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Post Post #10443 (isolation #200) » Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:55 pm

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In post 10440, Nero Cain wrote:I am fairly certain that Titus has used hydra diss as a means to gain sympathy before and even if they weren't trying to Math-Titus fighting over to claim or not to claim doesn't make them town.
I guarantee you that Math doesn't do this as scum. They have a lot of pride in their scum game and ability to get by without resorting to cheap tactics, and on top of that they don't continue to AtE about it, as I outlined in my post last night.

Even if you believe Titus would, Math wouldn't.
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Post Post #10444 (isolation #201) » Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:55 pm

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In post 10442, Alisae wrote:Yeah except I don't see that coming from scum either.
Why?
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Post Post #10447 (isolation #202) » Tue Mar 14, 2017 1:07 pm

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In post 10446, Nero Cain wrote:excuse me if I rather not trust the reads of the players that lynched Bee and ABR
I didn't lynch either of those...
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Post Post #10514 (isolation #203) » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:51 pm

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Glork, do you think Creature genuinely believes his roleblock of you stopped the kill? Do you think everyone who voted after Creature (being LUV and Alisae) believes in that being a hard guilty?
What did you think of Nero and Alisae's back and forth earlier where they voted you then Nero switched to Alisae?
What do you think of Vecna, MathBlade, and Leonshade all voting you together before Creature outed the roleblock?
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Post Post #10522 (isolation #204) » Tue Mar 14, 2017 5:15 pm

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@Ali Right, sorry have a lot of thoughts and want to sort this, I even mentioned it in the next line... rip

Anyway the thing is this doesn't match up with the gamestate of how many people were angling on certain things earlier. Today has gone down a certain way that I don't think matches with the nightkill being roleblocked. I don't doubt that Creature believes he has a guilty, but I'm not entirely sure that's what happened with the great wall, hanging gardens, and parthenon all also probably floating about.

pedit CK no, Alibae is locktown, trust me on this broski. Remember HoH?
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Post Post #10525 (isolation #205) » Tue Mar 14, 2017 5:25 pm

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In post 10521, Gorkington wrote:nero/ali interaction seemed kind of boring. did you take something from that interaction? because i didnt from what little i remember from it.
Specifically I wanted your thoughts on your wagon, basically. So the interaction that led to Alisae dropping a vote on you alongside Nero, then Nero's switch off on to Alisae.
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Post Post #10526 (isolation #206) » Tue Mar 14, 2017 5:26 pm

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In post 10524, Gorkington wrote:and mathblade totally discrediting that argument by focusing on the tone of my posts over the content feels fucking garbage too.
Can you please quote where this happened? I don't remember Math focusing on your tone? They're not much of a tonal reader afaik.
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Post Post #10622 (isolation #207) » Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:20 am

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VOTE: Leonshade

Everyone who has thrown shade at Alisae today deserves to die.

He is conftown.
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Post Post #10792 (isolation #208) » Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:00 pm

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Ok here's the thing, no sane scum team would send Glork to do the kill. Not unless they were all in an awful position, anyway, and considering how the game has been going I wouldn't exactly think that'd be true. They would likely know town had the roleblocker by virtue of not having it themselves, and you'd send your most townread in that case given Sondam's flip because there's literally no reason not to. A roleblocker is going to try to not be hitting the townread players because they could have chichen itza or something.

There, reasoning devoid of reads as to why the rb on Glork very likely was not the reason for the no kill. If anything that rb target proves it was a doc protect that stopped the kill.

Anyway, LUV, why are you sure about Vecna being town?
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Post Post #10859 (isolation #209) » Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:50 pm

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In post 10844, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:If Glork flips town, Creature gets lynched tomorrow
NO

Holy fuck no.
Besides my read on Creature there's nothing that says he can't believe Glork is scum as town.
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Post Post #10865 (isolation #210) » Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:53 pm

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In post 10853, nancy wrote:LUV isn't untouchable, but I think there's enough of a chance he's Town that I don't want to lynch it right now.

Furthermore, Notice's most recent post reads to me like "We didn't send Gork to do the nightkill so he's caught for wrong reasons".
Lol.

Yeah this is scum, and was whiteknighting Glork.
There's no way nancy gets this SO FUCKING WRONG as town after everything I've said.
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Post Post #10896 (isolation #211) » Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:08 pm

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In post 10881, nancy wrote:Gets which part so wrong?
No. If you're town you can work it out yourself.
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Post Post #10967 (isolation #212) » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:06 am

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In post 10953, Vecna wrote:
In post 10792, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:Ok here's the thing, no sane scum team would send Glork to do the kill. Not unless they were all in an awful position, anyway, and considering how the game has been going I wouldn't exactly think that'd be true. They would likely know town had the roleblocker by virtue of not having it themselves, and you'd send your most townread in that case given Sondam's flip because there's literally no reason not to. A roleblocker is going to try to not be hitting the townread players because they could have chichen itza or something.

There, reasoning devoid of reads as to why the rb on Glork very likely was not the reason for the no kill. If anything that rb target proves it was a doc protect that stopped the kill.

Anyway, LUV, why are you sure about Vecna being town?
Yes?
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Post Post #10984 (isolation #213) » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:22 am

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jesus fuck I'm drunk

I hate how I have to be on a diff acc for this because I can't just phone post anyways...

anyway, vecna your shit is disingenuous, you pull this fucking "i'm so town that the only reason I am not being nightkilled is because i claimed a useless wonder" bullshit then try to say my reason for saying it's protown for you to claim that is scum motivated is something fucking convoluted as shit. you keep declaring yourself as obvtown which you very much are not and it's so LAMIST that it's obvious you're just trying to put across that feeling through repitition so people won't try to lynch you.

pedit: and you think scum would have a highly scumread player get that wonder why? please, do tell. That's fucking nonsense, you're full of shit, vecna.
pedit2: I can confirm nancy was asleep because I fucking was too and the moment I tried to submit a post to say to fucking stop was when the thread got lynched and I was fuming. Means the sondam lynch means nothing with regards to alignment. Her shit ass read on me however? Yeah, that's AI. Nancy doesn't scumread me nor aslan ever in this gamestate EVER. Not once. She's too smart for that.
pedit3: JESUS CHRIST IT WAS A DOC PROTECT NOT A ROLEBLOCK FUCKING STOP
pedit4: SONDAM WAS OBVTOWN BECAUSE OF META BUT EVEN IF NOT, EVEN IF THE ONLY THING YOU COUNTED WAS THIS GAME,
THE SELF VOTE WAS TOWN GIVING UP
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pedit5: Aslan if you give vecna a cookie know I don't trust him as far as i could throw an elephant. That goes for literally everyone w/ a wonder. if we have town with chicken itza I want it to be me and vecna.
peditforeverandahalf: let me post...
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Post Post #10986 (isolation #214) » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:26 am

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In post 10802, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Ali because of his eagerness early on and his try hard case on me to right out the gate Day 1. He has a way of appearing like he is eager and excited for a game but there is a tonal difference that he cannot fake yet.

Creature because of his stream of consincious when he was wagoned seem genuine and I don't see a reason for him to attempt this gambit as scum

Do I really have to go over Math? There is no way Math stages that hydra dissonance as scum there.

Nero because of how he was attacked early on for his play during the first Resolution phase and his insane push on Math. The latter just seems pointless and a waste of time considering the position scum are in.

Not going over PV.

I understand the paranoia around Vecna but I strongly believe he is town. He is not as loud as scum in my experience. He would not fight so hard in the Resolution phase like did if he was town. There is no reason for him to white knight me as scum. PyP lasted for about 2 months and I'm pretty sure he knows that the reputation I have accumulated as scum or as a player in general is not indicative of my actual play. There is several other players here he benefits more from buddying or white knighting. All the other shit he's been scum read for his is solely due to his personality and not alignment indicative.
LUV is town because this is town reasoning.
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Post Post #10987 (isolation #215) » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:27 am

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Like, he's wrong in a lot of things but I don't want to shade him because tbh I don't want scum to springboard off it, but he's just fucking town.
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Post Post #10992 (isolation #216) » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:36 am

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In post 10988, Vecna wrote:Ive already asked to be roleblocked, its the best course of action for town to make sure usefull wonders arent blocked, and for suspicions to be laid to rest (although even that probably wont work)
Haven't read past here but it won't work because you are fucking asking for it. It's like saying "hey I want this wonder to be accounted for so we can use someone else". I don't know why you think that should garner any towncred at all, and why you're promoting it to be as such.
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Post Post #10993 (isolation #217) » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:37 am

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In post 10988, Vecna wrote:Also, this doesnt sound like drunk-posting at all.
Also, with all respect, you don't know me. I drink a hell of a lot, way more than I should, and like 2 nights(nancy?) ago I got really drunk to the point where I threw up and had the shakes all the next day....and yet I'm on it again because I'm an alcoholic but w/e, we all have our shit to get over.

Accusing me of lying about RL as any alignment is a fucking dog move.
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Post Post #10995 (isolation #218) » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:39 am

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In post 10988, Vecna wrote:Id like you to explain how it works though with your rock-solid townread on me that you had earlier based on the DEO stuff.
You literally explained it away yourself.

Like, along with the veiled threat of "you can't scumread me for this because I brought it up first".
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Post Post #10999 (isolation #219) » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:48 am

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In post 10989, nancy wrote:When you're drunk, I can read you. Outside of that, I suck at it.
I don't think you suck outside of it tbh, but I have done a lot of stuff this day phase where if you're town you should know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I am town and that my hard trs are v likely conftown. Aslan, Creature and Math being those.
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Post Post #11002 (isolation #220) » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:59 am

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In post 10996, Vecna wrote:Dude its fine, just discount all the wonder nonsense in your reads - I agree its NAI if you apply certain reasoning. Everyone here that played with me as scum can tell you however that ill focus on optimal play as scum, and I didnt need anyone to be aware of my wonder if I was scum because I already had plenty of towncred from nearly everyone.

Claiming that wonder when theres both a roleblock, tracker (which there was before my first hints) and the double investigation wonder - as scum - is very sub-par play. What am I gonna use it for that way? To clear myself against the tracker? Or to state im the same or a dfferent allignment from whoever? I dont see the sense in it.

My only goal is that people trust their investigative results. The rest is irrelevant. And yes, im fine with getting roleblocked to achieve it - whether I ask for it myself is completely irrelevant in that regard.

Anyways, Nero should be fully aware that as town Ill often identify the town use in mechanics, and then share the information with everyone.
No you really didn't have towncred. I know at least 3 town were scumreading you for sure and then you have the ones I'm less conftown sure of (maxous et co) which is why you stressing you were widely townread past D1 is absolute fucking bullshit. So no. That card is beyond a moot point and you know it, because you are not townie in the slightest. You never have been beyond that one point which you aditted you did not even read the slot to know that Math refused to replace out so you could have just been pushing for that to be forced. I even weighe dup the point between even outing that as town or scum and tbh I think your fucking ego as either alignment would factor in to that enough to make it a moot point.

At this point you have a perfect fucking game so actually having your alignment either tied to someone else if you seriously do think you're that fucking great will be a blessing to you If it's a buddy you can push them as conftown too, and if it's not you would probably take the 1 for 1 then try to push the alignment cop as the scum if you somehow survived that. That's 2 mislynches in your head for the price of one, and I'd know because I had a buddy do a 1 for 1 trade before. And he was less an ego case than you tbh.
You got your wonder after the tracker flipped I'm pre sure so moot point there and i can't see the point in pushing it as anything else.
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Post Post #11003 (isolation #221) » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:04 am

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In post 10997, Vecna wrote:
In post 10993, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
In post 10988, Vecna wrote:Also, this doesnt sound like drunk-posting at all.
Also, with all respect, you don't know me. I drink a hell of a lot, way more than I should, and like 2 nights(nancy?) ago I got really drunk to the point where I threw up and had the shakes all the next day....and yet I'm on it again because I'm an alcoholic but w/e, we all have our shit to get over.

Accusing me of lying about RL as any alignment is a fucking dog move.
No its not a dog-move, because stating shit along the lines of "im drunk" also serves an ingame-purpose; namely that were supposed to think your inhibitions are gone and youre freely posting away.

Its a very valid scum-strategy that ive used before myself.

The fact youre using OGI here in such a way, means its free-game for me to claim that your logical train of thought here doesnt sound like its a drunk man talking at all.
No, it fucking is a dog move.

I literally WILL NEVER FUCKING LIE ABOUT RL SHIT. Anyone who does for a stupid ass game deserves to be blacklisted. It's a shit move. The fact that you have in the past just means I'm going to blacklist/wotc/wotm/woto you. Because that's fucking low.

Regardless of my alignment I am drunk. I don't lie about that. To have such loose morals irl that you would lie about that means you would lie about cheating on your gf or something similar. I am not a fucking liar. I feel very strongly about lying.
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Post Post #11005 (isolation #222) » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:08 am

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In post 11000, Vecna wrote:See, heres the thing Notice - youre hard townreading the slots a lot of people are suspicious of for good reasons. With that PoE pool, how are you not having townreads on the actual obvious slots and having a pretty good idea of what the scumteam should look like?
And what praytell are the obvious slots? Because to me the obvious slots are literally the ones I have highlighted and given reasons for. Anyone scumreading them is either mafia or so far up mafia's ass that they might as well be honorary members. THIS is why you have been mislynching every single fucking day on unendorsed wagons if you're even town.
In post 11001, Vecna wrote:Btw, calling to be investigated by the double investigation wonder with that Red Fort showing up is a bit of a scumping to me.
lol yeah you're fucking trash tier if you're town.
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Post Post #11009 (isolation #223) » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:12 am

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like jesus christ I am fucking having trouble this game with scumreads. even nancy keeps fucking fluctuating and I'm scared I'm heading down the road to mislynching her again and I really fucking don't want to. I just feel like the Glork shit could really be scum w/king and idunno I'm starting to fucking question life.

But my townreads are solid, and if nothing else those should b sheeped because fuck me. The top of the list being Alisae. dont' do a house of harmony and ignore my read on him when I die please. like w/e town ends up alive please don't, I know Ali and I know he's town and he's conftown and just don't fuck this up again on me.
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Post Post #11014 (isolation #224) » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:17 am

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In post 11006, Vecna wrote:The tracker flip was the very moment we all got our wonders. You submit them way before, and gerry was the D3 lynch with the tracker. I had no way of knowing the tracker wouldve been gone when I very openly claimed I was likely picking that wonder. Doing that as scum, while it wastes the limited slots and likely invalidates the use of the wonder, is extremely subpar play.

And id say I had quite a lot of towncred during day3 yes. Im not even sure if there was a single vote for me during the entire day, and it lasted a long long time. And that was after the ABR flip, which I was pushing hard. The people you claim that were suspicious of me, werent at that time. Alisae and you were townreading me. Only Math was scumreading me.....and later Sondam, but that only happened when I was prodding them.

As for your comment that ive had a perfect fucking game? What dimension are you living in?
You very openly wifomed the shit out of what wonder you were picking. Means jack shit imo. Personally I was sure you weren't getting a wonder or had one from the prior ages because of it. So yeah, I doubt scum put much credence into what you put into the thread at athat time, and if they did they'd be fucking stupid.

And yeah that was when I was pushing you as town iirc. Because of something you yourself said you didn't pay attention to and could simply have been a misstep on your part as scum.

The dimension that scum have yet to be fucking lynched and I highly doubt that you as town fail to see that tbh, given how fucking god iter you seem to think you are.
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Post Post #11015 (isolation #225) » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:19 am

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In post 11007, nancy wrote:Notice how confident are you on scum!Leonshade?
Honestly? not 100%, I'm more confident in my lock townreads this game than my scumreads. Those being Alibae, Math, Creature. The rest are people I have varying degrees of strength on but those are the ones I wouldn't lynch ever.
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Post Post #11017 (isolation #226) » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:23 am

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In post 11012, Vecna wrote:
In post 11005, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
In post 11000, Vecna wrote:See, heres the thing Notice - youre hard townreading the slots a lot of people are suspicious of for good reasons. With that PoE pool, how are you not having townreads on the actual obvious slots and having a pretty good idea of what the scumteam should look like?
And what praytell are the obvious slots? Because to me the obvious slots are literally the ones I have highlighted and given reasons for. Anyone scumreading them is either mafia or so far up mafia's ass that they might as well be honorary members. THIS is why you have been mislynching every single fucking day on unendorsed wagons if you're even town.
You really dont get to complain about mislynches when youve ended two out of 3 days without a vote anywhere.

You really dont get to complain about mislynches when you havent pushed a single scumread in forever.
No I've pushed scumreads, you've just SHADED THE FUCK OUT OF ME every SINGLE FUCKING TIME

Like if you're town FUCK YOU because you ahve been a part of the reason I have no fucking sway to get shit fucking right and you're part of the reason I feel so fucking lethargic about this game because of the fucking cockblocking bullshit you keep doing whenever I have tried to hunt.

I did push my reads, just because I get drowned out doesn't mean I shouldn't be listened to. Just because you fucks want to quicklynch people doesn't mean I shouldn't be listened to.

Like you have been part of the reason I can't fucking get my scumreads lynched and you want to blame me for it? yeah, no. This is just scum.
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Post Post #11018 (isolation #227) » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:26 am

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In post 11013, nancy wrote:Notice if I hypothetically lock you as Town then the PoE on this game just becomes incredibly easy because it locks 3 other slots as Town at the same time and I have 2-3 reads I'm not confident in outside of my scumpool.
I don't care, the rest of your reads are probably shit. There's a reason I have largely given up on this game. Town deserve to lose after ignoring every fucking attempt to right them. Like even after I stpe in to derail the bullshit Creature shit going on people are still questioning if he's mafia and vecna is still throwing obvious shade over that and no one is batting a fucking eyelid at the fact htat he's scum pissed that I've completely eliminated a mislynch from the table.
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Post Post #11022 (isolation #228) » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:32 am

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In post 11016, Vecna wrote:I never said I didnt agree with your logic that scum wouldnt want the chaos that came from the DEO slot gone btw. Because as scum I wouldve loved to keep them around. I said as much in the post correcting you. The only point that was moot was that my action was directed at getting rid of the Titus head, because I had no idea how my pressure on the slot would resolve. All the other reasons for wanting that situation solved, which you yourself understood were vastly TOWN - are still completely valid.

