Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yes

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Don't see how but hey man, you do you.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

[Lil Uzi Vert]

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Only going to respond with DK from now.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Well, Ali's vote is the straw that broke the camel's back here. I'm done.

I'm town and haven't attempted to build a wonder.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

None of those 5 people had a realistic chance of happening most of the day.

...This is Day 4 and we haven't had a scum wagon yet. Bullshit on just voting popular wagons. At least TRY. Like in Open 665 you tried. Even when you were lurktastic in WWE Mafia you tried.

I have tried, I'm done trying now. WWE Mafia despite how bastard it was is exactly why Nero should realize I'm town.

I'm town and haven't attempted to build a wonder.

why not

I didn't like any of them. Except Pyramids and The Oracle.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

You're scum. You can all bus LUV tomorrow. You die first.

1) I'm town. It's been thoroughly demonstrated as such.
2) We lynch LUV now. I was talking with the person who built Halicarnassus D1 and have crumbed or outright mentioned this before.
3) LUV doesn't explain the hammer.

The scum went after MariaR because she is perceived as an easy mislynch.

If you want to mislynch me nancy you're going to have to make a case because LUV is scum and needs rope badly. There's no way in hell I'm getting mislynched over lying scum.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

LUV why did you like The Oracle?

Potential scum slips and priority thing.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Your VCA is a PoS too nancy. Until a scum flip occurs the best you can get is there's likely at least 1-2 scum in (x players) etc. Coloring people red shows your biases.

Pedit: So let me get this straight, we don't know how far we are from LyLO and you're "done trying now". Bullshit. You have a scum role PM.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

And yet thou didst not try for it because...?

I wanted something that suited me better.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Good luck at the interview.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Please, continue scumclaiming. Colors are pretty, I tried a lot of variations and I like the one where you're red best.

Liking something doesn't make it true. FYI I also can't scum claim as I'm not scum.

Likely at least one scum if not more in: CloudKicker,

PV

, nancy,

Gorkington

,

Creature

,

Alisae

,

Leonshade

,

Brian Skies

, Yuri
Likely at least one scum if not more in: Lil Uzi Vert,

Vecna

,

Leonshade

, Caesar Wills It, nancy,

Alisae

, CloudKicker
Likely at least one scum if not more in:

Vecna

,

Creature

, Nero Cain,

Gorkington

, Caesar Wills It,

Brian Skies

,

Leonshade

, Lil Uzi Vert

That is what we know from VCA (and obviously I'm town sooooooo)

Then start adding and subtracting townreads from that list. If people suggest scum teams that don't meet those criteria I'm going to go WTF and ask how an all town lynch on that specific day happened. You'll see that's what I did from earlier VCAs as well.

Nero, PV, Caesar, LUV << I think those four are all scum.

5 minutes wasted and didn't learn anything lololol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Anyway if you want to sort me at least until the 16th, take note of what I responded to after I posted that DK picture.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Vecna: I didn't forget, they were just the first thing to come to mind.

Ali, Dave, Ceasar, and Math are perfect candidates for that Wonder.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Vecna: I didn't forget, they were just the first thing to come to mind.

Ali, Dave, Ceasar, and Math are perfect candidates for that Wonder.

......Unless you can change the first post I am a horrible candidate as I have Stonehenge. It's not paying attention like this that makes me think you're scum.

In general.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

@Vecna: I didn't forget, they were just the first thing to come to mind.

Ali, Dave, Ceasar, and Math are perfect candidates for that Wonder.

I missed something, what's this about?

Forbidden Palace wonder.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VOTE: nancy

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Hey.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Fresh eyes probably.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm a bee plus I'm buzzing

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I have flipped my read on Max. Talk about that one Dave.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I have flipped my read on Max. Talk about that one Dave.

Umm, I don't see your read flipping recently. I think an explanation might be in order.

Don't like how he wanted to confirm me as town by demanding I build a Wonder from this era.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Based on your having claimed to have not built one, why shouldn't we want you to prove that claim?

He shouldn't want me to prove it because it gives scum knowledge they don't need to have.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Doubt a no kill gambit here.

VOTE: Gork

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Ali had a mental breakdown

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Tell me about Italy.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

nancy I'm town. I've just been lost since ABR flipped town and now Sondam.

I'm rarely seen in this state because as scum I'm usually a lot more town read then this and faking engagement and when I'm town and on roll via either calling a read right or strongly believing in a read I'm a lot more engaged. I just don't have anything to give other than sheep those who I think are town. I don't have the will to reread and real time interactions just get drowned out by noise. Don't get me wrong, you're absolutely right but it's such a struggle to get a wagon going on anyone and town has had no signs of teamwork since the middle of Day 1.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Oh come on, you know I don't do those. Can I just meet you halfway?

