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how do you get a dead person to claim thingsIn post 9823, Leonshade wrote:The info isn't all that useful, and we can make people claim it anyway if we really want to know.trash- Gorkington
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nobody tell alisae that i havent read anything but OP.In post 9836, Alisae wrote:@KidAmn why didn't you read the game over the night?
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@ali, so youre basically saying that you think that scum isnt going to have any idea whats been built so far
and that you think that the build history of players is going to affect that significantly?
the only negative i can really see there is that scum might have a better idea of what kind of stuff they have available to build, but then so does town, no? seems less like a general boon to scum and more like a general boon to all players if im understanding it correctly.
on the other end, if we get a scum flip are we not going to be getting information on what scum has been trying to build so far this game? do you think that information is potentially valuable or no?
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oh god man i wish the slot i'd replaced hadnt done that!In post 9912, CloudKicker wrote::/ your pred was a scumfuck too when he replaced-in
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:/In post 9920, CloudKicker wrote:its funny because your pred did exactly what you are doing rn
fos.cloudkicker wrote:Even if it blocked the kill, you dont count it as a guilty inb4 i get fosed for saying this.trash- Gorkington
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@leon, i dont really know the context of the vote, i have no completed games with gin and dont know what his thought process was in this game.
it would be a pretty pointless exercise for me to try and justify his actions because the only thing that i can really bring to the table is knowing that they came from town.trash- Gorkington
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why is that useful though?
my opinion is inherently skewed in a way thats literally just going to be me saying "yup thats town because reason because i know its true".
theres no objectivity there.
theres also that i feel like its a waste of time to iso my own slot, figure out what the mindframe was, just to justify actions that i will never be able to fully represent properly because i dont know what he was thinking.
you would rather me do that than read other people and give thoughts there?trash- Gorkington
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woah woah woah.
i thought i was your main bitch.
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okay, well, i'll come back and reread that part of his iso when my head is a littleless murky.ali wrote:Leon's Sondam vote screamed scum!Leon and the way he tried to wash his hands off that vote was really optimistic and scummy.
do you have thoughts on his play before that point in the meantime?
possible that im not seeing coasting when im ISO-ing but overall it seemed like at worst, he was maybe disengaged at times, yeah? what makes his play disengaged scum vs disengaged town?nancy wrote:Like his ISO is just bad, he's doing nothing but coasting, he's awful in VCA, his jump on the Sondam wagon was obvscum. I have nfc how that Sondam wagon even happened that was the most fucking disgusting thing I've seen all game.
do you have vca posted somewhere?
do you agree with this?lil wrote:Something about blending in I think.trash- Gorkington
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are there specific posts from his push there that you were reading as scummy?In post 10047, Alisae wrote:D3 his push on Brian came off as manipulative. He was pushing Brian for a hammer when that slot is in general super fucking towny. Brian Skies replaced Drixx D1 who claimed he was going to built pryamids and Brian replaced that slot. Brian has done other things to make me townread him so....Yeah.
can you talk a little bit about them if so?
if not i can stare at those posts some more cause i was admittedly getting a little lazy at that point in his ISO.
beyond his reads/votes, do you think his posting is scummy?
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i saw in my leon ISOdive that the two of you just finished a scumgame so im assuming you would have a little bit of a grasp on how he likes to play as scum, yes?
is this within your expectations of his scumgame or no?
and what do you make of his strong townread on you? is that something that makes sense to you based on your play here vs that game?trash- Gorkington
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do you have experience with his towngame?In post 10051, Alisae wrote:He's playing to his scumgame.
its going to be fun to revisit this stuff when i start spewing town on the thread.In post 10059, Nero Cain wrote:yes
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oh dangit are my posts not seeming very town?In post 10063, Nero Cain wrote:Whats stopping you?
hm.
i'll try and readjust.
do you have any suggestions for me?trash- Gorkington
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i feel like you should know this isnt true.vecna wrote:Gorkington trying out the too scum to be scum approach? Hows it working out gorker?