Like, the only way it would make sense to even think me as scum would wanna solve that situation, was if I was scum with Math.
My point was you were shooting yourself in the foot by keeping the person who scumread you around. You removed that point because you thought you'd be keeping Titus around, then decided you could fucking ego wifom me about it. Guess what? You can't, I'm not falling for it. As soon as you realized that it was "oh hey convenient Notice scumread!" like I literally cannot see why you aren't already fucking swinging. Instead we lost someone I gave reasons for being town based off really fucking strong meta tells. Why was that? OH because they were townreading me.

Why was Frogger killed? Because he was going to tr me if it wasn't multiball
Why was beeboy lynched? To save the Yuri/Notice "associative tells" for later (which are absolute fucking bullshit because you always intended to carry through your sr on me regardless of what yuri flipped, same with whoever else you fucking paired me with)
Why was ABR lynched? Because I thought he might be town and he wasn't actively going me
Why was PV killed? I bet if I go through his ISO we can find he wasn't scumreading me either
Why was there no nightkill last night? because scum tried to kill Alisae to get rid of one of my biggest defenders

You have literally been shading and trying to lynch me since D1 because I've been onto you, scumfuck.
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Post Post #11023 (isolation #229) » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:32 am

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And no, it literally makes zero sense if you were scum with Math because it's not how Math interacts with scumbuddies.
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Post Post #11025 (isolation #230) » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:34 am

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In post 11021, Vecna wrote:
In post 11018, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
In post 11013, nancy wrote:Notice if I hypothetically lock you as Town then the PoE on this game just becomes incredibly easy because it locks 3 other slots as Town at the same time and I have 2-3 reads I'm not confident in outside of my scumpool.
I don't care, the rest of your reads are probably shit. There's a reason I have largely given up on this game. Town deserve to lose after ignoring every fucking attempt to right them. Like even after I stpe in to derail the bullshit Creature shit going on people are still questioning if he's mafia and vecna is still throwing obvious shade over that and no one is batting a fucking eyelid at the fact htat he's scum pissed that I've completely eliminated a mislynch from the table.
I dont think I have ever scumread creature btw. Im just giving him more respect than most in that he can pull of pretty convincing scumplay these days, and im not putting him as a complete townlock. I dont wanna lynch creature.
You're throwing shade over ME TOWNREADING CREATURE when I literally fucking gave my reasons and meta, you told me it wasn't recent enough meta, I watied for the game to end to give that, and you go "this is scum because didn't give reasons this is different" like fuck off as town you'd fucking read back to where you asked me for more recent meta.
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Post Post #11032 (isolation #231) » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:43 am

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In post 11019, nancy wrote:{Aslan, Brian, Creature, MathBlade, Notice}
{Caesar, Gorkington, LUV}
{davesaz, Maxous, Nero, Vecna}
{}
{CK, KidAmn, Leonshade}

If my reads are shit then work with me to fix them. The last time I asked for that you said no so what do you want from me? I've been trying all day to fix my reads and basically no one's done anything to help me figure shit out.
Is your read on Cloud based on Cloud or ssbm?

There's also very likely more than 3 mafia. I'm pretty sure Vecna is mafia which would make Maxous town because I don't think the back and forth with them was SvS. I thought Maxous was scum because of thinking Vecna had to be town but it's very likely I just fucked up on my read there. dave is town, just trust me on that one if you're town. I can't figure out if Nero is just bad and only hunting off "anti-town" stuff because of that or mafia hiding behind it. I have issues reading Nero but I think Alisae townreads him so... ehn.. not an avenue I would pursue unless through associations given that I think because I keep not being able to read him when I follow games as well.

Can you expand on Yurislot/Kid? You had them as obvtown for the D1 wagon earlier?
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Post Post #11036 (isolation #232) » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:51 am

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In post 11026, Vecna wrote:
In post 11022, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
In post 11016, Vecna wrote:I never said I didnt agree with your logic that scum wouldnt want the chaos that came from the DEO slot gone btw. Because as scum I wouldve loved to keep them around. I said as much in the post correcting you. The only point that was moot was that my action was directed at getting rid of the Titus head, because I had no idea how my pressure on the slot would resolve. All the other reasons for wanting that situation solved, which you yourself understood were vastly TOWN - are still completely valid.

Like, the only way it would make sense to even think me as scum would wanna solve that situation, was if I was scum with Math.
My point was you were shooting yourself in the foot by keeping the person who scumread you around. You removed that point because you thought you'd be keeping Titus around, then decided you could fucking ego wifom me about it. Guess what? You can't, I'm not falling for it. As soon as you realized that it was "oh hey convenient Notice scumread!" like I literally cannot see why you aren't already fucking swinging. Instead we lost someone I gave reasons for being town based off really fucking strong meta tells. Why was that? OH because they were townreading me.

Why was Frogger killed? Because he was going to tr me if it wasn't multiball
Why was beeboy lynched? To save the Yuri/Notice "associative tells" for later (which are absolute fucking bullshit because you always intended to carry through your sr on me regardless of what yuri flipped, same with whoever else you fucking paired me with)
Why was ABR lynched? Because I thought he might be town and he wasn't actively going me
Why was PV killed? I bet if I go through his ISO we can find he wasn't scumreading me either
Why was there no nightkill last night? because scum tried to kill Alisae to get rid of one of my biggest defenders

You have literally been shading and trying to lynch me since D1 because I've been onto you, scumfuck.
Notice, I made that point because I wanted to sort you.

Dont you see that from my point of view, its a very convenient excuse to suddenly 180 on your read on me after I started townreading you? (the Titus/Mathblade swap that is).

I wanted to see how you'd react if I took that away from you by giving you the truth.

Yes, I couldve done it as an ego thing as scum, but what would be the sense?
I took a night phase thinking it over and processing how I thought you were posturing on my slot given that... so I can't see your point in the whole "oh it's gotta be scum for reversing the townread" because I clearly did take the fucking time to think it through and I'm insulted that it's implied that I didn't when it's clearly not true.

And it's hardly convenient when I and others were struggling to keep up with the thread pace at the time, but ok, sure I can see the pov there.

Ego doesn't have a point. It is what it is. The same as shooting as soon as possible as a vig, it's the ego of thinking you're better than everyone else and can pull off pro plays and will be nightkilled if you don't take the shot asap. I can't really explain it right now but it's something where I don't think ego needs a purpose beyond "I am so much better than everyone else that I can do this", especially when you're already winning in a game.
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Post Post #11041 (isolation #233) » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:16 am

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Vecna in the interest of if you're town not being a dumbfuck and causing the game losing mislynch I'll try. I can't see it right now, though, and I don't know if that's just my emotional/drunk state or the tunnel I've been flirting with all game with you. I know there's more to it in that I definitely dislike your playstyle which could contribute to that. It clashes with me (too many egos? idunno). One thing that you could do to help is not to accuse me of lying about RL. Lying about emotional appeals I can handle to some extent, but I will usually not lie about my inebriated state or about my reasons for being absent (when I do it's generally through omission or for family related reasons, which ends up being more a "skirt around the issue" thing than a lie).
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Post Post #11043 (isolation #234) » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:23 am

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shit I really need to go to bed, one more thing then

Vecna, mastina would not try to frame me without actively being a poster i htink. I've literally played like 2 games as scum and one I was force replaced from early on. Even if mastina made that plan I'd probably beg for it to not go through but I don't think she would ever drop me in the deep end like that. I'm sorry you wanted to replace out, I think all of us have been there this game tbh.

nancy can you tell me what about kid you find scummy enough to drop him that far if you thought yuri was town?

pedit: not at all, I'm too lazy to dive tbh, most I'll do these days is a skim in rvs for early tone to see if my rvs tone based reads are warranted. I missed that this game so didn't bohter.
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Post Post #11104 (isolation #235) » Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:41 pm

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lol... You seriously think that me vs nancy was SvS? Do you think nancy would engage in SvS like that Nero?

And yes, I assumed my girlfriend wouldn't be lying about being asleep between Thu Mar 09, 2017 3:15 am to Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:16 am considering she generally keeps the same sleeping patterns as I do so we get max time together. THat's a shit line of attack, Nero.
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Post Post #11523 (isolation #236) » Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:21 pm

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@RC why do you townread Leon?
@Nero Alisae is town fullstop. idunno if you're scum or just bad but a lot of the stuff you're trying to push ppl on is just anti-town or forgetfulness rather than just scummy. Like there's literally no scum motivation in nancy saying she was asleep when I can corroborate that the time the lynch happened was during the time she normally sleeps because we have our sleep cycles synched. I didn't bother to check because quite frankly I didn't expect nancy to have been awake during that time since it was while I was asleep and we usually go to sleep around the same time. What's the scum motivation in me backing up nancy's claim instead of just trying to deflect? There isn't any, unless you want to argue we're both shit at playing scum and would allow ourselves to get caught out in obvious lies.
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Post Post #11525 (isolation #237) » Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:29 pm

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In post 11524, nancy wrote:I already explained that I thought the lynch happened while I was asleep because I didn't check it until late, Notice. It wasn't a lie, I just didn't look at time stamps.
Why do you keep stressing this to me..? I'm talking to Nero about his theory on his terms. I don't think you'd flat lie about something that is easily fact checked in this game. Like even if you're scum it has zero to do with you saying you were asleep during that time because it's perfectly reasonable to have assumed that like I did.
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Post Post #11606 (isolation #238) » Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:18 pm

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RC you won't die, we have a town doc that stopped last night's kill and they'll stop it again tonight if you're the target I'm pretty sure.
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Post Post #12054 (isolation #239) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:20 am

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I really don't have the energy for this.

Vecna, I told you what I felt was happening, I don't know what more you want from me on it. Some guidance on that would help.
Creature, it's incredibly demotivating to have you repeatedly say mastina isn't posting therefore I'm scum when it was mentioned prior to the game even starting that mastina would not be an active player.
Maxous is town because Creature is town, unless we're positing <redacted> as scum trying to make a scum buddy a townread through pairing him with obvtown Creature.

Also, Mausoleum can back me up that the early TR on Gin was a poor reaction test to see how he would react to getting an easy TR for something he didn't really deserve to have because Alibae had pointed out the obvious before him. This is not a call for Mausoleum to do so, ftr, I don't think it's necessary at this point, just...meh, people keep bringing that up and it's mildly annoying that I'm getting bitched at for it.
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Post Post #12055 (isolation #240) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:20 am

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In post 12053, Gorkington wrote:i cant really say?

i really dont believe he pushes me the way he has and reads my play the way he has been as town here.
Doesn't sound like a meta read then but moreso a general play thing.

It's possible you're scumreading playstyle like I tend to do.
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Post Post #12082 (isolation #241) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:26 pm

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In post 12078, Vecna wrote:
In post 12054, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:I really don't have the energy for this.

Vecna, I told you what I felt was happening, I don't know what more you want from me on it. Some guidance on that would help.
Creature, it's incredibly demotivating to have you repeatedly say mastina isn't posting therefore I'm scum when it was mentioned prior to the game even starting that mastina would not be an active player.
Maxous is town because Creature is town, unless we're positing <redacted> as scum trying to make a scum buddy a townread through pairing him with obvtown Creature.

Also, Mausoleum can back me up that the early TR on Gin was a poor reaction test to see how he would react to getting an easy TR for something he didn't really deserve to have because Alibae had pointed out the obvious before him. This is not a call for Mausoleum to do so, ftr, I don't think it's necessary at this point, just...meh, people keep bringing that up and it's mildly annoying that I'm getting bitched at for it.
Some interaction, interpretation....not just static opinions but showing us how stuff thats happening affects you & your thinking? Also, you really cannot just keep stating that every time someone questions something you do that it annoys you or w/e, this is Mafia, were neither a bunch of psychics nor part of some lovable pony orgy.
A lot of my posting these days happens on my phone. I don't really log out of my main there because it's a hassle to switch accounts.

And it does annoy me when I already stated what I was doing (I think? maybe I did only state that in hood chat?).
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Post Post #12083 (isolation #242) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:28 pm

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In post 12079, Vecna wrote:Also, the way these two camps start shaping up almost makes it feel like this game is multi-ball after all.
We've gone 3 night phases without having 2 kills in a night. I'm willing to bet it's not multi-ball at this stage.
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Post Post #12084 (isolation #243) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:30 pm

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In post 12080, Vecna wrote:
In post 12057, Gorkington wrote:i really dont think its as simple as his playstyle?
at all?

its also weird as fuck that hes been floating davesaz as scum for ages now but trusts his result on creature/max without the slightest of doubt.
How have I been floating Davesaz as scum for ages? It was like literally a period of 24 hours last day or something. Also this second statement almost feels like youre fishing whether im the chichen itza....there no need Gorkington, I already claimed what wonder I have and its not that one.
Actually the second statement is the opposite, reread it.
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Post Post #12120 (isolation #244) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:28 pm

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Math he was implying Vecna's not ok because of the second half of the sentence where he accused Gork of trying to rolefish him (Vecna) when Gork stated it was dave's result.
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Post Post #12121 (isolation #245) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:29 pm

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It was an intended insult at intelligence, I think? Something along those lines, not a serious question.
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Post Post #12123 (isolation #246) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:35 pm

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@Math there are 10,656 bullshit reasons I could give you on the Maxous/Creature thing, but I think you'll do better off reading what you missed.

@Gork, Math doesn't do well with sarcasm and the like, finds it hard to pick up on that. Not your fault they didn't pick it up, beyond you actually stating it. Just means you'll likely get questions like those from time to time.
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Post Post #12145 (isolation #247) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:08 pm

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In post 12134, Alisae wrote:Jae who's scum?
Um, I can tell you who's town?

{Alisae}
{MathBlade, Maxous, Creature, LUV}

Those are my confident of never flipping scum reads.
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Post Post #12146 (isolation #248) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:09 pm

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In post 12136, MathBlade wrote:
In post 12125, nancy wrote:Oh well, since you ruined the fun I'll just join in.

This is RC's scum game. This is how I knew Nero wasn't scum. And all of the people RC had on his list of people to kill. Convenient that his lynchpool had 2 of the names that were in my pool, but left Maxous out. Convenient that Leonshade, Creature, and RC all have pretty much identical scumpools. No one is going to believe your push, RC. You're transparently trying to lynch the only slot in this game capable of beating you. You entered the game threatening to lynch anyone voting me and repeatedly said that I was obvtown until it became clear that I wasn't going to play ball and let you lynch Nero. Everything about you here is fake, RC. You've lost. Even if you lynch me here, you've lost.

VOTE: RC

This is not town nancy. BaeReed? What do you think about this?

Pedit: LUV my birthday was on the 14th and I had a job interview so I hung out with friends on Friday. Been crazy busy.
I don't know. Please don't make me make a decision I have a shit track record of reading nancy and I don't want to get it wrong and end up mislynching her again. I've lost all confidence in being able to even attempt to read her. I can't tell and I don't want to be the reason she gets lynched again.
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Post Post #12148 (isolation #249) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:21 pm

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Ali I also think RC is town still due to Drixx and I don't understand the meta read thing on him because I've seen him come in hot as town more than once and that's how he nails scum. I don't see him case a lot as town so not making a huge wall of it I feel is actually a towntell for him?

I still feel like all of Caesar, RC, dave(maybe? if he's scum then Maxous is scum too, but I think that should only ever happen if dave flips red and it's not a lynch I would ever support today) are town.
Gork I think is town due to how today went down with how the wagons keep on moving back to him and how Leon got suspicion alongside Gork yet Gork's wagon was the one to take off.

pedit can we just do Leon? His hop on vecna was still gross and no amount of retcon is changing that for me and I don't want to go on nero despite everything because of that.
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Post Post #12149 (isolation #250) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:23 pm

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urgh, nero not vecna. but I do think he was buddying vecna if vecna is town, and I don't think they're scum buddies given the buddying and the push from vecna after people floated that. It would make it more likely vecna is town to me with a scumflip from Leon.
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Post Post #12154 (isolation #251) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:52 pm

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jesus fucking christ CREATURE IS NOT SCUM

please nancy if you're town
listen to me
. No one did on Sondam and no one did when I thought beeboy could be town so please just listen to me and never lynch Creature. No one listened in HoH either when I called Alisae and TOWN LOST BECAUSE OF IT
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Post Post #12272 (isolation #252) » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:54 pm

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In post 12161, Nero Cain wrote:How in the world does Senpai have a town read on a promises to catch up lurksack like Dave but not me?
Well since it's out there in big green font now, because dave is chichen itza and outed the result on creature/maxous alignment sharing.

Like, is it possible he's scum with Maxous and paired him with Creature to get his buddy to practically conftown levels? Yeah, it's possible. Do I think it's likely? Probably not, no. Not in this gamestate. Scum are doing well so far, so there's really no need to suicide like that. Hell, people wanted to lynch Maxous despite it to confirm dave and Creature. So yeah, dave can be town for today.
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Post Post #12280 (isolation #253) » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:04 am

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In post 12216, RadiantCowbells wrote:if someone got the vig and they still have it please for the love of fucking god kill nero tonight
Vig should be on Math
now
if it was picked up in order to townfirm/scumfirm someone before lylo/mylo imo.
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Post Post #12288 (isolation #254) » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:16 am

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In post 12242, Creature wrote:Notice, is RC town too?
In post 12243, RadiantCowbells wrote:JaeReed can't read me worth jack shit
I was going to say you're more likely to be town because this reminds me of when you went full ham on Postie during that nightless vengeful and on cakez in that newbie + Drixx wanting that wonder and asking to be copped but you know what...?

