Mini Normal 1893 - I Keep Modding Minis Ending in 3 -endgame

[JaeReed]

i think alisae's town

You're wrong there

[JaeReed]

go on

he received a scum role pm

[JaeReed]

Transcend - reads are ok, maybe town, kinda tryharding tho so paranoid of this
gerryoat - tryharding, probscum for it
Darklyn - obvtown
Juri - dunno, maybe town
Trivium - null
Crash - null
Impoetic - obvtown, this just isn't her scum play, i'd know considering we hydra'd as scum
projectmatt - scum, most posts are posturing
Dunnstral - null
JaeReed - me!
nancy - null
Alisae - scum, I can read this with scary accuracy, trans he was trying to buddy you earlier and there are also partner pings with matt if you check
usagichan - null

if you want a free scum lynch then it's Ali, if you want to save him for later that's fine too just remember he's scum when i'm nightkilled.

pedit trans you always scumread me early game, i wouldn't play this way as scum so you're wasting your time
pedit2 lol ok that was actually funny

[JaeReed]

Jae, are you actually going to give me a reason other then I didn't drop your super secret super special awesome towntell you have on me or are you just going to sit here saying "Ali is scum."

lol it's not your town game, has nothing to do with the towntell. Sorry dunno what to tell ya, there was too much posturing going on and buddy attempts, and the defense of pjm was cute

i kinda think he's town because i don't know why scum!him would vote impoetic after the wagon on her disintegrated

why are you giving reasons for anything?

[JaeReed]

fun fact: dunnstral has been mafia with me before. he knows this isn't my scum play.

but i don't feel like omgus reading him because iirc sometimes he just doesn't take the 2 seconds to think about how it can't be my scum play (QC maf for example)

[JaeReed]

VOTE: alisae

jaereed your scumread reacted really crappily to the pressure on him

come vote with me

i've been waiting for a vc, i dont like yolo voting v much

[JaeReed]

50 - Why? @Dark
51 - Why? @Dunn
52 - A. Don't like the shades of oppertunism being shown here. B. VOTE: Impo 38 and 42 seem like you're talking to someone you think is town. Why the sudden change?
54 - Why is he scum again? Educate me.
-sees a bunch of matt votes that I don't really understand-
79 - I don't read them as either alignment personally.

projectmatt more like projectrena more like projectpsycho eeeeeeeey
UNVOTE:
Yeah this is most likely town.

I don't got one as of yet tbh.
hold on
/me isos
Don't really understand what he saw in 56?
Trans isn't really someone I can get a read on within the first 5 pages.

@Trans if you also look he doesn't hunt pjm iirc

[JaeReed]

if you're aware of what can be your scumplay and what can't why can't you manipulate it? You posted unprompted, you had all the time you wanted to prepare that post.

I could, but I'm lazy to do so tbh.

[JaeReed]

I want JR to respond to 201 and 207 before I go any further in this game

207 isn't worth a response tbh, it's just more scumfuckery from pjm

[JaeReed]

I want JR to respond to 201 and 207 before I go any further in this game

and 199 and 220

nothing to respond to there broski

idc if you sr me, u wanna be trash tier that's ur problem

[JaeReed]

VOTE: alisae

jaereed your scumread reacted really crappily to the pressure on him

come vote with me

i've been waiting for a vc, i dont like yolo voting v much

if you're certain alisae is mafia, you should be doing something to convince town. Why are you content with just saying that and not trying to get her lynched?

i don't think i need to do anything tbh, im not good at casing, what i am good at is reading alibae.

[JaeReed]

I want JR to respond to 201 and 207 before I go any further in this game

207 isn't worth a response tbh, it's just more scumfuckery from pjm

i don't think it was scummy? his points were pretty sound there.

they aren't, they're pure posturey bs nd tbh impo has already largely identified and highlighted that.

nothing of the points he attempted to level at me are scum indicative, he's just trying to discredit my reads cuz they're right.

[JaeReed]

jaereed you aite?

your tone seems really negative this game when normally you're fairly chirpy

nah man i have the worst hangover complete with the shakes

but really if dunn is town here he's just being plain bad, since he has seen me as scum before and should know the way i approach the game is fundamentally different and nothing like this

[JaeReed]

no it's not "x's problem" if you know someone's town and scumreading you part of the game is to convince them you're town, regardless of your alignment.

i mean i always obvtown eventually as town so no, not my problem. it'll happen eventually.

but also you're assuming i tr him and he's still a hard null for me.

[JaeReed]

no it's not "x's problem" if you know someone's town and scumreading you part of the game is to convince them you're town, regardless of your alignment.

i mean i always obvtown eventually as town so no, not my problem. it'll happen eventually.

but also you're assuming i tr him and he's still a hard null for me.

^ this is an example of me interacting with someone i tr to get them to see i'm town ftr impo

[JaeReed]

oh look i have forced 2 scum to vote me. cute.

pedit i did didn't i, sadly it doesn't even deserve a medal because i read him correctly every game

[JaeReed]

ftr pjm i don't care what you think of me even if you're town. i will be conftown the moment alisae flips maf because too many people in this game know that I never bus as scum. you'll have to nightkill me to get rid of me, and in doing so you'll be leaving transcend alive to powerlynch you.

[JaeReed]

jae "I'm hungover, now let's make sure everyone else has a headache too" reed

ahahahahahaha +100

also i love how pjm and dunnstral are both pointing out my arrogance and cockiness which are not only fairly standard towntells but also towntells specific to me. dunn also should know that given the hydra double day game we played.

[JaeReed]

VOTE: impoetic

it's too bad you're mafia though

and i now scumread this

[JaeReed]

jae "I'm hungover, now let's make sure everyone else has a headache too" reed

ahahahahahaha +100

also i love how pjm and dunnstral are both pointing out my arrogance and cockiness which are not only fairly standard towntells but also towntells specific to me. dunn also should know that given the hydra double day game we played.

