Mini 1894: DBZ Abridged Mafia - Arrival To Namek (Game Over)

[Alisae]

VOTE: Tywin Lannister HELLO WOULD YOU LIKE TO CHANGE RELIGIONS????????? I HAVE A FREE BOOK WRITTEN BY JEEEEEEESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Alisae]

Nacho and Tammy can you please be town thanks.

[Alisae]

Nacho and Tammy can you please be town thanks.

What if one is Town and the other is Scum??

staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawp
bullying
meeeeeeeeeeee

[Alisae]

Because that's what bullies do -_-
/me pouts

[Alisae]

Guyz don't fite it's okay we're all gonna die some day.

[Alisae]

Stawp
Bullying
Meeeeeee

[Alisae]

Btw tywin I won Hogwartz

[Alisae]

Hi

[Alisae]

Oh look Tammy is posting

[Alisae]

Btw tywin I won Hogwartz

Nice! Sorry I was a no show the entire game. I barely had time for one game, and since I was scum and wasn't a hydra, I had to put my time in that game. Glad you won!

Hit me up again when you do have time.

[Alisae]

Also, I'm a bulletproof, lynchproof bomb so nobody will steal them from me. I say you all just hand them to me ftw. I promise to use them responsibly.

LMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAO

[Alisae]

Hi

Alisae are you excited to play?

Yeah!

[Alisae]

Krillin is pretty lit.

[Alisae]

Oh yeah Tywin what's your flavor?

[Alisae]

Oh yeah Tywin what's your flavor?

My flavor? I can't tell you what my PM says. I'm Earthling/Earth-aligned thoufh if that's what you're asking. What's yours?

lmaaaaaao
It says that too but I was moreso referring to the "Who are you" part.

[Alisae]

I thought that was a real claim lmao

[Alisae]

I don't really care about the ball mechanics.
I don't see why everyone else is tbh.

[Alisae]

VOTE: Almost
I really don't see how that post is AI?
Like, at all?

[Alisae]

3 Town leans

Who might these be?

[Alisae]

3 Town leans

Who might these be?

Tywin, I,perium, and I forgot the third one, though I remember they had a cute avatar that they just changed into one that's not nearly as cute.

lmaaaaaaaaaaao
Why are you TRing them?

[Alisae]

wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooah look at those cool numbers!

[Alisae]

I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING!

[Alisae]

That's not helpful.
Like what are the towny things they have done.

[Alisae]

Oh yeah add to that why they couldn't have done those things as scum.

[Alisae]

hmmmmmmm...
VOTE: Socrates

I would really like you to explain the scum motivation behind saying this on page 1:

oh and Kuroi: very interesting mechanic with the Dragonballs. i look forward to sabotaging all attempts to gather seven of them.

Because I'm not seeing it.

[Alisae]

I need to learn how to read. Give me a second.
/me takes a second.
Kay heres the thing. I don't think scum!NC gets anything out of writing that post. Granted town!NC gets nothing out of it either. Like that post seems really NAI to me. Especially considering it's page 1, we're still in RVS, so I don't really see how they're trying to prevent scumhunting from happening on page 1?
I feel like if anything scum are most likely to jump on that post rather then town.

[Alisae]

ABR what do you think of Socrates?

[Alisae]

hmmmm...
UNVOTE:
I'm reading that as genuine as well.

Jiffy why do Almost posts suck?
Desperado why doesn't scum make that post?

[Alisae]

hmmmm...
UNVOTE:

I'm reading that as genuine as well.

Jiffy why do Almost posts suck?

Desperado why doesn't scum make that post?

The fuck is this

For the first bolded I was refering to this:

I need to learn how to read. Give me a second.
/me takes a second.
Kay heres the thing. I don't think scum!NC gets anything out of writing that post. Granted town!NC gets nothing out of it either. Like that post seems really NAI to me. Especially considering it's page 1, we're still in RVS, so I don't really see how they're trying to prevent scumhunting from happening on page 1?
I feel like if anything scum are most likely to jump on that post rather then town.

You'll note that I didn't immediately jump on her, but asked her to elaborate. If she said it was just a first page joke, I would have shrugged and let it go, but she didn't and went with the classic "scum can manipulate this mechanic so we shouldn't use it" argument that scum themselves love to make. They love to make the same argument about masslcaims and such, too.

As I said, it wasnt the full tell, because they didn't check the final checkbox of calling it outright scummy, but I feel better about this vote than anywhere else at this moment.

I've caught scum this way before.

I like this thought process. It shows I'm not really paying much attention and it's sorta how I would have approached that post if I didn't think it was a shitpost.

[Alisae]

@ alisae literally just answered that question

lmao I am so bad at reading give me a moment.

[Alisae]

Almost attacking Vifam for that post here doesn't really sit right with me.
Seems uncalled for if anything.

[Alisae]

VOTE: Not Chara

[Alisae]

3 Town leans

Who might these be?

Tywin, I,perium, and I forgot the third one, though I remember they had a cute avatar that they just changed into one that's not nearly as cute.

lmaaaaaaaaaaao
Why are you TRing them?

Lmaooooo (not really) why are you not?

Not really saying I SR you, it's moreso I want to understand what they are thinking.

[Alisae]

Tywin I'm concerned because you know I ask questions like that all the time because I try to understand what people are thinking so I can work with them.
I have no idea how you got that I'm not TRing them based off of that.

[Alisae]

That's not helpful.
Like what are the towny things they have done.

Why is it supposed to be helpful to you? Also, I now SR you based on your responses in the thread so far, such as constant bad questions, but not contributing or adding your own thoughts at any point. You also ask extremely superficial questions that don't actually do or say anything, but it makes you 'look' like you're contributing.