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Fuck you too.
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Post Post #12294 (isolation #255) » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:24 am

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In post 12275, Vecna wrote:Couldve sworn it was you or Ceasar that had it Notice, with the knowledge being spread through that hood - right untill Gorkington started spanking me in the face with the truth.

At any rate, we should be able to play with the knowledge in broad daylight if we can get that Roleblocker in town hands.
Nope, I did want the tracker but mastina overruled me, which has me frustrated with how things turned out there.
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Post Post #12296 (isolation #256) » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:38 am

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In post 12291, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 12288, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:I was going to say you're more likely to be town because this reminds me of when you went full ham on Postie during that nightless vengeful and on cakez in that newbie + Drixx wanting that wonder and asking to be copped but you know what...?
Are you scumreading anyone?
Strongly? No.

Individually? Yes and no. A lot is depending on preflips atm and PoE combined with certain things. In Leon's case there have been small things that pinged me repeatedly, including the jump on your wagon. dave is a lurksack but he's more likely town than scum and his results are confirmable if we can get enough of them, if Maxous is scum then I think dave almost certainly is because I don't see Creature being scum in any world here. If Maxous is scum then Vecna is town because I felt like the push from Maxous on Vecna wasn't a bus.

I'm more confident in my townreads than my scumreads currently.
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Post Post #12297 (isolation #257) » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:40 am

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In post 12292, RadiantCowbells wrote:And no Jae you can't read me worth jack shit. You correctly deduced that FA (ie not me) was scum in a hydra game.

You weren't even on site in the period where my scum game was at full kilter.
Actually I was reading you not FA... I couldn't read FA for shit at the time of that game, it was your push that I scumread which iirc FA was against.

Are you arguing that your scum game is back to what it used to be? I don't get the point of the last sentence.
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Post Post #12299 (isolation #258) » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:43 am

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In post 12295, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 12294, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:Nope, I did want the tracker but mastina overruled me, which has me frustrated with how things turned out there.
If this is just a teaching hydra why is Mastin taking an active part in the decisions of said hydra?
I'm not answering this question at this point in time. Sorry.
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Post Post #12301 (isolation #259) » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:46 am

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In post 12298, Nero Cain wrote:an over abundance of town reads seems like something more that would come from scum than town.
I have no problem getting scumreads as scum. See me in Pokemon Episode 6 before I got force replaced where I pushed on Wisdom, or Trial of the Evoker where I pushed mislynches constantly yet the slot still lived to endgame.
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Post Post #12303 (isolation #260) » Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:01 am

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Depends on the game. I'd say it happens often enough, especially so when town is losing or I feel like I'm having trouble getting into the game. Math could probably vouch for me that Shadowrun I ended up just defaulting to my hard townreads in the end because I couldn't make sense of things anymore. I've had other games where I've just used a PoE of "this slot is less town than all the others" to determine who I want to lynch.

But I do have scumreads. I scumread Leon, Vecna, Maxous... Just... they can't all be scum together and so I have to be wrong somewhere. I feel like I'm least wrong on Leon. Maxous is town unless dave is scum and fucked up hardcore by trying to clear his buddy, and Vecna is more likely to be a personal read, which is less likely to be accurate because emotions are involved.
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Post Post #12305 (isolation #261) » Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:02 am

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Like, I said I don't have strong scumreads...not that they don't exist at all. They're tied up in a bunch of associations and biases but they're there.

pedit and you're about to be left alone with Nero because I'm going to bed :P
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Post Post #13645 (isolation #262) » Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:25 pm

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Spoiler: picking these up
In post 12909, JaeReed wrote:Ok I haven't read the past few pages. rl shit has blown up on me to the point I can only phone post atm.

Nero, I feel like you haven't been reading my posts. I have clearly had scumreads other than vecna. I was on maxous and am currently on Leon. PoE is a valid gamesolving process even if you don't use it yourself.

LUV I would have hooded Ali. But Ali just exited a game with myself them and DEO with hoods where we wrecked shit. That very likely factored in to their position.

I want to respond a lot more than I am right now but I'm having some rl stuff I absolutely need to have take priority, sorry. I'll quote this when I can get on the hydra again.
In post 12915, JaeReed wrote:Ali is never ever ever scum. I will eat a lynch before I let Ali be lynched.
In post 13024, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13007, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 13006, Creature wrote:I'd not mind lynching someone for having no reads.
then you should want to lynch the fuck out of Ali and Senpai. But we are doing Leon today.
Why the fuck is everything that comes from you a misrep?
In post 13103, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13097, Vecna wrote:So yes Leonshade, to answer your earlier question (quoted below): if you are scum, I feel the only option of scum on your wagon is Notice.
...lol. This proves that you do not know me at all, and this is a good example of why I keep thinking you're not genuinely trying to solve the game.

If scum have obviously not bussed (or been able to push through a bus) all game, why in hell do you think I would start now and stay on the wagon? I could have easily springboarded on to Nero or Kid by this stage if I were scum trying to distance from buddy!Leon. This is a fact based on the gamestate. Leon's scumflip makes me all but conftown.
In post 13110, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13108, Vecna wrote:
In post 13103, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13097, Vecna wrote:So yes Leonshade, to answer your earlier question (quoted below): if you are scum, I feel the only option of scum on your wagon is Notice.
...lol. This proves that you do not know me at all, and this is a good example of why I keep thinking you're not genuinely trying to solve the game.

If scum have obviously not bussed (
or been able to push through a bus
) all game, why in hell do you think I would start now and stay on the wagon? I could have easily springboarded on to Nero or Kid by this stage if I were scum trying to distance from buddy!Leon. This is a fact based on the gamestate. Leon's scumflip makes me all but conftown.
How would you even know they havent bussed? Noone knows this at this point. They very well couldve been bussing without us biting.

Also if you really can still come in here and state shit like "I dont think you've been honestly trying to solve the game" THAN BACK IT UP. I have done about 600+ posts of gamesolving out of my 1200 or however many posts it are, so then show me where im full of shit or dishonest.

YOU CANT. and stating you think someone is posting this freely with all their thoughts out in the open, and doing it in a dishonest way without it being blatant for such a long time is utter horse-shit.
1. Again you don't really read the post. See bolded.
2. I just highlighted that in the VERY post you are responding to. I also dislike the way you pretend as though people aren't pointing that out when they clearly are.
In post 13130, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13111, Vecna wrote:Talk to me about Alisae. Is there any other reason for the townread on the slot except the Yume read? Couldnt they have talked about that in their hydra PT to get rid of it/abuse it?
Not a chance. If you knew Yume you'd feel that too. Plus the meta tell on Alisae that nancy found, and then you add on that this isn't how scum!Alisae plays, especially at the time of the game starting.

Alisae as town has some weird stances but the tone is always genuine. It's hard for me to describe, but I have a very good record of reading Alibae.

Plus I'm fairly sure scum tried to kill Alibae last night and got cockblocked by the doc.
In post 13139, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13122, Vecna wrote:Also Jaereed, I hope you'll actually enter a dialogue about other people with me for once.

This is my prime reason to be suspicious of your slot. Whenever people make some mention of you and why theyre suspicious youre allways very quickly there to point out the inconsistencies (and you do a good job in that).

But I want to have dialogue about our reads - the more interesting stuff.
I'm not really there so quickly. It's all dependent on when things were said and when I read up (for instance stuff at night that I read on my phone I usually wouldn't respond to because it required me switching accounts).

I do feel like I have given you reasons for my reads though. It just gets drowned out in the activity of the thread.
In post 13150, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13135, Leonshade wrote:@Vecna: Why doesn't the fact that my wagon is at best 1/8 scum in your reads make you doubt your reads? If you think I'm scum, why don't you think scum is bussing? I've been the most probable lynch practically all day. If my buddies were being this obvious about staying off/trying to derail my lynch (with a parity cop in play no less), they would be easy pickings after my near-inevitable lynch. And for me, knowing that I'm town, the idea that the entire scumteam is staying off my wagon makes no sense.
...I'm just gonna point this out since I believe it extends to most of the scum team at this point and I feel like this is a fear tactic.
In post 13103, JaeReed wrote:If scum have obviously not bussed (or been able to push through a bus) all game, why in hell do you think I would start now and stay on the wagon? I could have easily springboarded on to Nero or Kid by this stage if I were scum trying to distance from buddy!Leon. This is a fact based on the gamestate.
In post 13163, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13141, Vecna wrote:
In post 13139, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13122, Vecna wrote:Also Jaereed, I hope you'll actually enter a dialogue about other people with me for once.

This is my prime reason to be suspicious of your slot. Whenever people make some mention of you and why theyre suspicious youre allways very quickly there to point out the inconsistencies (and you do a good job in that).

But I want to have dialogue about our reads - the more interesting stuff.
I'm not really there so quickly. It's all dependent on when things were said and when I read up (for instance stuff at night that I read on my phone I usually wouldn't respond to because it required me switching accounts).

I do feel like I have given you reasons for my reads though. It just gets drowned out in the activity of the thread.
Yeah im not saying you havent, id just like more dialogue to see things from your perspective. I feel youre a crucial part in this whole puzzle since youre a lot more in-tune with reading Alisae/Nancy, and clearly our ideas about the gamestate are different in some areas. And ofcourse theres still that weird thing with the Yuri slot.
It would help to have pointed questions I think. I am honestly not sure what you want from me here because I feel like you're being vague with your requests. You tell me to give more on my reads when I feel I have already explained them, for example.

Like, you can say "do stuff" and I can say "I've been out dancing, picked up my cousin, drank 2 cartons of rum in 2 days..." and then you'll just say "that's not the stuff I wanted" (one of those things is a lie btw but the other two I did do!). I've talked about my Alisae, Math, Creature reads in what I feel to be on repeat and in detail. I talked about RC a bit when I was directly asked about it. I explained my read on your slot and Maxous and why they're tied together. I'm pretty sure I talked about my davesaz read too (tho that might have been in mausoleum instead of here tbf). I've talked about Yuri and about Leon. Like, if you want an answer on how I feel about something I don't get why you don't just
ask
me about it.
In post 13165, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13158, Leonshade wrote:
In post 13150, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13135, Leonshade wrote:@Vecna: Why doesn't the fact that my wagon is at best 1/8 scum in your reads make you doubt your reads? If you think I'm scum, why don't you think scum is bussing? I've been the most probable lynch practically all day. If my buddies were being this obvious about staying off/trying to derail my lynch (with a parity cop in play no less), they would be easy pickings after my near-inevitable lynch. And for me, knowing that I'm town, the idea that the entire scumteam is staying off my wagon makes no sense.
...I'm just gonna point this out since I believe it extends to most of the scum team at this point and I feel like this is a fear tactic.
In post 13103, JaeReed wrote:If scum have obviously not bussed (or been able to push through a bus) all game, why in hell do you think I would start now and stay on the wagon? I could have easily springboarded on to Nero or Kid by this stage if I were scum trying to distance from buddy!Leon. This is a fact based on the gamestate.
I'm not scumreading you, so why is this relevant?
Pointing out that if you're scum there's a good reason gamestate-wise that not many scum would be on your wagon.

The point is relevant regardless of having made it about myself. I don't expect scum in this gamestate to suddenly go bus heavy.

If you're town it's a different story, obviously, but I was pointing out why the argument you're making there is a fear tactic to get people to unvote. Town!Leon understands that scum likely aren't bussing here.
In post 13166, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13145, Vecna wrote:Gorkington sure has convenient timing in vanishing.
I believe this ties in to my previous post about reaching out to players directly if you want something from them if you're town.
In post 13170, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13164, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I think the problem is that a large part of your reads on some players are meta based.
Some players, yes. But I have tried to explain those as best I can. I feel like the only one I can't put into words perfectly is Alibae.
In post 13172, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13168, nancy wrote:Notice if you're not 100% sure on this flipping scum why have you been unwavering at pole position?
Are you 100% sure on anyone flipping scum here? If you're going to shade throw then you might as well be fucking explicit about it. You of all people know how fucking floored my RL has been lately, and you know I wasn't even the first one on Leon, I'm just the only person who hasn't moved off.
Also, if you have Alibae as a townread I should be hard town ftr. Your reads are pure bullshit.
In post 13180, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13174, nancy wrote:So the answer is you've been too busy? Although you said earlier that you had noticed other people being wagoned but chose not to join.
Wagons iirc were kidamn (unlikely to go through and more likely to be town than Leon) and Nero (which I think isn't likely to go through and Leons vote there put me off entirely).

So yes, I had opportunity to jump off, but no, I didn't have opportunity to walk you through in baby steps why I wasn't doing so.
In post 13182, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13176, nancy wrote:Why should my read on you be connected to my read on Aslan btw? Am I forgetting something?
No. You're likely scum so continue like you are and my flip will sentence you to your death.

@Math, Ali, RC, Creature Powerlynch this when I die. Remember this post please.
In post 13190, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13177, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 13170, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13164, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I think the problem is that a large part of your reads on some players are meta based.
Some players, yes. But I have tried to explain those as best I can. I feel like the only one I can't put into words perfectly is Alibae.
I can tell. I understand your tell but I don't think it's as good as reading into his tonal difference that he cannot fake as scum.

Imagine if you were extremely unfamiliar with everyone here and had to give out a reads list right now, what reasoning would you give for those you given out meta reads on? If you can't really give an answer than I think you need to reevaluate.
His tonal difference is a part of my read too though. The problem is as you should remember from firework mafia when smith asked me to articulate how I found a player to be tonally different... I can't. Tone is very hard for me to put in to words, so I try to find something I can.

Alisae isn't afraid to make their viewpoint and feelings known to the game. He isn't afraid to make enemies in his attempts at scumhunting and the way he deliberately targeted me early game was townie because we had hydra'd recently and so he would feel as town he could get a good read on me by doing so. He hasn't played like someone who has buddies to protect.

Creature has been putting his thoughts out in the thread as they come to him and has been trying to actively solve the game through PoE, which boils down to a playstyle difference that most people are scumreading him for I think.

My read on you I tried to explain early game and probably did a bad job tbh but it's really hard to explain that properly. If I could just say "gut" and put it down to that while still being entirely honest I would, but that's not what the read is.

It frustrates me to not be able to explain reads properly when I'm asked for them because I often can't explain things perfectly and people keep poking at it and I just can't do what they need all the time.

A common thing with all of these btw is that they seem to be suffering from the apathy I'm struggling against here. To be honest this game just feels like we're waiting to lose and it does kill motivation. LUV giving up for a long time was how I felt, and Creature complaining about people basically not following his reads also, and Alisae sheeping what seems to be a town RC is also relatable (hell I think at one stage I asked Ali to give me a name to sheep on for a scum flip this day phase even). They're mindsets I can understand and have been feeling and so that's another point for them being my alignment imo.
In post 13191, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13186, nancy wrote:I'm so confused how that post means that your flip will sentence my death ROFL
^^^ fishing
In post 13193, JaeReed wrote:There is literally no way nancy as town doesn't have me in her top two tiers by now. She knows me well enough to know this is my town game.
In post 13327, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13240, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 12997, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 12990, Alisae wrote:
In post 12987, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 12980, Alisae wrote:btw PV I also claimed to have Mausoleum because I think Vecna is town trying to unite the town together and I'm just trying to help out with that.
If you were, who would have been your guests each night?
N1 Titus hydra
N2 JaeReed hydra
N3 Pine/Caesar
what extra info have you gained about each one? like, whats your read on each?
@Jaereed
@Pine/Caesar


Would like to hear your take on the hoods.
Ali tried really hard to breathe some motivation back into me in the hood and wanted me to get my maxous case together. He had some paranoia about math which I pointed out math can't be scum and iirc referenced the game In Memory which we all completed during D1 of this game.

Which In Memory had Alibae in a neighbourhood with The DEO for all those yapping on about how he should have neighborized elsewhere.
In post 13418, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13328, Alisae wrote:Jae what happened to your hydra?
Shit has been hitting the fan irl which makes logging in harder than it should be.

UNVOTE:

@Leon was the way you jumped on, not just that you jumped on.
In post 13425, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13416, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 13409, nancy wrote:
In post 13404, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 13402, nancy wrote:Put Creature as Town and Maxous as ? for now.
Creature and Max have to be the same alignment unless you are buying into that thing Jae proposed.
What'd they propose?
I think it was like Dave is scum with one of Max/Creature.
I floated a theory. You keep playing this game where you twist my words.
In post 13434, JaeReed wrote:nancy is scum. Kid and Leon both have to be mislynches.

VOTE: nancy
In post 13457, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13437, MathBlade wrote:
In post 13434, JaeReed wrote:nancy is scum. Kid and Leon both have to be mislynches.

VOTE: nancy
Nope kid is scum. Put your vote back please BaeReed.
I was on Leon before. nancy doesn't bus, therefore every lynch she has tried to achieve today is town. I'd much rather lynch her over town.

A town nancy doesn't spin a fucking narrative on me doing what LUV said Vecna wanted to try to give him something if he's town. A town nancy knows that my read on Aslan is fucking genuine and nancy in this day phase SAID SHE PICKED UP ON WHAT HAPPENED LAST NIGHT BUT DOESN'T HAVE ME AS A TOWN READ AND LATER DENIES KNOWLEDGE.

She's scum guaranteed. A town nancy doesn't scumread me here ever and doesn't float multiball in a
clear
situation where multiball is almost guaranteed to not be a thing.

pedit and now she's forcing the odd night/even night theory that has happened pretty much NEVER. I'm going to double check Undertale for who was pushing that because I'm pretty sure it's a scumtell.
In post 13467, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13441, Nero Cain wrote:So by confirming that you said this, me asking if Nancy was buying into this is misrepping you how?
You're framing it as though that's what I believe has happened when I said it's a theory. It only means that Maxous or dave flipping scum at one point means I look more at the other.