Why be this insistent about being townread if you're convinced it will happen anyway in the long run?

pointing out the fakeness of their scumreads on me - so less about me being townread and more about how they should be reading it if they're town. to be fair this applies way more to dunnstral than to pjm in that case, and i'm wary of grouping those two as partners because of the parroting there, but at least 1 is very likely to be scum.

not as confident in those reads as I am on impo hard town and ali hard scum tho.

[JaeReed]

dunnstral is scum. that read is now just below my 100% confidence in alisae being scum.

he knows impo is always self conscious.

[JaeReed]

Trial of the Evoker you played with both of us as scum, did you seriously forget that game?

VOTE: Alisae

[JaeReed]

ffs just sheep me on impo she is bleeding town

[JaeReed]

but he forgot to upload the file.....

[JaeReed]

Don't get me wrong, I know the feeling of a strong gut read. But you came up with that read in the first few pages and now are tunneled into that (typical of you I imagine) which doesn't help if you're wrong which happens

not gut.

impo is practically family to me, i can read her. i have hydra'd with her as scum, I know the difference between her pretending to be town and being town, and her reaction to pressure is the easiest way to read her. as scum she reacts really badly, as town she's just self conscious about how she comes across but still genuinely tries to sort people through their push on her, and usually ends up w/ nothing substantial as far as a solid read from it.

this is just impo town.

[JaeReed]

So the question I asked, which I'd like to actually ask everyone, will let me get to know how people feel about getting townread so I can better understand the game from the weird existensial viewpoint I have

I expect to be townread when I'm town because I know my propensity for obvtowning, so I would consider it my god given right if you hard tr me. doesn't mean anything in regards to alignment tho for people to townread someone that is used to being townread. Both scum and town tr me generally so meh.

[JaeReed]

Don't get me wrong, I know the feeling of a strong gut read. But you came up with that read in the first few pages and now are tunneled into that (typical of you I imagine) which doesn't help if you're wrong which happens

not gut.

impo is practically family to me, i can read her. i have hydra'd with her as scum, I know the difference between her pretending to be town and being town, and her reaction to pressure is the easiest way to read her. as scum she reacts really badly, as town she's just self conscious about how she comes across but still genuinely tries to sort people through their push on her, and usually ends up w/ nothing substantial as far as a solid read from it.

this is just impo town.

I thought I faked that as scum before.

you fake the waffle, but you don't do it in this particular manner. tonally when you're scum you come across as somewhat aggressive towards those who attack you and you're prone to omgus.

[JaeReed]

well I certainly will in the future, thanks jaereed

and I'll still read you correctly <3 because I pay far too much attention to your quirks.

[JaeReed]

JR on a scale of 1-10 how much do you scumread Alisae?

I'm getting towny feels from him at the moment

10

Alisae also stopped pretending to try to gamesolve since I called him out. He's trying to minimize the damage.

[JaeReed]

matt, in all seriousness I'm done with this buddying shit and this "Let's proxy our vote behind Alisae" shit got old really quickly.

Also seriously what the fuck is this? Are you under the impression I've been camping my vote behind your or something?

So this isn't a joke.
goooooooooooooooooooooooooot it.
VOTE: JaeReed
This is scum boyz. He really isn't interested in hunting me he's just ignoring me alltogether.

Later.

I want JR to respond to 201 and 207 before I go any further in this game

207 isn't worth a response tbh, it's just more scumfuckery from pjm

hahahaahahhaahhahaahahahaha

vote: jaereed

And then

Jae/Trivium/?
VOTE: Trivium

After this:

Ugh.

Vote: Trivium

hm..
UNVOTE:

[JaeReed]

So your thing about Matt following your votes was fake?

[JaeReed]

i think alisae's town

You're wrong there

If you're town. Last time you were sure Alisae was scum, he was town and I was maf.

I had a Sr on his predec but yes I have a harder time reading ali when he replaces in because his tempo is off and doesn't match either his town or scum play. I did use my meta tell on you that game then let you weasel out of it tho. And I was planning to reevaluate in lylo but lickety was just determined to throw so meh.

Additional point I hadn't seen him as mafia at that point either.

[JaeReed]

Jae is also a viable wagon.
Maaaaaaaybe Juri.

I actually kind of like this. I think that shooting for me (as an actual wagon canditate rather than as pressure) is not a very opportunistic thing to do. Seems driven by genuine thoughts about me, however tentative they might be.

I actually kind of dislike this.

Also jae I'm prone to omgus as town????? I'm pretty sure I've been prone to omgus this game. I omgused transcend, I still have doubts about dunnstral. I remember thinking I omgus a lot in the past too. How is that an explanation?

I feel stupid for barking down this alley if you're town but there's a lot that sticks out to me and I will be pretty demoralized if I let you buddy me

all fucking game

and you flip scum

Not like how you were when we hydra'd babe. Your scum omgus has a bad tone.

It's fine for you to be paranoid. I won't flip scum though, so you don't need to worry about that <3

[JaeReed]

Depends. Can you get alisae to respond to that question I asked?

[JaeReed]

Depends. Can you get alisae to respond to that question I asked?

(what question did you ask and why is it all-important)

I will answer this once my question is answered by alisae. It makes the difference between whether Ali is confscum or I need to sort him through further engagement. It was the question about whether his sr on pjm for shadowing him with his vote was a real sr.

[JaeReed]

Aslan is Alisae.

Pedit gerry it depends on the playerlist more than anything.

[JaeReed]

Lol.

Alisae if you're town I really need you to answer me. Were you genuine on the scumread of pjm for shadowing your votes?

