Open 675: Pick Your Power X/Y (Game Over!)

[Prince Lyon]

VOTE: PenguinPower

[Prince Lyon]

Can we just lynch cloudkicker tomorrow if this flips scum

[Prince Lyon]

VOTE: nancy

Sorry if this is town titus ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Prince Lyon]

I think that PP is scum regardless but I don't think that roleblocker claims neighbourizer here.

[Prince Lyon]

That not neighbourizing N1 is sketch as fuck though

[Prince Lyon]

not if they're not a neighbourizer and are looking for a claim to get out of getting lynched as roleblocker

[Prince Lyon]

The point of neighbourizing people is to sort them. Not neighbourizing N1 means you can't sort anyone in the hood.

[Prince Lyon]

Actually, why can't PP be the roleblocker who used his partners PR to claim?

this. nancy lynch is always good but PP is still scum.

[Prince Lyon]

If he's scum then he's planning to fakeclaim a neighbourize on the neighbourizer if he claims one at all.

If he's scum with nancy I would expect some sort of desperate gamble here.

[Prince Lyon]

Assuming he's rber. he might just be scum neighbourizer

[Prince Lyon]

No scumteam would have their first pick grab neighbourizer though. not neighbourizer before roleblocker certainly

[Prince Lyon]

If Penguin is scum there are scum before him in the pick order.

[Prince Lyon]

zzz

[Prince Lyon]

role cop is a believable first pick fmpov if the preceding picks are town

[Prince Lyon]

nancy I really don't want to mislynch you here after you've put in this much effort but I just really can't see your slot as town.

Give me something please?

[Prince Lyon]

gbt you think he would actually have no targeted as town?

[Prince Lyon]

Dunn what are your reads?

[Prince Lyon]

I don't really have the heart to lynch nancy atm and I don't want to lynch Titus because I think she's town.

Do you think spade might be scum?

[Prince Lyon]

I mostly townread the early claim but if there's some sort of weird shenanigans among scum regarding their fakeclaims then the early claim would make sense

[Prince Lyon]

I am not going to leave KTS alive tomorrow and risk them getting a vig shot off

can we just lynch them

[Prince Lyon]

I am not going to leave KTS alive tomorrow and risk them getting a vig shot off

can we just lynch them

he has to be town with that claim

why does he have to be town with that claim

why would town kts claim vig and risk himself getting roleblocked

i feel like he was going to let himself get leashed to a bad shot and try to get towncred for it.

[Prince Lyon]

I am not going to leave KTS alive tomorrow and risk them getting a vig shot off

can we just lynch them

um no thanks

is it because you know im shooting you

if i was scum and thought you were shooting me I would just have you roleblocked

you claimed vig. if you are town and have scum in your sights you are just getting roleblocked.

there was 0 reason for you to ever claim

[Prince Lyon]

Also scum KTS gets away with vigging me and saying whoops thought that was scum way too easily

[Prince Lyon]

he was in consideration for being lynched today and claimed his PR to avoid being in the doc/roleblocker pool and avoid getting lynched. i don't see the townread for it.

[Prince Lyon]

I don't want to lynch nancy atm but I don't really see who else to lynch.

[Prince Lyon]

don't really want to lynch him either lol

I feel like this is just going to be a scum sweep

[Prince Lyon]

i mean idk i look at the list of names and i just don't want to lynch anyone

[Prince Lyon]

Titus titus
Dunnstral no
schadd_ maybe but no
gigabyteTroubadour not ever
PenguinPower yes
Killthestory ehh yeah
davesaz nah
nancy
bangthemafia nah
Spade_Ace maybe
Cloudkicker zzz
Prince Lyon

[Prince Lyon]

VOTE: Spade_Ace

I feel like I have to be wrong on one of my townreads and this is the weakest one.

