(NSFW) Mini 1882 - TPTG Mafia 1.5: The Fappening (NoWins)

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Good morning wood!

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People are starting to pair up already. Who wants this dick?

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I'd take you, Fresh.

Eager to jump on...why?

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I AM THE ONE WHO DICKS.

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Eager to jump on...why?

hi fresh did you roll scum with thinkbig?

You see, I'm kind of the opinion that the scum wouldn't want to be lovers together.

Perhaps you are more the scum yeah?

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So if someone wants to fuck someone, but they can't, can they try and fuck someone else or just hope to get fucked by someone?

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Fresh makes me need to ask...

Mod, is everyone in this game 18+?

Haha I'm approaching double that.

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Oh and I'm not a lurker. I just don't post pages each day like some players on this site. Lol

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Oh and I'm not a lurker. I just don't post pages each day like some players on this site. Lol

youre supposed to make a big deal about how much of a big deal i made about you and thinkbig.
what gives.

Its day 1. Most of us are wrong. So I really don't care. Kinda more focused thinking about what scum would do day 1 in this mechanic. Once I figure that out I'll start trying to peg people. But fuck that right now, still tryin to figure out who I'm gonna attempt to dick stab.

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It'd be funny as shit if I slipped mine All In in place of kuroi...

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What is proper thought here? Also try and bone Rach or realize most cannot bone her as she is the one who bones instead?

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On that note I’d also like to discuss with AllIn, Fresh, NN and Rach what their thoughts are on the pool of non-Getting Kinky players. If there is a candidate that everyone thinks is most likely scum in that group it certainly isn’t out of the question to coordinate to match up those who can still choose with the Townier players in the stranded pool and effectively achieve a lynch via leaving one player unmatched. Personally at this stage ThinkBig or Kuroi look like good strand choices to me.

Its not up to us as much as we want it to be.

Say you want to strand ThinkBig. The moment the failed lovers get the chance to go again, he can just be the first to post a get kinky and hope it works. Its not in our power to strand.

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Oh and whatever argument is happening above, clearing this up now.

The last player who has no one to Get Kinky Wit-It will be lynched, and their alignment flipped.

If there are multiple players, a second chance will be given.

So there.

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It is still possible after the second chance that multiple lynches could occur. But that's highly unlikely given that probability is decent that the failed lovers have similar kinks vs not. This circles back to my point that we can't control who is stranded when once a second chance comes up that individual can just whip it out.

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thanks.
you missed a spot though.

I missed an entire post. Literally I did not read it.

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It was necessary for me to review it anyway. I'm trying to discern at this point just going for some kink because there's such a large player pool in the failed section that its reasonable for a second chance to still occur as well as someone remaining still choosing me. The only thing I'm thinking about mechanically is the # of scum as well as how many scum may already be in the failed pool. My train of thought initially would either be for a scum player to quickly pull his/her dick out or to wait it out and be one of the last to have first choice on hooker scraps.

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Not against discussion...just don't believe we have the power to strand a specific player.

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Not against discussion...just don't believe we have the power to strand a specific player.

It is possible. It would basically require the players who are currently in the "Stranded" pool to claim their kinks so those who still have the option to Get Kinky could coordinate and come to a conclusion on who links up with who. And maybe mathematically it isn't in the cards. But without discussion no way to know.

I'm not sure everyone in the Stranded Pool and everyone in the Still Able to Act pool would be amenable to that much information being shared Day 1. But I'd like to see what the group with Options (including you) thinks of this.

Too early to start a claim game don't you think?

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@Rach. Something about your posts make me feel like you know something we don't (well obviously since we all know our own fetishes) but it makes me feel as if no one can get it on with you mechanically but you have all the power to screw any of us. That's either the impression I'm getting from you OR I'm a lunatic.

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Yeah .. I don’t necessarily agree. If you want to try to accomplish an actual scum removal today there are steps that will need to be taken. If you aren’t interested so be it.

I think we can work on scum removal with the lies that are present without needing more lies. You're ignoring the fact that every player in the failed pool COULD be town. The lynches aren't entirely in our control. Day 1 reads are shit anyway. The guaranteed thing we have going for us is that we can't "no lynch".