Darklyn is still obvtown.
Impo's vote wasn't omgus, she spent ages trying to sort dunnstral. He's attempting a simultaneous discredit on us.

[JaeReed]

Can you not be dramariffic? I don't like to engage with hard scumreads of the calibre that I had on you. I really need an answer to that question or I can't assess whether I was wrong on my read or not.

If you're town your emotions are going to cause one of us to have to be lynched today if you keep this up.

[JaeReed]

If you're town your emotions are going to cause one of us to have to be lynched today if you keep this up.

You're scum so.......

Except I'm not so....

pedit ew nancy is scum. In no universe ever is nancy able to read what I've done here and read it as me being scum, let alone this being an SvS.

[JaeReed]

VOTE: nancy

Yeah no you're 100% scum.

[JaeReed]

If you're town your emotions are going to cause one of us to have to be lynched today if you keep this up.

You're scum so.......

Except I'm not so....

pedit ew nancy is scum. In no universe ever is nancy able to read what I've done here and read it as me being scum, let alone this being an SvS.

It's super let-off-the-hook-y imo. Like I realize you've said that Aslan is confscum if they answer a question wrongly but this whole thing is so mysterious that you can probably just say "ok you answered correctly" and ta-da Aslan is Town now. I also know that Aslan is the type to put both his partners in a scumpool and bus them both from the start of the game.

No. This is not you reading anything. This is not you reading motivations of EITHER of us.

[JaeReed]

Either read my posts then understand I should be fucking conftown to you and back off this bullshit, or have fun eating rope.

[JaeReed]

@Alisae I really need you to answer that question, please. I know you're upset at me if you're town but really please just give me the benefit of the doubt here and answer on that. Depending on the answer I may need a complete reread and I'll explain everything you want to know when I do so.

[JaeReed]

Just please answer that one question? I don't care if you still scumread me it's just the one question that I do actually need answered to know if I need to re-evaluate the whole game.

[JaeReed]

Hell, the fact you think I wouldn't be upset if I was scum is concerning as well.

And as scum you would be refusing to answer so as not to incriminate yourself further, rather than being upset.

[JaeReed]

Fine. I'm sorry if I upset you, that was never my intention, I don't deliberately try to do that and as town I know I can end up being an ass with my scumhunting. I'm sorry.

Now I can out my thoughts.
Genuine paranoia.
As scum I can't see you following matt's voting patterns that closely to pick up on that, which even I thought was just you bullshitting when you wrote about it until that post I quoted when I unvoted.
There IS the caveat that it could be you paying more attention to a scum buddy's voting habits and trying to distance because you thought you were going down, but that was a really nuanced read from you and was proof of you analyzing the game at a higher level than I had been seeing. Too nuanced for me to think it was a distancing tactic.

[JaeReed]

Spoiler:

Impo why did you like it?

Oh? What's making you feel as if you need to reconsider? @Impo

Why? @Darklyn

@Impo so who's the scum voting you besides Trans?

@Dark what about that feeling seems scummy?
UNVOTE:

50 - Why? @Dark
51 - Why? @Dunn
52 - A. Don't like the shades of oppertunism being shown here. B. VOTE: Impo 38 and 42 seem like you're talking to someone you think is town. Why the sudden change?
54 - Why is he scum again? Educate me.
-sees a bunch of matt votes that I don't really understand-
79 - I don't read them as either alignment personally.

A. Pretty much. Hmm, how does trying to read the room to lynch town further a scum's wincon. hmmmmmmmm, I wonder...
B. I thought you said that Dark could be scum ;~; But on second thought I just remembered that only 2 people did vote you and I thought 3 did, so I double checked. My baaaad.
C. Kaaaaay.

BTW who do you townread real quickly if anyone.

I felt like these were fake scumhunting, they lack your usual pep and seem too focused on asking a lot of questions and

looking

like you're scumhunting rather than actually feeling genuine to me. I didn't like your reaction here:

Spoiler:

i think alisae's town

You're wrong there

You're wrong there

go on

he received a scum role pm

You're wrong there

In all seriousness Bae, why?

Jae, are you actually going to give me a reason other then I didn't drop your super secret super special awesome towntell you have on me or are you just going to sit here saying "Ali is scum."

lol it's not your town game, has nothing to do with the towntell. Sorry dunno what to tell ya, there was too much posturing going on and buddy attempts, and the defense of pjm was cute

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
hmmmmmmmmmmmm
If this is a really shitty joke you should take it back in your next post.

juri tell me in 10 words or less why you're scum

Received a scum role PM. I'm the roleblocker. VOTE: Juri

I believe it.
VOTE: Juri

Ring ring!
Pot: Hello.
Kettle: Who is this?
Pot: Hi Kettle, it's me Pot!
Kettle: Well hello Pot! How can I help you?
Pot: I just wanted to let you know you're black.
Kettle: Well I just wanted to let you know you're scum.
VOTE: Transcend

Still waiting for BaeReed to be like "LOL IT'S JUST A JOKE GUYZ"

As due to my track record of correctly reading you I feel like you should have actually omgus'ed me rather than tried to brush it off and ignore me. Especially considering you know when I fake a read it's generally a lot more casual than that, and that I only do it as a reaction test in the very short term to confirm feelings I have about a slot more than anything. Which still implies feeling as though you're scum. It's very much trying to play the LAMIST card, by pretending as though you can't possibly fathom me scumreading you, and the fact that you went after a bunch of other people instead of me, the person who you should go after as town because I can read you with scary accuracy, came across as an admission of guilt.

[JaeReed]

So this isn't a joke.
goooooooooooooooooooooooooot it.
VOTE: JaeReed
This is scum boyz. He really isn't interested in hunting me he's just ignoring me alltogether.

This was especially bad given all that, because you hadn't tried to engage me at all beyond pretending you're so town that my scumread has to be a joke.