Like you do this a lot with my posts, I say I don't have STRONG scumreads, and you say I don't have reads, and I'm starting to think it's just coming from scum instead of bad town and RC and Math were right.
In post 13489, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13468, nancy wrote:
In post 13457, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13437, MathBlade wrote:
In post 13434, JaeReed wrote:nancy is scum. Kid and Leon both have to be mislynches.

VOTE: nancy
Nope kid is scum. Put your vote back please BaeReed.
I was on Leon before. nancy doesn't bus, therefore every lynch she has tried to achieve today is town. I'd much rather lynch her over town.

A town nancy doesn't spin a fucking narrative on me doing what LUV said Vecna wanted to try to give him something if he's town. A town nancy knows that my read on Aslan is fucking genuine and nancy in this day phase SAID SHE PICKED UP ON WHAT HAPPENED LAST NIGHT BUT DOESN'T HAVE ME AS A TOWN READ AND LATER DENIES KNOWLEDGE.

She's scum guaranteed. A town nancy doesn't scumread me here ever and doesn't float multiball in a
clear
situation where multiball is almost guaranteed to not be a thing.

pedit and now she's forcing the odd night/even night theory that has happened pretty much NEVER. I'm going to double check Undertale for who was pushing that because I'm pretty sure it's a scumtell.
I have no idea what happened last night. You shade and attack anyone who questions you. Is arguing that Maxous isn't scum because him being scum would require terrible play or multiball floating multiball? Is this like the scumtell of someone jumping on NKA?
You said coming in to the start of the day that you did, then you realized you didn't, then you adjusted your read, implying you understood.
In post 13491, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13480, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 13467, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13441, Nero Cain wrote:So by confirming that you said this, me asking if Nancy was buying into this is misrepping you how?
You're framing it as though that's what I believe has happened when I said it's a theory. It only means that Maxous or dave flipping scum at one point means I look more at the other.

Like you do this a lot with my posts, I say I don't have STRONG scumreads, and you say I don't have reads, and I'm starting to think it's just coming from scum instead of bad town and RC and Math were right.
You
DON'T
have reads. Besides the Nancy-scum you are pushing now your main pushes have been Vecna for most of the game, Max (who I think is either town or scum with scum with Creature, in that order) and Leon for most of the day. Maybe you don't like hearing about your play or something but I'm not misrepping you.
Not having STRONG SCUMREADS is not the same as not having READS. I have hard townreads that I will never lynch, which you even commented on at one point. THOSE ARE READS. I can't see you honestly believing that the only reads that matter are super strong scumreads.

Plus earlier you were all on about how I only pushed Vecna. That was provably false because I was on Leon and I was pushing Max when I thought Vecna was town for the way he was pushing Vecna. I was pushing nancy when she pulled that shit saying Ali was scum.
In post 13493, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13490, nancy wrote:I didn't understand :/

You can't link me to posts or anything?
You have like 7 pages of ISO and you actually know I'm busy today and every weekend so no. Not to mention if you're scum it's downright fucking detrimental of me to do so.
In post 13498, JaeReed wrote:Alisae < I would rather lynch a person claiming a guilty on this than ever lynch this
Creature, Math, LUV, Caesar Wills It, RadiantCowbells < All obvtown and I would rather no lynch than lynch any of these
Gorkington, Cloudkicker < Townish with some doubts. With Gork I want to spend some time asking specific questions that I haven't gotten around to because I feel like he has the same problem as I do in that he doesn't know wtf people actually want from him, and with CK I think ssbm did an ssbm specific towntell
KidAmn < More likely to be town for how the D1 wagon played out I think
Vecna < On probation, preferably I want him and RC parity copped
davesaz, Maxous < Mechanically these are the same alignment, I think. If Vecna is town Maxous is scum though, and davesaz with the lurking didn't exactly endear himself to me but Math thinks dave is town so idunno and the outing of the wonder was townish I think because it's stressful thinking you might get nked and not knowing if your results will be lost, but also it's possible he's just scum that knows he won't be nightkilled and is trying to off chance if the vig doesn't shoot math make it so he's not the target?
Nero Cain, Leonshade < If we had more time I would actually want to sort this more given the latest bouts of posting from both of them. I do not think they are the same alignment.
nancy < talked about this recently

Ok I'm trying to work out how to do this Math, sorry if I mess it up. My partner originally thought we needed to watch out for backstabbers due to experience with those who might be prone to that in history. Last night I held hands with a red haired child as he crossed the street, and some people I think were going to bully him but couldn't because I was there. Today I'm so hungry that I was thinking I might go for a steak but I wasn't sure whether it was better to not since I actually don't really like meat, and while I dislike 50 shades of grey on principle I thought maybe I should read it tonight for posterity's sake, but I kinda wanted your thoughts on that?

I'm pretty sure you understand how my reads have been colored this game so if I die before you can you please out that information for me? If nancy's scum like I think then I think I'm fucked and guaranteed to be dead because I pushed on her too soon. Please do not ever let Ali be lynched, and help RC see scum!nancy is the highest probability if I die, don't let them get out of NKA on that. At this stage I think scum has Hanging Gardens or the vig wasn't picked up, unless someone is playing the waiting game as town on it, or scum have the vig and are waiting to endgame with it, which is also possible.
In post 13499, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13497, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 13491, JaeReed wrote:I can't see you honestly believing that the only reads that matter are super strong scumreads.
TBH, I do think they matter more than town reads. 1.) There are always going to more more town in a game than scum. So someone could just randomly assign town reads to various slots in a game and be mostly correct. This is why I think ppl that "town hunt" are largely full of shit. 2.) Scum already know who town are...and scum can't hunt their own.

TBH, I did only skim. I didn't even read but I think its a fair accusation that you've had a lack of reads and you've stuck to mainly tunneling Vecna and Max with a side of Leon today and now Nancy I guess. I guess you could nitpick my word choice at times but I think its plenty fair to be squinty eyed at you.
Then your issues with me are playstyle related. I don't think town hunting is invalid at all. It's a strong tool to use in mafia.

I pushed nancy earlier than just recently. I find a lot of things you do to be disingenuous.

For instance:
Saying being anti-town = scum, then self-voting, one of the most anti-town things to do, and whining that people don't believe your AtE. This is hypocritical at best and some really bad cog diss at worst.
Saying I don't have reads when it's provably false < your explanation for this seems to be that townreads don't count as reads and weaker scumreads don't count as reads, and associative reads don't count as reads.... So by your reasoning there RC must be conftown for his tunnel on you because he had a strong scumread coming in to the game...?
You used the excuse that you don't want to listen to the people who were on 3 mislynches up til now, and then when I pointed out that I wasn't you didn't re-evaluate on that at all, just said you mixed me up with someone else and then...nothing. Still to this day.
In post 13500, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13210, Leonshade wrote:
In post 13180, JaeReed wrote:Wagons iirc were kidamn (unlikely to go through and more likely to be town than Leon)
Why do you townread him more than me? He's at L-3 and I'm at L-2, why is he unlikely to go through? What do you think are the reasons behind it being unlikely to go through?
In post 13180, JaeReed wrote:Nero (which I think isn't likely to go through and Leons vote there put me off entirely).
Why would you be scared off a read based on one read? Are you that confident in your SR on me?
In post 13190, JaeReed wrote:A common thing with all of these btw is that they seem to be suffering from the apathy I'm struggling against here. To be honest this game just feels like we're waiting to lose and it does kill motivation. LUV giving up for a long time was how I felt, and Creature complaining about people basically not following his reads also, and Alisae sheeping what seems to be a town RC is also relatable (hell I think at one stage I asked Ali to give me a name to sheep on for a scum flip this day phase even). They're mindsets I can understand and have been feeling and so that's another point for them being my alignment imo.
Those are not the only players who have suffered from apathy. How do you feel about my apathy D3/earlier D4?
1) The D1 Yuri wagon, I've gone over this before. I didn't realize he was so close tbh.
2) The way you jumped on Nero was awful. Retcon doesn't fix that.
3) Tbh I read it as you lurking the moment Vecna got suspicious of you, which is more strategic than apathetic. I don't feel true apathy from you.
In post 13503, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13003, Nero Cain wrote:Why is Math's and Leon's
aTe
genuine but not mine or Kids?
In post 13552, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13543, nancy wrote:
In post 13539, RadiantCowbells wrote:Yeah I'm getting nightkilled tonight
I WILL PROTECT YOU
kill this.
In post 13553, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13547, nancy wrote:I'm not doc obviously btw that was a joke.
a really bad one.
In post 13580, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13525, MathBlade wrote:I think if you want to read BDSM during the night please do it with someone you trust. Are you sure the child is a child? Like I understand some of it but some of that makes my brain hurt. If you are NK'd I promise to reread everything you did.

Pedit: Aslan is not scum nancy. Points for trying but get your vote back on Kid.
urgh sorry. I'm no good at this.
I don't want to eat steak if I can't watch taskmaster on tv because of it.
The child is more a child at heart, likes to read The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe.

pedit Vecna and one of the obvtowns please. nancy/alisae is an ok check but Vecna is the one i really struggle with. can do nancy/ali later.
In post 13587, JaeReed wrote:
In post 13583, RadiantCowbells wrote:no Jae you didn't fucking vote Nero with me and you're half of the reason we lynched kid today. Nero/nancy end story.
What?

I NEVER FUCKING VOTED KID CAN YOU STOP BEING A FUCKING ASSHOLE TO SPECIFICALLY ME?
In post 13639, JaeReed wrote:
Cowvig: daybells


Thanks Nahdia for allowing that. I should be back with a bit more laptop access now.
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Post Post #13650 (isolation #263) » Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:28 pm

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Spoiler:


Alibae I don't think Kid is scum.
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Post Post #13656 (isolation #264) » Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:29 pm

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restriction?
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Post Post #13667 (isolation #265) » Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:35 pm

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Post Post #13686 (isolation #266) » Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:41 pm

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In post 13682, nancy wrote:People won't cooperate *shrug* they think I'm scum
By people you mean Jae.
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Post Post #14368 (isolation #267) » Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:48 pm

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In post 13822, Vecna wrote:First things first; Nancy - In case you built the RedFort: you would have received a visit from me if creature lied about roleblocking me. I used my wonder to make it appear to the tracker (who is dead) that you visited SantaClause (well at least I did untill the mod had to ruin the fun. Just as a longshot to verify whether creature rb'd me.
Is that even how it works? Wouldn't it only show to be visiting the tracker then because his results are the one you're messing with? Like going into a cop's desk and fucking with their papers, you're not actually going to the other person they're getting the report in?

Would have been better to choose Red Fort to make a result of you visiting them?
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Post Post #14369 (isolation #268) » Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:50 pm

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In post 13828, Vecna wrote:
In post 13799, Alisae wrote:It's a factional ability.
pedit: Creats is conftown.
No he's not.
Yes he is.
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Post Post #14370 (isolation #269) » Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:53 pm

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In post 13831, Leonshade wrote:Interesting that Maxous flipped with the Wonder info. Either scum doesn't have the Janitor wonder, or they didn't want to use that player for the kill for some reason.

Though honestly, scum might have just gone "fuck it" to the Janitor wonder, it's a pretty middling ability in this game.
Feels fake. "I couldn't possibly be scum because I have no idea why Maxous would flip with wonder info"

I regret doubting myself because of your AtE yesterday.
In post 13832, Leonshade wrote:
In post 13827, Alisae wrote:Vecna or maybe they were doctor hunting?
He was hanging low for the majority of yesterday.
That was also my thought, it's the Occam's razor explanation (since essentially making Creature conftown would be a pretty bad play otherwise).
If this was your thought, why didn't you voice it instead of piggybacking off of Ali? This smells of buddying.
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Post Post #14371 (isolation #270) » Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:54 pm

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In post 13833, Leonshade wrote:
In post 13828, Vecna wrote:
In post 13799, Alisae wrote:It's a factional ability.
pedit: Creats is conftown.
No he's not.
Creature is town by play, and only scum if davesaz (or you) are scum with him.
This is a MASSIVE walk back from his previous read of Creature.
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Post Post #14375 (isolation #271) » Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:15 pm

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In post 13841, Vecna wrote:Like, how did scum even know that Maxous had the doctor? Because I sure had no goddamn clue, and I feel that this kill is totally not wonder-related unless I missed another subtle hint somewhere.
If you feel it's not wonder related then you should take a hard look at the fact he was townreading me.

The options:
1) Scum are continuing to whittle down the people that townread me so that there's a town or two that scumread me for mylo/lylo so I can be the game losing mislynch.
2) Scum found Maxous as doc and figured the other doc was so blatant about the protects that Maxous was more of a threat due to being a wildcard.

Add more if you like but those are the two that jump to my mind upon seeing that, especially considering I could have easily swung back to a Maxous SR if I ended up townreading you again, and with Fro99er dying N1 a Hanging Gardens claim was going to be equivalent to a scumclaim to me, and I have the feeling it would have been read that way to a few other people as well. Scum could have mislynched Maxous instead of nightkilling him, so the question is why? Ergo, one of my two options here are the main things I see viable. Number 2 might be the more likely, the first still kind of feels like I'm going crazy since no one else seems to have noticed so much.
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Post Post #14377 (isolation #272) » Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:18 pm

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In post 13848, Leonshade wrote:
In post 13841, Vecna wrote:Like, how did scum even know that Maxous had the doctor? Because I sure had no goddamn clue, and I feel that this kill is totally not wonder-related unless I missed another subtle hint somewhere.
There's been a LOT of claims, and Maxous's lurking fits the profile of a doctor. Though I do agree that he's still an odd kill, not the first one I would make if I was doc hunting.

Stretching this logic to its conclusion, maybe many of the claimed VTs are telling the truth, and scum is in some of the other lurkers who could fit the profile of a doctor?
And here it is, Vecna.

If you're town this is exactly what I was talking about, and I need you to seriously consider the implications of this.
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Post Post #14379 (isolation #273) » Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:21 pm

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In post 13858, Leonshade wrote:In this situation, scum decided to kill Maxous. Maxous was a bold kill due to the result with Creature. So why was he chosen, if scum was trying to PR hunt, over CloudKicker, Gorkington, Senpai and nancy? nancy's been pretty loud all game, so she's a safe choice to not be doctor. Meanwhile CK, Gorkington and Senpai's slots have been much more laid back all game, and would all be good candidates for a doc hunt kill.

Conclusion: there's scum in {CK, Gork, Senpai}. I was scumreading CK anyway, but it wouldn't surprise me for there to be at least two scum here. With two/three scum in CK/Gork/Senpai, Maxous being a doc would be a pretty obvious conclusion for scum to draw.
Maxous asked to be trusted on Pine, said he thought it was a doc protect, TR me, lurked a lot.

Like, he even said Maxous was a decent doc candidate then goes and makes this post. It's gross.
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Post Post #14380 (isolation #274) » Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:23 pm

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In post 13859, Leonshade wrote:The idea that Maxous was a manipulative kill is really hard for me to believe. Even if Creature is somehow scum with davesaz or Vecna, killing Maxous for the sake of read manipulation or confusion wouldn't be worth it. If Creature + one other is scum, it's better to keep Maxous alive to either keep suspicion off the scum, or keep suspicion on Maxous.

So Maxous being killed as a result of doc hunting makes sense, and I think scum had a really good grasp on who the doc was due to the claims plus scum member PoE.
In post 13860, Vecna wrote:^ good post, allthough you couldve made it as scum as well. but keep em coming and I might start showing you some more love again.

Theres something more going on though........But I probably really shouldnt speculate on that.

I think I got what you meant there btw Alisae - with you not wanting to discuss it.
Really not a good post. It was obvious who Parthenon was yesterday if you bothered to read the game at all.
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Post Post #14382 (isolation #275) » Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:33 pm

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In post 13871, Leonshade wrote:Great Wall was the only ascetic Wonder IIRC, so roleblocker it is.
I also feel like a town!Leon would have recognized the fakeclaim there for what it was. RC does that shit all the time to try to avoid being nightkilled.

Caveat being if he hasn't really played with RC it's NAI, it's just a really quick conclusion to jump to here I think, just assuming that RC didn't lie about being basically 1s bp as a player with an ego and a history of being nightkilled? Hell, as a player who said multiple times last day phase he was dead that night, even.
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Post Post #14383 (isolation #276) » Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:34 pm

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In post 13875, Caesar Wills It wrote:
We are unsurprised that you would so pervert the truth, Leonshade. The function of Chichen Itza is dependent on successful targeting of both subjects, so choosing anyone who had built a Great Wall would likely cause the action to fail. While We concur that the failure was possibly due to the action of a roleblocker, as your treasonous friends would almost certainly prioritize the defeat of Senator davesaz, the possible existence of a Great Wall would also stymie the effort. Your dismissal of such a possibility speaks to a desire to paint a false narrative.

We are most sorely wroth that Our mandated conviction against the scoundrel Leonshade failed not once but twice in the previous session, almost certainly due to the distracting influence of his evil friends. We shall be researching the Senate record in an attempt to identify them.
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Post Post #14384 (isolation #277) » Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:35 pm

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nancy, I have the house to myself tonight, once I finish catching up can we OP?
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Post Post #14386 (isolation #278) » Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:41 pm

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In post 13904, RadiantCowbells wrote:Maxous was hard defending Ceasar and that's about all I see in their iso. If scum wanted to take forbidden palace away from him then it makes sense to kill Maxous to make that mislynch easier.
Point. Good.