I would advise that actual scum removal will occur less in this conversation and more in others. The game does not need to devolve into a claim game this early. In my opinion.

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Or if you really really wanna talk to me...my vagina is available.

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My kink: summing up things in one line or less

Are you available to bone? I wanna get kinky with you for this alone.

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Guys I got the call

I'm getting a kidney transplant tomorrow

So... VLA for 3-4 days I guess?

Wear condoms and don't catch STDs while I'm gone

Congrats!!!!!!!!!

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I like MoI because even though we didn't agree I felt at least he was trying to develop an idea and thats town to me and enough for me to consider in my get kinky attempt.

I am also considering Rach but for a completely different reason. With 3 failed attempts on her already, I feel that even if I too fail on that attempt there's at least information to be gathered from it for the mechanic. Someone immune to everyone's attempt

could

be indicative of alignment. But its all speculation on my end and nothing more.

I am not interested in attempting a kink with anyone already in the failed pool as again its for gathering mechanic information allowing as many of them as possible for a second attempt at succeeding/failing which to me is opportunity to learn.

In my opinion, with little to no control over the lynches, all I can learn from right now (because most day 1 reads are still shitty to me) is seeing more of the mechanic in action.

That is all.

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Its not wrong for me to think that no one who initiates with you can work. Perhaps you're a dominatrix? Lol

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Considering making my move in the next day or so as I'm far less active on weekends. Want to see if we get a replacement over the next 24 hours for nn30 and if that individual is active.

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A man must catch up and tell me what he thinks!

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I've decided that we have more to learn if I choose Rach since 3 have already failed.

Also, in my opinion those of us who haven't used their option yet should consider doing so or at least discussing it. There's been dead zones in this game through the whole week I think once close to almost half a day without a post.

Get Kinky Wit-it: RachMarie

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@Jaqen, if you didn't see it catching up, you replaced nn30.

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I am suspicious of you only because I barely had anything that would deter it on my end and yet it was still failed. Just leaving this here.

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The thing that gets me about failing with Rach is this:

Via rules: "If you make a request with a player who has one of your Off-Limits Kink, your request will fail."

I only have 1 off limits. 3 others failed with her and I did as well. That mechanically seems so highly improbable.

@MoI though I am still against full on claiming at this point, I'd advise against me as your choice.

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The thing that gets me about failing with Rach is this:

Via rules: "If you make a request with a player who has one of your Off-Limits Kink, your request will fail."

I only have 1 off limits. 3 others failed with her and I did as well. That mechanically seems so highly improbable.

@MoI though I am still against full on claiming at this point, I'd advise against me as your choice.

D2D?

Sure

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We'll find out I guess.

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No one wants to talk so I'll keep talking.

So IF Jaqen and I pair up, all who remain are:

ThinkBig, Kuroi, and Snowman. And this would open up the second chance for two of them to pair as all people's first asks are expired. I imagine they can't do that til our boner Gods determine if Jaqen was successful or not.

TB and Snow failed with Rach. Kuroi failed with All In. Ironically, Rach and All In are together...

Many people are scumreading the first two. Snowman's ISO lacks pretty much anything relevant. So if Jaqen failed, chances are I'd use my second chance on him if someone doesn't just get kinky the moment they can again (which I realize is not out of the realm of possibility.

Thoughts?

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Enough talk about Jaqen. Those posts fill the feed and help scum.

I need thoughts on this:

The lynched player will get to hand out the Book of Love to one of the Lover groups. Those Lovers will be made permanent. This will happen during Twilight.

Scum will name a player to be killed, and the night phase will be resolved immediately. Dawn will begin.

Each new day, the Orgy starts anew. Any Lovers are treated as a single slot for the purposes of Orgy Mechanic, although only the first player involved in a Get Kinky request will count for the Off-Limits check. IE Player A and B are lovers, and Player C requests to Get Kinky with Player B. Even if Player A isn't compatible with Player C, this would still work.

This is the Commune of Free Love, and we don't judge. Lover groups can be of any size, however, remember that they are all lynched or night killed together.

Each day phase will start with an odd-number of playerslots. If at any time this cannot be accomplished, the Town will win.