[JaeReed]

And I'm tilting back into thinking I should just tunnel tf out of Alisae by running through this lol.

[JaeReed]

Oh yeah notice how Jae hasn't voted me yet?
It's because he knows I'll flip town and he doesn't want to be on the wagon when it flips

VOTE: alisae

jaereed your scumread reacted really crappily to the pressure on him

come vote with me

i've been waiting for a vc, i dont like yolo voting v much

I'd already explained this one about 80ish posts earlier

[JaeReed]

Jae I thought you were like "Guys I can soulread this slot, sheep me"
>Sheeps arrive
>"Hahaha I was just joking I was trying to see who would follow me on that.
Mostly because you didn't vote me and your post of "I'm waiting for a VC" I thought sorta confirmed this feeling.
Hence why I thought it was a joke.

No I don't fake scumreads. It's a shit thing to do as town because it makes it harder to ever gain credibility and be believed in your reads.

[JaeReed]

I don't do that when we hadn't even had a vc once. You could have had votes on you from RVS or something which would result in a hammer.

[JaeReed]

Jae/Trivium/?
VOTE: Trivium

Your preflip associations are bad.

If he's not scum why didn't he say "Your scumreads are bad"??!!?!?

Yeah this is bullshit and semantics.

[JaeReed]

I don't do that when we hadn't even had a vc once. You could have had votes on you from RVS or something which would result in a hammer.

A. There's a thing called COUNTING!
B. Why are you worried about this?

It was like six pages in, early game vote hopping happens a lot, and I quite frankly am too lazy to do the mod's job when I'm a player. That answers both of your points btw. A hammer on p6 is awful. I like my D1s to be a decent length.

[JaeReed]

Jae/Trivium/?
VOTE: Trivium

Your preflip associations are bad.

If he's not scum why didn't he say "Your scumreads are bad"??!!?!?

Yeah this is bullshit and semantics.

Why tho

This whole game is based on semantics lol

No it's not, and if you honestly believe that you need to go to mastina and ask for a lesson.
This game is based on identifying the manipulators, and identifying when people aren't being manipulated.
You're not going to find that by going "he worded this differently to how I would" because that's not even factoring in his own mindset and how he approaches problems.

[JaeReed]

Jae is scumreading me proving that they can't read their own gf lol

Admittedly I am putting 0 effort into this game

It's ok I can read Impoetic and that's all that matters.

[JaeReed]

Jae is scumreading me proving that they can't read their own gf lol

Wait. This is offical?
I feel left out.

Since around melbmeet, yeah.

VOTE: dunnstral

let's just lynch this.
he has played with me so many times and he's acting as though this is our first game together. it's disingenuous to the max.

[JaeReed]

What's wrong?

[JaeReed]

Impoetic isn't just town, she's practically conftown.

[JaeReed]

Might as well have been mod confirmed Innocent Child.

[JaeReed]

Dunnstral has played with me in 2 blitz games (one we were both town, one he was scum I was town), Ari's donner party mafia (I was vig, he was town, and I tunneled him all D1 then shot his scumread who was the sk), Questionable Content mafia (he quickly realized I was town really early on after having an issue with me having early reads), Trial of the Evoker (we were scum together and I was in a hydra with Impoetic. Dunn counterclaimed a watcher that watched him make the kill and got that person lynched; i have a really hard time believing he can forget that kind of play), and Typhon (dunn was cult leader and realized I was town there too, and recognized Impoetic as obvtown there and culted her for it)

Like, Dunn pretending he doesn't know how I play is god awful.

[JaeReed]

1 game where you were scum I was town
1 game where you were scum I was scum Impoetic was scum
1 game where you were cult I was town, you culted obvtown!Impo
3 games where we were both town. One of those I tunneled you.

You are pretending as though you don't know how I play when you've townread me every time you've been town or 3rd party.

Add DOTA maf to that if you want, dunn and I both replaced in, he was scum there, I was town.

[JaeReed]

Dunnstral has played with me in 2 blitz games (one we were both town, one he was scum I was town), Ari's donner party mafia (I was vig, he was town, and I tunneled him all D1 then shot his scumread who was the sk), Questionable Content mafia (he quickly realized I was town really early on after having an issue with me having early reads), Trial of the Evoker (we were scum together and I was in a hydra with Impoetic. Dunn counterclaimed a watcher that watched him make the kill and got that person lynched; i have a really hard time believing he can forget that kind of play), and Typhon (dunn was cult leader and realized I was town there too, and recognized Impoetic as obvtown there and culted her for it)

Like, Dunn pretending he doesn't know how I play is god awful.

are you town?

Yes.

Also, you just broke your promise to me.

[JaeReed]

Can't figure out if Triv is scum or just bad!town.

Looks for Nahdia's mini normal in my completed games. He was town there. Your question will be answered.

[JaeReed]

@Jae answer my question to you please

aaaahahahahahahahahahahaha oh god I got too drunk last night i guess. It's open in another tab with a half response and I thought I responded. gimme a sec to get my bearings after waking

[JaeReed]

Crash's post was bad, gerry's post is bad. 787 just bleeds of posturing and fake thought process all over.

I'll answer, though.

At first glance of this game, I wanted to try and get a better feel before making my first serious vote. There are a couple of things that I want to go over, before I do eventually vote.

1. JaeReed.

There is something that is bothering me about them this game. It's nothing that I can say that is scummy, but based on my past experience with them, they feel.. Different. For once, I want to say that they feel way more aggressive to what I'm used to. I know that they are trying to defend Impoetic, which I can see the reasoning for, but it feels a bit over the top to me. Is it not possible that Impoetic knows that you can read her, and she is specifically doing something to break your read on her? How come there hasn't been any visable thought of you thinking about this as a possibility?