theres a pretty clear difference between a single tedious question and someone dropping a ton of useless questions.leon wrote:You just replaced in and don't seem to have a read on me, could I not be scum pretending to scumhunt with useless questions?
theres also that im not really sure why youre implying that i didnt care about your interactions with me when youre pretty clearly the first person ive taken time to look at this game?
how many times have you seen scum actually try to do something like what youre describing as an actual strategy vs people generally kidding around?leon wrote:"Why would scum keep doing it if they're getting SR'd for it?"
im looking at your 2010 joindate right now, btw.
did you even read the post that youre referring to here?leon wrote:Forced. How do you know that Ali's reads might be unreliable, if you haven't read the game?
i said i didnt trust ali's nancy read SPECIFICALLY because of how frustrated he was.
how does that in any way translate to me not trusting any of ali's reads?trash- Gorkington
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alisae.
i dont explain
the thoughts
of people i replace.
EVER.
I DONT DO IT.
because that would be
A WASTE OF TIME
and i dont waste my time.
ever.
i dont ever do that.
and fuck whoever asks me to waste MY VALUABLE TIME.
thats right.
i hate you alisae.
i hate you and the horse you road in on.
because you decided it would be a good idea to ask me for my thoughts on my predecessor.
i hope you repent for the rest of your life.
and even then i will never forgive you.trash- Gorkington
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if people are going to vote me because my predecessor did terrible shit, fine.
i cant really argue against that.
if people are going to vote me because im a lazy sack of shit this game, fine.
i can understand that.
but creature's argument for me being the apparent source of the nightkill is fucking terrible.
and if thats a big part of the basis of your vote, then thats fucking weak.
im not going to promise im going to get invested this game because i probably dont have the time and effort to put into it.
p-edit: only lameread i have for scum right now is leon.trash- Gorkington
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it felt like it with how you started pushing me after itali wrote:tbh that isn't the only source for my vote.
But mkay can we talk?
I would really like to talk.
Talking is what cool people do.
What do you think of Vecna?
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i can probably talk more tomorrow night, but ive had a pretty long day today.
vecna's closer to townlean than not.
i can give a lot of words there but theyre pretty lame.
im still kind of trying to digest creature's claim.notice wrote:Glork, do you think Creature genuinely believes his roleblock of you stopped the kill? Do you think everyone who voted after Creature (being LUV and Alisae) believes in that being a hard guilty?
What did you think of Nero and Alisae's back and forth earlier where they voted you then Nero switched to Alisae?
What do you think of Vecna, MathBlade, and Leonshade all voting you together before Creature outed the roleblock?
the way hes been saying kind of softpushing me this whole time while saying hes apparently waiting for reactions seems kind of weird. like, if his intention was purely just to get reactions i dont really understand why he would even mention me before actually claiming me as his target.
i think under different circumstances i would be leaning town on a claim like that, but with no scum flipped, i think its a risk that scum could plausibly take at this stage.
unless theres a way that scum can see all of the wonders that havent been selected yet, hes probably not fakeclaiming having the role at the very least. i guess if hes scum it would be pretty weird to target me? but i guess at the same time i also just feel like the waiting and build-up to claiming target could have been waiting to see who the best person would be to drop on.
i'll probably need to reread it tomorrow night.
nero/ali interaction seemed kind of boring. did you take something from that interaction? because i didnt from what little i remember from it.
and leon/math pushes on me ive already established i didnt like.
theres elements of vecna's engage that give me wonky vibes but his vote isnt anywhere near as bad as the other two's.
lol.cloudkicker wrote:had to say, gork is ugly posting a lot
you have nothing to say on creature's claim on me?
i would have thought a player of your caliber would have been all over that.trash- Gorkington
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i ask anyone to seriously look into how leon has been engaging me so far this cycle and tell me with a straight face that that seems like someone who is trying to sort someone vs someone who is literally just trying to stay alive by finding reasons to call someone scum.
and mathblade totally discrediting that argument by focusing on the tone of my posts over the content feels fucking garbage too.trash- Gorkington
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im entirely willing to own up to my content being kind of shit so far.