Basically, you're doing exactly what you did in Hogwarts Mafia as scum. You're not acting like townie you would. Funny, my vote was originally just RVS and OMGUS to your/Almost's vote, but now it actually has a reason to be there.

ooooooooooh you're scum. Everything makes sense now considering town!Tywin doesn't SR me for that.

[Alisae]

You can ONLY wish for someone to be resurrected, unless your Role PM specifies otherwise.

Please quote this because I read the mechanics post several times and I don't see any specification on what can be wished for.

- The wish will be the resurrection of someone who is dead, unless your role allows you to wish for something else.

[Alisae]

Do Nacho and Tammy like me?

[Alisae]

Jiffy what do you think of NC?

[Alisae]

Tywin what's your opinion on NC?

[Alisae]

In this game? No idea.

Meh fair enough.

[Alisae]

I mean come on, I know ywall like me considering how ywall both tried to buddy me in nightman.

[Alisae]

btw anyone seen the Clumsy hydra?
They're like, nowhere in sight.
Tho that's okay because they'll be an easy read when they do post.

[Alisae]

Not an alt just an egopost.

[Alisae]

btw Nacho hydra, has Nacho posted yet?

[Alisae]

I now just came to the realization that my early scumread on Socrates was stupid and I now like every one of his posts and is therefore my top TR now.

[Alisae]

Oh should I? When not one member of the wagon has said word one about why he is scum?

I am leading the NC wagon, ISO me and see why.
ABR asserted why he is voting Almost, as has Majiffy. I must admit that Zefeind almost seems like he's stalling, tbh.

There is a clear contrast here.

2 of those votes on ABR are RVS votes the other is naked. Your assessment is strange. I would think you would know this if you were reading.

I think we're out of RVS now...

[Alisae]

okay your vote maybe but Desperado's?
Naaaaaaaah.
Zef's?
Maybe but probs not?

[Alisae]

Alisae: do you still think Tywin is scum?

tbh, I have mixed feelings about Tywin right now, but I think he's town. I liked his interactions with him and I actually kinda agree, I think Tywin would approach the situation differently if he was scum + he would have more people as lynchable.

[Alisae]

I've played with town alisae before and so far he feels the same.

[Alisae]

ive played with town alisae before and so far he feels the same

Have you played with scum Alisae as a hydra partner?

This is even more interesting when multiple people come to the defense of Alisae over one vote which I'm not even pushing. Very interesting.

He's played with scum!me before in Spyro but not hydra'd.

[Alisae]

Tywin what's your opinion on NC?

Town lean so far, but it's mainly due to recent posts. I really need to reread to get a grasp of what's been said, since I've mostly only been reading while at work and half distracted.

What are your thoughts on Socrates' case on them?

[Alisae]

And on this episode of mini theme mafia games, the Clumsy hydra lurks again!

[Alisae]

If I was town in Hogwarts, I would have been TRing ywall, just sayin.
And why are people hatin on my avi's ;~;

[Alisae]

fuck the dragonballs

[Alisae]

guys Tywin hasn't posted a huge wall, he must be scum.

#joke

[Alisae]

In all seriousness I like the fact you're being way more concise now.

[Alisae]

I really would like to see more tbh.
We have the Shaz head saying Zef is scum for hypocrisy but doesn't vote them (Meh scumtell at best).
Saying they get SR'd real hard looks LAMIST.
Shaz doesn't really comment on anything else that's going on in the gamestate.
Don't really get how they said Zef dropped a scumtell to Zef being town but ok.

I would really like Shaz to talk more about Maria.
Shaz can you talk more about Maria?

So I really don't have a good grasp on it? Like, I would sorta like to see them post more if anything. Does that make sense?

[Alisae]

Like don't get me wrong, it does look bad, but I sorta don't really wanna jump the gun here.

[Alisae]

because there could be a chance that the Shaz/Clums hydra is town and I rather talk to them before I decide to push them.

[Alisae]

@Clums hydra.

Why is Zef town after you just said they dropped a scumtell?
Why is Maria scum?
btw do you have any other reads?

[Alisae]

Ah I'm misunderstanding things then.

Still would like to know the why behind your reads.

[Alisae]

Yeaaaaaaaaah...
She's gonna post that way as either alignment.
VOTE: Clums

[Alisae]

fuck the dragonballs

/series

Hey? Who needs them when you got red hair

[Alisae]

@Clums hydra.

Why is Zef town

after you just said they dropped a scumtell

?
Why is Maria scum?
btw do you have any other reads?

Okay Clums, we can start with these first.

[Alisae]

why are you scumleaning Tywin?

[Alisae]

He's town imo those posts are not scummy at all.

[Alisae]

oh yeah that part hold on, it's somewhere in my iso.

[Alisae]

Alisae: do you still think Tywin is scum?

tbh, I have mixed feelings about Tywin right now, but I think he's town. I liked his interactions with him and I actually kinda agree, I think Tywin would approach the situation differently if he was scum + he would have more people as lynchable.

[Alisae]

Cool thanks. Next question. If we're town in your opinion, why no unvote?

but I don't think you're town, if I got that impression I woulda unvoted.

Who is next on your scum list?

NC. I liked Socrates' case on them.

Yeaaaaaaaaah...
She's gonna post that way as either alignment.
VOTE: Clums

This seems like a very weak point to jump onto the wagon. Like the straw that broke the camels back instead of the relative boulders that came before. Especially since the Shaz head has no experience with MariaR whatsoever. Why was this the tipping point?

Because I thought there was more to the read then Maria just being Maria.

Also you two seem to be dissonant on your Maria read.

[Alisae]

Spoiler: Socrates about NC

Scum like to tell townies not to use unique game mechanics, thinking that they will look protown by advocating caution, but really all they do is betray their own greed.