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Post Post #14387 (isolation #279) » Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:43 pm

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In post 13907, CloudKicker wrote:i read last pages, the doc pool analysis was good, i just think leon is discarding that doc might claim vts
No it wasn't, it was trying to set up to mislynch town's remaining doctor.
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Post Post #14388 (isolation #280) » Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:03 pm

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In post 13997, Vecna wrote:Somewhere in a dark alley both Notice and Gorkington are evilly laughing
It was 9am and the day had just started but ok, sure.
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Post Post #14389 (isolation #281) » Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:07 pm

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In post 14022, Nero Cain wrote:Maybe we should listen to the guy that wasn't all over a bunch of mislynches.
Me, then?
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Post Post #14390 (isolation #282) » Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:33 pm

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In post 14116, Alisae wrote:Math help I feel like giving up, give me motivation.
Spoiler:
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Post Post #14391 (isolation #283) » Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:35 pm

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In post 14118, Vecna wrote:Like, id sign in a heartbeat for a NoticeMeSenpai wagon.....

and id be like 65% certain we'd just get a scum easy like that.
yeahhh you're not even trying at this stage. I'll still keep talking to Ali about the read on you to bounce off and see if I'm wrong but I am pretty much done.

If you're town this loss is entirely on your head, you've led town to fucking ruins over and over and over again, you've promised to re-evaluate based on what I've said then picked fights for the sake of picking them with me so that you can justify your shit ass read on me.
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Post Post #14397 (isolation #284) » Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:10 am

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In post 14221, Vecna wrote:There was also this thing where Notice came out to do a WEIRD WEIRD townread on Gin, and later claimed it was some reaction test - which apparently he wanted Ali to cover for. Writing this, it could also look something like this I guess:

Scumteam 2:
Leonshade
Alisae
RC
Notice
Gorkington
Which Ali can back up, yeah, but you only need to look at the fact that I also ran a reaction test on him to see if he'd claim a scum wonder when he replaced in to know that I'm telling the truth there.

Also, this team holds zero thought whatsoever.
Leonshade can't be scum with me.
Gork replaced Elbirn who can't be scum with me.
There's also no way I'd tie myself this heavily to Ali if we were scum together.

Not to mention the plain facts that Alisae and RC just can't be scum in this game.
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Post Post #14398 (isolation #285) » Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:14 am

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In post 14259, davesaz wrote:
In post 14067, Vecna wrote:Davesaz, are you waiting for instructions in the scumchat or something?

Cmon man, out those targets already.
I'm waiting to see what my targets say, in particular if they guess they were targets. I think there are now 8 pages I haven't read, and it's dinner time.
RC/Vecna
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Post Post #15473 (isolation #286) » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:48 pm

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In post 14319, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 14312, Alisae wrote:
In post 14309, Nero Cain wrote:I'd expect a town Alisae to be hunting more than ever
Why?
We've yet to lynch scum and you've been resting on your laurels for the past two days. Scum is comfortable with the gamestate and all they need to do is mislynch. You fit that description.
Ali being demotivated town is the most likely explanation. Scum need their mislynch to win, so Ali would be doing more as scum to get that imo.
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Post Post #15474 (isolation #287) » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:52 pm

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In post 14347, RadiantCowbells wrote:Jae can't fucking read me alisae don't follow their read
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I have literally been saying repeatedly that I think you're town.
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Post Post #15475 (isolation #288) » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:58 pm

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In post 14392, Leonshade wrote:
In post 13931, RadiantCowbells wrote:Leon you have no structure built correct?
Correct. Now I'm going to borrow Vecna's shtick for a moment.

I HAVE PRIORITY AND I'M GOING TO TRY TO BUILD THE VIGILANTE WONDER. AT LEAST ONE OTHER TOWN PLAYER WITH PRIORITY SHOULD ATTEMPT TO DO THE SAME. BY THIS POINT IT'S OBVIOUS THAT SCUM TOOK THE FORBIDDEN PALACE, ALLOWING THEM TO BLOCK ONE TOWN PLAYER FROM ATTEMPTING TO BUILD A WONDER TODAY. SCUM HAVE A REALLY GOOD GRASP ON THE TOWN'S WONDERS AT THIS POINT, AT THIS POINT THERE'S NO USE ATTEMPTING TO HIDE WHO WILL TRY TO BUILD WHAT. THEY WILL BE ABLE TO GET THE VIGILANTE IF ONLY ONE TOWNIE GOES FOR IT, WE MUST HAVE AT LEAST TWO TOWN ATTEMPT IT.

SCUM GETTING THE STRONGMAN VIG COULD MEAN GAME OVER IF WE MISLYNCH, WE MUST SACRIFICE PRIORITY TO NOT LOSE TONIGHT.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THIS PLAN?
^ scum trying to not eat rope today
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Post Post #15477 (isolation #289) » Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:03 pm

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In post 14399, Leonshade wrote:
In post 14124, Vecna wrote:The one person we should lynch on principle though is Ceasar.

VOTE: Ceasar
We're not lynching anyone on principle in potential MYLO. We need a scumflip now more than ever.
LAMIST, this much is obvious.
In post 14135, Nero Cain wrote:I changed my mind slightly. I just don't think a townLeon would have been that hard to lynch.
I went to L-1, and while the people you're claiming are my buddies could've hammered me (and made a point not to), davesaz and Maxous had the opportunity to hammer as well. I could've been lynched at any point.
Yet he wasn't lynched.
If scum wanted Leon lynched he would be lynched.
Ergo, scum don't want Leon lynched.
Natural conclusion: Leon is scum.
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Post Post #15479 (isolation #290) » Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:17 pm

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In post 14406, Leonshade wrote:
In post 14370, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
In post 13831, Leonshade wrote:Interesting that Maxous flipped with the Wonder info. Either scum doesn't have the Janitor wonder, or they didn't want to use that player for the kill for some reason.

Though honestly, scum might have just gone "fuck it" to the Janitor wonder, it's a pretty middling ability in this game.
1)
Feels fake. "I couldn't possibly be scum because I have no idea why Maxous would flip with wonder info"

I regret doubting myself because of your AtE yesterday.
In post 13832, Leonshade wrote:
In post 13827, Alisae wrote:Vecna or maybe they were doctor hunting?
He was hanging low for the majority of yesterday.
That was also my thought, it's the Occam's razor explanation (since essentially making Creature conftown would be a pretty bad play otherwise).
2)
If this was your thought, why didn't you voice it instead of piggybacking off of Ali? This smells of buddying.
1) Why do you think a townie wouldn't write the same thing?

2) Day had just started at that point. I didn't see the flip and immediately have the idea, I thought about it while discussing other things. Ali expressed the idea when the conversation turned to the motivation behind the kill, so I voiced my agreement.
1) Seems like you were making a point of thinking it out in the thread to show it was on your mind, which would equate to "why would scum be thinking about the janitor wonder so much, must be town". I guess it's possible for town to actually be thinking about it that much though, if they were absolutely sure scum got it. But that doesn't line up with your earlier stance of thinking Vecna is town, because the only reason to not use it would be that Creature looked like he was going to roleblock the person using it.
2) It still looks like buddying to me of both Ali and Creature. But okay.
In post 14371, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
In post 13833, Leonshade wrote:
In post 13828, Vecna wrote:
In post 13799, Alisae wrote:It's a factional ability.
pedit: Creats is conftown.
No he's not.
Creature is town by play, and
only scum if davesaz (or you) are scum with him
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This is a MASSIVE walk back from his previous read of Creature.
I've townread him since Day One, what's the walk back?
The bolded. If you're saying Creature has been town by play, and is now confirmed town by the maxous/creature alignment sharing result, then drawing associatives where they're not there allows Vecna to springboard off that to continue to scumread Creature through scumreading davesaz. It's not actually defending Creature, it's instead lowkey encouraging the scumread.
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Post Post #16508 (isolation #291) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:04 pm

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ok so I'm behind like 70ish pages, I wasn't feeling well enough yesterday to continue from where I was up to. I've seen bits and pieces but not enough to know what happened to blow the thread up.

@Leon thinking about the point you made that I've had a diff perspective, if you're honest about you not noticing that could actually be more town indicative than anything because scum were doc hunting as well I think.
@Nero Ali's contributions to the hood are down enough that mastina stepped in as cheerleading squad to try and help motivate

If there were more questions for me let me know. Can someone I trust please update me on the pages I missed out on? Math? RC?
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Post Post #16515 (isolation #292) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:14 pm

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In post 16510, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 16508, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:ok so I'm behind like 70ish pages, I wasn't feeling well enough yesterday to continue from where I was up to. I've seen bits and pieces but not enough to know what happened to blow the thread up.

@Leon thinking about the point you made that I've had a diff perspective, if you're honest about you not noticing that could actually be more town indicative than anything because scum were doc hunting as well I think.
@Nero Ali's contributions to the hood are down enough that mastina stepped in as cheerleading squad to try and help motivate

If there were more questions for me let me know. Can someone I trust please update me on the pages I missed out on? Math? RC?
Vecna had a really cool google docs for the distribution of wonders and the rest of it is me trying to get more votes on Nero.

FTR I am at the point where I am willing to be lynched if Nero is town. There's no way that he flips scum. Please vote with me.
I'll think about it, I'd like to catch up somewhat first and get a VC to know what's going on. I'd almost expect Nero to be lurking more here as scum? What's your experience with scum and town Nero?
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Post Post #16519 (isolation #293) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:17 pm

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In post 16511, MathBlade wrote:
In post 16508, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:ok so I'm behind like 70ish pages, I wasn't feeling well enough yesterday to continue from where I was up to. I've seen bits and pieces but not enough to know what happened to blow the thread up.

@Leon thinking about the point you made that I've had a diff perspective, if you're honest about you not noticing that could actually be more town indicative than anything because scum were doc hunting as well I think.
@Nero Ali's contributions to the hood are down enough that mastina stepped in as cheerleading squad to try and help motivate

If there were more questions for me let me know. Can someone I trust please update me on the pages I missed out on? Math? RC?
Mass claim outright occurred I outed my suspicion of your role.
Ok, that's fine if it was happening anyway. I kind of didn't want it to happen in case the reason dave got no result was a roleblock but didn't know how to object to it :/ If it's mylo today then it doesn't matter though I guess.
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Post Post #16530 (isolation #294) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:27 pm

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In post 16513, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Notice can you confirm you role. I have questions while you have time.
Parthenon, didn't try to build anything else.

I wanted Petra but mastina told me to take Parthenon instead.
N2 Protected Caesar (mastina prodded me towards this one)
N3 Protected Alisae (had obvious crumbs about being neighborizer and In Memory we brutalized scum with the use of neighbourhoods)
N4 Protected dave (outed parity cop, was between him or RC for wifom)
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Post Post #16536 (isolation #295) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:32 pm

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In post 16523, MathBlade wrote:What was the steak bit BaeReed?
steak = cow = radiantcowbells
grey = davesaz's avatar color

I guess my crumb was still really bad :/ sorry, I tried. I wanted your opinion on whether to wifom it and protect RC from the nightkill or play it safe and go for dave since mastina wasn't entirely up to date with the gamestate at that point.
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Post Post #16540 (isolation #296) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:41 pm

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In post 16534, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 16533, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 16530, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
In post 16513, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Notice can you confirm you role. I have questions while you have time.
Parthenon, didn't try to build anything else.

I wanted Petra but mastina told me to take Parthenon instead.
N2 Protected Caesar (mastina prodded me towards this one)
N3 Protected Alisae (had obvious crumbs about being neighborizer and In Memory we brutalized scum with the use of neighbourhoods)
N4 Protected dave (outed parity cop, was between him or RC for wifom)
Why did Mastina feel Ceasar would be night killed? Why did you feel scum would be worried about Alisae being a neigborizer considering his meta?
EBWOP.
Past experience with Pine I think.
Good use of neighborizing can build a solid townbloc, which fucks scum over something fierce (again, citing In Memory where myself and Math were chaining hoods and ended up with a solid bloc that guaranteed a town win). Hoods are a very powerful tool in mafia.
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Post Post #16555 (isolation #297) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:55 pm

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In post 16542, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Yes but this is another side of Pine. An alter-ego he's put on. What experience does Mastina have with Ceasar?

See I just don't buy that. We had a town block during D1 that was okay at best and it was destroyed. I don't see how you thought you could successfully attempt to start another one considering how easily the first one was destroyed.
...Reread that first paragraph and understand you sound like an utter moron, please. Roleplaying a bit for your speech patterns does not make you an entirely different person in how you read the gamestate. Like, what the fuck are you smoking dude? I want some.

I mean I'm not the one necessarily doing the building, and the D1 block was artificially built. Town blocks should always form naturally. The D1 one didn't, it was a result of Titus strongarming it. That's not a true townblock.
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Post Post #16559 (isolation #298) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:58 pm

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In post 16544, MathBlade wrote:Yeah. Agreed townblocks when used carefully are good.

Who is your town block?
{Math, Alisae, Creature, LUV, Caesar, RC}

The mutual suspicions in the block help to keep scum from coasting, but I am certain all these are town.
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Post Post #16566 (isolation #299) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:04 pm

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In post 16545, MathBlade wrote:Who is your scum team BaeReed?
Not entirely sure. I don't do so well at doing associations (when I do pre-flips I almost always end up lynching town or causing town to be lynched) than I do individual scumreads then I work from there with VCA after a scum flip to find who to look at next. Then I look at their behaviour around the scumfirm. I'm missing that puzzle piece here. Individual scumreads are Vecna, Leonshade (maybe, but not paired with Nero), Nero (maybe but I have reservations for certain reasons I can't describe so we'll call those reservations gut for now), nancy (I always misread her though so I'm not sure, and I don't think she's partnered with Leon).

So I guess more likely there is Vecna/Nero/nancy/x/x? With the x's most likely being in my not lock towns somewhere?
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Post Post #16568 (isolation #300) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:07 pm

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In post 16561, MathBlade wrote:
In post 16559, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
In post 16544, MathBlade wrote:Yeah. Agreed townblocks when used carefully are good.

Who is your town block?
{Math, Alisae, Creature, LUV, Caesar, RC}

The mutual suspicions in the block help to keep scum from coasting, but I am certain all these are town.
LUV I disagree with. Everything else I could do.
I'll try to explain in a different way.

I don't think Vecna meta clears LUV early D1 if they're scum together. I believe it could have been an attempt to pocket him more than anything.
I don't believe LUV allows Vecna to meta clear him early D1 if they're scum together either. It seems like the perfect point to fake paranoia at a partner if anything and he didn't take that.

Therefore I don't believe LUV and Vecna are scum together.

Is my logic not solid?
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Post Post #16577 (isolation #301) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:15 pm

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In post 16562, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:No like what is that even? He clearly wants to be read based on how he's playing this character, not on Pine the actual person.
In post 16563, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:The fact that you think I'm high is baffling because you should understand where I'm coming from.
In post 16564, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:What has Ceasar, not Pine, has done to be night killed?
In post 16565, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:This isn't a hydra, this is a character he's putting on that he clearly wants people to try to read.
I don't think reading him is any different from reading Pine? I feel like you should understand that, given your propensity for reading someone's personality first. It's still Pine driving the character. It's still Pine's thought processes in the reads. The only thing that would realistically have changed is how easy it is to read his posts and see where he's coming from. It just takes a bit more thinking about and looking at the gamestate as a whole.

As for 16564 (jesus fucking christ this game length) I was reading into the way mastina was trying to ask me questions that was leading to a protect Pine mindset. He could have become a town leader and seemed like he was town in his processes and some of our reads were eerily similar at times. I could see scum trying to make that nightkill that early on. When it became clear to me he was lynchbait on D3 I moved on to Alisae. I mean the real question you could ask is why Maxous protected Pine N3? One of us got it right because there was no nightkill. Either Alisae or Pine was a good protect given that.
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Post Post #16578 (isolation #302) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:17 pm

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In post 16569, nancy wrote:
In post 16566, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
In post 16545, MathBlade wrote:Who is your scum team BaeReed?
Not entirely sure. I don't do so well at doing associations (when I do pre-flips I almost always end up lynching town or causing town to be lynched) than I do individual scumreads then I work from there with VCA after a scum flip to find who to look at next. Then I look at their behaviour around the scumfirm. I'm missing that puzzle piece here. Individual scumreads are Vecna, Leonshade (maybe, but not paired with Nero), Nero (maybe but I have reservations for certain reasons I can't describe so we'll call those reservations gut for now), nancy (I always misread her though so I'm not sure, and I don't think she's partnered with Leon).

So I guess more likely there is Vecna/Nero/nancy/x/x? With the x's most likely being in my not lock towns somewhere?
You're scumreading me? Please reset and go through your reasoning again here, Notice. There is no possible chance of me being scum with Nero, for starters.
I can't remember you trying to push Nero to a lynch?
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Post Post #16579 (isolation #303) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:18 pm

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In post 16574, nancy wrote:
In post 16569, nancy wrote:You're scumreading me? Please reset and go through your reasoning again here, Notice. There is no possible chance of me being scum with Nero, for starters.
There's actually no way that I can be scum with Leonshade or Vecna, either.
I literally said you can't be scum with Leonshade. Nice try though. Explain why not with Nero and Vecna. I don't remember you seriously pushing either; just Leon.
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Post Post #16585 (isolation #304) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:23 pm

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In post 16576, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Jae is trying to act like people don't request to not be read based on their main when they play on an alt.
Pine isn't playing on an alt though, it was originally intended as a hydra with a gimmick. Which means I am reading him based on his hydra head.

Besides which, I do read known alts based off their mains anyway. It's how I started trying to read Yuri once I realized who she was. I always have used the meta at my disposal and I always will, and if mastina has experience enough with a player to hint that she thinks they'd be a good doc protect when I'm in a role I'm ill-suited for then you can be damn well sure I'm going to take that helping hand, too.

You KNOW I use meta. Why are you pretending that you don't?
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Post Post #16586 (isolation #305) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:23 pm

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In post 16584, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Am I making sense? I feel like I'm not.
You're making sense but I think you're going about it the wrong way.

All you're familiarizing yourself with is a new speech pattern imo.
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Post Post #16587 (isolation #306) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:25 pm

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In post 16580, nancy wrote:I said at the start of the day that we're lynching Nero today, and I reaffirmed it when he said he was going for vig. I'm currently voting for him.

pedit because I was pushing Vecna's lynch Day 2 when he was at like L-2 before I switched to ABR. I wouldn't even push a lynch on a scumbud if I were scum. I think I'm even more anti-bus than you?
You find distancing to be acceptable given what I know. Switching to ABR makes sense given that? I'll go back and look it up when I can.
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Post Post #16588 (isolation #307) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:27 pm

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In post 16581, MathBlade wrote:I can review this but it makes much more sense Vecna+LUV together.