As I stated earlier, you are being way more aggressive than I am used to. Is there a reason for this? Because the times as town, you really haven't been too aggressive unless you were defending a townread, but you're aggressive this whole game, regardless if it's defending or not. Can you shine a light onto why you're doing this? I believe the only time I've seen you as scum would be in a hydra with Impoetic, and I did correctly call you out as scum, after I was the day 1 lynch (surprise)

I'm pretty sure I've played aggressively before in a game you've been in, the way I was going himiko and Trans in Pantheon mafia? Anyway, you mentioned even in this quote that I hydra'd with Impo as scum. I know her thought process as scum and her reactions, this just isn't it. I know her outside of games too, and I pay attention to her

because i'm a creepy stalker

. It's like the level you can soulread Claire (which I've seen you do before in Penguin mafia). There's just no way Impo is scum, she can't fool me especially when she wasn't even aware if she needed to. Like I never mentioned to her about the diff in her scum and towngames since I didn't play with her after Trial anyways since she quit forum maf.

If you want meta where I'm aggressive, Double Day Hydra Blitz is a good one, I was Chihiro in the Chihiro and Alter Ego hydra. viewtopic.php?f=83&t=70181

But there's been a lot of times where I've seen people as conftown from early game (and been right) like Ranger's micro with Charloux and Nahdia, the read on MURDERCAT in Nahdia's mini normal, C9++ on Charloux, Trees newbie on KTS. There's a reason my sig has that Charl quote.

Anyways
1st question: No I do not believe she could be doing anything to fool me, I know her too well.
2nd question: Because it's not a possibility.
3rd question: Sometimes I feel more aggressive in a game. Sometimes I feel awfully lazy. Depends on how I feel like approaching any given game.
4th question: See above.

Also the statement about calling me correctly as scum, you never did it in the main thread so it didn't matter ;p but also, it was like 5 minutes to deadline with the person who said he'd hammer you not being around and it was D1. Arguably I did the most protown thing there by hammering and I desperately wished I hadn't been awake and posting for it because of that. I would have hammered you as town because a D1 no lynch is awful for town. So thinking I was maf for the hammer is bad reasoning anyway.

[JaeReed]

Can someone explain to me how Trivium's scumread differs from mine? Because that's what I don't get, people are scumreading Trivium for the same things I was thinking?

[JaeReed]

I'm pretty sure I've played aggressively before in a game you've been in, the way I was going himiko and Trans in Pantheon mafia?

Isn't that the one where you were third party and not town?

Survivor that could win with town and was playing like a mason because of it, yeah.

What's your point, gerry? Because the last time you tried this angle you were scum.

[JaeReed]

There's scum in Dunnstral/gerry

This is more likely to be scum!gerry, my meta tell seems to be holding up and he's intent on discrediting me, which he did in this game: http://emforummaf.prophpbb.com/topic9-125.html#p1810 where he was mafia traitor.

And defensive is an entirely different look, gerryboy, which you know anyway. You're posturing again.

VOTE: gerryoat

[JaeReed]

The point I was making about his posturing is valid regardless of the site.

[JaeReed]

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

This is symbolic, I'm thinking of replacing out because I really don't want to play with scum!RC again. I don't have the energy to push something that will never go through and he's unlynchable as scum.

That said, he

is

scum, 100%.

[JaeReed]

Never ever ever lynch Impoetic. She's conftown. I don't care how good you think you are, if you want to win then don't lynch someone that I've hydra'd with as scum and can guarantee that she's incapable of fooling me.

[JaeReed]

wow I was shocked that this slot was scum tbh

This is actual truthtelling from RC, ftr. I've been in that place before and this is almost verbatim my thoughts when I was there.

Plus nancy replacing out of a game when hardly anything happened to cause it is scum in and of itself from her. Means very likely she had an argument with her scumbuddies given what I know of her.

[JaeReed]

I was quoting something that made me doubt you, would not have SRed you if you didn't respond to that but I'm sorry I forgot the thing

Why does telling the truth about Dunnstral's reactions to my play being disingenuous and proving why make you doubt me?

I mean, you know I don't lie, so we'll start from there.
Given that you know I'm telling the truth about my history of playing with Dunnstral, why do you believe it could be scum indicative that I'm making that known to the rest of the game so that they can understand how his pretending to not know how I play is disingenuous?

[JaeReed]

Gerryoat's probably town this game and currently VLA

Why do you think he's probably town? Why do you feel the need to point out he's VLA?

[JaeReed]

Actually I think the correct solution is to replace out.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

This is symbolic, I'm thinking of replacing out because I really don't want to play with scum!RC again. I don't have the energy to push something that will never go through and he's unlynchable as scum.

That said, he

is

scum, 100%.

this is gross and never say anything like this ever again

replace me

Considering I was just finishing my catch up before I replaced this is actually kind of unfair. I wasn't going to force you to replace when it's me that has a problem with not being able to get scum you lynched.

[JaeReed]

Is RC still 100% scum? lel

I gave my reasons, it doesn't change with the replace out.

[JaeReed]

UNVOTE:

I'm struggling to get out of bed today froggy but impo is town. This is a very strong personal read from being friends with impo outside of ms and also having hydra'd with her as scum. I think gerry might be scum again for similar reasons to house of harmony and he also was posturing a lot wrt me.

Dunn is pretending like he hasn't seen a good range of my play along with doing...well, what he's doing right now, really, and it's pissing me off and might be compromising my ability to read him since I'm prone to omgus.

Your slot is nancy and she replaced for no reason which I feel was because of having an argument in the scum PT and RC replaced in and said he was surprised he replaces a scum slot then proceeded to troll for a few pages. He replaced out because I said I was going to because I don't want to play with scum!RC.