i was trying out something that i usually do with my replacement game, but i dont have the energy for it anymore and i got really demotivated trying to do it here.
and i think scum saw me as an opportunity to jump on as an easy lynch.
im not sure if the scum is faking a claim they know they can get away with or if theyre just trying to take advantage of my general lack of investment in this game so far/my predecessor's posting.
but i would be fucking shocked if there werent at least two scum in leonshade, mathblade, cloudkicker and creature.
p-edit: im feeling actually kind of good atm.
if im still feeling this good tomorrow i promise to give more specific and comprehensive and tangible thoughts on things.
but i should really probably sleep or i'll die tomorrow q.q
pp-edit: gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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In post 10325, MathBlade wrote:Gork is scum. Pretty damn sure of it. It feels more like he's pushing Leon in order to have someone to push rather than believing it.trash- Gorkington
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sorry to disappoint, but im town.
dont have any wonders.
vecna, ali and nancy are probably town. feel like creature is town. pretty sure rest of the wagon has 3+ scum on it. best bet is math/leon [which is probable bet for partners].
dont really have anything else beyond that.
someone hammer so i can figure out who i can call stupid postgame.trash- Gorkington
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wow youre really quite the detective arent you!In post 10708, CloudKicker wrote:And you dont self ? this looks like you trying not to be actually lunched dear gorktrash- Gorkington
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"hey gork man i know i just told everyone to hammer you and i clearly dont care about whether youre town or scum because im just grasping at anything you do to call you scum right now, but hey man im trying to sort you right now comon what the heck man gimme a bone"
and i was joking. as in your reasons for your push are so bad i wouldnt be surprised if you didnt have a single read right.trash- Gorkington
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leon's coming into this cycle with a lot of heat on him.In post 10252, Leonshade wrote:Yay, I just found out I'm going on exchange to Glasgow this fall!
Also my V/LA starts now, I might post a bit but don't expect much.
VOTE: Gorkington
his best chance for getting himself out of the hotseat is to try and shift momentum somewhere else.
i think my slot being a replacement of a slot that was also disengaged before they replaced out made me an easy potential scapegoat.
i think the focus on gin feels kind of ehhh in retrospect.
just, why would you not be asking me for my thoughts on actual reads so i can potentially start scumhunting?
or question me on what i thought about people in the gamestate or specific events pertaining to other people? it just seems like it could be intentionally distracting.
asking someone what they think about who they replaced seems like such a waste of time, especially when theres so much to be trying to unpack in this game.
i dont really feel all that strongly about this, but his play gets a lot worse from there.
beyond that, i think his subsequent engages with me were extremely lazy and him not responding to being called out on that feels like him trying to abuse the attention being shifted off of him.
his questions are very surface level and dont really indicate much interest in actually trying to parse someone's alignment.
his angles that hes been pushing on have entirely focused on who i replaced since he cant defend himself and my tone vs my content.
its really not hard to call something LAMIST or forced.
i dont really think theres a lot of actual HUNTING and instead just a lot of empty posturing.
i get that hes on VLA, but him asking me things, getting called out on those things and then the only mention of me since is just "i like this wagon" in spite of his questions/my responses.
you would think he would be interested in dismantling what i said to make it more clear i was scum?
but he just entirely drops it.
leonshade is also the first person that i ISOdived this game and will probably be the last for a while if i dont die because i really dont want to put more effort into this game than i have already if im literally just about to die.