However assume I am wrong and only one is scum. Which?
Vecna.
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Post Post #16592 (isolation #308) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:45 pm

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In post 16590, MathBlade wrote:
In post 16588, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
In post 16581, MathBlade wrote:I can review this but it makes much more sense Vecna+LUV together.

However assume I am wrong and only one is scum. Which?
Vecna.
Who does mastina think is more likely scum? Nero or nancy?

Who do you think and why?

Where do you disagree and why?
mastina won't give me more reads. She helped out with my first doc protect and the wonder choice but that was it really as far as giving me a hand out. Most of the answers I get if I try to prise anything more from her are variations of a reminder that I begged her to not give me a free pass at the start of the game because it won't help me learn.

Nero has a lot of bad reasonings at times that can be reminiscent of bad town or bad scum, but as I said earlier I kind of thought he'd be more lurky as scum. nancy keeps pushing people I'm sure are town and flopping all over the place from hard townreading them to hard scumreading them. If one flips scum the other is conftown I think (so long as nancy HAS been hard pushing Nero) but it doesn't necessarily work in the opposite way that a townflip scumfirms the other.

Given that, I think it's more likely nancy would be town out of the two, since town are more likely to flail with reads and paranoia throughout the game than scum are? Scum can fake paranoia over a slot but nancy is all over the place in a Fro99er-esque manner? Whereas with Nero both town and scum can have bad reasoning and it can be hard to distinguish between the two at times.
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Post Post #16593 (isolation #309) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:50 pm

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In post 16591, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:If it means anything I think I would've doc'd Creature/Kyouko N2
I don't see either of those as people who are likely to be nightkilled?
Kyouko did some of the spec thing he did in my mini normal but was largely absent in his games across site from what I know, apparently he got addicted to Civ when he started playing cuz of this game. Your doc on Kyouko there would have been a friend doc more than a likely nightkill type doc I think?
Creature might be ok but I think he only dies early in games because people consider him a low info kill, and sometimes (gonna cite In Memory again) he's left alive because scum think he's lynchbait (which he is I think, until you have people who are aware of his meta in the game).
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Post Post #16594 (isolation #310) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:52 pm

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What's the vote count at?
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Post Post #16597 (isolation #311) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:13 pm

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Which is why I thought scum had Hanging Gardens tbh, since Fro99er was a bit of a no brainer I think? He was the most widely townread and willing to work with others even if he was all over the place.
My experience with PV is he doesn't get nightkilled early in the game but rather left for a lategame mislynch or nightkill. (Shadorun, Undertale) I really wasn't thinking of him as a viable protect given that, though Ali reamed me somewhat on not protecting PV when I claimed to him.
Kyouko wouldn't have died because he was being pushed on, he was lynchbait, so there's no point in protecting him there imo. I don't remember him ever having good reads in my mini normal either tbh. Him and Creature would have been seen as mislynchable, where Caesar I would have thought could normally put up a fight against his lynch. Once I realized he was seen as mislynchable as well I moved on to the obvtown neighborizer protect. I'm still not entirely sure Pine was targeted over Ali tbh. Unless scum got fed up with him not getting mislynched and decided to off him that way instead?

Anyway fair warning, my grandmother was in a place hit by a cyclone recently, tore roofs off houses and such, so I might end up V/LA since when we managed to get her on the phone just now she broke down... I might fly up to see if there's anything I can do once they allow flights there again. I'll announce it here if/when it happens and PM the mod but yeah.
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Post Post #16631 (isolation #312) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:02 pm

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In post 363, Akane and Nebby wrote:We chose in the group of {Mausoleum, Hanging gardens} so no one else pick from that grouping, okay?

- Akane
Fine, LUV... Take the stuff Math quoted and combine it with this post which was earlier than that.

A&N pretty clearly advertized they wanted Mausoleum.
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Post Post #16637 (isolation #313) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:05 pm

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In post 16613, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 16612, MathBlade wrote:
In post 16611, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Role doesn't confirm alignment but yes I think Creature and Dave are most likely town.
And what about Alisae and Senpai?
Claimed actions seem very suspect to me.
I also take offense to this ftr.

You would have protected lynchbait number 1 and 2. You have no right to criticize my doc protects considering I very likely stopped a kill on Ali.
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Post Post #16646 (isolation #314) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:10 pm

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Then what happened to the NK, LUV?

Either scum sent out almost the worst read person in the thread (Gork) to do the kill, which would be downright stupid and the team so far doesn't strike me as stupid, or the kill was doc'ed.
More likely the kill was docced. Which means we're down to my protect on Ali or Maxous' protect on Caesar.
Both of which you say are bad targets.
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Post Post #16665 (isolation #315) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:22 pm

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@LUV So you're arguing scum sent out the widely scumread player to do the nightkill where their day game has been good enough that we haven't lynched scum yet.
Because I don't think the way the game has gone so far points to scum being that stupid when they'd likely know the roleblocker is town, and I don't buy that scum wouldn't have tried to build the roleblocker.
Like, if scum haven't bussed by now what makes you think they'd do something designed for a setup to bus?
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Post Post #16674 (isolation #316) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:26 pm

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In post 16666, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:This is what Jae is trying to propose.

They protected people that can honestly be argued weren't obvious or good NK targets in order to form a town block after one was broken up earlier and wasn't even effective to begin with.

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This is what Alisae is trying to propose.

They neigborized The DEO to try to get a better read on them and to get them back in-sync but The DEO posted quite a bit Day 1 so the fact that he struggled to get a read on the slot is very hard to believe and when asked how he attempted to get them back in-sync he gave a bunch of generic answers.
What.

That's not what I'm trying to propose at all. I protected the people that WERE obvious or good NK targets. That's what I'm trying to argue.
I'm saying Alisae formed a townblock with his wonder and that's WHY he was a good fucking kill.

That's not even what Alisae said either. He said he HAD A TOWNREAD on The DEO. It was to try and get them back in sync since he was in a hood with them in the game we played that ended while this one was still early D1.
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Post Post #16676 (isolation #317) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:27 pm

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In post 16668, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 16665, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:@LUV So you're arguing scum sent out the widely scumread player to do the nightkill where their day game has been good enough that we haven't lynched scum yet.
Because I don't think the way the game has gone so far points to scum being that stupid when they'd likely know the roleblocker is town, and I don't buy that scum wouldn't have tried to build the roleblocker.
Like, if scum haven't bussed by now what makes you think they'd do something designed for a setup to bus?
No the game points to scum being cocky, so yes, I can buy them sending Gork.
Ok what about the game points to scum being cocky here then?
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Post Post #16689 (isolation #318) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:35 pm

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In post 16677, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 16674, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
In post 16666, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:This is what Jae is trying to propose.

They protected people that can honestly be argued weren't obvious or good NK targets in order to form a town block after one was broken up earlier and wasn't even effective to begin with.

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This is what Alisae is trying to propose.

They neigborized The DEO to try to get a better read on them and to get them back in-sync but The DEO posted quite a bit Day 1 so the fact that he struggled to get a read on the slot is very hard to believe and when asked how he attempted to get them back in-sync he gave a bunch of generic answers.
What.

That's not what I'm trying to propose at all. I protected the people that WERE obvious or good NK targets. That's what I'm trying to argue.
I'm saying Alisae formed a townblock with his wonder and that's WHY he was a good fucking kill.

That's not even what Alisae said either. He said he HAD A TOWNREAD on The DEO. It was to try and get them back in sync since he was in a hood with them in the game we played that ended while this one was still early D1.
I worded wrong. What you're trying to propose doesn't match up with how they've played and Alisae's meta.

As for Alisae reasoning, I could've sworn they said they wanted to get a better read on The DEO as a reasoning but I'm too lazy to check.
Alisae has a wonder that is highly dangerous for scum. Again, In Memory proves this. Shadowrun proves this. Hell, ask Math, ask Ali, hoods that are only town that can allow town to identify each other for exactly these scenarios are devastating for scum. Scum don't want town correctly townreading each other and they can't do anything about it when it's happening in a hood. Therefore, you kill the one making the hoods. Ergo, doc protect on Alisae. Not to mention he was stupidly obvtown up to D3. He only got attacked on D4 following the no kill.....WONDER WHY -- they wanted to pinpoint the doc.

pedit fuck you RC I very likely stopped the kill can you stop being a fucking dick to me? Like I get why you're still pissed at me but can you not be a jerkwad towards me for once this game?
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Post Post #16692 (isolation #319) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:36 pm

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In post 16686, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Jae claims to be able to read Alisae's meta but cannot explain why scum would night kill him other than his choice of Wonder.
ALISAE WAS FUCKING OBVTOWN WITH A DANGEROUS HOOD WONDER THAT WOULD ONLY MAKE HIM MORESO AND MAKE HIM ABLE TO MAKE A TOWNBLOCK.

WHAT ABOUT THIS DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?
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Post Post #16698 (isolation #320) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:39 pm

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In post 16678, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 16676, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
In post 16668, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 16665, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:@LUV So you're arguing scum sent out the widely scumread player to do the nightkill where their day game has been good enough that we haven't lynched scum yet.
Because I don't think the way the game has gone so far points to scum being that stupid when they'd likely know the roleblocker is town, and I don't buy that scum wouldn't have tried to build the roleblocker.
Like, if scum haven't bussed by now what makes you think they'd do something designed for a setup to bus?
No the game points to scum being cocky, so yes, I can buy them sending Gork.
Ok what about the game points to scum being cocky here then?
Maybe the 7-0 sweep.
Also, you clearly don't understand what "cocky" means.

The game being 7-0 doesn't point to scum being cocky unless we flip scum that was being cocky. You're assuming that scum would be cocky at this point because you would be, and even if you think scum are cocky this game? The main person I can think that fits with that is Vecna. Who you townread.
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Post Post #16715 (isolation #321) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:46 pm

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In post 16694, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 16692, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
In post 16686, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Jae claims to be able to read Alisae's meta but cannot explain why scum would night kill him other than his choice of Wonder.
ALISAE WAS FUCKING OBVTOWN WITH A DANGEROUS HOOD WONDER THAT WOULD ONLY MAKE HIM MORESO AND MAKE HIM ABLE TO MAKE A TOWNBLOCK.

WHAT ABOUT THIS DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?
Alisae's meta trumps that and you know that.
I have known him to be nightkilled before because he's a threat.
In post 16695, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:He cannot form a town block by himself, he is not capable.
I beg to differ. You're being a dick here.
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Post Post #16723 (isolation #322) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:50 pm

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In post 16718, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Not being a dick at all *
You're putting Ali down so yes you are.
He's feeling shit enough about this game as it is without you adding to it.
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Post Post #16737 (isolation #323) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:59 pm

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viewtopic.php?f=51&t=69562 - replaced in and called the red team so he got nightkilled.
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=69310 - replaced in and got nightkilled after lynching scum.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=69654 - nightkilled (as claimed vig tho so)

I could probably find more if I tried.
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Post Post #16742 (isolation #324) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:04 pm

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In post 16729, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'm one of the nicest people on this site and he knows that so it is insulting to call me a dick when I am literally not trying to be. I am very capable of being one but this isn't it.
Dude you have multiple times made me feel like shit. Whether you mean to or not is irrelevant. I care less when someone is riffing on me but you're literally trying to say Ali couldn't be useful here and that's plain false. I'm not going to stand by why my friends are insulted.
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Post Post #16755 (isolation #325) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:14 pm

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In post 16747, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 16742, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
In post 16729, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'm one of the nicest people on this site and he knows that so it is insulting to call me a dick when I am literally not trying to be. I am very capable of being one but this isn't it.
Dude you have multiple times made me feel like shit. Whether you mean to or not is irrelevant. I care less when someone is riffing on me but you're literally trying to say Ali couldn't be useful here and that's plain false. I'm not going to stand by why my friends are insulted.
I apologize.

It is on me. I like to think people know when I'm joking or when I'm serious. I like to think people know that I'm not speaking without any malice. I've been told I speak so robotically online and I've been trying to work on that.
I'm sorry that I made you feel insulted. I know that you can be a very nice person. I'm sensitive when it comes to my friends though, especially when I know they're already upset. And Ali is genuinely feeling shitty about how this game has been going and having a few off games doesn't mean that he's bad, and I don't want others feeding into that mentality on him.
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Post Post #16773 (isolation #326) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:23 pm

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In post 16751, Vecna wrote:
In post 16530, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
In post 16513, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Notice can you confirm you role. I have questions while you have time.
Parthenon, didn't try to build anything else.

I wanted Petra but mastina told me to take Parthenon instead.
N2 Protected Caesar (mastina prodded me towards this one)
N3 Protected Alisae (had obvious crumbs about being neighborizer and In Memory we brutalized scum with the use of neighbourhoods)
N4 Protected dave (outed parity cop, was between him or RC for wifom)
Ok thank you.

So talk to me about what is more likely here.....

Did scum kill Maxous because Ceasar is scum (so we'd find the obvious crumb that he protected ceasar)......

Or did scum kill Maxous to hide the fact he protected Ceasar, and that they tried to kill ceasar, and are they now trying to frame him by taking the forbidden palace?
You tell me. You're the one trying to push a false dichotomy and seem hyperfocused on Caesar. Why? Why do you think the nightkill had anything to do with Caesar rather than just getting rid of the docs?
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Post Post #16794 (isolation #327) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:34 pm

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In post 16775, Vecna wrote:
In post 16588, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
In post 16581, MathBlade wrote:I can review this but it makes much more sense Vecna+LUV together.

However assume I am wrong and only one is scum. Which?
Vecna.
Try and reason it the other way (not that I think this is at all possible).

What if ive been wrong about it all along. If luv is scum, does that make me scum by default?
I think I did? I don't think you and LUV could be scum together because I don't think LUV would allow you to meta clear him like that and draw that associate. Not without taking the chance to distance off it, at least. If LUV is scum (ass backwards as that would make my reads) then I don't think you are scum with him.
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Post Post #16805 (isolation #328) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:41 pm

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In post 16783, Vecna wrote:
In post 16597, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:Which is why I thought scum had Hanging Gardens tbh, since Fro99er was a bit of a no brainer I think? He was the most widely townread and willing to work with others even if he was all over the place.
My experience with PV is he doesn't get nightkilled early in the game but rather left for a lategame mislynch or nightkill. (Shadorun, Undertale) I really wasn't thinking of him as a viable protect given that, though Ali reamed me somewhat on not protecting PV when I claimed to him.
Kyouko wouldn't have died because he was being pushed on, he was lynchbait, so there's no point in protecting him there imo. I don't remember him ever having good reads in my mini normal either tbh. Him and Creature would have been seen as mislynchable, where Caesar I would have thought could normally put up a fight against his lynch. Once I realized he was seen as mislynchable as well I moved on to the obvtown neighborizer protect. I'm still not entirely sure Pine was targeted over Ali tbh. Unless scum got fed up with him not getting mislynched and decided to off him that way instead?

Anyway fair warning, my grandmother was in a place hit by a cyclone recently, tore roofs off houses and such, so I might end up V/LA since when we managed to get her on the phone just now she broke down... I might fly up to see if there's anything I can do once they allow flights there again. I'll announce it here if/when it happens and PM the mod but yeah.
And you didnt think this was suspicious, given the fact PV ended up dead?
In post 16784, Vecna wrote: Also, gl with the grandmother situation, thats rough.
Not saying I didn't find it suspicious. I mentioned it to Ali in the hood at the time but he pointed out that PV prior to that was obvtown and I tried to reason out the possibilities and found the nightkill to be most probable. It's not impossible for PV to be scum, I haven't ruled it out, but I'd rather go forward here thinking we don't have a scum flip yet because janitored flips are really hard for me to deal with. If he is scum then it's going to come out when we lynch scum and see his and their reactions around each other eventually I think.

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Post Post #16821 (isolation #329) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:08 pm

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In post 16811, Vecna wrote:Doing a fake replace out does not a cocky scum make.

That was genuine frustration.
I'm saying cocky scum would announce the wonder they built and do all the large colorful writing shit that you're doing. /That/ is cocky (regardless of alignment, mind, I do think your play is the embodiment of cocky).

I believe LUV is just guessing on the mindframe of scum rather than actually knowing it. Or idunno, maybe I'm wrong and LUV is right that scum feel cocky right now. Cocky scum would most likely fit with you though, no? Or nightkilling PV I guess after stealing Drixx's self janitor treestump and not claiming to get copped. I'm trying to point out to LUV that if he's right in scum feeling cocky then I believe a townread is misplaced.
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Post Post #16827 (isolation #330) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:17 pm

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In post 16822, Vecna wrote:
In post 16756, RadiantCowbells wrote:My issue at this point is that I'm running out of potential scum slots.

I honestly am starting to think it's not impossible that Peregrine is actually scum
I know how you feel, but its still rather possible for there to be a scumteam without him.

Leon/Nero/Dave/CK/Ceasar

Makes complete sense with everything.

In fact, id totally expect this group of people to be the type NOT to pick up daychat since theyre all little ego-maniacs ( :P ) that want all-star wonders.

That would explain why they had to pick up the great zimbabwe later. And why Nancy is now in the shitter.
Leon's jump on Nero when RC replaced in wasn't scumbuddies.
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Post Post #16828 (isolation #331) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:18 pm

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In post 16825, Vecna wrote:
In post 16773, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
In post 16751, Vecna wrote:
In post 16530, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
In post 16513, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Notice can you confirm you role. I have questions while you have time.
Parthenon, didn't try to build anything else.