[JaeReed]

UNVOTE:

I'm struggling to get out of bed today froggy but impo is town. This is a very strong personal read from being friends with impo outside of ms and also having hydra'd with her as scum. I think gerry might be scum again for similar reasons to house of harmony and he also was posturing a lot wrt me.

Dunn is pretending like he hasn't seen a good range of my play along with doing...well, what he's doing right now, really, and it's pissing me off and might be compromising my ability to read him since I'm prone to omgus.

Your slot is nancy and she replaced for no reason which I feel was because of having an argument in the scum PT and RC replaced in and said he was surprised he replaces a scum slot then proceeded to troll for a few pages. He replaced out because I said I was going to because I don't want to play with scum!RC.

you think nancy replaced for arguing with scum!RC in a scum PT? Really?!

No nancy was replaced by RC who was then replaced by you.

[JaeReed]

I think gerry might be scum again for similar reasons to house of harmony and he also was posturing a lot wrt me.

talk to me about this more. I was otherscum vs Gerry and checked him and got a guilty, so I had no reason to read him. Why is he scum

Mainly his posturing against me this game, but also his tryhard early game that he never does as town.

Like he pointed out Penguin mafia but there he didn't tryhard until near the end of D1 iirc. The beginning was a lot of trolling. This is more reminiscent of Dream mafia where I noted he was tryharding and he said he wasn't, then said he was tryharding because it was Maria's game, and I let him off the hook for it because I thought reading him based off meta was kinda douchey. But I was right.

viewtopic.php?p=8824025#p8824025 - House of Harmony post on his meta (bits on gerry in the spoiler).

Spoiler: bunch of quotes from this game on my gerry read

Crash's post was bad, gerry's post is bad. 787 just bleeds of posturing and fake thought process all over.

I'll answer, though.

At first glance of this game, I wanted to try and get a better feel before making my first serious vote. There are a couple of things that I want to go over, before I do eventually vote.

1. JaeReed.

There is something that is bothering me about them this game. It's nothing that I can say that is scummy, but based on my past experience with them, they feel.. Different. For once, I want to say that they feel way more aggressive to what I'm used to. I know that they are trying to defend Impoetic, which I can see the reasoning for, but it feels a bit over the top to me. Is it not possible that Impoetic knows that you can read her, and she is specifically doing something to break your read on her? How come there hasn't been any visable thought of you thinking about this as a possibility?

As I stated earlier, you are being way more aggressive than I am used to. Is there a reason for this? Because the times as town, you really haven't been too aggressive unless you were defending a townread, but you're aggressive this whole game, regardless if it's defending or not. Can you shine a light onto why you're doing this? I believe the only time I've seen you as scum would be in a hydra with Impoetic, and I did correctly call you out as scum, after I was the day 1 lynch (surprise)

I'm pretty sure I've played aggressively before in a game you've been in, the way I was going himiko and Trans in Pantheon mafia? Anyway, you mentioned even in this quote that I hydra'd with Impo as scum. I know her thought process as scum and her reactions, this just isn't it. I know her outside of games too, and I pay attention to her

because i'm a creepy stalker

. It's like the level you can soulread Claire (which I've seen you do before in Penguin mafia). There's just no way Impo is scum, she can't fool me especially when she wasn't even aware if she needed to. Like I never mentioned to her about the diff in her scum and towngames since I didn't play with her after Trial anyways since she quit forum maf.

If you want meta where I'm aggressive, Double Day Hydra Blitz is a good one, I was Chihiro in the Chihiro and Alter Ego hydra. viewtopic.php?f=83&t=70181

But there's been a lot of times where I've seen people as conftown from early game (and been right) like Ranger's micro with Charloux and Nahdia, the read on MURDERCAT in Nahdia's mini normal, C9++ on Charloux, Trees newbie on KTS. There's a reason my sig has that Charl quote.

Anyways
1st question: No I do not believe she could be doing anything to fool me, I know her too well.
2nd question: Because it's not a possibility.
3rd question: Sometimes I feel more aggressive in a game. Sometimes I feel awfully lazy. Depends on how I feel like approaching any given game.
4th question: See above.

Also the statement about calling me correctly as scum, you never did it in the main thread so it didn't matter ;p but also, it was like 5 minutes to deadline with the person who said he'd hammer you not being around and it was D1. Arguably I did the most protown thing there by hammering and I desperately wished I hadn't been awake and posting for it because of that. I would have hammered you as town because a D1 no lynch is awful for town. So thinking I was maf for the hammer is bad reasoning anyway.

I'm pretty sure I've played aggressively before in a game you've been in, the way I was going himiko and Trans in Pantheon mafia?

Isn't that the one where you were third party and not town?

Survivor that could win with town and was playing like a mason because of it, yeah.

What's your point, gerry? Because the last time you tried this angle you were scum.

There's scum in Dunnstral/gerry

This is more likely to be scum!gerry, my meta tell seems to be holding up and he's intent on discrediting me, which he did in this game: http://emforummaf.prophpbb.com/topic9-125.html#p1810 where he was mafia traitor.

And defensive is an entirely different look, gerryboy, which you know anyway. You're posturing again.

VOTE: gerryoat

The point I was making about his posturing is valid regardless of the site.

[JaeReed]

over their reads agreeing?

indeed

That's his most current opinion

And it doesn't cross your mind that he could hold that opinion as badtown? (sorry Dark)

[JaeReed]

but also his tryhard early game that he never does as town.

Yeah, don't scumread someone for this please.

It has a 100% success rate so far. It's only when I drop that meta read on him that I ever misread him.

[JaeReed]

That's biased town imo. I think you're reading things at a surface level which is why I have an issue with you in this game because I know you're better than that. Like, your play seems to have undergone a drastic change in the period of 3(?) months and it's really disconcerting.