I'm meeting you halfway. As always, we'll go in alphabetical order.

Spoiler: Reads

Cloud:

I'm scum reading Cloud because of his discrediting of me and his voting early on. He was hounding the people he voted for in Vecna and Notice early on to acknowledge his votes for them yet he didn't provide any real reasoning for why he was scum reading them. It smelled like scum trying to turn around the perception of his slot by trying to look town. Later on, I've come to find that I haven't liked any of his votes he's casted. They're either with little to no reasoning or for NAI reasons. His focus on Leon bothers me the most because he's just putting Leon in some sort of box and saying you fit without really analyzing any of the motivations of the posts he finds to be textbook scum.

Gork:

I'm scum reading Gork because I town read Creature and I don't see him being the time to gambit like this as scum in this position. I'm also in very much agreement with his theory on this slot being the one to have attempt to kill Night 3.

KidAmn:

My scum read on this slot mostly comes from his predecessor, Yuri. I hate scum reading people based on their predecessor but I was scum reading Yuri hard and I just can't let it go at this point. Sadly, Kid hasn't done anything to redeem the slot. Part of this isn't his fault per say due to the game being 400+ pages and the amount of time to read and properly digest it all will probably take anywhere from 2 weeks to a month but we're at Day 4 now and without a flip. Shit is what it is. I haven't like Kid's interactions with Ali. It felt more like trying to chastise him rather than trying to talk through each point and explain why he should be looking else where.

Maxous:

Probably my second weakest scum read here. I just really don't like how he was sort of role fishing by demanding I build a Wonder today to prove I haven't attempted to build any. He should know as well as I do that there is no way for me to actually prove that I built a Wonder and the Wonders that are available to build today, specifically the neighborhood one, is practically allowing him to confirm me as essentially a mason to scum.

nancy:

This scum read mostly came from your predecessor, Spiffy. I didn't like Spiffy tunneling Bee on outdated meta and the rest of his reasoning for his other scum reads were very weak. I saw him as a potential partner to the Yuri slot because of his constant derailing of the Yuri wagon. Now, what Spiffy has done is peanuts to what you have done. I understand that you play the game very differently than I do. The problem is that is there was a line that you've crossed. At least for me, and maybe for others as well. It's perfectly fine to use meta as a small part of a read but isn't fine to completely clear someone or declare someone as confirmed scum because of not only how hard of a tool it is to actually use, but simply how unreliable it is. VCA, all bias aside, is generally accepted to be a tool to use as a small part of a read, but again not to completely clear someone or to declare someone as confirmed scum. You've used both these tools to consistently give out very strong reads and I think that is more indicative to come from scum than town.

Notice:

Outside of the slip which I've gone over in detail earlier and not going to really bring up now because it will just lead to more noise, there hasn't been much to go off of here. However, there is something indeed strange about them, nancy, and Ali. I don't know if it is due to personal issues or what but it is something that I have in my notes that I felt was worth bringing up here in case one of them do flip scum. Mainly the clear of Ali off a tell. Now I've played various games with Ali and I'm willing to argue that he's much more of a fast learner than people give him credit for. I think there is no real tell for Ali yet but there could be as he gets more time in this site. Other than that, I didn't really like their vote or push on Maxous.

--

As to why I scum read Sondam, I found their read on me fake for reasons that I'm not going to go over right now and their hop on ABR. I don't recall any games of me quick hammering but again, the circumstances.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Now I'm just going to sheep my town reads for the rest of the game and hope for the best. I'm not effective in this current state but will not replace out due to mods struggling to find replacements.

pedit: Why?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I mean I'll move my vote if you want.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I know that. I was telling nancy that she's absolutely right but it seems like we can't get any other wagon to move.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm pretty sure that Ali, Creature, Math, Nero, PV, and Vecna are all town.

Ceasar, Dave, and Leon are probably town.

This just leaves Brian's slot for me. He looked somewhat town before replacing out.

pedit: Let's do it

VOTE: KidAmn

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Ali because of his eagerness early on and his try hard case on me to right out the gate Day 1. He has a way of appearing like he is eager and excited for a game but there is a tonal difference that he cannot fake yet.

Creature because of his stream of consincious when he was wagoned seem genuine and I don't see a reason for him to attempt this gambit as scum

Do I really have to go over Math? There is no way Math stages that hydra dissonance as scum there.