I wanted Petra but mastina told me to take Parthenon instead.
N2 Protected Caesar (mastina prodded me towards this one)
N3 Protected Alisae (had obvious crumbs about being neighborizer and In Memory we brutalized scum with the use of neighbourhoods)
N4 Protected dave (outed parity cop, was between him or RC for wifom)
Ok thank you.

So talk to me about what is more likely here.....

Did scum kill Maxous because Ceasar is scum (so we'd find the obvious crumb that he protected ceasar)......

Or did scum kill Maxous to hide the fact he protected Ceasar, and that they tried to kill ceasar, and are they now trying to frame him by taking the forbidden palace?
You tell me. You're the one trying to push a false dichotomy and seem hyperfocused on Caesar. Why? Why do you think the nightkill had anything to do with Caesar rather than just getting rid of the docs?
Im not trying to push anything, im trying to figure out what happened. You also need to stop viewing my actions from a scum perspective, ive granted you the same courtesy.
I think scum are just picking off the docs so they can kill dave.
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Post Post #16911 (isolation #332) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:42 am

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In post 16896, Vecna wrote:
Gm, another question; Can the Redfort ability be roleblocked? as in, does the roleblocker visiting the Redfort show up to the Redfort owner?
Through NAR I'd imagine it can be roleblocked.
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Post Post #16912 (isolation #333) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:45 am

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In post 16910, Vecna wrote:Ive added Gorkington for the Rolecop wonder. I strongly feel Gorkington is town now, so it would be in excellent hands here. The only downside of having only gorkington on it is they might simply use the forbidden palace on him - this would waste both Gorkington's and Nancy's build. Still looking for other suggestions if theres better ideas here.
I think I missed your progression here, can you quote?
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Post Post #16917 (isolation #334) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:51 am

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In post 16910, Vecna wrote:But if this is the case, it likely will come down to our protective roles saving us regardless - And this way we force scum to use forbidden palace to get the vig guaranteed.
*whimpers*

I DON'T LIKE RESPONSIBILITY
I don't want to be the reason for another town loss q.q
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Post Post #16924 (isolation #335) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:01 am

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In post 16923, nancy wrote:
In post 16921, Vecna wrote:But nero aint gonna flip town ~ (I hope :D )
Scum already overplayed their hand by trying to strongarm my lynch. Except that I just
don't. get. mislynched
. Nero ain't ever flipping Town.
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Post Post #16951 (isolation #336) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 3:40 am

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In post 16936, Nero Cain wrote:I have a question for Senpai. If the logic is that scum shot at Ali b/c they were afraid of him using the hood like in PYP, it implies that scum were in PYP. So who played in PYP and would fear this hood usage?
I have not once mentioned PYP. I haven't read nor even so much as glanced at that game. I have no intention to. Most I'll do is skim an ISO for a general feel on tone or if someone directs me to look for something in particular.

What I /did/ mention was In Memory and Shadowrun. Both PT heavy games. Both had a huge influence on plays in the day phase.
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Post Post #16966 (isolation #337) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 3:58 am

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In post 16954, Nero Cain wrote:oh ok. I must have gotten them mixed up b/c I remember a bunch of talk of some PYP game but the question still stands. Who is the scum that shot at Alisae for fear of him using the hoods?
Uh In Memory had RC as mod
Math as townblock
Me as townblock
Ali as townblock
Creature as townblock
Yume (Akane) as outside townblock but town

Shadowrun had
Math as scum
Me as town with Math using me as a puppet
Titus as mod
Yume as town doc
PeregrineV as town backup doc
ABR as town speeder upper (could make any action skip to the top of NAR)
Drixx as something that infiltrated night PT missions things
Myself as some VT equivalent tbh because I used my role poorly I think and fullclaimed to scum....but I made Math speak replacing all pronouns with "The Great and Powerful Trixie" so it was worth it :D



But like... You're assuming people had to have been in those two games to know how devastating hoods can be when used correctly. I've been in games prior where hoods could have been used to devastating effect. Hell, it's the reason I had one in the mini normal I modded. I love hoods. They're all about whether people want to use them to full effect or not and that's what makes them either complete washes or dangerous shit.
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Post Post #17358 (isolation #338) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:36 am

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In post 16982, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 16966, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:You're assuming people had to have been in those two games to know how devastating hoods can be when used correctly
Why do you think scum shot at Frogger and PV the first two nights after Ali made it clear they would take the doc or the hood wonder? Did they not think he'd get it or something.
Frogger was obvtown by the EOD and willing to try to work with people.
PV is either a scum gambit or shot for a low info kill.

Akane made it pretty clear they weren't going for the doc wonder so the wifom was lost there, it was guaranteed they had the hood wonder. Scum would have started to see the townblock forming with Math/Ali/myself by D3 and not been able to force a crack in it, so their hand was forced to try to kill Ali to stop anyone else being added to the chain.
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Post Post #17360 (isolation #339) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:37 am

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In post 17001, Nero Cain wrote:Senpai willing to lynch me over his girl b/c I've not had shit reads like said girl is p lame too.
That's...not what I said. It's stuff like this that makes me want to lynch you. It's a blind discredit without bothering to check the reasons.
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Post Post #17365 (isolation #340) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:42 am

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In post 17012, Nero Cain wrote:Senpai also thinking Leon is scum and that scum wouldn't be bussing here but still thinks I'm scum makes little sense to me. Guy just doesn't want to lynch his girl and its so frustrating.
I said that Leon and you can't be scum together because of the way Leon jumped on you... I've said it multiple times.
In post 17013, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:They can read her better than anyone else here I imagine so who knows. Maybe Jae had a change of heart.
Er... Actually I have a really bad track record of reading nancy and end up mislynching her a bunch. Don't trust my read on her more than your own if you're doing that.
In post 17014, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Like I think what you're suggesting here is pretty fucked Nero lol like I understand it may look like that on the surface but I don't think both would intentionally throw games like this.
Confirming that I wouldn't intentionally throw for nancy.
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Post Post #17375 (isolation #341) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:11 pm

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In post 17114, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Like the Red Fort thing was clever and only he could've came up with that.
I still maintain he went about it the wrong way.

@Mod if Hagia Sophia put in to change Petra's result to the owner of Red Fort visiting Y, would Red Fort see Hagia Sophia visiting them, or is the visit only to Petra to change the result?
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Post Post #17416 (isolation #342) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:37 pm

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In post 17251, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 17241, MathBlade wrote:
In post 17239, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 16231, Leonshade wrote:This is Jae typing up a PM to Nahdia

I will protect Ali because I hard-TR him and he has the neighbor wonder

Oh shit there was no NK did scum try to kill Ali?
At any point does JaeReed/Notice float this theory, esp. after Max died and we're all like "He protected Pine! Pine is town!"?
He crumbed the protect already PV. Just stawp. JaeReed is crumbed doc with a crumbed Alisae protection.
I think he crumbed it day5. I'm a right or wrong?
Crumbed it to Math D3, softed it D4 with the no kill and crumbed targets to Math, softed it again D5 because Leon was pushing doc as scum and I thought he was scum for it.
Claimed in hood to Ali D3.

So very much wrong.

Spoiler: D3 & some D4
In post 7887, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
Math I think we need to touch base when we can. I had a craving for cinnamon rolls last night :c I blame mastina. Checked in with Levi due to experience.


Thoughts?
In post 8400, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
In post 7899, MathBlade wrote: Then let's sync up.
Talk with me about Vecna and Yuri.
And why do you read them the way you do?
I've talked about Vecna.
He pushed Titus to leave the game when she was one of his hard defenders (like if you'll remember she threatened me with a policy lynch when I first pushed him). It's something that he stood to gain very little from, because the potential town cred from that has to be pointed out by someone else for him to get anything out of it for one, and he got rid of his strongest supporter to be left with someone in the slot that he knew was scumreading him for another. Then you have the fact that the infighting in the hydra was clogging up the game and making for an environment where people really didn't want to be around/read so he could have more easily manipulated the lynches to where he wanted as scum because of it.
Like, there are points for doubt but they're not points I'm going to bring up in the main thread unless I decide it outweighs the fact that he would have to be shooting himself in the foot with how he tried to fix the hydra dissonance in your slot. It's not a smart move for scum at all.

Yuri is a bit of wagonomics and a bit of experience with the main. I'm not going to out who it is but the weird defending thing and such is not unusual given who it is. The wagonomics I need to double check on though because I think I misremembered it. D1 felt like a consensus wagon with no real counter though, and when the counter DID come about we know it was mainly ABR that pushed it yeah? Which means it wasn't a scum motivated counter. I do need to double check that but it's where I'm at with my thoughts currently.

um...did I do ok with the attempt btw or not really
?
In post 10345, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
In post 10331, nancy wrote:
In post 10320, CloudKicker wrote:
In post 10310, nancy wrote:Cloud what the fuck are your reads I am losing my mind in this game and you're now my only locktown.
im looking at leon/gin/luv
people that im still trying to sort are max/pine and in a lesser extent alibae
my towns are vec, nero and you. Math is a townlean but if im wrong on a townread its prob this one

anything else is null, yuri is town for d1
I'm disturbed by the amount of people who have completely ignored Vecna's claim.

My lockscums are MathBlade and Notice. I'm still SRing Leonshade and LUV. Aslan is like a strong scumlean. My reads on LUV and Aslan are tied together a little, i.e., if one is scum they're both scum. LUV and Math's interactions have seemed vaguely SvS.

Notice and Math have both done things that are like wildly out of character for them, and some subtler things are missing too.
Mathblade is locktown through play.
Alisae is locktown through Yume meta and through his own play not being anything like his scum play, AND through the towntell which Alisae has NEVER ONCE done as scum. While he doesn't
always
do it as town, he has NEVER done it as scum, and that's the important thing. Every single time he has done it he has been town, and you know this.
LUV is town as well.
Not to mention that you also should know that I'm town here given you've always come around when we both have been.

Now drop your fake ass reads and play the fucking game if you're town because you have actually managed to successfully destroy my townread on your slot by pushing these reads as real. This is easily the most bullshit I have ever seen come from a slot and there's no way that flips town if you're serious on it. If you're not scum, the wifom is fucking not helping and you need to pull your fucking head in.
There is ZERO chance of Alisae being scum here
and you fucking know it.
In post 10349, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:Been doing more than 2 posts per phase so you can drop that fucking bullshit right now. I have a condition that's been playing up along with generally growing to hate playing mafia because of certain patterns of behaviour. I'll give a full reads list when I have something I feel confident in.
I can tell you that no one should ever be lynching in {MathBlade, Alisae, Creature}. They're all pretty much conftown through play and mechanics
. I don't care what case you think you have, you're wrong and should feel bad about your inability to read people in a game about getting a read on someone's personality.

MathBlade NEVER in a million years continues to AtE about what happened with Titus as scum. MathBlade and Titus both NEVER go that far and bring it into the thread as scum. As a friend of both I can 100% attest to this and someone else has in the past too. So there's your meta if you're so inclined. Math was town in that game too.

Alisae is just town. If you don't want to trust the meta towntell that even nancy admits exists even if she's trying to somehow still scumread Ali through it??? (and nancy I will remind you that this game started and that tell was dropped before that conversation so you can't even argue that I told Alisae, besides which if you actually honestly could ever think that I was scum with Ali you're tripping because it's not how I would interact with a buddy at all). If you don't want to believe the Yume towntell (who was Akane in this game) then at least trust in the fact that I have a decent track record of figuring out when Alisae is town and have literally already had to watch a game go to the shit after I got nightkilled for it when people lynched Alisae despite me doing my best to prevent that from happening while I was alive and explaining a good reason they could not have been scum in that game.
While I'm alive Alisae will not get killed. When I am dead and flip town I expect you to fucking follow my hard townreads. Under no circumstances are you to lynch them or you WILL lose. I guarantee that.


Creature... I was waiting on this game to end for my more up to date scum meta on him. All my points still stand. viewtopic.php?p=8743766&user_select%5B% ... 4#p8743766 The ego about his obvtownness is most notably missing.
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Post Post #17428 (isolation #343) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:46 pm

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In post 17266, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 17264, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Really don't want to rehash but yes PV is speaking what I was thinking.
You did a good job pointing it out 40 pages ago, where I started reading.

Not sure why Notice wouldn't protect the statue, all things considered.

but apparently this is just all foreplay before the nancy lynch.
You mean the statue that was lynched D2 when my wonder was being built?
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Post Post #17440 (isolation #344) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:56 pm

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In post 17302, MathBlade wrote:@Nero not that I recall off the to of my head.

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@BaeReed would this help you and mastina or is this a waste of time?
I am not sure what you're asking here. Please rephrase?
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Post Post #17454 (isolation #345) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:44 pm

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In post 17376, MathBlade wrote:
In post 13780, Nahdia wrote:
Lynch Vote 4.34


KidAmn (9):
Maxous,
Creature
, Leonshade,
MathBlade
,
Alisae
, RadiantCowbells,
davesaz
, Lil Uzi Vert, nancy
Leonshade (5):
KidAmn,
CloudKicker, Caesar Wills It,
Vecna, Nero Cain
nancy (1):
NoticeMeSenpai

Vecna (1):
Gorkington

Not Voting (0):


With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to lynch by majority.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-03-26 13:41:51), at which point at which point we will default to no lynch.
@BaeReed what do you make of this majority likely town wagon on KidAmn and RC, LUV, and nancy on the speed end.
Not sure, I don't think you can do VCA without all of the vote counts to analyze the movements as a whole. What you're doing here is macro VCA while only focusing on certain VCs, which doesn't work so well for painting the picture of what happened.
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Post Post #17455 (isolation #346) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:46 pm

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In post 17376, MathBlade wrote:
In post 13780, Nahdia wrote:
Lynch Vote 4.34


KidAmn (9):
Maxous,
Creature
, Leonshade,
MathBlade
,
Alisae
, RadiantCowbells,
davesaz
, Lil Uzi Vert, nancy
Leonshade (5):
KidAmn,
CloudKicker, Caesar Wills It,
Vecna, Nero Cain
nancy (1):
NoticeMeSenpai

Vecna (1):
Gorkington

Not Voting (0):


With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to lynch by majority.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-03-26 13:41:51), at which point at which point we will default to no lynch.
@BaeReed what do you make of this majority likely town wagon on KidAmn and RC, LUV, and nancy on the speed end.
Broad thoughts are that you shouldn't do the orange color thing. VCA is about looking at everything and judging what is most likely given all the evidence. By already having "town by VCA" on your VCA your future VCA is colored by your reads already. If that makes sense?
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Post Post #17456 (isolation #347) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:50 pm

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In post 17391, MathBlade wrote:@NoticeMeSenpai --- VCA it is mastina's schitck talk with her and me please.
If I ask her she'll ask me what I think given the VCA guide she gave me. I don't have the time to dedicate to doing VCA right now, I want to spend time with my girlfriend after catching up here.
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Post Post #17457 (isolation #348) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 3:10 pm

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In post 17426, MathBlade wrote:
In post 17423, Nahdia wrote:
In post 17413, MathBlade wrote:@mod:
Assume player X has Hagia Sophia. Assume Hagia Sophia specifies the wonder Petra. Specified result: As if they were roleblocked. Specified Target: Player Y.
Assume player Q has Red Fort. Assume Hagia Sophia targets player Y. What is the result player Q receives assuming no other wonders in the game?
Okay first of all, "As if they were roleblocked" isn't a valid input for Hagia Sophia. You have to specify a result, not a LACK of a result.

That aside, Red Fort would receive "No one visited you."

In post 17413, MathBlade wrote:Assume player X has Hagia Sophia. Assume Hagia Sophia specifies the wonder Petra. Specified result: As if no one visited. Specified Target: Player Y.
Assume player Q has Red Fort. Assume Hagia Sophia targets player Y. What is the result player Q receives assuming no other wonders in the game?
I assume you mean "Your targeted visited no one?" "No one visited" isn't a valid result for the Petra.

Red Fort would receive "No one visited you."

In post 17413, MathBlade wrote:Assume player X has Hagia Sophia. Assume Hagia Sophia specifies the wonder Petra. Specified result: As if they visited a random player. Specified Target: Player Y.
Assume player Q has Red Fort. Assume Hagia Sophia targets player Y. What is the result player Q receives assuming no other wonders in the game?
Yeah again, "a random player" isn't a valid input for Hagia Sophia.

Red Fort would receive "No one visited you."
Did this answer your question BaeReed? If not I don't get it.
I can't read what you were even asking to be honest.

My thoughts are Vecna claimed to have targeted Sondam to mess with a tracker result on nancy in case nancy built Red Fort to prove whether Creature roleblocked him or not.
The problem with that is I think Red Fort would get "no one visited" regardless because Vecna did not target nancy, he targeted Sondam. As in, at no point in that does he visit nancy, he just changes Sondam's result.

Your thing is really complicated and I can't keep track of what you're trying to say in all of those sorry :/
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Post Post #17465 (isolation #349) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:07 pm

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Jesus that was a clean sweep.
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Post Post #17636 (isolation #350) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 10:38 pm

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In post 17623, Vecna wrote:
In post 17621, nancy wrote:
In post 17618, Vecna wrote:
In post 17615, nancy wrote:
In post 17613, Vecna wrote:Nancy, if Nero flips town - do you think RC pocketed you?
No.
Then who is scum if Nero and RC are town? Alisae/Notice?
Aslan and Notice are locktown.
Current Notice play does not do well on the "is mastina scum"-chart though. And theyre still a hydra, no matter if theyre stating that its only for teaching purposes.


Also Alisae - ive never seen him play like this, and im not really a big fan of it.
mastina is literally not playing
and stated so before the game even began
.

You're pinging me majorly again.

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Post Post #17638 (isolation #351) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 10:40 pm

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Cloud wouldn't replace out for game related reasons as either alignment I think? His personality doesn't seem indicative of it.
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Post Post #17641 (isolation #352) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 10:44 pm

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In post 17639, nancy wrote:It's not game-related. He's V/LA indefinitely.
Weren't you the one originally floating it as AI?