[JaeReed]

I think gerry might be scum again for similar reasons to house of harmony and he also was posturing a lot wrt me.

talk to me about this more. I was otherscum vs Gerry and checked him and got a guilty, so I had no reason to read him. Why is he scum

Mainly his posturing against me this game, but also his tryhard early game that he never does as town.

Like he pointed out Penguin mafia but there he didn't tryhard until near the end of D1 iirc. The beginning was a lot of trolling. This is more reminiscent of Dream mafia where I noted he was tryharding and he said he wasn't, then said he was tryharding because it was Maria's game, and I let him off the hook for it because I thought reading him based off meta was kinda douchey. But I was right.

viewtopic.php?p=8824025#p8824025 - House of Harmony post on his meta (bits on gerry in the spoiler).

Spoiler: bunch of quotes from this game on my gerry read

Crash's post was bad, gerry's post is bad. 787 just bleeds of posturing and fake thought process all over.

I'll answer, though.

At first glance of this game, I wanted to try and get a better feel before making my first serious vote. There are a couple of things that I want to go over, before I do eventually vote.

1. JaeReed.

There is something that is bothering me about them this game. It's nothing that I can say that is scummy, but based on my past experience with them, they feel.. Different. For once, I want to say that they feel way more aggressive to what I'm used to. I know that they are trying to defend Impoetic, which I can see the reasoning for, but it feels a bit over the top to me. Is it not possible that Impoetic knows that you can read her, and she is specifically doing something to break your read on her? How come there hasn't been any visable thought of you thinking about this as a possibility?

As I stated earlier, you are being way more aggressive than I am used to. Is there a reason for this? Because the times as town, you really haven't been too aggressive unless you were defending a townread, but you're aggressive this whole game, regardless if it's defending or not. Can you shine a light onto why you're doing this? I believe the only time I've seen you as scum would be in a hydra with Impoetic, and I did correctly call you out as scum, after I was the day 1 lynch (surprise)

I'm pretty sure I've played aggressively before in a game you've been in, the way I was going himiko and Trans in Pantheon mafia? Anyway, you mentioned even in this quote that I hydra'd with Impo as scum. I know her thought process as scum and her reactions, this just isn't it. I know her outside of games too, and I pay attention to her

because i'm a creepy stalker

. It's like the level you can soulread Claire (which I've seen you do before in Penguin mafia). There's just no way Impo is scum, she can't fool me especially when she wasn't even aware if she needed to. Like I never mentioned to her about the diff in her scum and towngames since I didn't play with her after Trial anyways since she quit forum maf.

If you want meta where I'm aggressive, Double Day Hydra Blitz is a good one, I was Chihiro in the Chihiro and Alter Ego hydra. viewtopic.php?f=83&t=70181

But there's been a lot of times where I've seen people as conftown from early game (and been right) like Ranger's micro with Charloux and Nahdia, the read on MURDERCAT in Nahdia's mini normal, C9++ on Charloux, Trees newbie on KTS. There's a reason my sig has that Charl quote.

Anyways
1st question: No I do not believe she could be doing anything to fool me, I know her too well.
2nd question: Because it's not a possibility.
3rd question: Sometimes I feel more aggressive in a game. Sometimes I feel awfully lazy. Depends on how I feel like approaching any given game.
4th question: See above.

Also the statement about calling me correctly as scum, you never did it in the main thread so it didn't matter ;p but also, it was like 5 minutes to deadline with the person who said he'd hammer you not being around and it was D1. Arguably I did the most protown thing there by hammering and I desperately wished I hadn't been awake and posting for it because of that. I would have hammered you as town because a D1 no lynch is awful for town. So thinking I was maf for the hammer is bad reasoning anyway.

I'm pretty sure I've played aggressively before in a game you've been in, the way I was going himiko and Trans in Pantheon mafia?

Isn't that the one where you were third party and not town?

Survivor that could win with town and was playing like a mason because of it, yeah.

What's your point, gerry? Because the last time you tried this angle you were scum.

There's scum in Dunnstral/gerry

This is more likely to be scum!gerry, my meta tell seems to be holding up and he's intent on discrediting me, which he did in this game: http://emforummaf.prophpbb.com/topic9-125.html#p1810 where he was mafia traitor.

And defensive is an entirely different look, gerryboy, which you know anyway. You're posturing again.

VOTE: gerryoat

The point I was making about his posturing is valid regardless of the site.

Alright, so I 100% believe this meta read (that doesn't mean I believe you're town...it means I believe what you are saying). And I'm a very heavy meta player.

But I'm not sold on Gerry meta if there's nothing more than meta, simply because I don't personally have a meta read of Gerry.

As much as I hate playing with him because he acts like he's god's gift to man and thinks he's the greatest thing on earth, I am still going to say I have no idea how to read him.

I will say, I do think he does try hard more as scum especially based off your evidence and what I've seen of him. And I know this looks like me frog appeasing you but I don't give a fuck. I think this is good shit.

...look in the spoiler for my quotes on him this game. There's more than meta. I called out his posturing.

Why are you dismissing it all as meta without looking at the quotes from this game that I provided you?

[JaeReed]

I've been thinking about the game as a whole, and thinking if it would just be better to nolynch day 1 all the time. Sure, scum gets a free kill, but our powerroles get a chance at gathering information before we actually do anything day 2, plus we don't get a mislynch.

VOTE: Trivium

[JaeReed]

It has been mathematically proven that no lynch on D1 decreases town's probability of a win.

[JaeReed]

I mean froggy hasn't looked like town!frog and I'll v likely be back there unless he does so. I don't think his emotional responses so far were outside his scum range.

[JaeReed]

No scum blatantly slips like that, it's null.