BUT.
i will say that there are elements of leon's early play that i found somewhat townleaning, but all of his votes this game have been so fucking
terrible.
like.
every single time the day gets close to the end, hes made a terrible shitty vote that it doesnt even look like he believes in.
i think theres a very very real possibility that leon is trying to lay low specifically because he knows that people looking back are going to really see how obviously terrible his voting record has been.
leon's probably who we should be lynching today.
especially since the momentum on his wagon fizzled onto me and there really doesnt seem to be a good reason for why that happened other than my slot being a SHINY SHINY COUNTERWAGON.
vote: leon
ayyyyy
im fucking in the game lets go.
going up the wagon totem pole but in the meantime get the shit votes off of me and lets get a wagon going here please.trash- Gorkington
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my read on mathblade is pretty linked with my leonshade read.In post 10369, MathBlade wrote:VOTE: Gorkington
nancy is giving me the heebie jeebies. No time to explain but Gork is also scum so....
i think the way his focus on me developed was potentially very opportunistic in terms of the timing of my focus going towards leonshade and the subsequent hardpush on me being scum, as well as the hesitance to actually commit to pushing there until the leonshade wagon was actually kind of failing.
i think one of the things i feel worst about with so many of these people who have called me scum is that SO SO SO many of them claimed i was obviously scum throughout my early play, but instead decided to focus elsewhere, especially while leonshade wagon was happening.
like, i just cant help but feel like some of it must have been opportunism.
i especially feel bad about math/leon pushes together because they use very very similar reasoning.
in a way that almost makes me feel like there was discussion on how to frame pushing me.
beyond that, i dont really see incredibly convincing reasoning for why leonshade has mathblade in his toptier and mathblade is constantly defending leonshade and calling him obvtown but doesnt seem to supply reasons while doing so while leonshade wagon is happening?
it just seems weird to me that he wouldnt try to convince people by saying actual reasons that he was scum vs just saying over and over again that hes town and trying to push nero who was clearly not going to happen? im just not sure if i see how that intention works.
with math theres also this really strange justification for scumreading me of "PV is scum and PV/Gork are scumbuddies"
and i just dont really get it?
like.
that was one of the first things that stood out to me this game.
that PV has like.. 200+ posts, ive only ever seen PVscum lurk and math is calling him scum?
ive asked for reasoning on this and i never got it.
and theres a lame part of me that feels like math is pushing me as an excuse to not have to rehash that [but thats probably not a good point zzz].
in terms of general thoughts on math im kind of confused as to why hes still alive?
scum grabbing vig to try and justify mathblade's claim being alive this game seems pretty plausible to me.
i havent really looked into what people have been talking about here so i would be interested in whether this was talked about at some point/if people could link me to where it was talked about so i dont waste too much time speccing over something thats probably already been talked about at some point.
in summary i just get bad vibes about the timing and justification of his scumread on me in terms of how it relates to leon who is really really likely scum and his PVread and justification of scumreading me via his PVread feels wonky and the role stuff kind of pings me too.
people townreading mathblade should talk to me like im 12 about it.
p-edit: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
please dont take the wind out of my sails just as im getting going.
at least not with generic shit like "your post sucks".
i dont think you understand how demotivating that in particular is for me.
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i more meant in terms there being some sentiment that they should be vigged in order to use their role.In post 10757, nancy wrote:The fact that they're still alive shouldn't be surprising because they generally aren't an early NK choice that I've seen.
im thinking about this more and im realizing that im definitely underthinking how that works between so many kill-stopping roles being in play/someone townreading them being incredibly unlikely to shoot them for utility/scum potentially trying to brew suspicion on him by sitting on the vig/potentially saving it for endgame if they have it.
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gendering was an accident. i thought he was your pronoun and have been making an active effort to use it because my kneejerk was something else. will try to do better in the future, but i really dont see why that should enter into your read of me though?
i really dont like you focusing on the single point that i admitted i had underthought on this page.trash- Gorkington
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obviously its not obvious that pv is scum because nobody else is talking about it.
and its frankly not obvious that im scum because im not scum.
theres literally 0 effort on your part to do anything other than just vaguely characterize the entirety of my posts as being disingenuous.
why is it so hard to actually break down a case/engage me directly if youre so convinced that im scum and theres potential for me to break apart the wagon here?
that youre implying thatd be a waste of time is just really strangely cocky.
p-edit:
1) vca is garbage.
2) multiple kill-stopping roles being in the game only applies to you?
3) this is just literally buzzword garbage.
4) 700 posts later, i actually read and organize my thoughts and my read becomes more confident! shocking!trash- Gorkington
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