[Prince Lyon]

PP/Kts/nancy or some variant is still possible but not knowing whether or not PP is actually neighbourizer makes him a shit lynch.
It's not entirely an in-game thing but I don't want to lynch nancy atm. Alban was shit but I don't think that nancy is necessarily scum and I really don't want to lynch them today.

[Prince Lyon]

If you get a wagon back on PP I will vote it again.

[Prince Lyon]

This game is really depressing me tbh. I wish my trs would stop fighting but at the same time i feel like i'm wrong on some of them but I just don't feel it.
Can we not let tomorrow turn into a deadline clusterfuck and actually figure something out before deadline tomorrow

[Prince Lyon]

I've had a shitty day irl too and it's kind of just ugh.

[Prince Lyon]

their play's been bad but at the same time they've done several things that I really don't see coming from scum

[Prince Lyon]

i feel like penguin's still the roleblocker and that the real neighborizer is a different scum and that some sort of gambit is going on.

[Prince Lyon]

VOTE: penguin

[Prince Lyon]

zzzzz

[Prince Lyon]

I think he's roleswapping with the actual neighbourizer who most likely ended up doing something gambity like planning to claim they neighbourized dead.

[Prince Lyon]

I don't like any of the other lynches today and I still think that they're scum so.

[Prince Lyon]

I'm not lynching nancy today.

[Prince Lyon]

I want to let nancy have more than half a day phase to play the game regardless of alignment.
If I were still 100% certain that she was scum I'd be ok with it but I'm not and I'm really not feeling a nancy lynch right now.

[Prince Lyon]

{pl, gbt, titus, nancy}

I will compromise on anyone who isn't in that pool if you guys can find something you agree on

[Prince Lyon]

really really.

[Prince Lyon]

you mean gbt?

[Prince Lyon]

nancy are you here?

[Prince Lyon]

I did a whole bunch of review on their meta when they wanted to push them as scum and I found that their scum play was kind of weak in general
she doesn't hold up well under scrutiny she can't fake emotional investment well she comes across as flitting from wagon to wagon and not really scumhunting
this doesn't feel like that to me and I strongly gutread her as town from the amount of times that we've been basically thinking the same thing at the same time and I think we read people similarly in general as town
so fairly confident that she's town, yes.

[Prince Lyon]

like their play doesn't add up at all. I feel like if a super early pick takes neighbourizer they picked it because there was someone they wanted to neighbourize.

I really don't grok someone CHOOSING neighbourizer as a role and then not ending up wanting to use it. it feels wrong

[Prince Lyon]

i also really don't like how easily everyone's just writing it off because that feels incredibly wrong to me.

sure they're 'confirmable' but I feel like this ends in night after night of them claiming roleblocked and not getting a result whether they're town or scum so

[Prince Lyon]

Also confirming titus works with literally any visiting action and dunnstral already volunteered

[Prince Lyon]

in no universe where nancy is scum is she going to be lynched with the votes as they are

[Prince Lyon]

he can claim neither of those things for the love of annie

[Prince Lyon]

Pl, who do you want me to track. Pick at least 2 names.

this would not be helpful because it tells scum who to send and not send

[Prince Lyon]

just track penguin imo

[Prince Lyon]

I want them lynched but no one's voting them so

[Prince Lyon]

I feel like wagons are tvt and scum are just trying to keep the wagon off PP atm

[Prince Lyon]

I feel like wagons are tvt and scum are just trying to keep the wagon off PP atm

PP is town too. I saw wagons + deadline + my reads and yeah.

we agree spade is probtown. we fully disagree on pp and I have doubts about nancy. spade is the worst lynch.

come vote pp

[Prince Lyon]

Yes because lynching a potential town neighbourizer is going to swing the tables and make the game unwinnable.

[Prince Lyon]

that's

[Prince Lyon]

Neighbourizer attached to 88 posts...

[Prince Lyon]

if we all vote pp we can lynch scum today

[Prince Lyon]

We cannot lynch anyone in that pile right now

[Prince Lyon]

yeah transcend was scum.