Nero because of how he was attacked early on for his play during the first Resolution phase and his insane push on Math. The latter just seems pointless and a waste of time considering the position scum are in.

Not going over PV.

I understand the paranoia around Vecna but I strongly believe he is town. He is not as loud as scum in my experience. He would not fight so hard in the Resolution phase like did if he was town. There is no reason for him to white knight me as scum. PyP lasted for about 2 months and I'm pretty sure he knows that the reputation I have accumulated as scum or as a player in general is not indicative of my actual play. There is several other players here he benefits more from buddying or white knighting. All the other shit he's been scum read for his is solely due to his personality and not alignment indicative.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

if he was scum*

Obvious typo

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Well again hey

*insert DK thumbs up*

[Lil Uzi Vert]

UNVOTE:

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Sheeping whatever town read is on at the moment.

Ali unvoted and I never self vote..
I don't even know who Nero is voting for right now.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

i don't even know with this fucking game anymore.

Literally me since ABR flipped.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

The way I see it right now:

If Glork flips town, Creature gets lynched tomorrow
If Leon flips town, one of Cloud or Glork get lynched tomorrow
If Ceasar flips town, nothing learned
If Dave flips town, nothing learned
If I'm lynched, nothing is learned

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Why is Leon scum again?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Ali I'm trying real hard not to troll and spam the game.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

LUV what is learned if any of those flip scum?

I don't play associative shit so I don't know

pedit: Leon is town for me because I've agreed with a lot of what he said since like the middle of Day 2 and I don't think he would meta clear Ali like he did.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Nero can testify for this, Leon is also tonally different from WWE Mafia.

pedit: I think as scum he would try to lynch you or keep feeding into how paranoid you can be. I don't see any of that in his interactions with you.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

pedit: I think as scum he would try to lynch you or keep feeding into how paranoid you can be. I don't see any of that in his interactions with you.

No he wouldn't he would try to pocket me and leave it at that.

Agree to disagree then.

I'm voting Gork, LUV. Sheep me.

VOTE: Gork

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Nah WWE wasn't multi ball. Thank god it wasn't actually.

That may be true but if all I'm getting is that he isn't doing anything than I mean where has that gotten us. Sondam wasn't doing anything and got lynched.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Agree to disagree then.

Have you even played with scum!Leon?

Yes.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

LUV Have you read Spyro?

I remember you linking it, not in this game but in another one.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

That may be true but if all I'm getting is that he isn't doing anything than I mean where has that gotten us. Sondam wasn't doing anything and got lynched.

This is legitmately my experience with him in Spyro.

Can you link it again?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

LOL Ali you would know as scum that I don't mind bussing.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

At first glance I think he's slightly more invested here than in that game.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Like it's 3am Ali I don't have the energy to read 100+ posts, just give me something here. Quote it and I'll see if I can sheep you on it.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I was trying to get someone to take Oracle to confirm if he had slipped earlier because I was scum reading his slot hard D1.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Only the second one is pretty damming because it was a very shitty hop on to the wagon. He stated the problems with Spiffy's case but hopped on the wagon anyway because he said he found him town in a very unconvincing way for some unknown reason.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I was trying to get someone to take Oracle to confirm if he had slipped earlier because I was scum reading his slot hard D1.

You referring to Aslan?

Yeah that was post was for Ali.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Link me to where you're saying he slipped?

31.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

How is that a scumslip?

Nowhere in the OP does it state how many scum there are.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

With the Orcale, you could essentially word a question in a way that would tell you how many. I don't think it's big enough of a case against him or Vecna who had brought it up first but it something to keep in mind.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Not with the lore I think. I mean I don't play CIV but I highly doubt it.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Hmmmm

I guess it is a possibility.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Just something to keep in mind with the lack of scum flips.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I was more concerned with figuring out how the priority thing worked.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

The likelihood of building a Wonder.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

*shrug*

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I don't see why you would lie about something that could easily be looked up on Google so I took your word for it.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I can feign ignorance pretty well but that isn't me doing it. I literally thought the mod came up with this setup on their own. It wasn't until like the middle of D1 that I realized this was based on a game.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I don't have any real experience with Jae. Just what went down earlier Day 1 didn't sit well with me. If I had to place them in reads it would be the third weakest scum read.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

So are we still waiting for Leon to return from v/LA or what?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I am going to policy lynch anyone who is still voting nancy when I am caught up. fuck off.