We're gonna have a pair of permanent lovers starting day 2. It can grow to three or four and so on. If there's a large town contingency then that's major killage for the scum. They can't kill the permanent lovers tonight because we would open day 2 with an even number and automatically win. So I think when this next day starts we really need to keep our dicks in our pants for the first bit of it and really consider options because that group is going to have to grow.

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actually the permanent lovers count as 1

playerslot

so scum can't kill anyone tonight.

My intrigue level is now over 9000 when it comes to who is lynched and how he chooses who gets the book. Interesting.

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@fresh - you are assuming we have only 1 dude lynched today. we need that to happen - if 2 die then scum can kill.

Mathematically this absolutely cannot happen.

Either 1 gets lynched or all 3. One of them has to fuck another which saves them. Guaranteed 1 or 3 die.

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So our stuff doesn't change so I see how quickly easy it is to re-pair up with the same person. Keeping that out there as a tiebreaker for if I have a mixed read on a slot.

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If that's the case then we'll all come back next week.

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Already let the Mods know but Fri-Sun I'll be V/LA in case ya'll were looking for me.

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The mod did say 24 hours so honestly that's on Snarky for not paying attention. But it definitely makes Kuroi my strongest scum read presently.

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How convenient for Snarky to return after the Gods come back...

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But I'm going to

play to win

and have fun

I think your move today was play to survive.

I was in the same boat as Snarky, didn't get to say yes or no in 24 hours time. Half this group looks scummy because you're all filling the thread with negative shit about your opinion of if the game is broken instead of playing the game. Just play.

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Hey all, I'm like 6 or so pages to catch up on which I hope to do by tonight/tomorrow. But apparently shit has hit the fan.

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Taking notes for myself...

Spoiler: page 25 & 26 thoughts.

Shos needs to live.

Dram with the get kinky which would have lynched Rach/All In if not for the say no mechanic introduced AND THEN says way to fuck it up guys absolutely rubs me the wrong way.

MoI goes meta on Snarky...

Podo brings up a good point about Rach now that I understand the mechanic better. It would be overpowered scum for her to get it on with anyone even with the introduction of the no mechanic. Plus in my private convo with Jaqen he brings up a point that also convinces me to town-read her more.

Gork in 631-634 I feel the same way as you. I assumed at first it was a total scum role completely ignoring the player in that role. And I'm concerned town-reading it but I still am.

Kuroi asking for tips to not scum-read him. LOL

@MoI, I didn't need to. There's no actual correlation between avoiding the thread and posting other places vs. avoiding the thread and the site. That's stupid and I hate it.

Gork is definitely the most town player here.

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Spoiler: page 27 & 28 thoughts

652: Ask in a different thread not during an active game with the people you're playing with.

Super Kuroi scum-read because basically hijacking the thread during this discussion and taking it off the task of finding scum this game.

GORK nails what I said after I typed it...I should just read longer before typing.

Bad pots by Jaqen in 662. It's pretty much clear she can pair with anyone by now.

-Rach claim because she didn't know people were gonna say no later on...Yeah she's town. As for AllIn I don't know but I feel like Rach for now needs to be alive as a player scum can't insta-hook up with at the start of a day.

Jaqen asking to be lynched.

In 683: How is All-In confirmed?

If Jaqen has a PR he did not say anything to me about it in either of our hook-up conversations day 1 or today. However he was having a discussion with me about confirmations already having to do with our mechanics and because of this I really need to compare conversations and determine if there is more to this or if its a super elaborate fake-claim.

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Spoiler: page 29-now thoughts

Day cop unlikely but some modified role looking into pairs I kinda do not not believe.

I've seen Jaqen go all fucking out before as scum to bury himself to better the team so that is my response to Gork in 706.

@Podo in 717 I wouldn't have said this sentence until AFTER she potentially sniped you. Basically telling her to wait if she's a scum role trying to look town.

@Dram. I'm a cop.

MoI comes back with something to consider...but I still like booking/cucking Kuroi-Snarky for being scum/useless. So to follow up to 727 we bond those two and cuck them the next day to keep the perms lower as you suggest.

DGB comes back with scummy posts...

