Newbie 1781 - Game over

[EccentricLemon]

Is what gave me the scumread on lemon/rb. Basically lemon posts this as we're pressuring rb for a BP claim

Don't put words in my mouth, you were talking about the fact that rb won't say whether he agrees with the idea of

doing

BP claims, and apparently not agreeing was a problem:

Just a little offshoot of this thought - I find it curious that rb was kind of against the BP claim at the beginning and then never confirmed or denied if they are BP or not (considering the fact that our IC would have to be experienced in mafia and would thus know the advantages of this strategy).

I don't necessarily agree that it's right to go after rb for not supporting the BP claim thing.

Which is what I was talking about. I snarled at you for missing a part of my post and you come back with this?
Also: what kind of question is

Are you mafia?

Do you really expect them to answer "yes, I am mafia, please lynch me"?

I have to go

V/LA

for a bit, I have a theory that Sagittarius or rb are scum but probably not both and I'll try to explain why with a longer post. It's less of what they're saying and more of a scum-town dynamic that I'm seeing. Brace yourselves for another confusing as hell post from yours truly.

I don't like Creature's lack of substance and rare posts but I'm reluctant to read him as scum because I've seen town do that before.

[EccentricLemon]

V/LA

by the way please. I don't know if that was apparent or not.

[Fykus]

I look forward to hearing your theory lemon.

[rb]

Sag and I obviously wouldn't be a scumteam based on our interactions. Someone's already said as much too. Man I hate Lemons' last post with a passion as well as the fact they're inactive, then promise content, then V/LA right before deadline.

Literally offering nothing original and almost flaking on the game.

[Tarkus]

Yeah, I think there's scums between sag/lemon/fykus and I want to lynch one of those three. Will come back tomorrow with more.

[Fykus]

VOTE: lemon

[Loopdan]

@rb
Please answer my question in 381.

[Loopdan]

@Creature-- Why does it bother you that I voted lemon instead of another wagon? You've brought it up twice now.

[Creature]

Do you townread all of HighKingDestro, EccentricLemon and Fykus?

[Loopdan]

Fykus=town lean
Destro=scum lean
I'm voting lemon.

[Fykus]

Creature who are your scum reads?

[Creature]

I'm currently at you + Loopdan.

[Creature]

Because everybody else gives me town feelings.

[Fykus]

Care to explain?

[Huntress]

Vote Count 1.11

Sagittarius (2) - rb, Tarkus
EccentricLemon (2) - Loopdan, Fykus
rb (1) - Sagittarius
Pyra (1) - Aatami
Fykus (1) - Creature
Creature (1) - Pyra

Not voting (1) - EccentricLemon


With nine players alive, it takes five votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day One is Wednesday, 22nd March 4.30 pm GMT, (in (expired on 2017-03-22 16:30:00)).

V/LA

by the way please. I don't know if that was apparent or not.

How long do you expect to be on V/LA?

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[Tarkus]

Hey pyra, aatami, lemon: think there was scum on the rb wagon?

[Sagittarius]

I got really goddamn sick so if you need something from me in particular just yell at me

Two days for a deadline doesn't sound too good , sounds like people are still in pressure mode jsntead of lynch mode

For me;

Preferred lynch target is still rb although idk if anyone is on board anymore. bother me for a point by point case, it's not just the BP thing
Fykus is second preferred lynch target, "
can compromise onto Lemon
Will throw a hissy fit if we lynch anyone else. Probably. Idk I'm tired . bye

[Tarkus]

Good point, don't wanna find ourselves in a situation where we rush to lynch someone at the deadline without giving them a chance to make an argument and/or claim. Join me on this?

VOTE: Fykus

[Pyra]

I just realized that Destro voted for Creature and left me with the vote when they were replaced.

As for Tarkus's question, probably I guess. I wouldn't be surprised if mafia was pushing a mislynch the first day although that doesn't mean that I'm townreading rb in any way, either. I'm not really sure what about voting for rb makes the people who did more likely to be mafia. It's still only Day 1 though so I don't really have any definite reads or conclusions based on behavior although I will say that Fykus is ticking me off a bit with the way that he was pushing rb/lemons seemingly only for disagreeing with the bp claim meta stuff and townreading loopdan for no apparent reason other than that we have to read between the lines. He isn't really explaining his reads (or I might have missed where he does) and keeps saying what we have to do if rb and lemon are scum and what made him read them as scum, not why they're scum or what about those quotes that he picked gave him that impression. Also, he isn't really pursuing anyone himself and seems to be instead asking other people for reads and their reasons as it gets closer to deadline. I'm not going to vote them up and give town another person to decide between to lynch, though I will probably do so Day 2 if they're still around.

UNVOTE:

[Tarkus]

kk, who would you want to lynch the most? I get that you're uncertain, it's day 1 after all, but the clock's ticking and we need to rally someone to L-1 soon.

My feeling on the rb wagon is that it seemed like a slam dunk as soon as rb refused to claim, with momentum already behind the "claim or die" idea, and they overplayed their hand.

[Fykus]

Alright sag put your money where your mouth is and put a vote on rb.

VOTE: rb

As for everyone else ill post something properly after work.

[Fykus]

Agree with tarkus. Theres 18 pages for you to examine and at least get a read from. With a couple days until the deadline now isnt the time to be pussy footing around pyra

[Pyra]

It does makes sense that mafia would want to use the bp claim idea to get mislynches out of people who didn't want to follow along with it. Maybe try looking for people who were pushing the idea the hardest (especially the claim or die part)? I don't have any particularly strong feelings about either Sagittarius or Lemon who it seems like the rest of you want to lynch. If it comes down to either one or the other, Lemon seems somewhat more like town to me personally because it doesn't seem to me that they've done anything suspicious or anti town other than refusing to go along with the claim thing and V/LAing (which is understandable) although Sagittarius hasn't done anything particularly bad either. So I guess if I was forced to lynch one or the other I'd rather go for Sagittarius, but idk really. Like I said before the only person that I scum read at all right now is Fykus for reasons that I previously stated, so I'll vote for them for the sake of moving things along (plus, Fykus was a pretty strong advocate for the whole bp claim or you're scum thing).

VOTE: Fykus

[Fykus]

Fwiw the bp claim was my idea. Also it generally disadvantages mafia. The whole thing was thought up as a way to improve town win rates. If youd like to learn more me and ladpool have both posted about it when arguing with rb

[Pyra]

I wouldn't say that I'm pussy footing around, Fykus, it's just that I would rather not push a lynch on potential town unless I'm sure that they're not town. Also it bothers me that you're trying to get Sagittarius to vote for rb without explaining why they should other than that they should put their money where their preferred target is. It seems like you're voting for rb instead of lemon because the rest of us look more likely to follow along with rb and it would be more convenient. I don't know, it just doesn't sit well with me that you aren't committing to one read and switched around to a seemingly more likely lynch and all the while not explaining your switch or why one is better than the other (besides the fact that more people seem to be on board with one over the other). I'll go back and read the posts that you're talking about.