You didn't actively call it scummy to collect dragon balls, so it's not the full tell, but this is a good starting place.

VOTE: not chara

Scum like to tell townies not to use unique game mechanics, thinking that they will look protown by advocating caution, but really all they do is betray their own greed.

You didn't actively call it scummy to collect dragon balls, so it's not the full tell, but this is a good starting place.

VOTE: not chara

I said it first, so why NC and not me?

Well no, nc said they were going to actively sabotage collecting dragons balls on the first page.

Two, your suggestion did earn a squint from me. Maybe you failed to notice. But my feelings on you re:Tywin mirror Nacho's, whereas NC only has this.

I find annoying that people think about the mechanics only in terms of how they can be used directly, not in terms of how they can be a vector for scumhunting. Scum can do a lot, but they can do very little without leaving a paper trail if we approach it correctly. I will have more to say on this day 2.

I need to learn how to read. Give me a second.
/me takes a second.
Kay heres the thing. I don't think scum!NC gets anything out of writing that post. Granted town!NC gets nothing out of it either. Like that post seems really NAI to me. Especially considering it's page 1, we're still in RVS, so I don't really see how they're trying to prevent scumhunting from happening on page 1?
I feel like if anything scum are most likely to jump on that post rather then town.

You'll note that I didn't immediately jump on her, but asked her to elaborate. If she said it was just a first page joke, I would have shrugged and let it go, but she didn't and went with the classic "scum can manipulate this mechanic so we shouldn't use it" argument that scum themselves love to make. They love to make the same argument about masslcaims and such, too.

As I said, it wasnt the full tell, because they didn't check the final checkbox of calling it outright scummy, but I feel better about this vote than anywhere else at this moment.

I've caught scum this way before.

[Alisae]

Guys maybe that's why we don't out personal tells on people.

[Alisae]

Nah I saw it, I was just on my Ipad because I'm currently sick, and I was in bed when I posted.
tbh I haven't really payed much attention to him.
Gonna ISO him.

[Alisae]

Alright I got you.
tbh I don't really care about him right now?
Seems boring to me tbh.
Like he's only talking about the mechanic and I'm not really getting anything out of it.

Desperado can you talk more about your ABR read?
Do you have any other reads?

[Alisae]

"Goku, I swear to God. I will ride your ass on this one."
"Oh my..."
"DAMN IT, TAKEI!"

Vote Count 1.06

Clumsy Phoenix

(3/7)

- Tywin Lannister, MariaR, Alisae

Almost50

(2/7)

- Majiffy, Vifam

MariaR

(2/7)

- ɀefiend, Clumsy Phoenix

Not Chara

(2/7)

- Socrates, Imperium

Albert B. Rampage

(1/7)

- Desperado

Clumsy Phoenix

(1/7)

- Albert B. Rampage

Majiffy

(1/7)

- Not Chara

Not Voting:

Almost50

Notes:

- Sha la het sha la...[/color]

(expired on 2017-04-04 12:55:00) until the end of Day One.
With thirteen alive, it takes seven to lynch.

@MOD

you have 2 clumsy phoenix wagons[/b]

[Alisae]

What's your Socrates read?

[Alisae]

Wait why?

[Alisae]

What's your Socrates read?

What's yours? I have early scum vibes from them, but it's purely gut.

He's my highest TR.

[Alisae]

Zef then engage him, tho I see your point.

[Alisae]

Liked the rest of the post, don't understand what you're saying with this point.
Saying that get scumread frequently is them trying too hard to pretend to be town...?

tbh, looking back at it, I really do not know what I was trying to accomplish with that.

[Alisae]

Liked the rest of the post, don't understand what you're saying with this point.
Saying that get scumread frequently is them trying too hard to pretend to be town...?

tbh, looking back at it, I really do not know what I was trying to accomplish with that.

Are you still happy with your vote on them?

There was other stuff I pointed out in that post plus my interactions with them so I'm happy with it, but I could always join you back on NC.

[Alisae]

I really would like to see more tbh.
We have the Shaz head saying Zef is scum for hypocrisy but doesn't vote them (Meh scumtell at best).
Saying they get SR'd real hard looks LAMIST.
Shaz doesn't really comment on anything else that's going on in the gamestate.
Don't really get how they said Zef dropped a scumtell to Zef being town but ok.

I would really like Shaz to talk more about Maria.
Shaz can you talk more about Maria?

So I really don't have a good grasp on it? Like, I would sorta like to see them post more if anything. Does that make sense?

I think Shapiro was just answering the question z asked, not accusing them of hypocrisy?

Makes sense I guess.

Yeaaaaaaaaah...
She's gonna post that way as either alignment.
VOTE: Clums

I don't get this vote. Do you expect clumsy to have meta knowledge of Maria? Why the vote there and why for that reason?

I don't think Maria posted anything that seems AI, and claiming that they were defensive seems ehhhhhhh I didn't really like the arguement and thought it was bad.
Also I hate the first part of the question, it seems really manipulative to me.

Liked the rest of the post, don't understand what you're saying with this point.
Saying that get scumread frequently is them trying too hard to pretend to be town...?

tbh, looking back at it, I really do not know what I was trying to accomplish with that.

Are you still happy with your vote on them?

There was other stuff I pointed out in that post plus my interactions with them so I'm happy with it, but I could always join you back on NC.

Can you talk about you nc read?

I'm sheeping Socrates' case on them.

[Alisae]

Socrates what do you make of NC's latests posts?

[Alisae]

guys does anyone wanna be my buddy?

[Alisae]

Sounds good to me!

[Alisae]

Hey Tywin.
I think you're being unreasonable here, just saying.

[Alisae]

And you may be a little bit tunneled.