@Jaqen, if your role is actually true, the bonding of DGB/MoI makes more sense now and perhaps I should consider this. But I am still unsure.

Wish Dram wasn't leaving. I can speak in Jaqen.

Comment: Many mod questions during the whole game thread. Pretty sure in the rules it says Mods will only answer through PM. So stop it.

@podo I'm kinda actually for killing Dram. I have a mid-level scumread on him and IF he's town he'll make the right decision with the book. I don't trust the slot.

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Be back later tonight for any questions about my thoughts and beyond.

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Half a day later...

We should give thoughts here on who is left.

I think:
Rach should pair with Gork
Shos with Podo or vice versa.

Pine the new Dram lynched and gives the book to either Kuroi/Snarky or MoI/DGB. Book needs to be in play so no one gets nightkilled and we base our decisions tomorrow from who gets booked.

I think others should give an opinion similar to this over the next day or two before Rach gets kinky.

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I'd of rather still seen Pine cucked. Especially if that slot didn't follow the plan proposed. Podo posting like town. Could of at least maybe nailed a scummer...

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AllIn can't be lynched...................

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Skimming, trusting,

get kinky wit: Pine

I'm under the assumption that this basically doesn't exist as anyone who is in the second chance world doesn't get their second chance yet until the Mods confirm Rach/? with Gork.

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Should we, you know, claim turn-offs or something to confirm that anyone can get it on with eachother? The only confirmed pair in the three of us is Pine > me.

Also, how exactly do we want to do this in the first place? This is our lynch mechanic, so town should have control of it.

Could we all vote on who we want to be left out? I'm fine being the lynch today, but if town wants to leave out someone else, then we should do that.

I vote Pine is left out.

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It doesn't. But before the "say no" mechanic it was hard to imagine them as town roles. Though now with two of them I'd wonder.

I still say don't cuck shos or podo. Do Pine.

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how do you 1v1 in this kind of game?

I appreciate your activity. But are you actively reading the posts from the thread or waiting for us to tell you everything?

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Here's how it works.

IF scum is in the MoI/DGB pairing as Jaqen claims, and we use the book of love on them they become permanent.

Tomorrow we strand them. If they ask to get kinky with someone that person just says no.

When they're the last person left, they get lynched. Thus killing 1 town and 1 scum.

Does that answer your question?

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ALSO, if MoI/DGB does in fact ask to get kinky with someone and they allow it to occur, its essentially a scum-claim by that person.

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If they ask to get kinky with someone that person just says no.

I was not asked yes or no.

Like Podo said...read.

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I for one don't think that slot is town so I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't...

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If either Kuroi or Snarky pairs with anyone else, say no. Let them re-pair and Jaqen investigate it.

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I actually don't think he's lying. He'd been crumbing his claim from early on in his arrival which is pretty tough to sub into a game and immediately make up an elaborate idea. Smart too but I'm gonna side with belief for the moment. Oh the crumbing thing comes from our discussion in our PT from being lovers in previous days.

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I'm ok with partnering with Jaqen if no one has objections. But I'll wait first and see.

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Good morning inactivity...

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Here's some perspective for a man.

The easiest way to strand MoI/DGB as planned is if we make the same pairs that we already know work. I'm completely FOR switching it up BUT if a failure happens in the process we need to fix it to make sure the one who should be stranded is stranded.

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Here's what should be happening.

Kuroi pairing with Snarky. A no from Snarky is essentially a scum-claim in my eyes.

After said pairing. Jaqen uses his cop and reveals us his info. Anything other than that is a scum-claim.

We strand MoI/DGB. If they both flip town, Jaqen is scum and 1 of Rach/Fire is likely also scum.

Anything other than this set of things happening and you're essentially trying to fuck up the game for us.

Because if we follow this plan. We get info. Regardless if goes good for town today or bad for town today we still have direction. And with the no/separation mechanic we have some semblance of control of the game (until the mod throws their next wrench).

To summarize:

Don't fuck up the game for us.