Also I don't think I can watch anything tonight sorry q.q
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Post Post #17649 (isolation #353) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 10:53 pm

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^ ignored me pointing out that he's literally trying to float me as scum based on someone who isn't even playing.
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Post Post #17659 (isolation #354) » Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:42 pm

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In post 17650, Vecna wrote:
In post 17649, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:^ ignored me pointing out that he's literally trying to float me as scum based on someone who isn't even playing.
I didnt see him post that, but if thats the case ill drop that point.

Also im not exactly scumreading you, just a contiuous exploration. You do realize this was speculation based on a nero townflip right?
*her

Its literally been grating on me all game with Creature continually bringing it up and me continually saying she said she wasn't playing before the game started. Like, it's right there. I've stated it multiple times. Multiple people have confirmed mastina hasn't been posting and it's all me.

If nero is town I'm likely the next nightkill anyway, and that's presuming the game even continues because this could just flat be mylo. My flip will confirm my doc protects and Ali's wonder claim, so it seems like an absolute waste of a rolecop when we could use it to confirm someone who isn't likely to eat a bullet and confirm another slot through it tonight. IF Nero flips town and IF the game still continues then whoever gets the rolecop can feel free to waste it on me if they wish, but bothering to use it on Ali when my townflip confirms him is plain nonsensical. And I reserve the right to be fucking salty about it postgame if town loses because of a dumbass check on a dead slot or its confirm.
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Post Post #17665 (isolation #355) » Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:34 am

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Dude, it literally confirms Alisae is the Mausoleum with my townflip. I'm talking about the rolecop here. There's no point in rolecopping Alisae when confirming my alignment will do just fine. You were floating myself/Ali as a rolecop when confirming my alignment confirms Alisae's wonder claim.
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Post Post #17687 (isolation #356) » Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:48 am

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In post 17682, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:It is like trusting Jae's read on nancy
It is like trusting Alisae's read on Ceasar

You put your trust in your town reads, not hard to understand.
WHY DO YOU KEEP BRINGING THIS UP I ALWAYS MISREAD NANCY

TRUST MY READ ON ALISAE AND MATH AND CREATURE NO ONE ELSE
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Post Post #17688 (isolation #357) » Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:49 am

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In post 17683, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:It's why I gave the Titus example

It is like trusting Cloud read on Maria
etc etc
Except
people lynched Sondam anyway
despite me math and cloud saying they were town
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Post Post #17689 (isolation #358) » Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:52 am

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VOTE: Nero

I THINK nancy is town ftr, judging off how she poked at me repeatedly to get a read on me specifically plus the game that finished where she was scum, pretty much Creature-esque there, activity wise.
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Post Post #17776 (isolation #359) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:13 am

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In post 17727, JaeReed wrote:
@Nahdia does freedom mean all mausoleum topics never expire?

If so, do the old topics become unlocked?
In post 17729, JaeReed wrote:
In post 17726, Creature wrote:Wouldn't Order lock scum private topic?
I think so, but it would lock great zimb and maus too though.
In post 17737, JaeReed wrote:
In post 17733, MathBlade wrote:
In post 17729, JaeReed wrote:
In post 17726, Creature wrote:Wouldn't Order lock scum private topic?
I think so, but it would lock great zimb and maus too though.
Great Zimbabwe is a scumclaim from yesterday and Maus if Alisae is okay with it I am. But only if scum PT would lock at night.
It's not a scumclaim.
In post 17767, JaeReed wrote:
In post 17752, Creature wrote:Alisae is town
MathBlade is town
Lil Uzi Vert is town
Vecna is town
I'm town

Who are we left with?
Vecna isn't town.
shit sorry i was phone posting and forgot
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Post Post #17781 (isolation #360) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:16 am

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In post 17778, Creature wrote:Is mastina still playing?
She.was.never.playing.
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Post Post #17805 (isolation #361) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:24 am

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In post 17786, Creature wrote:Caesar surely.

CloudKicker.

JaeReed so far isn't being town as I know she is.
*they

And you of all people should know for a fact that I'm town here considering the wonder I have.
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Post Post #17899 (isolation #362) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 11:52 am

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In post 17889, MathBlade wrote:Order denies scum scum chat and Great Zimbabwe likely wasn't built as I wasn't included in it nor was Alisae and
I am pretty sure if BaeReed was they would be voting nancy
.
Not necessarily.
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Post Post #17910 (isolation #363) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 11:57 am

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In post 17901, MathBlade wrote:
In post 17899, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
In post 17889, MathBlade wrote:Order denies scum scum chat and Great Zimbabwe likely wasn't built as I wasn't included in it nor was Alisae and
I am pretty sure if BaeReed was they would be voting nancy
.
Not necessarily.
Mass claim was yesterday.
No one claimed GZ.
If GZ was built successfully today nancy lied.

Do you agree?

@BaeReed
You're assuming town play optimally and don't lie.
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Post Post #17912 (isolation #364) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 11:59 am

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Assuming 5 scum, 12 players alive means 2 vig shots would have been endgame with scum at 50% of remaining votes.
Unless PV is scum.

If you think scum have both vigs then PV HAS to be scum from your pov nancy for them to have not endgamed us already.
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Post Post #17920 (isolation #365) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:03 pm

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In post 17915, MathBlade wrote:Yes I am assuming they wouldn't lie during mass claim. That is an assumption and with nancy posting a ridiculous world one that grows rather likely.
If nancy lied during massclaim and did pick up GZ, what would you think about her voting Order here?
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Post Post #17930 (isolation #366) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:31 pm

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Well apparently every decision and thought I have in this game is wrong so I'm just not going to post anymore.
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Post Post #17951 (isolation #367) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:55 pm

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@Nahdia does Autocracy wording of "going forward" mean that all prior Mausoleum topics that have been closed already remain private?
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Post Post #18128 (isolation #368) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:53 pm

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In post 17974, Creature wrote:CommKnight.

Guess CK replaced out just to have another CK lurking.
It hasn't even been 12 hours...
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Post Post #18134 (isolation #369) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 6:02 pm

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In post 17984, CommKnight wrote: So unless someone (besides Creature who I'm thinking of voting) feels like catching me up on events fully. Then I think I found a scummy already. Ya'll haven't caught a single scum this game. Maybe you're looking into the wrong places. Scum can easily be hiding among you by grabbing townie roles and PLAYING like a townie. Which obviously is happening. I've played with RC before and honestly, I'm hesitant to scum-read that slot. They're egotistical ways had a few town ready to hammer him in one of the games we finished. The person who ended up with his slot in the end ended up winning us the game because it was a town vigilante role. (The person who replaced in both correctly shot 1/4 scum ad led the lynch on the final scum).

Also has multi-ball been discussed yet? In a game this size and an actual player of Civilization there is definitely going to be a few factions fighting. My money is on 1-3 third parties alive. If we're civilization, what about the civilizations who have become uncivilized. (ex-civilizations, but not exactly barbarian/viking/etc). Just saying, someone here probably been pushing you guys into their own win objective.

Now then, as far as this vote goes. Honestly, I don't care about neighbourhoods after I got screwed in my last game by neighbourizing the person who got cult recruited (on the same night they got cult recruited). Which turned out to be a bastard game of 4 town vs 5 anti-town (2 vs 6 by D2 because of cult recruiting). You haven't managed to lynch a single scum yet and my bets are on one of them grabbing The Great Lighthouse. (Also for those wondering, the way "only available to non-town" is worded, makes me think 2 scum factions). Which means...

VOTE: Order

Take away both their day and night chat. Some really nice wonders throughout the days to pick from though. Wish I started this game from the beginning because honestly some of the votes would've been fun to vote on and debate the advantages and disadvantages to both.

Now then, I'm getting some sleep. Have a problem with that Creature? Or should I commit to voting for you now? I'm not putting up with your BS after replacing into a game of this length. And honestly it seems kinda scummy that you would talk to a replace-in like that. Close to winning and trying to push an easy lynch? Better check my game history buddy. I might have unorthodox play style. But man oh man. THIS stage in the game, with flips, role claims, etc. I'm just a thorn for scummies. So if you are one. PLEASE keep pinging my radar. I'll pick you apart until your throat feels that noose tighten and this town gets a bloody red flip finally.

Don't believe me? Again, check my game history. 1SVT thought he'd mislynch me in the bastard game set-up (which town was doomed to lose), but I said I'd make him eat rope and guess what. I got the last laugh when he flipped red and I was one of the ones to be alive hanging his ass.

In fact, ask Alisae, RC, Lil Uzi Vert, (or a few dead ones after game). Once you're in my sights and you're scum.. you aren't escaping boy oh boy. :dead: :dead: :dead:

Anyway, enough shit posting. I seriously need an update so I can make an excel graph of claims. I want to know which wonders are currently taken, which ones (SHOULD) be open and any other useful information that I can use to scum-hunt with. Actually I might delay bed and play Civilization 5 a bit more. I love the series. A bit disappointed though that instead of doing "Civilization" vs (I assume Barbarians and uncivilized/decivilized cities) that the mod didn't pick from the actual civilizations in game and give small "perks" to each one. I'd definitely pick either Germans or Zulu just because they are the best civs in game for army building. 100% Can't beat them Tiger/Panzer tanks. Or take the early rush bonus for the Zulu. Aztecs were nice for healing their own units on successful defense though.

Night night, don't write too many pages in my absence. I like people not posting filler shit that means nothing. (I mean seriously 17000+ posts and not a single scum? What have you been doing all game??? Talking about My Little Pony?????).
I mean... you should have seen D1, some people were making like 60+ posts a day. About 5 or 6 people I think? Then accusing people of lurking... -.-

Anyways, davesaz flipped town with parity cop, and he claimed Maxous and Creature result of the same alignment.
Vecna has a thing that can mess with results, claimed to not be using it except some weird thing where he was trying to make the dead tracker see nancy visit something so that if nancy took red fort (self watcher) she'd see him visit her? (not how that wonder works I think, since vecna would only visit the tracker in that case, not nancy)
Maxous flipped town doc and softed protection on Caesar on the night we had no kill.
I claimed the 2nd doc and protected Alisae on the night we had no kill.
Creature claims roleblocker and blocked Gork on the night we had no kill.
Math claims a role like oracle from epicmafia where it shows the alignment of someone they choose if they get nightkilled.
Ali has a temporary neighborizer, hooded math, me, and caesar on diff days/nights (lasts a day/night cycle per)

Order only takes away day chat and hurts Ali's hoods by doing so and great zimbabwe hood. Freedom is better.
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Post Post #18137 (isolation #370) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 6:07 pm

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In post 18025, ThinkBig wrote:
In post 18019, MathBlade wrote:nancy is scum OR the scum team built the Great Zimbabwe.
Not necessarily. Myself/nancy is town and built Great Zimbabwe on d5.
Also thanks for outing this tbh. It was frustrating being told to stay quiet.
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Post Post #18158 (isolation #371) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 6:24 pm

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In post 18140, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 18075, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Alisae

MathBlade

Leonshade
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PoE out?
Jae if you still think I'm town you would have to believe this.

Or believe Vecna/PV is the 5th from your POV.
Vecna and Leon are scum.
Gork and CK might be scum, less certain on that.
Caesar is still townish for me.

Unless you're asking about teams rather than PoE, which takes longer to sort through.
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Post Post #18161 (isolation #372) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 6:26 pm

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In post 18150, MathBlade wrote:
In post 18147, RadiantCowbells wrote:I wanted to see who would continue pushing the nancy/RC scumteam from yesterday based on nancy's 'lie'
Lie is accurate no need for quotes.
This one just has visible Town benefit.
nancy also didn't want to be outed because of the doc on me.
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Post Post #18166 (isolation #373) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 6:28 pm

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I'm Parthenon, nancy/TB is Great Zimb
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Post Post #18168 (isolation #374) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 6:32 pm

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VOTE: Freedom
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Post Post #18254 (isolation #375) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:51 pm

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In post 18232, RadiantCowbells wrote:except that I knew where the doctors were targetting and Leon (if town) was roleblocked and if scum we knew where the rolestopper was
Confirming this.
nancy said in hood she was doccing me, I said I'd doc RC since he claimed the vig and was thinking he needed to shoot in case he died.

nancy literally couldn't doc outside the hood. I was on RC because I didn't want him to shoot.
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Post Post #18264 (isolation #376) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:18 pm

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In post 18253, Vecna wrote:Btw.......arent TB and Yume the same person?

Because I thought Yume was part of the earlier alisae hydra....
No they're not. That much should be self evident.
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Post Post #18268 (isolation #377) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:41 pm

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In post 18256, Vecna wrote:How did RC respond to the Nero flip in the neighbourhood Notice?

Why did Nancy call RC scum just before replacing out? Did they talk about a gambit in the neighbourhood that explains that?
Don't know why nancy did but I think she was walking back on that just before she was replaced. Ask TB if he sees it the same way but that's what I see.

RC was kinda uncertain about his reads aside from us but certain we were in an essential masonry. Hence he claimed.
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Post Post #18273 (isolation #378) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:47 pm

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In post 18263, Vecna wrote:Which is exactly what Nero was saying as well, lol

Oops, sorry Nero
misrep

Nero was saying you were scum.
He knew I was town.
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Post Post #18277 (isolation #379) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:51 pm

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In post 18265, Vecna wrote:Like....think about it.......

If scum really does have a roleblocker....

Why not just keep roleblocking DAVESAZ, and kill Leonshade the super-doctor - so they dont townconfirm 2 people that are widely suspected.

This nightphase play by scum was designed to stop an insta-lynch today on either RC or Nancy.

And why would scum totally ignore NoticeMeSenpai the doctor? Unless they knew he wasnt going to interfere with their plans?

The answer is simple; because Leonshade needed an excuse to have done an action, and Nancy/TB needed an excuse for there not to be a Zimbabwe.
Except Zimbabwe was confirmed to exist today. So no.

Leon is scum, you are scum, and your attempts to lynch anyone but your partner are fucking noted.

Like, this is exactly what scum will be doing today, having each other in their list and going "oh but we lynch this person instead who is also scum with them".

No. You die. I was probably roleblocked. I'm not lynching the slot that guarantees I'm not dead tonight.
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Post Post #18280 (isolation #380) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:54 pm

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In post 18266, Vecna wrote:Are you in the neighbourhood with Ali again today Notice?
No, Ali wanted to go to someone he thought might be hit by the vig and I told him it was fine because I knew what RC was doing during the night.

I did not tell Ali how I knew, or even that I knew, just that it was ok to go to that person and to trust me.
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Post Post #18282 (isolation #381) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:55 pm

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In post 18267, Leonshade wrote:
In post 18265, Vecna wrote:Like....think about it.......

If scum really does have a roleblocker....

Why not just keep roleblocking DAVESAZ, and kill Leonshade the super-doctor - so they dont townconfirm 2 people that are widely suspected.

This nightphase play by scum was designed to stop an insta-lynch today on either RC or Nancy.

And why would scum totally ignore NoticeMeSenpai the doctor? Unless they knew he wasnt going to interfere with their plans?

The answer is simple; because Leonshade needed an excuse to have done an action, and Nancy/TB needed an excuse for there not to be a Zimbabwe.
If scum had killed me, davesaz would've gotten a result (as my rolestop would've stopped their RB on davesaz).

As for why scum ignored the possibility of Senpai doccing davesaz, that's a very good point, and why I initially thought that scum used the strongman vig instead of roleblocking me. It's also why I wanted to claim after LUV, so he couldn't have claimed to have gone for another wonder instead of the vig.
^scum shade. I was probably roleblocked.
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Post Post #18283 (isolation #382) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:57 pm

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In post 18270, Vecna wrote:
In post 18267, Leonshade wrote:
In post 18265, Vecna wrote:Like....think about it.......

If scum really does have a roleblocker....

Why not just keep roleblocking DAVESAZ, and kill Leonshade the super-doctor - so they dont townconfirm 2 people that are widely suspected.

This nightphase play by scum was designed to stop an insta-lynch today on either RC or Nancy.

And why would scum totally ignore NoticeMeSenpai the doctor? Unless they knew he wasnt going to interfere with their plans?

The answer is simple; because Leonshade needed an excuse to have done an action, and Nancy/TB needed an excuse for there not to be a Zimbabwe.
If scum had killed me, davesaz would've gotten a result (as my rolestop would've stopped their RB on davesaz).

As for why scum ignored the possibility of Senpai doccing davesaz, that's a very good point, and why I initially thought that scum used the strongman vig instead of roleblocking me. It's also why I wanted to claim after LUV, so he couldn't have claimed to have gone for another wonder instead of the vig.
Oh ofcourse, that makes sense.
Does no one see this?

Like, I've felt like I've been going insane this whole fucking game and been pushed off my scumreads each time and this is so fucking
blatant
like holy fuck.
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Post Post #18284 (isolation #383) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:59 pm

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In post 18271, Vecna wrote:
In post 18269, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:All are so bad, like None is the best but scum are so ahead they don't care if they openly scum claim repeatedly.
LUV, both order and Autocracy are way better than Null
Order hurts town.
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Post Post #18285 (isolation #384) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 11:00 pm

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In post 18274, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Order is irrelevant at that stage I feel and hurts the town that are part of neigborhoods.
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Post Post #18287 (isolation #385) » Sun Apr 02, 2017 11:13 pm

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In post 18281, Vecna wrote:And if you feel that Leonshade is scum, then why do you think it was me that saved him, as opposed to RC that spent all of last day to try and force my hand?

Why do you feel I wasnt pushed into this position by mathblade?
You keep trying to deflect. This post is to both RC and Math.

RC was wrong. He has been before, more notably so as town.
Math was wrong. They're still fucking town.

You on the other hand seem to jump between scumreading your buddies yet pushing other fucking lynches. Math and RC are consistent and adhere to my known town meta of them.
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Post Post #18701 (isolation #386) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:59 am

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VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert.
This doesn't require explanation.
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