[Prince Lyon]

Penguin if you say anything about your action before Titus gets a chance to speak I'm autolynching you.

Titus, if you weren't roleblocked what was your result on PP?

[Prince Lyon]

If Titus is town and Penguin isn't (which is the assumption) Penguin can claim their action early and prevent Titus from revealing anything about whether she tracked.

[Prince Lyon]

VOTE: PenguinPower

PP/Cloud/?

[Prince Lyon]

UNVOTE:

That makes sense actually.

[Prince Lyon]

I don't care

what

alignment you are if you quickhammer town to prevent a scum lynch.

[Prince Lyon]

Titus didn't track me.

Yes i did.

Who did I neighborize then?

I am wanting PP to claim first to see if we get a two fer. I claimed I tracked him. He knows what I know.

claim please.

[Prince Lyon]

Titus if you are town and they are scum they already know what your result on them is and they will either claim accordingly or force a 1v1. There is no benefit to town in you not outing.

If you prove yourself as tracker then it makes this game a lot easier.

[Prince Lyon]

Titus if you weren't roleblocked they already know what's up he's not going to have a scumbuddy claim on his behalf just to get you lynched.

[Prince Lyon]

Wait Titus?

Did you get 'no result' or 'PP has visited no one.'

[Prince Lyon]

Dunn are you watcher?

[Prince Lyon]

Fair enough.
I thought you were softing Watcher and blatantly so: if scum wanted to kill Schadd I don't think there's any chance that they would blow a roleblock on a neighbourizer claim.

[Prince Lyon]

Or PP is going to claim that they didn't target at all lol.

[Prince Lyon]

No, I think that PP didn't act because they are scum and not actually a neighbourizer.

[Prince Lyon]

Obviously if someone was in fact neighbourized I'll powerlynch Titus and take the two for one if it comes to it but PP is just scum here I think.

[Prince Lyon]

VOTE: Penguin

This should have been yesterdays lynch.

[Prince Lyon]

It also makes sense if Penguin is scum. It was a forced kill.

This is what I was thinking.

I don't think scum wanted to kill Schadd because basically all he was doing was calling me scum and voting on other town.
It makes complete sense if Penguin is roleblocker though. He doesn't act, claims roleblocked, Titus isn't confirmed and there's no roleblocker CC.
Like this is by far the optimal play for Penguin scum and it's a pretty shitty play for any combination where Penguin is town.

[Prince Lyon]

It was a forced kill.

No it wasn't

he claimed cop and wasn't really suspected

They had a roleblocker though. If they sit and roleblock Schadd it never becomes confirmed whether or not a roleblocker exists and Schadd is still a potential lynch.
I really feel like that kill happened because scum didn't have the option to roleblock anyone else.

[Prince Lyon]

If they sit and roleblock Schadd

Then we know schadd was roleblocked, and not anyone else

Which causes troubles if penguinpower isn't actually neighborizor

Which is my point. They didn't have the option of roleblocking him.

[Prince Lyon]

Still has to claim a neighbourzied then

[Prince Lyon]

yeah don't call vivian a catfish that's pretty unnecessary.

also why is PP still alive

[Prince Lyon]

nancy I didn't lynch you so that you could actually do things. go actually do things.

[Prince Lyon]

It's not even that I townread her I just wasn't happy about the idea of lynching her her after she only had a day phase to play.
If she's scum Penguin is autoinclude as scum. Bang would probably be town because that defense felt genuine on D1 and distinctly not SvS.

Last scum is probably in {KTS/Dunn/Cloud} of which KTS would be the obvious one.

[Prince Lyon]

Vote Count 2.13

Spade_Ace (7):

schadd_, Killthestory, nancy, PenguinPower, bangthemafia, Titus, Cloudkicker

PenguinPower (4):

Dunnstral, Prince Lyon, gigabyteTroubadour, Spade_Ace

nancy (1):

davesaz

Not Voting (0):

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day ends in (expired on 2017-03-18 19:31:00).

