Bone wrote:Brady has never had to prop up a terrible team.
The 2001 super bowl was ASS. The 2003 team wasn't
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Post Post #1261 (isolation #165) » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:21 pm

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In post 1256, T-Bone wrote:Wilson remains to be seen (I don't think the current Seahawks count as bad)
The offense is JUST him. The line is 29th. None of our running backs have stayed healthy enough or played good enough(fucking fat eddy lacy) to even be qualified for stats. Paul Richardson is playing much better than anyone thought and Baldwin is one of the best slot options in the league, but Lockett has been mediocre at best and Graham is definitively not the Jimmy Graham we traded for. But all those guys obviously rely on Wilson to get them the ball.

Oh and the entire legion of boom is hurt.
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Post Post #1278 (isolation #166) » Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:17 pm

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Post Post #1310 (isolation #167) » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:11 am

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Okay...so why is it not Dak's fault for playing like shit for the last four weeks but somehow Eli's done when he has no line and only one starting caliber wide receiver? I think Eli will be fine in a place that can set him up for success. At least for a year or 2.
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Post Post #1319 (isolation #168) » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:29 pm

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In post 1315, Killthestory wrote:i really like jimmy g as our franchise quarterback.
Very real chance he won't be. Unless you guys franchise tag him or something.
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Post Post #1324 (isolation #169) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:57 am

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The Seahawks ran an improvised speed option. Nothing else matters
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Post Post #1325 (isolation #170) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:41 am

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Also, Wilson should definitely be MVP and I think that him not being WIDELY discussed as the runaway leader for the award is insane
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Post Post #1331 (isolation #171) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:49 am

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In post 1328, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Brady has better numbers on the year.
I was hoping someone would say something stupid like this, because it's 100% not true and I brought stats. Wilson is putting up historic numbers. He is currently breaking the NFL record for percentage of yards accrued by a single player in an offense with 85.7 percent. That means for every 10 yards the Seahawks have gained this year, Wilson is responsible for almost 8.6 of them. If you prorate his current stats to 16 games, he'll have over 4300 passing yards and over 500 rushing yards. Do you know how many players have broken those 2 threshholds in the same year? None. He'd literally be the only one. If he breaks just 4000 passing yards and 500 rushing yards, he'll be the 3rd player ever. And it's not like he only has counting statistics, he's well above average in every advanced passing statistic. And he's doing this without the help of his offensive line, which is 26th in pass blocking and 29th in run blocking. He's also the leading rusher on his team.

Brady, by comparison, is the best QB on the best team. His advanced metrics are higher but not overly so and if you prorate his passing yards(the only way he contributes) to 16 games, he won't even break the top 15 all time. He's also not going to be putting up historic TD numbers. He's simply a good QB on a good team.

Wentz basically the same but worse.

WILSON IS LITERALLY HAVING THE BEST INDIVIDUAL SEASON OF FOOTBALL EVER. He's basically having a friendly, football version of Russell Westbrook's 2016-2017 season. Wilson should be the MVP, and it's not close.
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Post Post #1334 (isolation #172) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:16 am

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It's not a meaningless stat. It means he's the most valuable person on any team in the history of the nfl. He does it 100% alone.
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Post Post #1340 (isolation #173) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:30 am

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In post 1337, Thestatusquo wrote:did you know that Seahawk
And Wilson still provides a larger percentage of yards then brady, zzzz
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Post Post #1343 (isolation #174) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:54 am

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My argument was never that he was playing better than Brady(or at least it never should of been). I don't think I said that, and if I did, I misspoke. My argument is Brady is having a season that isn't great for a passing only Quarterback. Russell Wilson is on pace to literally have the greatest dual threat season ever. Wilson's season is historic. Brady's isn't.
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Post Post #1344 (isolation #175) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:02 am

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Also, did I mention that Wilson's average play has looked like this and Brady's average play looks like the first play of this highlight
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Post Post #1346 (isolation #176) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:16 am

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probably. But like..Watch the games bro. Every play Wilson is in looks like that. Brady's O-line at least plays football.
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Post Post #1347 (isolation #177) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:19 am

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Also that's a strawman on the actual point. Wilson's season is actually historic. Brady's is not. It's not even memorable. he's gonna finish like 17th all time in yards in a season and not break 40 TDS. That's like...an average Drew Brees season.
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Post Post #1349 (isolation #178) » Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:51 am

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Rip ice cream
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Post Post #1381 (isolation #179) » Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:23 am

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I don't think it's gonna need a bridge. I also don't think they are firing hue. I think it's take Rosen and try to make him personable
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Post Post #1421 (isolation #180) » Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:26 pm