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Lets say pairings go:

RachFire/Gork
Kuroi/Snark
Fresh/Jaqen
Shos/Podo

Someone gets booked from these four and there's again no night kill. I propose the following below:

If Jaqen is claims there is scum in Kuroi/Snarky, we book them. Once revealed that Jaqen's cop is valid, we follow the same plan tomorrow that we did today. This is easy to do if he's truthful. The difficult part comes from if he's lying.

My strategy would be to book the two of us together. I'll go down with the ship I don't give a shit. What it means is that RachFire is NOT confirmed town and thus binding them would be absolutely terrible. Jaqen would thus need to auto-die tomorrow with me dying as well.

An alternative would be to book Shos/Podo and strand Jaqen tomorrow again IF he's lying. I of course like this because I get to live but hopefully you'll see that I really don't care so long as it benefits what's right for town.

But Rach being booked again should be absolutely avoided at all costs. Seeing that occur may be another inclination that there's scum in that pairing.

I've spilled all my thoughts on the table.

Jaqen, this is on you now. I don't want the risk of failures happening when we know pairs work and we can guarantee a stranding of MoI/DGB to see this to fruition. Come bang me son.

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Oh and I'm super sorry if all that came across as control-freak. It just seems the only logical path to take.

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He claims to have a voyeur type role. Once you're coupled he can cop the pair of you. He gets told how many scum if any but say there's 1, it doesn't tell him which person. That's what I've gathered.

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A man doesn't agree with his investigation being premandated for the exact reasons he is already setting forth. But, so be it.

I respect that. In return, this strategy does wonders toward keeping the day starting at an odd number and keeping you alive to continually use said ability.

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Now here's the hard part of my strategy. MoI/DGB has the book. does it come down to which one of them uses the book first? Because the scum one (assuming that's true) may purposely throw a wrench into the gears. When we get Jaqen's result we will definitely need to discuss that. I recommend Shos and Podo waiting a couple days before hooking up so we can talk about that.

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A man has all the attention centered on him. Now he has the control of the game.

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I need a little time to think about this. Basically its possible results are fucked with since the role became public knowledge before the day started. However I feel like drifting from the plan we made for a whole day is scum attempting to change a plan that was pro-town.

So yea. I need some time to think.

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In the event that Jaqen's result WAS fucked with, it likely wasn't fucked with before today. I still think the ultimate test of first result is to cuck MoI/DGB.

RachFire/Gork
Kuroi/Snarky
Fresh/Jaqen
Shos/Podo

If we book Kuroi/Snark, then we have 7 players

RachFire
KuroSnar
Gork
Fresh
Jaqen
Shos
Podo

We pair like this:

RachFire/Gork
KuroiSnar/Jaqen
Shos/Podo

You kill me and I book Jaqen to KuroSnar

That would make:

RachFire
Gork
KuroSnarJaqen
Shos
Podo.

Pair as: Rachfire/Gork and Shos/Podo

Then you strand KuroSnarJaqen, if the game isn't over yet and there's scum in that trio, If they book shos/podo you strand them. If they book RachFire to Gork then its a crap shoot between shos and podo as final scum.

Thoughts?

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However I feel like drifting from the plan we made for a whole day is scum attempting to change a plan that was pro-town.

fresh i want you to talk more about this btw.
and i want you to be direct about who you thought was pushing this/where you thought this was happening specifically.

It was this:

A man is seeing 2 scum in Snark/Kuroi!

Alright, so whether or not Jaqen is telling the truth, we now have another worthwhile play. We can kill Kuroi today. Have Snarky split, and we cuck Kuroi. If Kuroi flips town, we get the same result, but we get to KEEP MoI and DGB.

The downside to this is that if we assume Jaqen is telling the truth, and we kill DGB/MoI, it's possible that they book Kuroi/Snarky, and we get to kill them together, but if there is one scum in DGB/MoI, we might not be able to control the book in the case of their deaths regardless.

At the very least, I want opinions on this from Snarky, MoI, DGB, Jaqen. We have over a week.

If shos, Magna, DGB, Snarky, or I take any actions before significant discussion on this topic, and town reaching a decision on the matter, they are scum claiming.

Gorkington, I love you. As long as Fresh will join us on this, and we can appropriately finagle couples, this seems to be the best way. We need Magna or DGB to be able to fuck Fresh, or vice versa.