I want to draw everyone's attention to this votecount.
I am near 100% positive that gigabyte is town. I am town. Spade_Ace is confirmed town. I townread Dunnstral and Giga is near 100% sure that they are town.
Davesaz can go either way but I think that he's town and it serves my narrative so we'll put it down as that.

Literally every single scum in the game was on the Spade_Ace wagon. Do you think that scum would have felt the need to jackhammer a VT if the competing wagon was town?
Like the crazy push on Spade didn't happen in reaction to the nancy wagon it happened in reactino to the Penguin wagon. Scum don't want Penguin wagoned.

And let's be real if Penguin was town scum would be jumping all over the opportunity to lynch him if they took the time to RB and abuse his lack of N1 action.

This is the roleblocker. If Titus claimed roleblocked Penguin has to claim a neighbourize; so Titus couldn't be roleblocked which means that Penguin had to not act.
That left them killing Schadd because they couldn't RB him. like I still think the odds of a nancy scumflip are good but Penguin is roleblocker here >90% of the time.

There's no other narrative that makes sense here.

[Prince Lyon]

Like I don't do VCA but in a game where scum are obviously not bussing it doesn't take a genius to figure out what that end of day means.

Penguin is scum and {KTS, nancy, btm, titus, cloud} contains the remaining 3 scum 100% of the time here with the longshot of Davesaz.

[Prince Lyon]

Except that I'm town and Dunn's town too =]

[Prince Lyon]

I trust GBT's judgement on Dunn and I also don't think he's at all like he was in FG's micro.

[Prince Lyon]

It doesn't take competence it just takes a simple risk assessment
Do we let Penguin get guiltied? no. Do we let the cop get a result? even though it's probably on PL who isn't getting lynched anyway. Locked to a set of actions.
It's possible that some other scum faction made terrible night actions and risked getting watched to Schadd for no reason (unless they themselves have the watcher) but 2 scum PRs are already locked.

I am pretty close to positive Giga is town and won't be voting there. Penguin needs to die.

[Prince Lyon]

You're forgetting the part where the night actions involve killing the cop without being able to roleblock the suspected watcher.

[Prince Lyon]

No.
Watcher. Not tracker.

[Prince Lyon]

Also you were basically leashed onto Penguin anyway so your night action was predicted.

[Prince Lyon]

No one was roleblocked.
Okay we're going to play a game here. Everyone in their next post is either going to make a detailed case for why they voted Spade and not Penguin and why they're still not voting Penguin or they vote Penguin.

[Prince Lyon]

Davesaz I am not really concerned with what you have to discuss. Penguin is getting lynched today. You could be cop with a guilty and I'd still lynch PP today.

[Prince Lyon]

Dave. You aren't getting nightkilled and let's keep it it that way. If you think nancy is scum then PP is the most obvious choice of partner in the game. Vote them.

[Prince Lyon]

We lynch the roleblocker today, we get to leash KTS's slot and autolynch him if it doesn't go off as intended and get a free mislynch from it.
If we lynch someone who is NOT the roleblocker today then Town!KTS will just get roleblocked either way and Scum!KTS gets to roleblock Titus if he's leashed onto town or do nothing if not.

If you think nancy is scum, and PP is the most obvious choice of partner, than vote nancy. If nancy is scum, lynch PP.

Because you're the roleblocker and you need dead.
I am going to recommend leashing KTS onto Cloud because regardless of alignment quickhammering a townread to defend the roleblocker is policy vig worthy and I'm starting to think he's scum.

[Prince Lyon]

I don't see a way for there to be 3 scum in a universe where you're not scum.

Unless it's like KTS/nancy/like Dunnstral? Or Titus would have to be scum but I doubt that.

[Prince Lyon]

Titus why are you townreading Penguin?

[Prince Lyon]

I feel like nancy's just given up.
I think KTS/nancy/PP is more likely than KTS/nancy/Titus but I think it's definitely that block of people.