[Alisae]

Majiffy who else is scum?

[Alisae]

tbh I think Tywin and Majiffy are town getting into a fight.

[Alisae]

606 and 624 to me looks like town telling someone how unreasonable they are being, and it reads genuine to me.

[Alisae]

Actually no, this isn't a TvT.
I don't believe that Tywin forgot that the clums hydra is scum.
With Majiffy they were like "Welp, 1 scum caught D1" and that's great an all but did Tywin suddenly forget about the Clums hydra? Because it doesn't read genuine to me?

[Alisae]

I haven't looked at the points being addressed yet because I'm not really focused on those.
I'll get to those when I get home.

[Alisae]

hey guyz
my name is alisae
I am ATTACKING Tywin because he is ATTACKING MAJIFFY
Guyz. I am totally 100% considering Tywin because he is getting into conflict with someone who I am TRing.
I am 100% CHAINSAWING Majiffy. By ATTACKING Tywin.

"I know buzzwords but not what they are used for."

[Alisae]

Tywin you know better.

[Alisae]

VOTE: Tywin

[Alisae]

guyz I win the game by sheeping majiffy right?

[Alisae]

Vifam I thought so too.
But then Tywin accused me of chainsawing Majiffy.
And I wrote a whole post describing how unreasonable that is.

[Alisae]

Vifam why Zef?

[Alisae]

THAT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING!

[Alisae]

I am amused.

[Alisae]

oh look Tywin isn't reading again.
I've provided two posts where I think he is pointing out how unreasonable you're being.

[Alisae]

Yeah you're tunneling but it's okay you're scum.

[Alisae]

ok gimmie a sec I'm at home.

[Alisae]

The fact you think I'm scum just because I'm attacking you with Majiffy is loltastic.

btw I meant I'll case you or whatever or go prove you're scum or whatever when I'm at home I'm still at school now.

[Alisae]

Desperado, what are your thoughts on Tywin v Majiffy?

[Alisae]

Desp my dude, why do I feel like you're scum letting the town rip it's heads apart?

[Alisae]

In general I feel like you've been sitting on the sidelines tho?

[Alisae]

THAT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING!

I can go into detail

plz im lost

[Alisae]

Guyz Tywin wrote another wall I'm not gonna read it.

[Alisae]

GUYZ
I'M CHAINSAWING MY BUDDY!

[Alisae]

You act like townies can't do that shit.
Like fuck look elsewhere dude
Majiffy is town.
Here
UNVOTE:

[Alisae]

Nah, I came to the conclusion that you're tunneled and not scum.
Therefore Case is not needed.

[Alisae]

Why do I agree with everything Shaz says.

[Alisae]

guyz is anyone TRing Desperado?

[Alisae]

ok
VOTE: Desperado

[Alisae]

Wait we have cookies on the good side right?

[Alisae]

meh.
white chocolate sucks.

[Alisae]

Why are you so Clumsy?

[Alisae]

Desperado seemed moreso interested in hanging in the sidelines tbh.
Like you know how site meta is to let the town rip it's heads apart with countless TvTs.
Yeah, I think he's doing that.

[Alisae]

Question for you Alisae: Do you feel like this is SvT only on Tywin's side? As in, if Tywin flips today, and if he flips town, do you still townread Majiffy?

Yes and Yes

[Alisae]

/me shrugs

[Alisae]

Desperado seemed moreso interested in hanging in the sidelines tbh.
Like you know how site meta is to let the town rip it's heads apart with countless TvTs.
Yeah, I think he's doing that.

didnt i ask you to show your work on this one?

I don't exactly remember tbh.

[Alisae]

Tywin, you going back and forth on your read on me is hilarious just FYI.

[Alisae]

Oh god a wall
Nacho I promise to get to it in sometime in the near future.

[Alisae]

Hey guyz. This time in Mini 1894 - DBZ Abridged Mafia - Arrival to Namek, Alisae pretends to be MoI!

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Alisae:

Oh yeah Tywin what's your flavor?

Why did you ask this question? Normally I'm not one for rolefishing accusations because I think they're dumb as hell, but I can't really see why you would ask this as town.

Tywin claimed Bulletproof, Lynchproof Bomb as a joke and I thought the claim was real for some silly reason.

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Alisae's first attempt at scumhunting is voting Almost for this post. The impetus behind the initial push is that Almost is attacking ABR for a post that isn't really indicative of alignment (which is a fine point in and of itself). He moves to question Almost's early townreads, gets this as a response, then ends up backing off.

Alisae, why did you back off at that post (did you find the answer satisfactory)? Why not press him to answer for the post you voted him for in the first place?

I think I came to the conclusion that I was trying a bit too hard and I really wasn't going to get explanations from him then, especially considering it's 5 pages in. Also his concern that some scum might copy his reads at the time came across as genuine to me.

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I now just came to the realization that my early scumread on Socrates was stupid and I now like every one of his posts and is therefore my top TR now.

Could you go into this read a little more in depth?
I know that your initial approach was to dislike his scumread on Not Chara but I thought you ended up dismissing that pretty much immediately after you started pushing it; this implies that your scumread held on a bit longer than that. What posts did you like that you didn't like before? What were you scumreading him for here if it wasn't his initial Not Chara push? Why did you vote Not Chara if it wasn't for Socrates's post?

It didn't linger at all, and yes I did start TRing him when I pushed NC with him. I TR'd him even more because I liked the sequence of posts that happenned. I didn't feel like he was trying to manipulate people. Like, I really liked his response to Maria's not so great post. If anything the only real problems I had with Socrates basicly happened because I wasn't reading. And I stated earlier I think somewhere, I was mostly just sheeping Socrates' case on NC.