400 pages lol good luck

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Game has sort of halted and I really don't know why.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

150 pages lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

rip brain

[Lil Uzi Vert]

rip nero lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Aye CK now we're talking.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm down but I don't think we will have enough support for Max.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I predict two more votes for Nero. One will be Math.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

wtf wasn't Math scum reading Nero

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Nero is obvScum.

Yeah they are lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Psyche just gave me one as a joke. It should go away in about 24 hours.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I want a permanent one though

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I have to work tomorrow but hopefully I'll catch RC vs. Nero on my lunch break

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Ayy RC let me sleep on it

[Lil Uzi Vert]

What if we do Cloud first?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I mean I don't care at the end of the day but I know a lot of people here do and it just feels like the people that have been wagoned today are going to flip town and we're going to lose.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

It's finally happening!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Rip Nero lolol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Just bored.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Lololol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

The reality Nero is that no one knows. No one knows where to go from here if you flip town.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Holy shit he broke lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I don't even know VC is that L-1

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Oh Nahdia

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Oh your just at L-3 lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

The dramatics!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah that's why I didn't understand the breakdown

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I assume your not gonna claim Nero

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Plot twist!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm not even on your wagon. I'm just enjoying the situation because I think you probably flip town here.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

This game need a mastina or a mollie

Like I want to sheep RC but I know there is a chance we fuck up here and lose

[Lil Uzi Vert]

This game needed a mastina or a mollie

Like I want to sheep RC but I know there is a chance we fuck up here and lose

EBWOP.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

It is really hard to defend against your lynch Nero considering what've you been pushing math on and some of what you've pushed nancy on

[Lil Uzi Vert]

like I can defend having Sondam as null and freaking out but I can't defend the sleeping thing

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Real life is just off limits to push as a case lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

The Math push just is grade A reaching. The nancy push is just bad because a good part of it is in real life stuff that can't be proven or disproven really.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I know what you said.

I'm saying it is literally like impossible to really prove it. I forgot which post explained it but it made sense when it was explained.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

One sec

[Lil Uzi Vert]

TBF the Sondam lynch started around 9687 with a time stamp of Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:15 pm and goes all the way to 9810 or Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:16 pm.

Since I can't post on going game posts I CAN quote this.

It's important to keep yourself hydrated.

Nancy's claim that she didn't post against the Sondam wagon was b/c she was asleep.

and whats the time stamp on that post?

Wed Mar 08, 2017 4:55 pm

She does have an earlier one @ Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:46 am.

But yeah, Nancy was online and active so she's deff lying. Senpai has to be scum as well since she's corroborateing Nancy's lie. There are exactly three scum in Math, Nancy and Senpai.

1) This is manipulative as fuck and is not alignment indicative.
2) nancy could have posted and then slept. Thus making the statement true.
3) nancy could have posted at midnight in this game. Played other games and then gone to bed.
4) nancy could be lying about being asleep but doing something else.

Pretty much I will never vote nancy as long as you are alive because you are trying to sneak RL/ongoing as an attack which is a low blow.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

that post right there yeah, just so many things could've happen

[Lil Uzi Vert]

As for the Math push I mean the priority thing and thinking they're scum for not wanting to be shot is just reaching

[Lil Uzi Vert]

This game need a mastina or a mollie

Like I want to sheep RC but I know there is a chance we fuck up here and lose

You'd rather sheep mastina or mollie than me lol

Lol no I'm saying we need someone to bring town together. You have a good chance of only dividing it more.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

You said you followed up until ABR lynched, do you agree that town had something good going before the town block was broken up?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Did you even read Math's post?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Lol what do you want me to say? Yes? It is not going to affect my scum read on nancy

As for Math the priority thing was bad but as for not wanting to die you have to take their personality and play style in account. Math likes to think they can solve the game on their own and usually wants to go out with a fight. Willing sacrificing themselves at the point of the game just isn't something they would do.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Lol what do you want me to say? Yes? It is not going to affect my scum read on nancy

As for Math the priority thing was bad but as for not wanting to die you have to take their personality and play style in account. Math likes to think they can solve the game on their own and usually wants to go out with a fight. Willing sacrificing themselves at that point of the game just isn't something they would do.

EBWOP.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Like I say yes and then what? There is hardly any support for a nancy lynch

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah I mean if she's scum we can just say we told everyone post game

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I think I'm still on that wagon.