I agree that it seems unlikely for scum to pair knowing that a town daycop is going to check them, so I doubt the game is solved, and at this point I'm thinking Jaqen is scum, but if I'm wrong, then we just win in two days.

Also Jaqen wasn't keen on the path but he's playing it off as more the "I'm only doing this because you guys made me" which isn't getting any sympathy whatsoever.

There's very little chance Jaqen's stuff was fucked with IF there is even that ability in the game before today's phase. Not impossible but highly improbable. So any suggestion to switch from this scenario is bullshit because we literally have the chance to catch scum one way or another. Either a scum dies in MoI/DGB or we know Jaqen is lying/scum.

So why suggest killing someone that isn't going to practically confirm us scum.

That's why I don't like Podo today.

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I think there is scum in Kuroi/Snarky but I don't know if I believe there's two. But after today I have a stronger scum read on Podo than Jaqen UNLESS we confirm Jaqen is lying.

Which we really need MoI/DGB to die today so we can know.

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There's very little chance Jaqen's stuff was fucked with IF there is even that ability in the game before today's phase. Not impossible but highly improbable.

but why????
like.
okay.
assume jaqen is town.
and his role is town.

how does scum deal with that ability?
because it essentially cleans out the playerlist by two people a day.
with no direct nightkill for scum to get rid of it.

why is it unlikely that scum would have something to compensate for that?

You're misreading.

I'm not suggesting there isn't an ability but we don't know about it.

And if there is, its improbable Jaqen was targeted before last night/today because his role wasn't public the first two times he used it.

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And this is all considering Jaqen is town. If we're testing his claim today by killing MoI/DGB and his claim then was a lie, all this shit is for naught.

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Activity post as we await results. Hi activity.

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The good news is if its like the other day phases we get to see their alignment before they use the book. That will help us tomorrow.

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But assuming all this is true, we doubt any results have been fucked with before today. If they were, then good job scum.

So if MoI/DGB were to flip both town, I'd take Jaqen a liar over his results being fucked with that early. Just my opinion.

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@Podo, yes it was scummy to not try and confirm scum. Which is what anything but killing DGB/MoI was gonna help us do.

But this also no longer confirms Rach/Fire have zero scum.

That's all for now. Back in more force after March Madness weekend. Barely in and out til then.

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@Podo, yes it was scummy to not try and confirm scum. Which is what anything but killing DGB/MoI was gonna help us do.

You were trying to confirm scum in Jaqen, correct? I was discussing the option of KILLING Jaqen, which would have confirmed his alignment one way or the other, and therefore confirmed the possible validity of his checks.

Listen, you are NOT the only person yesterday who wanted to forgo our other options, so I'm not stupid enough to scumread you for it. Town agreed to a plan, and you were one of many voices who contributed toward us following that plan, but you called me scummy for wanting to consider our other options (which would also confirm scum). THAT is what I have a problem with, and that's what I'm considering when I'm trying to find any more scum.

You are purposely neglecting that the course of action had the potential to obtain MULTIPLE clears not just the alignment of Jaqen.

I'm not blind to your point. But cucking him doesn't say shit about his results being true or false unless he's scum. Cucking them gave us multiple insights that:
Jaqen is likely scum
1 of Rach/Fire could likely be scum now.
Likely NOT two of Kuroi/Snark being scum.

But had we cucked Jaqen yesterday and he was indeed scum, it just wouldn't have told us anything else about anyone. We have a better mindset of narrowed down potential scum now and we just need to make the right decisions.

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Can we hold on for an extra day of the pairing til Fresh catches up?

Also, would it be appropriate to claim kinks/off limits this many days in coupled with the fact that pairings may change?

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Ok I'm caught up.

I actually agree with RachFire and Kuroi/Snark being hooked up IF all the scum are in those two pairings.

First off reads:

Town:
Rach
Gork

Not enough to form a solid town opinion but not scum in my eyes:
Shos

More scum than town but not completely a scum read:
Podo
Fire

Scum list:
Kuroi
Snarky
Jaqen

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Also, my kinks are Furries and Dom/Sub. My off limits are Rubberists.

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Also those are not in an order. If I were to list my towniest read, its Gork.