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At first blush, I agree with Alisae's take on Tywin versus Majiffy (although I think Tywin looks much townier from that than Majiffy does).

What I don't understand is this take here:

Actually no, this isn't a TvT.
I don't believe that Tywin forgot that the clums hydra is scum.
With Majiffy they were like "Welp, 1 scum caught D1" and that's great an all but did Tywin suddenly forget about the Clums hydra? Because it doesn't read genuine to me?

Alisae's first thought on Tywin vs Majiffy was because they were both town, but as soon as Tywin goes "I caught 1 scum D1" instead of "I caught 2 scum D1" Alisae flips from townread to full scumread, which doesn't exactly make sense to me. The frustration over the chainsaw accusation isn't frustration than I can understand too well; this was the post detailing how unreasonable he thought that the chainsawing accusation was, but chainsawing is attacking your scumpartner's attacker, so Tywin thinking Alisae might be scum defending his #1 scumread isn't exactly the most insane thing anyone's ever said (or anywhere close to it).

Alisae backing off makes about as much sense as the initial attack: Alisae, could you talk me though your Tywin read in full? How did you go from town to scum to town again to trending scum again immediately after?

Question for you Alisae: Do you feel like this is SvT only on Tywin's side? As in, if Tywin flips today, and if he flips town, do you still townread Majiffy?

Yes and Yes

Leaving this here to explain some of it. If I had to say it was a SvT, Tywin would be scum there. If anything, I thought Tywin was scum there because I liked the points being made at the time? Like, right now it's town who is probably tunneled on Majiffy. I just don't really buy any of the points they have on him. Hence I think it's in a tunnel. I think I kept flopping my read on Tywin mostly because I got frustrated with them tbh. They're SRing me for things that I do as town? It's wierd. But the fact his read on me has to do with how I'm treating my "scumbuddy" Majiffy is mostly why I was probably frustrated tbh? It's probably town getting in a deep tunnel.

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Tywin, you going back and forth on your read on me is hilarious just FYI.

Can you also explain this? I feel like you should be able to understand where he's coming from pretty well when you're going back on forth on your read on him quite frequently yourself.

Yeah I remember in one of the games I played, we had a relationship where whenever we got into a fight we would SR each other then flop back to TRing each other then flop back to SRing each other (don't remember what game), but what's happening here feels like what's happening there.

[Alisae]

Alisae, why was Shaziro being unaware of Maria's meta a reason to vote him and stop talking with him?

I really don't feel like I could give you a good answer to that tbh. I will recongize that vote was bad tho.

But I mostly just stopped talking with him mostly becuase Shaz left and Clums came back? I probs woulda talked with Shaz more if he stayed.

I CAN talk about my read on them now.
And it's town.
I like the questioning in 758
And them trying to talk to me about the Majiffy wagon comp also seemed genuine.
Just really would like to see some more analysis before I good about this slot.

[Alisae]

{Imperium, Tywin, Socrates, Majiffy, Clumsy Hydra, Zef}
These are my TRs.
Do not TOUCH my TRs.

[Alisae]

I liked Zef's content.
As for Imperium, they feel way different then they did in Nightman + Tammy is posting on the hydra + If they're town they're going to get nightkilled anyways so...

[Alisae]

Eh.
This really isn't all that compelling for me; two good questions does not a townread make unless I'm missing something significant.

I'm sorta hoping I get to see more hunting like this from them.

[Alisae]

Dear town
Can we not lynch within my townreads.

Thank you
Love, Ali

[Alisae]

No he isn't

[Alisae]

Tywin.
Put yourself in a magical world.
Where Majiffy is town.
What's your read on me?

[Alisae]

hey guyz

[Alisae]

No I'm here Tywin talk to me about things.

[Alisae]

Zef is always this lurky lurky.

[Alisae]

Btw if it isn't obv enough I'm a VT

flavor?

[Alisae]

Tammy talk to me about stuffs ;~;

[Alisae]

Before you ask idunno what I just wanna talk to someone cuz I feel like it's going to help me get back into this game after not being in it.

[Alisae]

Before you ask idunno what I just wanna talk to someone cuz I feel like it's going to help me get back into this game after not being in it.

I tried talking to you a bit ago and you didn't respond.

omg i'm sry requote the posts.

[Alisae]

No I'm here Tywin talk to me about things.

How you feeling? You haven't said much in a while.

Oh this.
Not good tbh.
But I think I still like my TRs.
I'm also not really going to lose any sleep about a Maria lynch. On face value I think 1 of Maria and Desperado seems to be scum because of their interactions, not too sure on this tbh.
I think I need to iso some people later. maybe?

pedit: I've been skimming.

[Alisae]

You think they are distancing?

Not really? I don't really think they're scum together.

Sorry, I misread.

Feel like selling me on Desperado?

tbh my concerns with Desperado is that I

feel

that he hasn't really done much. Just sorta coasting if anything (Well tbf I'm doing this right now but ehhhhhhhhh)
Hold on, maybe I should talk to Desperado.
Maybe I'm not reading and everyone is going to get really mad at me and I'm going to be sad.

[Alisae]

Hey Desperado.
Who do you TR?
Who do you SR?
Why do you SR them?
Can you talk to me about Maria because you've mostly been involved with talking to them for a while now so I feel like you know the most about why she's scum.

[Alisae]

sry I'm such a dissapointment.

[Alisae]

Tammy can you give me a rawr? I heard you gave those kind of things.

[Alisae]

ABR what is your read on us ATM?

-Shaziro

Not super sure.

Can you explain a bit more?

[Alisae]

Alisae - Why did you immediately call Tywin tunneled in the majiffy/tywin showdown, but not majiffy?

I think it was easier to identify that Tywin was tunneling moreso then Majiffy, hence why I called Tywin tunneled and not Majiffy.