I'm good with lynching PP, vig nancy, see where we go from there?

Also KTS if you shoot anyone besides nancy it will be interpreted as a scumclaim

[Prince Lyon]

I thought Transcend was town idk Cloud's quickhammer on Spade just sketches me the fuck out.

[Prince Lyon]

Err than PP/nancy/Titus.

[Prince Lyon]

Dunno. Probably one of Titus and nancy/bang. I think Nancy.

Gut says scum grabbed role cop and role blocker, and set me up once I outed.

the question is whether you think he'd call out both his partners here

[Prince Lyon]

Penguin what do you want me to engage you on?

[Prince Lyon]

zzz

[Prince Lyon]

i hard townread the fuck out of giga, dun i think towntold a tons today, beyond what i would expect from scum

Ok but what is your point?

Do you not think that Penguin is roleblocker? Do you not think they're scum in general? If not, who?

[Prince Lyon]

nancy isn't the fucking roleblocker and that's obvious to anyone

[Prince Lyon]

THAT IS WHY WE ARE LYNCHING PENGUIN. IN NO UNIVERSE IS NANCY THE RB HERE.

[Prince Lyon]

What if Transcend replaced out for some reason other than boredom?

[Prince Lyon]

Giga, ive been one, if not the few, sole defender of the spade slot since i replaced in. You dont believe me? then please iso me and consider how everyone did scumread the slot and i called him hard since since the start. I am a vastly superior scum player than contradicting myself outright

And you quickhammered them, presumably to defend your scumbuddy.

[Prince Lyon]

Also your townread on Spade was something I had from day 1. you cannot call yourself the sole defender when I have been saying the dude is town since the start of the game.

[Prince Lyon]

What if there's no neighbourizzer

[Prince Lyon]

What if there's no neighbourizzer

cloud has to be scum for that to be true

that's what I mean.

Penguin roleblocker Cloud neighbourizer/goon probably nancy goon being bussed.

[Prince Lyon]

you really think that this is my scumplay to quicklynch someone ive been hard townreading for 50 pages just to save my scumbuddy nobdy penguin who would get tracked the next daY? cmon

Do I think it's your townplay to shit all over two days of attempts to lynch Penguin and quickhammer Spade when we tried to lynch someone else?

[Prince Lyon]

Man I townread Transcend but Cloud's play today makes no sense at all

[Prince Lyon]

Call it gut. I don't really have any other way to word it.

[Prince Lyon]

both.

[Prince Lyon]

I would rather lynch you at this point.

[Prince Lyon]

Oh fuck you you think that if nancy flipped green we would be doing anything besides powerlynching your worthless ass?

[Prince Lyon]

VOTE: Cloudkicker

You've done enough this game.

[Prince Lyon]

No this isn't policying this is Cloud spending the entire game hard defending the roleblocker and expecting to be townread for it.

[Prince Lyon]

Vote me then. we're done here.

[Prince Lyon]

If you are town you are still more of a threat to town winning the game than any of the above people.

[Prince Lyon]

No if you're town you cost the game because you hammered the counterwagon to scum then continued to hard defend that scum and cried at me for scumreading you for it

[Prince Lyon]

I don't care. This isn't about the 'accidental' hammer this is about you trying to get the wagon off PP.

[Prince Lyon]

This is also about the fact that you're talking about the PP slot like you know it's going to flip scum, which it is, while simultaneously not voting them.

[Prince Lyon]

Giga, ive been one, if not the few, sole defender of the spade slot since i replaced in. You dont believe me? then please iso me and consider how everyone did scumread the slot and i called him hard since since the start. I am a vastly superior scum player than contradicting myself outright

Leon/Giga can we go nancy?

[Prince Lyon]

No you are trying to get the wagon OFF PP. And yes that's the fucking point. You said that PP was scum and then you continued to attempt to divert to nancy.