[JaeReed]

Also Trivium to answer your no lynch question: viewtopic.php?p=7748577#p7748577 (the link nacho is referring to is here viewtopic.php?f=5&t=39739 and yes I do realize this is for the newbie setup but I think no lynch D1 is just bad anyway)

Also D1 is the most important day for discussion, and by no lynching D1 you're handing over the control of the information town gets to scum.

[JaeReed]

Trivium that's the same as pushing for a no lynch. A no lynch through deadline is still a no lynch. It still deprives us of removing a scummy looking player and looking through to see who was scum taking advantage and town genuinely believing in their push.

[JaeReed]

...I can't tell if Trivium is dropping scumtells because he's bad or because he's scum anymore.

[JaeReed]

That's not a slip. A slip is posting something that clearly meant for the scum PT in a neighbourhood PT or something similar, and even then it's not really.

Scum like pushing on things as slips when they're not really so as to make their vote seem justified.
Bad town also do this because they simply don't know how to properly scumhunt though.

VOTE: Fro99er
I'm back to here. Pretty sure this is the right lynch for today.

[JaeReed]

You think Fro99er is more likely than Dunnstal?

That's why I'm voting him.

[JaeReed]

Are you going to say anything or are you going to let your scum partner get lynched?

You think we're scum together and that I placed a hammer vote on him?

So was it staged, or was I bussing? Because it can't be both, unless you think I planned this ruling somehow

Dota

[JaeReed]

I wanna say I don't love the hammer there Dunn but honestly I had no idea where the votes were at there either. Current ruling is it was a mistake I guess. So I guess this is a warning that it won't fly in future.

Anyway momo proving he's either shit tier town or playing too dumb to be scum. Frogger at this stage is highly likely to flip scum even disregarding his predecessors I think. Fully encourage him to change my mind on that if he's town.

Pedit when I can get this post out Dunn you'll get your answer since I was saying it before you even asked lol

[JaeReed]

Hi, gerry is mafia. Impoetic is still obvtown. Dunnstral is a coinflip, gun to my head he's probably town though.

VOTE: gerryoat

Momo, in the future I am never going to sign up for a game you have signed up for, and I request the same courtesy be extended back to me. This goes for replacing into games either of us are alive in.

[JaeReed]

gerry is obvious mafia. I'm never moving my vote. That means if we both make it to lylo I autovote him and if we're both town then town loses. The most pro-town thing to do is to lynch myself or him today. If you lynch me today, upon my townflip I want you to look over everything gerry has done this game, it's obvious that he knows I'm town and was posturing earlier in the game with all his bs questioning towards me.

If you lynch me then you need to sheep my read on him for the next lynch.

I'm not doing more than prod dodging until that happens.

[JaeReed]

Ya, Jaereed. Just like RC was obvs scum that u thought to replace out cause you were SOOOOOOOOOOO sure. Your scumgame disappoints me if you need to use that. You're confirmed 0/1 in reads. and the fact that you keep tunneling me without reconsidering means you were just trying to setup a mislynch like i thought.

I'm going to point out that I tried to get Frogger to obvtown if he was for a reason, because I know he can.

gerry also knows my scum game and should know that I would never do that as scum. Trial of the Evoker.

This is not gerry as town. I can guarantee that.

Like, I'm sure I'm wrong on either momo or dunn here but there's v likely 2 mafia in gerry/momo/dunn. It feels more like gerry is trying to springboard off of momo being trash tier, though. dunn's refusal to see scum gerry and his playing dumb about my meta is weird and I don't know what to think of it in the end.

Now, lynch me then gerry, or lynch gerry and let me get nightkilled for being conftown when he flips.

[JaeReed]

^ This is more posturing.

Like, this is also provably false. The last game I played with you that you're talking about, I pulled my meta tell and you talked me out of it, in Dream mafia, which is the only reason I changed my mind. That is me learning my tell is perfect. Then in House of Harmony which was the REAL LAST GAME I played with you, I nailed both you and your partner. And Transcend. And Cloudkicker.

and the doctor but ok no one is perfect

gerry is guaranteed to flip mafia here. He is a free scum lynch because he's so trash as town that his scum game can suffer from easy meta tells like this now.

[JaeReed]

Relevant?

[JaeReed]

whatever. let's go then.

VOTE: Jae

Impo, lynch me, then lynch gerry. This call is for everyone. I don't care what your read on him is, there is zero chance that I could ever be scum this game and quite frankly I am not such a fucking asshole to have caused RC to replace as scum. If you think that then you are actually either mafia or the worst kind of shit tier human being because it suggests you would do that to someone yourself. Which gerry would, so yeah.

gerry is mafia, dunn is maybe mafia, momo is trash town, trivium is likely town, crash is null, impoetic is conftown.

pedit yes, so stop with the discrediting bullshit you scumfuck

[JaeReed]

If you're town you're a shit person.

[JaeReed]

I don't even care if I get force replaced for saying that. It'd be fucking welcome. Like if pjm is scum here then town has flat out lost because I think everyone else is incompetent. Trans and Frogger died and they were the best chance this game had at a town win. RC should never have self voted as town, that was a shit move and cost us someone who could actually obvtown as town.

[JaeReed]

UNVOTE:

Actually, considering I feel this way I should just replace. Sorry Impo.

@Mod please replace me

[JaeReed]

Math your play was excellent regardless of mishammering in LyLo. Kudos.

+100

[JaeReed]

I mean, afaik Math wasn't giving you leeway as a non-busser here.
Especially not after Alisae's open.

So I'd say they did pretty damn good.
Too bad I replaced nancy in that other game where she was scum and got it in my head that her replace here was the same. Really shouldn't have been playing mafia with the mindset I was in. Sorry RC, Frogger.

[JaeReed]

What's with people and not understanding basic balance?

They haven't been taught by Senpai.