[Alisae]

AL of you are ridiculous. Take a look at the past few pages. See who actually discusses things. Take a look and see who doesn't. Any ideas yet?

This game is too easy for people to be this blind. Majiff is scum. Socrates is scum. Both are connected to the hip and lynching either one gives WAY more info post flip than either Clumsy or Maria combined. This is common sense. The only reason to deny it at this point is either due to egos clashing or because scum obv won't be voting their buddies.

The best lynch is either Majiff or Socrates. These are the players town should be lynching for both scum and the most info. This is how town will win. Pay attention to the big picture and you'll see what I see. Pay attention to bad tells like meta or AtE and you land on obv town like Maria. Stop tunneling on Maria and look around you.

Not a single one of you can say you hard TR Majiff or Socrates without either lying or using faulty logic to get there, and none of you can deny that Majiff's Maria vote is scummy as fuck. Majiff's entire case on me was a fabricated exaggeration even in the best light. He has NEVER asked any questions of anyone. Never. That's scummy as all hell. The townies here all know it too, but their egos are too big to leave a bad wagon, so they tunnel and conf bias.

If town wants to catch scum today before one of us gets NK'd tonight, you'd do well to lynch Majiff or Socrates. Them claiming all of my posts don't make sense is just stupidity and lies as well. It's a common scum tactic to discredit anyone with a case they don't like. You all know this, so why is it always ignored? Egos, that's why.

VOTE: Majiff

This is actually a good point...
hm..........

[Alisae]

Why would I try to convince my scumreads that they're scum? That makes no sense.

If you're right, their role pm will magically change.

[Alisae]

Guyz I'm super happy with my life.

[Alisae]

Guyz I'm super happy with my life.

This is a lie, life sucks.

I just lied.
BOOM!
BAM!
POW!

[Alisae]

I wanna see what Nacho and Tammy have to say about Majiffy.

[Alisae]

I guess you're no longer sad.

Depression doesn't magically go away.

[Alisae]

Guyz I'm super happy with my life.

This is a lie, life sucks.

I just lied.
BOOM!
BAM!
POW!

Wanna go blow for blow?

I've got about 2 grand in medical debt, just got hit with another 2 grand in medical bills, plus I've lost my car insurance from an accident a year ago and also I'm being sued by the guy I was in an accident with and guess what I have no money in the bank

Sure I guess.
I'm failing HS. Probably going to have to go to summer school to make up the creds somehow.
I tried to get a job over at Spain but when I met at the spanish consulate, I found out that I had just about none of the paperwork I was supposed to have and now I'm probably not even going to get the job because I'm failing HS. But it's okay I found out I was worthless there.
I don't even live with my parents, yet I am constantly reminded about how worthless I am by them.
I've been sick for the last 2 weeks. Tho I've been getting better, so that's nice I guess?
And for the last few months I've been considering suicide, mostly not even because of these things, but because I've just been in general depressed.
Like I don't ever feel like doing things anymore. It just, sucks.

[Alisae]

I know, it's nothing compared to what you have to deal with.

[Alisae]

ik it isn't that's why that one time when my body kept on feeling the impulse to jump onto the subway tracks, I didn't and instead I grabbed a pole.

[Alisae]

Just wondering, what information do you get from those lynches?

[Alisae]

Socrates plz don't replace out I'll miss you ;~;

[Alisae]

Socrates plz don't replace out I'll miss you ;~;

Im not in a good place emotionally, myself.

Oh.
I'm sorry ;~;

[Alisae]

Oh shit deadline
VOTE: Maria

[Alisae]

tbh I don't trust you with hammers.

[Alisae]

Yet again, I don't really care.

[Alisae]

NC why do you want hammers again?

[Alisae]

Free Pizza from hammers?

[Alisae]

I'm joking I know you want dragonballs I'm just asking why you specificly want them.

[Alisae]

rip.
Good shot.
btw I'm just wondering who has the 4-star Dragonball?

[Alisae]

VOTE: Desperado
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Alisae]

Why rge 4-star in particular?

I gave my 4-star ball to Imperium.

[Alisae]

Then it goes w/o saying that scum got it and you didn't think they'll claim, did you? In other words, your question smells. It seems like posturing for Town cred.

Oh you don't like it? WELL THAT'S TOO FUCKING BAD HUH?

Why rge 4-star in particular?

I gave my 4-star ball to Imperium.

why would you give imperium a ball when they were either scum or a high probability NK target

Because I trusted them? I wasn't thinking of nightkills or anything I just wanted to get rid of something I had no interested in using.

[Alisae]

VOTE: Desperado
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Annnnnd... Why?

Also, what are your updated reads? Do you still think I'm scum? Still think Majiffy is your strongest TR? Anything to say about your hard defense of him in the 1v1?

I'm mostly sheeping ABR here but also still believe they were coasting D1.

[Alisae]

I mean... You essentially just handed them off to scum then. This makes no sense to pass them, especially with just one. You knew you'd not be NK'd, so why would you do it? It just helped scum.

I really didn't think when passing the ball, I just wanted to get rid of it and give it to someone I trusted I'm super sorry ;~;
Wait.
I KNEW I wouldn't be NK'd?
How could I possibly KNOW that?
FUCKING JESUS TYWIN!
ARE MY READS REALLY THAT BAD?

[Alisae]

Yeah almost I forgot that was what we were supposed to be doing with the balls tbh I just wanted to get rid of it and give it to a townread.
This also says that scum has it over the vig meaning majiffy didn't preform the kill?

[Alisae]

idunno why I care anymore tbh I made a bad play.
I admit it.

[Alisae]

I mean... You essentially just handed them off to scum then. This makes no sense to pass them, especially with just one. You knew you'd not be NK'd, so why would you do it? It just helped scum.