@Everyone else: Here's what I think the gamestate is. PP is roleblocker. nancy is goon. Cloud is neighbourizer. Transcend neighbourizes a scumpartner and then plans to generate a bunch of fake content when they add someone else. PP ends up role swapping to avoid the lynch on the roleblocker and they attempt to bus nancy for towncred. nancy doesn't pan out so they jump ship to spade. PP still keeps going so Cloud quickhammers to make sure that PP doesn't get lynched since they need the roleblocker alive. Now Cloud is on the fence about bussing and says he might then decides to go back to bussing nancy since they're a universal scumread and it keeps the roleblocker alive.

Titus is town through all of this and the designated lynch for after I get nightkilled.

[Prince Lyon]

and from your theory, penguin would have to be rb and i would be neihorizer/fruit vendor. why not lynch penguin and ask kts to vig me if it flips rb?

Because you are antagonzing me in a way that Penguin is not.

[Prince Lyon]

VOTE: Penguin

You can die.

[Prince Lyon]

Cloud don't join any future games with me.

[Prince Lyon]

I can't honestly say what you would or would not do as scum or town at this point so I am just going to ignore your slot. If this gets to PoE I am lynching you before my townreads.
If you're town then you can talk to GBT about anything that you want to get lynched / not lynched. Let's agree not to talk to each other for this game.

[Prince Lyon]

Okay whatever dude. Like I will cry no tears about a nancy lynch and on the whole I'm sorry we didn't just lynch it yesterday but I felt really shitty about how she got quicklynched in the newbie with me after she was trying so hard so I wanted to give her the opportunity to play. She is obviously not playing and it feels to me on the whole like she's given up this game: which only really makes sense if Penguin is a scumbuddy.

I don't feel like the interplay around her slot was that of a scum PR. I think the most likely situation is the one I outlined where Alban neighbourized one of his scumbuddies and then they ended up role swapping.
I understand that you scumread TItus and from the perspective that I'm trying to keep a Titus/nancy/RC scumteam alive to endgame my slot doesn't look great but I'm town and I'm still like 98% sure that Titus is.

Like, the absolute worst case scenario for you should be that nancy was actually the roleblocker and I'll answer for that if it comes to that but I don't think it will.
Getting the roleblocker gives us another mislynch or confirms KTS as scum and PP is my top pick for that slot. I am lynching them today.

[Prince Lyon]

FMPOV Penguin/nancy are basically locked and I 'think' the remaining scum is KTS but I'm not sure and that means that it's possible that last scum is in my townreads.
So I'm looking back at your slot and I don't like how much you've intentionally or unintentionally done to defend that slot and I am perfectly justified in scumreading you for that.

[Prince Lyon]

I agree that he roleswapped with either nancy of his other scumpartner. I think that he's the roleblocker on top of everything else because he's the first pick that could potentially be scum.

[Prince Lyon]

Like: what scumteam do you think nancy is on that Penguin isn't and that nancy is the roleblocker?

[Prince Lyon]

Titus what do you want to do?

[Prince Lyon]

Tomorrow is lylo though

[Prince Lyon]

We don't need to rush the day phase.

I want to give you time and even if nancy/PP are scum I want to get at least a readslist from them.

[Prince Lyon]

We are locking KTS to one shot in case they're scum. I want that shot to be whichever of nancy/PP that we don't lynch today.
Do you care to explain to me why Cloud is in the vigpool after a PP townflip but not after a scumflip?

[Prince Lyon]

I agree with nancy shot.

[Prince Lyon]

If nancy and pp are both town this game was a loss from day 1

It would have to be something ridiculous like GBT/Dunn/KTS.

[Prince Lyon]

Nah I think Titus is scum here before GBT is

[Prince Lyon]

depends whether we think the confirmed scum is the roleblocker or not.