I just want to hear from Leon right now. A lot of his reasoning for being on your wagon was kind of bad but he did have an interesting point about you being sort of the cause of conflict that I want him to elaborate on.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Also want to hear from Ceasar.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I think Titus made them take it

[Lil Uzi Vert]

interesting point about you being sort of the cause of conflict that I want him to elaborate on.

if I'm scum why do I not blend in?

WIFOM.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah that's the part that's actually scummy but you aren't focusing on that you're just trying to hammer home that she was online.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

We ain't doing too much talking, I'm talkin' talking like a speech

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Hermès link, ice-blue mink

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Alright, 5 days out. Let's not pull another Sondam.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm waiting to hammer.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I want to see a wagon actually get to L-1 because it has been a damn struggle to since the end of Day 2.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm only putting people at L-1 or hammering from here on out.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Don't we all agree on Cloud? I don't see why we can't do him today.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Sondam's self-vote vs. Nero's self vote hmmm

[Lil Uzi Vert]

There really needs to be a rubbing chin emoji

[Lil Uzi Vert]

What about Gerry though? Gerry was the one that actually self-vote.

I agree with you on Maria.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Thing is while it is out of character for Nero I mean he essentially cracked over Alisae. I don't think scum Nero's straw that broke the camel's back would be Ali ignoring him.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Wanna hear something funny LUV? Something I honestly never thought I'd hear myself say this game or possibly ever.

Let's hear it

[Lil Uzi Vert]

You're my top TR

Yay

[Lil Uzi Vert]

ok? You think I'm scum so....

Why will no one tell me who they are lynching when I flip town? I'd also like an explanation for why I killed Frogger.

I'd also like an explanation for why I killed Frogger.

I thought you said he was killed for being town.

yes, a scum team containing me would kill someone that was town reading me so I ask who are my buddies.

see, Nancy says Frogger was killed for "reasons". What reasons?

Alisae you are so fucking terrible if you are town.

vote:Nero

lynch the fuck out of RC and Nancy when I flip town.

I don't know man. Reads like town frustrated about not being heard.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

and this is why Leonshade needs to hang - hopping onto multiple mislynches late in the day while encouraging town to look at everyone else on those wagons, and when pressed on his jumping onto them, claims it was totally not his fault, the lynches were inevitable and he just sped it up.

Hmmm

[Lil Uzi Vert]

What do you have to say for yourself Leon?!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Is the game solved if Nero flips scum here?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Like I'm trying to figure out why we can't do a mutual scum read. You're acting like Nero's flip here makes everything suddenly clear.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Nero flips scum
RC night killed
???
Then what we let Math run rampant

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Like I'm trying to figure out why we can't do a mutual scum read. You're acting like Nero's flip here makes everything suddenly clear.

Was this @me?

Nah RC.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'll never be endgamed by Nero lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Leon looking real shaky right now.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Ceasar
Cloud
Nero
Yuri

and then...... RC!

jk jk

Dave/Max

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Going solo over here fam' woo

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Those aren't my real reads lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

You've realized scum have been coasting but your description of your Nero scum read doesn't fit that description. If you were just able to identify who's been coasting scum so easily, why aren't you pushing them? We aren't in LYLO or MYLO yet so how've come to reevaluate doesn't really make sense to me. All I'm getting is that you're implying Brain's replace out caused this. Also, what's the difference between my behavior and Nero's? I've arguable been just as disruptive.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

You can literally spin that anyone who's been here for more than a Day has been stirring shit.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

There's a lot of pushes from Nero you can analyze in order for us to see if the basis for this read is genuine. Why aren't you doing it?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

You've realized scum have been coasting but your description of your Nero scum read doesn't fit that description. If you were just able to identify who's been coasting scum so easily, why aren't you pushing them? We aren't in LYLO or MYLO yet so how've come to reevaluate doesn't really make sense to me. All I'm getting is that you're implying Brain's replace out caused this. Also, what's the difference between my behavior and Nero's? I've arguable been just as disruptive.

No, Nero fits scum who HASN'T been coasting. My point is that if all my townreads were correct, the D1/D2 active players were 100% town. That makes no sense. I think most of them were town, and scum was largely content to watch as the town egos clash and ruin the game, but that Nero was the active scum serving to make town even more conflicted.

Going back to read takes a lot of time, and Nero's reactions today have already convinced me that he's scum. I'm willing to make the time to case him if that's what it takes to get him lynched.

It doesn't but I don't see why town doesn't push coasting scum here. We need a flip. Any scum flip would be helpful at this point.