I really didn't think when passing the ball, I just wanted to get rid of it and give it to someone I trusted I'm super sorry ;~;
Wait.
I KNEW I wouldn't be NK'd?
How could I possibly KNOW that?
FUCKING JESUS TYWIN!
ARE MY READS REALLY THAT BAD?

Let's be real here. You weren't getting NK'd lol

ikr I'm so bad at this game.

[Alisae]

Socrates who were you on N1?

[Alisae]

If you stated who you were on N1 already I'm super super sry ;~;
pedit: oh okay.

[Alisae]

Fuck gimmie like, 20 mins or something I should probably READ.

[Alisae]

Tywin: have you forgotten ABR asserting time and again that you vs. Majiffy was TvT, and separately, how town Majiffy was?

No, not entirely, but that's better than Alisae constantly saying it was SvT, with me being scum and absolutely zero reasons given as to why Majiffy was town. He went full on chainsaw defense of Majiffy, and after reading zefiends post saying I'm overthinking WIFOM here, I agree. If desperado is the red herring, then Alisae is scum. Socrates looks town, and the one BIG difference between Alisae and Socrates pertaining to the Majiffy buddying is Majiffy NEVER interacted with Alisae. At no point did he even mention him, let alone give Alisae a reason to hard defend him like they did on D1. Alisae has never asked Majiffy questions to sort him either, which is what town Ali would've done. I was overthinking this pretty badly and not looking at the obviousness of it.

Alisae is scum. I'd rather flip Ali and worry about someone like ABR/desperado later. Ali seems the obvious choice after you take WIFOM out of it.

VOTE: Alisae

Tywin.
Tell me the difference between me being his partner, and him setting me up to be his partner so I can be a lynch because I was tricked into townreading him because Majiffy is good at this game.

[Alisae]

It's like you don't think town can defend scum.

[Alisae]

My last post was directed toward Desp, not you NC. You've provided reasons for SRing ABR. What bothers me is that Desp hasn't (although he can sheep yours now), but you write him off as town. I know you looked at him earlier and saw something you liked, but I don't know what that is. VCA shows him voting Maria, and now ABR. Thats two votes all game. Surely, he must be super town to not even try to figure out whose scum or not, right? His D2 play consisted of probing my thoughts, but I give them pretty readily. His D1 consisted of voting Maria and calling the 1v1 TvT. So he's wrong about two reads at least, so what makes him think ABR is correct? What case did he bring up before you chimed in NC? I didn't see one. He laughs it off over discussing it, which ironically, Majiffy did too.

ABR isn't scummy enough for me to want to lynch him yet, which is why I asked who your other SR(s) are. You won't give them, but I'm not lynching ABR today if it's just you and Desp saying these things. He never was in my D2 scum pool, and the reasons given to lynch him are about equal to the case on Desp. You haven't provided real reasons for why Desp has played the way he has either. Essentially, you're saying ABR is manipulative and Desp isn't. That's a fallacy. ABR is obvious about it true, but he never pretended to do anything other than that. Desp has skated by doing scummy things and not doing townie things, and all I have to go on for the contrary is your claimed ISO that says you completely understand where Desp comes from. Interesting to note, you never provided any reasons why you believe that, which isn't like you. You're usually very good at giving reasons for things..

As for whose a better lynch, Desp gives more info, which you even admitted yourself. If others want to flip ABR and he comes up as scum, then I'll listen to any further reads, but if he flips town, I'm gunning for Desp/NC, which is what my original read was anyway. At least one is scum if ABR is town. The rest of the cast isn't nearly as interesting to me from a scum viewpoint, and Vifam is the only true question mark for me on D2. The rest aren't in my personal lynch pool for D2, so I won't bother talking about them further.

So I mentioned my lynch pool pages ago, which was Alisar, Desperado, Clumsy, or Vifam. Ive dropped you NC because of posts I agreed with, but you're still a question mark too, and I still question the hard defense of desperado. Why doesn't he? You're going all out for him, but if he's town, shouldn't he wonder why? Scum buddy town all the time, and hard defending a possible lynch player isn't out of the question for scum to do, because it gives them huge TCred after the inevitable lynch. So why isn't he questioning anything? Doesn't he wonder at all about whose scum? He certainly never says it.

Since the focus is either ABR or Desperado, I'd rather flip Desp. I don't see enough to lynch ABR that is any worse than what Desp has/hasn't done. I can't pretend to say that one sideliner player who said TvT is any worse than another who said TvT. The real difference is ABR pushing harder on lynches without questions asked, but Desp just votes town, doesn't ever switch or question it, and let's town hang themselves. Frankly, the difference when really summed up is minimal. There's not a huge gap here that makes one obv scum and the other obv town, and that's what bothers me.

You both call Ali town, but one calls Desp scum and the other calls ABR scum for pushing Desp. Desp gives more info due to that alone. If Desp flips scum, ABR is cleared and NC is implicated. That's my opinion.

Now, could I be wrong? Yes. I'm not certain at all here compared to my stance on Majiffy. What I do know is that there are obviously two blocs here, and scum are on one of them. Does it truly matter which one is lynched? Vigi shoots the other if the first flips town. One town for one scum looks good to me. The only way this doesn't work is if ABR and NC are scum buddies. Completely possible with how good they are, but that's territory not worth looking at yet.

As for whose a better lynch, Desp gives more info, which you even admitted yourself. If others want to flip ABR and he comes up as scum, then I'll listen to any further reads, but if he flips town, I'm gunning for Desp/NC, which is what my original read was anyway. At least one is scum if ABR is town. The rest of the cast isn't nearly as interesting to me from a scum viewpoint, and Vifam is the only true question mark for me on D2. The rest aren't in my personal lynch pool for D2, so I won't bother talking about them further.