[Prince Lyon]

wake me up when september ends

[Prince Lyon]

Double Annie Unlimited

[Prince Lyon]

You guys all came from em right

[Prince Lyon]

1) his guilty was obviously on nancy
2) you wouldn't have been nightkilled if you shut up and let us lynch Penguin

[Prince Lyon]

I was trying to rush this lynch through before scum caught onto Dave's softs but if he's outed anyway we can discuss things a bit longer

[Prince Lyon]

Yeah.

Sorry for bailing yesterday, that was really dumb. I just felt really shitty about the newbie

[Prince Lyon]

If Titus is scum she's not the roleblocker and scum has a confirmed roleblocker. There's no reason to lynch Titus without a scum roleblocker flip.

[Prince Lyon]

You're chopped liver tho

[Prince Lyon]

We couldn't have both died tonight but if you didn't trust me then I get it.

We force KTS to blow their shot on scum and it doesn't really matter and we have 7 way with 3 lynches and at least 3 obvious towns and the ability to confirm Titus as scum OR guarantee that she tracks scum. Roleblocker has to die and I think that it's Penguin.

[Prince Lyon]

Roleblocker has to die and I think that it's Penguin.

Holy shit. I cannot wait for this to be proven wrong.

If you end up town, I'll record myself eating a sock on youtube.

This does not specify your alignment so I'm going to be looking forward to this

[Prince Lyon]

nancy isn't the roleblocker though. nancy killed schadd. do you think that scum would have sent their roleblocker to kill the likely watch target?
also do you think that scum went neighbourizer first pick and roleblocker second pick?

[Prince Lyon]

new plan: PP is still the roleblocker

[Prince Lyon]

i'm like

almost 100% sure it's titus/nancy/pp

i buy this but still think KTS could replace Titus

there's a chance that BTM is scum here but I think PP is way, way more likely

[Prince Lyon]

no that's dumb cloudkicker. hitting the roleblocker means that we gain a mislynch via KTS's vig shot and can direct it wherever we want. we aim for RB today no matter what.

in fact with as many obvtowns as we have I advocate not lynching nancy until all other scum are dead

[Prince Lyon]

Cloud we outright lose a mislynch if we don't hit the roleblocker today. It's a horrible idea to lynch confirmed non roleblocker.

[Prince Lyon]

the roleblocker makes that useless

makes what useless? all of it at the same time? no....

if they block penguin again we get kts to shoot where we want

^ lyon thoughts?

Penguin isn't getting blocked. we lynch nancy we lose a mislynch and probably end up in a PP/KTS 1v1

[Prince Lyon]

idk why everyone's advocating not lynching scum to allow the scum to use their PRs.

nancy flips neighbourizer like she's 95% going to congratulations we just wasted a mislynch

[Prince Lyon]

we are not lynching anyone outside of Penguin unless someone can come up with a case as to why they are the roleblocker on a nancy team.

Penguin is the only slot I can see as roleblocker right now. They go.

[Prince Lyon]

Penguin isn't getting blocked. we lynch nancy we lose a mislynch and probably end up in a PP/KTS 1v1

right but titus has to claim a track, therefore verifying pp not going anywhere

we can handle a 1v1 situation with a ml

We don't have to be in this situation. We lynch roleblocker today, we vig nancy, 7 players 1 scum, Titus is a self-solving issue. lynching a non-RB is terrible here.

[Prince Lyon]

right but titus has to claim a track, therefore verifying pp not going anywhere

hold on this isn't as dumb as it sounds

You're not understanding. We're at evens right now.
By getting KTS's shot off on nancy we get the ability to lynch an extra player.
If we don't lynch the RBer today KTS claims rbed no matter what, period. and obviously they get rbed if they're town.
If someone thinks that someone besides Penguin is the roleblocker we can lynch there but lynching nancy is just dumb.

[Prince Lyon]

rc did you see how hard nancy is associated with titus ?

I do. I could also see it as nancy having deliberately played off Titus's misplaced townread to frame them.

If we lynch the roleblocker today Titus becomes a self resolving issue and you don't have to worry about my read there.