I know rereading is a task in itself but you really need to show your work if you're going to accuse some of purposefully keeping the level of confusion and tension in the town high. On the surface it sounds scummy but without any context provided, it's just an empty statement.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Now we're getting somewhere. Why is Nero's push on Math not wanting to be shot the cause of the constant discord?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I can see it for the nancy push but I can't see it for the Math one.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Nero was pushing on me and Alisae earlier. Were those pushes scum motivated?

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I just can't see Math as scum here unless they drastically changed their scum play.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah it's been a while since we've seen Math but IRL. They said something about a birthday.

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If you take the hydra dissonance out of the equation, Nero's push on Math makes a lot of sense from a logic standpoint if you consider that he obviously doesn't have an understanding on Math's play style. I don't see how his push really added to the chaos compared to PV's push on Math.

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@Vecna: They said something about job interviews as well.

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I know it's awfully convenient but nothing we can do. They did promise they would be here Monday.

I'm thinking of joining the Leon wagon.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Leon I totally agree with you on pushing nancy the way Nero has been only adds to the chaos. I just think he has a really good point about her Sondam read so I don't know.

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I've been the exact opppsite. The Bee push over Yuri made no sense from a town stand point. Also his other pushes were bad.

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Most I've what I've been scum reading you for nancy you've toned down. The problem is Nero and Vecna brought up some interesting things and it has sadly only reinforced my read on you.

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Going to be hilarious post game of Ceasar and Dave were actually scum just laughing in the background.

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I mean I don't see how Nero's reactions today have been scummy. RC just comes in, chit-chats, and then just quotes something about Nero's reasoning on why Frogger died and says Nero is scum. Now I know cases on RC's thing but you're going to need a bit more to get 8 people to follow you.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I still am. The basis of my scum read on her was that the way she was using meta and VCA to form her reads wasn't genuine.

I believe Vecna when he says that she's been bullshitting mainly because he's a favorite of mine and I've read all of his past games. He doesn't have many games on this site and based on my experience with him he can easily fake his town game. I think he's the kind of player you have to have played a ton of games with to be as confindent as nancy's been.

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Replacing out is NAI.

Yeah it makes zero sense to replace out there as scum but facts are facts. The Bee lynch was bad.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I mean I don't see how Nero's reactions today have been scummy. RC just comes in, chit-chats, and then just quotes something about Nero's reasoning on why Frogger died and says Nero is scum. Now I know cases arent RC's thing but you're going to need a bit more to get 8 people to follow you.

EBWOP.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah I mean there has to be 2 scum among the actives.

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I don't even remember Frog's reads but yeah that might be the key to solving the game.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

{A+N}
{DEO, Elbirn, PV}
{Vecna, LUV}
{Drixx, Spiff}
{Creature, Nero}
{ABR, davesaz, ssbm} <-- null line
{Caesar, Sondam, Leonshade}
{Notice}
{Maxous}
{Beeboy}
{Yuri}

Had Max and Notice as scum *rubs chin*

[Lil Uzi Vert]

VOTE: Leon

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That scum team kinda fits like a glove but it can't be that easy.

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There has to be one curveball.

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Alisae? Imagine.

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Yeah none of those posts read like Mastina. None even sound like they were written for Jae.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Ghostwriting posts lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I haven't actual read into Gork but the problem is the basis of the read on him for most is that Creature claimed to have role blocked him.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Nah Elbrin and Gin were fairly town.

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Yeah him pushing Notice still even after I had simmered down was weird but his play early on didn't feel forced.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

RC, this is what scum faking frustration looks like.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

No convinction in his giving up. It's not even justified.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

We need to actually get something out of Ceasar before ending the day here.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

We need to actually get something out of Ceasar before ending the day here.

Caesar is heavily occupied by RL and is also overgamed.

I know about the latter but I just want him to give his case on me that he promised and an updated reads list.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

My meta on Ceasar is that he's more lurky as scum but ehh lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I haven't played with town Ceasar in a while.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

In 199 he can be active when he wants to a lurks off suspicion.

Yeah this has been my experience with his scum game.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Because it's Alisae

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Nah Ali actually had a TR on Nero before RC came.

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I think you're scum Cloud. Not gonna happen.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I'm not getting into this on mobile lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Ali doesn't want to deal with RC, that's why he sheeped.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

For me it's just more fun trolling him so I don't care but Ali ain't ballsy

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Savage.

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Lol

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Lol

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Just enjoy your birthday some more

[Lil Uzi Vert]

We got 4 days. Who we lynching?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

RC getting savaged right now.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Michael Phelps with the swim moves.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Yeah seems strange after that mental breakdown earlier.