So I mentioned my lynch pool pages ago, which was Alisar, Desperado, Clumsy, or Vifam. Ive dropped you NC because of posts I agreed with, but you're still a question mark too, and I still question the hard defense of desperado. Why doesn't he? You're going all out for him, but if he's town, shouldn't he wonder why? Scum buddy town all the time, and hard defending a possible lynch player isn't out of the question for scum to do, because it gives them huge TCred after the inevitable lynch. So why isn't he questioning anything? Doesn't he wonder at all about whose scum? He certainly never says it.

Since the focus is either ABR or Desperado, I'd rather flip Desp. I don't see enough to lynch ABR that is any worse than what Desp has/hasn't done. I can't pretend to say that one sideliner player who said TvT is any worse than another who said TvT. The real difference is ABR pushing harder on lynches without questions asked, but Desp just votes town, doesn't ever switch or question it, and let's town hang themselves. Frankly, the difference when really summed up is minimal. There's not a huge gap here that makes one obv scum and the other obv town, and that's what bothers me.

So I mentioned my lynch pool pages ago, which was Alisar, Desperado, Clumsy, or Vifam. Ive dropped you NC because of posts I agreed with, but you're still a question mark too, and I still question the hard defense of desperado. Why doesn't he? You're going all out for him, but if he's town, shouldn't he wonder why? Scum buddy town all the time, and hard defending a possible lynch player isn't out of the question for scum to do, because it gives them huge TCred after the inevitable lynch. So why isn't he questioning anything? Doesn't he wonder at all about whose scum? He certainly never says it.

So I mentioned my lynch pool pages ago, which was Alisar, Desperado, Clumsy, or Vifam..

Alisar, Desperado, Clumsy, or Vifam..

Alisar

Bruh I thought we were better friends then this.

[Alisae]

Ali relax I'm not going to stay on you.

Okay, I get that.
But I still want an answer to my question, this would really make me happy.

[Alisae]

Why do I get the gut feeling NC is only motivated to get Dragonballs?

[Alisae]

fuck I A. Still need to read.
and B. Need to read what NC is saying and what ABR is saying for me to find out if things make sense n stuff.

[Alisae]

Alisae: Tywin says you gave zero reasons for majiffy to be town. is that true or not?

Nope, I definitely gave reasons. I like how Majiffy pointed out that Tywin was tunneling and I got TvT feels from their interactions.

[Alisae]

Oh Tywin isn't reading?
Yeah he's town lmao.
That personal towntell for him should not exist.
But it's there.

can you talk more about why it looked TvT to you?
do you find tunneling scummy? i've seen town do it a lot. hell, i guess i'm doing it.

Honestly it just looks like the kind of the thing I expect a TvT to be. No Tunneling is not scummy, I never said this. If anything I read it as a TvT because Majiffy was saying comments that were pointing out how unreasonable Tywin seemed to be.

[Alisae]

Yeah but I still want Desperado ded sry ;~;

[Alisae]

Hmmm....
Let me rephrase.
What makes you think Majiffy not interacting with me (and other stuff) is false associatives?

[Alisae]

He's dead Kuroi

[Alisae]

There is only Ghost Nappa

[Alisae]

Oh no.
Maria is dead.
The world is going to end.

[Alisae]

Socrates is inspiring

[Alisae]

Alisae, why did you have to quote like five wallposts from Tywin without a spoiler? your ISO is hell to search now.

I'm sorry, I wanted to make a joke.
I guess I made a really bad joke if it hurts you when you look through my ISO ;~;

[Alisae]

My vote is on scumz.
If you want to talk to me about something.
Talk to me about something.

[Alisae]

My vote is on scumz.
If you want to talk to me about something.
Talk to me about something.

/me gets Crickets from Tywin.
EXACTLY!

[Alisae]

anyway. all i found on Desperado for you was that he looked like he was coasting on day 1. i think i remember asking you to elaborate on that at some point, but i can't find it right now. what has the read so strong for you? you didn't sound very convinced at the tail-end of day 1, you just said he 'feels like he was coasting'.

did you answer this, Alisae?

Nah I didn't see it.
Let me do that.
It's not a strong read.
It's a gut feel.
tbh I don't really have any real strong SRs.
Like I feel the most confident in my TRs atm.

[Alisae]

Clumsy Phoenix (Clumsy + Shaziro) - Town
Socrates - Town
Almost50 - Null
Not Chara - Null
Tywin Lannister - Town
Alisae - That's MEEEEEEEEE!
Vifam - Where the fuck did this guy go?
ɀefiend - Town probably?
Desperado - Scum
Albert B. Rampage - townlean

[Alisae]

@Mods can you prod or replace Vifam please? Thank you

[Alisae]

tbh
no one has talked about Vifam at all today last time I checked.
He could be scum too.
I know, I'm going after lurkers, I'm so lazy.

[Alisae]

Being inactive isn't a scumtell.
No one talking about him suggests he

might

be scum.
No one pressuring that slot today even tho it hasn't shown up or trying to suggests he

might

be scum.

The ABR read is fully gut. That's why it's a lean.

[Alisae]

Okay yeah that's fine. You're right.
And can I talk about ABR later? I rather keep my thoughts to myself about that read.

[Alisae]

Atleast for now.

[Alisae]

Okay yeah that's fine. You're right.
And can I talk about ABR later? I rather keep my thoughts to myself about that read.

that depends, when is later? later this day, or on day 3?

D3 probs.

@Mods can you prod or replace Vifam please? Thank you

Sorry, prodding wasn't listed in the job description, that's gonna be a surcharge fee of $9.95^{+shipping and handling}

STAAAAAAAAAAAWP ;~;