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Unless there are other objections, I'd only like to ask what we think the pairings should be. Stranding Jaqen means I need a new dance partner.

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So if Rach/Fire does me raw and Podo/Shos stay together, can one of Kuroi/Snarky fuck Gork and vice versa to make those pairs possible?

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And seriously...to those who don't get how this damn mechanic works by now, bah fucking humbug.

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I thought this was a game for people over 18...

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Seriously. Its hard to enjoy a game if people don't read the rules on how to play. Its not the job of the player to constantly remind someone how its done. Perhaps Fire was at a disadvantage for subbing in but even as a sub you have to do the legwork to determine what you're walking into.

But the give-up schtick doesn't affect me. I've see both town-butthurt and scum-butthurt in games here. Not an alignment indicative trait IMO.

gl Fire and feel better.

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Aside from that, there wasn't any activity for an entire 24 hours (myself included). So what are we doing here?

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I claimed my kinks and stuff on the last page. So it should be public knowledge if you can bang me.

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If the book doesn't get used, the pairings don't matter.

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If Rach can get kinky with anyone, then regardless of her choosing Snarky/Kuroi it should work.

Jaqen coming in like that is definitely a scum move.

Lets wait this out the 24 hours to see who snark is gonna end up being paired with and what the failed pool (if as many) looks like and go from there.

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The two players get treated as one slot. So I don't see how it couldn't work vs your suggestion of the player list because there are separate slots.

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Did we already establish that Gork can't fuck Shos? If so sorry for skimming. But just saying Gork can re-hook up with Shos before second chance if the kinks and such allow.

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@Jaqen.

When did I ever not understand the mechanic?

Shos asked to fuck Gork.

Gork hasn't asked yet. I asked if we knew IF Gork could fuck Shos. Not if it happened.

I hope everyone realizes any post Jaqen makes is wasted space from here on out if this wasn't already realized. All the scum.

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A man shouldn't think he knows how things work when he says others don't who actually do...

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Gork, you could still also just say no and send Jaqen to the failed pile now...it still doesn't go to second chance until you would make your ask.

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Gork, the first scummy thing you could do all day is let Jaqen be paired with you.

Even IF you can instant break up doesn't MEAN you will.

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Oh fuck.

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So if they don't break up in 21 hours, Shos gets cucked.

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I don't really give a shit what you think of me but I know Jaqen needs cucked.

Answer me this. I know Jaqen's stuff from our previous days being a pair. He told me that his off limits were s&m, exhibition, and buttsex. His kinks are furries, dom/sub/ rubberists.

So IF he was telling me the truth, can he partner with you?

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I went back to the old PT to get that info. Locked but still readable.

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Obviously I don't know if he was telling me the truth.

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Does anyone understand the fail column?

Gork isn't there because he didn't ask. Saying no doesn't put you there. ASKING AND FAILING OR ASKING AND GETTING TOLD NO DOES.

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Well shit there's that. And I'll keep my mouth shut.

Podo, should they not break their couple up before the 24 hours, do we want to break us up?

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Less than 10 hours left if they're gonna break their pair up. Just putting that out there.

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A man really likes you man. You know that, but from where does this 24 hour to break up thing come?

I like you too man. But since you wanted to bust my balls about rules...

*NEW*

Beginning Day 2 this rule at the end of Post #529 was implemented. You all now have the ability to Say No to Getting Kinky! If someone asks you to Get Kinky, you have the ability to Just Say No. Simply quote the offender asking you and post, in bold,

No, Just Sayin'

and that person will FAIL. You only get the ability to Say No once per day phase. Remember that incompatible kinks still fail as well. We'll give at least a 24 hour lag time between someone asking before posting the result.

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The mistake that I admittedly made is that Gork already said no once. So he can't again. But ASSUMING there's still the lag time in play that allows Rach's pair or my pair to break up before your pair becomes official.

So since your post to hook up was at 4:25am EST, that leaves break-up time still.

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Its past the 24 hour grace window? Now we wait I guess unless something was done in private...

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The following is assuming the day is about to end. If there was a PT split up or Jaqen fails, ignore this.

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We've pretty much established that the town thing to do is to use the book because if its not used, scum control a kill.