[Prince Lyon]

Note Penguin's feigned tone-deafness to the fact that we're trying to hit the roleblocker

[Prince Lyon]

I think Titus has just been having a rough game

[Prince Lyon]

pp/nancy/KTS feels right to me.

[Prince Lyon]

We are =]

[Prince Lyon]

nancy/titus/rc is my paranoia team

zzz

[Prince Lyon]

I think he's just trying to ate and if it doesn't work he'll probably selfhammer to cut off discussion

[Prince Lyon]

why not cut off rn?

Why would he selfhammer early when he can see if threatening to selfhammer will end the wagon on him?

[Prince Lyon]

Circumstances were different but she did the same to me once when we were scumbuddies because I was posting too much

[Prince Lyon]

Circumstances were different but she did the same to me once when we were scumbuddies because I was posting too much

what r implying here

I'm saying nothing because I think Titus is town but I'm remembering a very funny game where sadly Titus got force replaced because of my error

[Prince Lyon]

Titus is basically confirmed non roleblocker...?

[Prince Lyon]

you have got to be fucking kidding me

[Prince Lyon]

My biggest issue with bang as scum is I don't see why 2 scum would take the same number. Maybe it was a crazy wifom play but I really doubt it atm.

[Prince Lyon]

oh no is this going to be another grey thing

also i want to point out that nancy did not hammer

[Prince Lyon]

dunn peng is at l-1 and nancy posted without hammering.

[Prince Lyon]

you're my hero

[Prince Lyon]

yeah they weren't actually at L-1.

I feel like if that was a legitimate attempt to hammer it would have been faster; I feel like she took the time to check the votecount and realize they weren't at L-1.

And I don't think scum!nancy risks giving town!Penguin all of that towncred.

[Prince Lyon]

nope

but I think the point still stands

[Prince Lyon]

or you could hammer

[Prince Lyon]

whazam

[Prince Lyon]

D:

[Prince Lyon]

my one regret is that i have but one vote to place on penguinpower

[Prince Lyon]

I'm kinda interested in Dunn now.
I still think if PP flips scum like we

hope

expect then kts should consider shooting someone else in order to possibly end it right there by leaving us with an obvious lynch tomorrow.

nope nope nope nope nope. KTS is shooting nancy or scumclaiming

[Prince Lyon]

as adorable as nancy's posting is they are the vig 100% of the time

[Prince Lyon]

because KTS is a strong scum candidate and if we leave them free to shoot they'll obviously just shoot town.

[Prince Lyon]

Zzz

If Titus was being as absentee as this and she was my partner I would powerbus her rather than defend her.

[Prince Lyon]

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this is amazing

[Prince Lyon]

Thanks for admitting you slowplayed.

That makes me feel so much better for defending Spade_Ace both wagons were Town.

Well done Giga.

Guess I don't need to do that case anymore do I?

[Prince Lyon]

lol.

I feel bad about this game because we could have lynched Alban or PP D1.

[Prince Lyon]

Like Giga just said she won?

She claimed the team?

So like GG right?

[Prince Lyon]

I think Schadd was killed was literally NAI. The cops have to be the night kills if scum wants a chance at controlling this endgame.

I think we should vote whoever Davesaz says. Period.

[Prince Lyon]

Calling it. Giga Titus.

She's playing the long game and it is working beautifully.

Agreed on Titus.

[Prince Lyon]

I have RL but I will definitely confirm I am absolutely not scum with Titus and we absolutely didn't roleblock PP intentionally in order to get the win here. We definitely didn't do that.

It's Giga and Titus.

Gotta go!

[Prince Lyon]

Oh god they totally fell apart that game jesus that is so obvscum

[Prince Lyon]

so tomorrow is mylo - we need to lynch nancy for sure tomorrow

why would tomorrow be mylo?

[Prince Lyon]

[Prince Lyon]

Sorry the game outpaced you. I still think you're town ftr.