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I can't wait for Brady and Belichick retire so LUV can support whichever new York team is better
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Post Post #1424 (isolation #181) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:07 am

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I just hope for poor Zach Miller that they change this rule or define it better.
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Post Post #1425 (isolation #182) » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:09 am

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Like, it's very clear that this rule is being called in a way that far exceeds what it's trying to accomplish, with refs being able to look at the action frame by frame.
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Post Post #1463 (isolation #183) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:28 am

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Seahawks get a bunch of bulls hit called against them. More than they get in their favor. And it's not particularly close. We were on the wrong side of the worst officiated super bowl ever.
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Post Post #1467 (isolation #184) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:33 am

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Wowza, that's not okay say.
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Post Post #1470 (isolation #185) » Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:01 pm

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In post 1468, Nero Cain wrote:I mean it doesn't make a lick of sense and I'm pretty sure that it was just a piss poor attempt at a joke but you two getting your panties in a bunch is hella lame.
Weehaw. Sexist jokes are bad but if you say something your
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Post Post #1471 (isolation #186) » Sun Dec 24, 2017 1:36 am

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Dude, I hope rodgers gets released, holy shit that'd be awesome
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Post Post #1474 (isolation #187) » Sun Dec 24, 2017 5:09 am

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In post 1473, T-Bone wrote:lol Browns.

Josh Rosen is threatening to stay in school if the Browns think they are gonna draft him.
If Darnold and Rosen stay in school that'd be wild. I'm all for that too. People will finally talk about Lamar Jackson! People will try to pretend like Josh Allen isn't Blake Bortles 2.0! Baker Mayfield will for sure break into the first round! Into JOHNNY MANZIEL TERRITORY!!! PEOPLE MIGHT EVEN CALL LUKE FALK AN NFL CALIBER QUARTERBACK!!!! I'D LOSE MY GODDAMN MIND!!!!
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Post Post #1475 (isolation #188) » Sun Dec 24, 2017 5:13 am

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In post 1472, Bella wrote:If Rodgers gets released at this stage, he goes on waivers. So in other words, he's a Cleveland Brown. Basically, if he's released, he retires.
Maybe the browns will fail to get the paperwork in on time and he becomes a 49er!!! And Jimmy G hits free agency!!!!AHHHHHHHHH
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Post Post #1477 (isolation #189) » Sun Dec 24, 2017 5:28 am

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In post 1476, T-Bone wrote:Maybe Rodgers is tired of the Packers hanging him out to dry every season and sabotaged the team so he could be released.
INTRIGUE!!!!

Honestly I just want the NFL to be as exciting as the NBA.
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Post Post #1490 (isolation #190) » Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:14 pm

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At least we can all celebrate the fact that this pats thing will only last a couple more years because they screwed up and traded Garropolo for a 2nd Rd pick.

Then we can watch LUV be a New York-based Rams fan or something in stead of a New York-based pats fan.
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Post Post #1491 (isolation #191) » Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:17 pm

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In post 1478, pickemgenius wrote:
In post 1451, shaft.ed wrote:but that is superceded by rule 1 which is
1) Patriots always get bullshit calls in their favor
That's 3 this year! Dang whoever said Seahawks is probably looking like a real jackass right about now.
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Post Post #1493 (isolation #192) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:08 am

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Post Post #1495 (isolation #193) » Mon Dec 25, 2017 3:24 am

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Right, especially with the Benjamin catch, the rule of "calls can only be overturned if there is
clear and obvious
evidence" is simply not being followed and these plays are being freshly officiated from New York.
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Post Post #1515 (isolation #194) » Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:43 pm

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I'd take Watson over Jimmy G too but like it's pizza and ice cream. I'm not mad either way.
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Post Post #1517 (isolation #195) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:06 am

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Right, and Teddy B and Kaep..I get it's too soon but like...I'd rather have either of those guys than Beathard, y'know?
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Post Post #1520 (isolation #196) » Wed Dec 27, 2017 4:36 am

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to be fair, 6 NFL games is A LOT. Like...6 NFL games is the equivalent to about 31 NBA games. That's precisely the number of games Joel Embiid played last year when we dubbed him the next Olajuwon but with a jump shot(so basically the best big man of all time). 6 starts is roughly 4% of a good quarterback's entire career.
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Post Post #1556 (isolation #197) » Sun Dec 31, 2017 2:01 pm

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Guys.....Nathan Peterman might start a playoff game. I'm so pumped
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Post Post #1585 (isolation #198) » Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:47 am

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Just a feeling tho, right?
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Post Post #1606 (isolation #199) » Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:23 pm

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