If we are stuck like this:

Fresh/Podo
Jaqen/Gork
RachFire/KuroiSnark

I want to give my opinion on what to do and how this could play out. I'd ask Shos to book the quad together and I'll explain why.

There almost has to be 1-2 scum in that quad if Shos is town. The next day phase would start with the Quad, Fresh, Podo, Gork, and Jaqen. The goal would be obviously to strand Jaqen and I would suggest these pairings.

Fresh/Podo
Gork/the quad.

I still believe Gork to be town so I don't want to be paired with Gork in the event Jaqen is stranded and scum get a kill. I picked these pairings out because of the following scenarios that could come from it:

Leaving these four slots separate: Fresh, Podo, Gork, Quad.

If scum kills the quad, then the only way the game ends is if both Podo and Gork are scum, something which I do not believe.

If scum kills anyone else, I believe there are too many players alive for the game to end and thus go with the following:
If Gork is killed, Podo and I pair, we strand the quad and town wins unless Podo is scum.
If Podo is killed, Gork and I pair, we strand the quad and town wins unless Gork is scum.
If I am killed, Podo and Gork pair, we strand the quad, and town wins unless one of them is scum.

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To reiterate, this is only a suggested plan IF the day is over and IF Shos is town. But given those things, this is a plan that I believe can work.

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I imagine it will all be addressed post-game regardless of who wins. But yay for now!

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well that was an interesting twist, I guess he did not want to make someone permanent and instead use it to kill someone

Of course it would be Gork

So now do we cuck snarky and kuroi?

I felt like this was EXACTLY what was going to happen when scum got killed.

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To cuck them, we know that Shos can request Podo, we know that Podo can request me, and we know that you can request anyone. So it shouldn't be hard to pair all of us in that way to do that.

That being said, as long as everyone is active and someone can say no quickly enough to Kuroi/Snarky in the 24hr window, there's not a need to rush that.

I'm up for this strategy (cucking K/S). But as I said to Podo in our PT, I have plenty of reason to be suspicious of you Rach. Your group was cleared by scum AND I noticed that Jaqen's role had no kinks which interestingly you don't have (or its you don't have off limits). Regardless of which one it is, it certainly looks like a possible scum role seeing Jaqen's flip.

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I didn't predict the broken part. Just that it wouldn't get used and scum would kill. That was the mega-obvious part.

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IMPORTANT THING!

The book is broken. So in the event that there are two scums left, this is essentially a LYLO because they are killing now to keep the numbers odd.

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You can't cuck Snarky without being cucked yourself. And what you just did is the precise opposite of cucking Snarky.

EVERYDAY THERE'S SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T GET WHAT'S GOING ON.

Pouring scotch now.

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Now I know that most people are failing with Rach but the fucking stupidness of this is that I'm gonna have to say no to Podo before tomorrow afternoon if Rach doesn't get on and say no to this. Damnit.

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I'll be on in the morning briefly but make sure I'm available close to the cutoff time if Rach doesn't show.

Podo your plan is good. The only problem is if Rach is in fact scum. Otherwise its good.

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Lets hope for none of that since she was talking about cucking them anyway and just get on.

HEY RACH, GET ON AND SAY NO

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And now I guess we wait...

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I was freaking out about having to be online this afternoon because a thing came up. Thankfully you returned.

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Depends. When did you ask to be unreplaced?

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I miss Gork. He was literally my only strong town read in this entire game.

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I'm assuming it has to do with what was brought up in the thread with people going vs. not going into the failed area but I also would like to see that elaborated on.

Loved the game. Would definitely pre-in if I am PM-reminded when its happening because I basically gave up on this site but came back for this because T-Bone is the man.

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Would you please explain the Jaqen situation?

Haha. Dick eating werewolves.

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My favorite character is The Dragonboned, so I appreciate that he is still alive for the next game.

I am the dragonboned.

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I think the point was to provide feedback on the successes and flaws of the game. Not to continue bickering once that was accomplished.

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Jaqen I like you man. You made your point already. We're all adults (18+ right?) I don't care if you say I WON THIS GAME. Or if anyone does for that matter. Let's end it.

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