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VOTE: Tywin
We played 2 games before but we have yet to draw the same alignment.
P-edit: Shoot! Alisae beat me to it. Great minds think alike though, so I'll keep the vote.
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What if one is Town and the other is Scum??
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Who? Me? Why would I bully the player with the arguably cutest avatar on site?
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Oh! Bow why did I forget you were also in this game?In post 15, Not Chara wrote:
i beg to differ! ;>In post 13, Almost50 wrote:Who? Me? Why would I bully the player with the arguably cutest avatar on site?
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Oh, I'm sorryIn post 21, Not Chara wrote:weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
Almost: i don't know! and after i joined to play with you... it brings a tear to my eye.
But it's probably bc the last 2 Kuroi games we were in as a hydra, so I subconsciously thought we were playing with the hydra account.
But now I do have a thought: This dragonballs thing makes the game potentially very swingy. I think we all should keep passing them around if we get more than one just to prevent their potential accumulation with scum. Like, it should be ok for any one player to keep only ONE dragon ball at a time. Thoughts?
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That's right .. I think.In post 26, Vifam wrote:So we only need one person to gather all the dragonballs for a wish to be made right
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I think you should stick to voting in your own brand, mate.
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@Tywin: I'm trying to give you all the slack you need to rectify your play in hopes you're not yet tuned in, but then I'll have to come down on you real hard if that doesn't change soon.
Hint: reread the thread. Now tell me what you missed.
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The thing is you addressed both mine and Alisae's vote on you. but totally ignored Vifam's. Since we just finished a game where you were scum, and I partially caught you by noticing you neither voted nor got voted by your scum partners, I was wondering if Vifam (who was also in that game) tried to change that and you missed his gesture. It's a 50-50, but you'd have to admit it's strange you didn't even say hello to the guy who put the 3rd vote on you.In post 50, Tywin Lannister wrote:
Why are you making me read RVS? I usually don't start paying attention until after.In post 41, Almost50 wrote:@Tywin: I'm trying to give you all the slack you need to rectify your play in hopes you're not yet tuned in, but then I'll have to come down on you real hard if that doesn't change soon.
Hint: reread the thread. Now tell me what you missed.
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I said it first, so why NC and not me?In post 80, Socrates wrote:Scum like to tell townies not to use unique game mechanics, thinking that they will look protown by advocating caution, but really all they do is betray their own greed.
You didn't actively call it scummy to collect dragon balls, so it's not the full tell, but this is a good starting place.
VOTE: not chara
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The problem here is .. let's say I decided to collect the balls myself. I would either tell the public or do it in secrecy.In post 81, Imperium wrote:Attempting to keep them safe/pass them around frequently also means they're more likely to end up in scum hands, and once scum touches them, they keep them.
We will also constantly worry about whether scum is close to having all the dragon balls and are close to resurrecting a dead brother or sister; activating them is the only way to kill the threat completely.
If I do it in public, scum will kill me to get what I have. If I do it in secrecy it reduces the chance of me getting NK'd but the Town will not know whom to pass the balls to in order to get them all in one place.
Even if we assume I get confirmed at one point and the Town surprisingly had all the balls with them (not likely) and they miraculously decide to pass it on to me (not gonna happen) then scum will still know whom to shoot because the ball passing resolves first, so I would receive the balls before they shoot me. If only ONE Townie decides not to pass me the ball, scum will end up with 6 balls and will be looking for the last of them.
Also, Scum are likely to hammer most wagons, so keep an eye on the hammerers. It doesn't have to be the same person, as they can pass it on to the most TR member of their team.
STOP TRYING TO GO FOR SIDE ROUTES. Play the NORMAL game, please.
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Well then go for it, but -at least- keep it quiet. If we lose because of the balls though, it's on your head (assuming you're Town).In post 84, Vifam wrote:Normal sounds boring
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Personally, I will be passing the balls randomly but never twice to the same player, and that's if I lay my hands on any at all.
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I like to play defense. I'd root for Italy over Germany (soccer) any day of the week. Don't concede and thus you cannot lose is my motto.
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I actually don't care who votes me on RVS.In post 88, Tywin Lannister wrote:What you should be looking at, if you are town, is why all these people are voting for either me or you in RVS over idk, anyone else.
*Sigh* Your interrogation is over. I think you're probably Town for now. Who do we push next?
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No need to apologize. I'm not too touchy about people using the wrong pronoun addressing me.In post 96, Imperium wrote:*his sorry
Also, anyone who wishes to talk about flavour; just know that you're singing on deaf ears here, so to speak. I -as usual- have no idea who is who and will only consult the wiki when/if needed.
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Well, if you were planning on hammering the wagons to collect the balls; I'm SORRY I ruined it for you, Mr Scumster!ABR.In post 98, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
This doesn't seem likely at all, actually.In post 83, Almost50 wrote:Also,Scum are likely to hammer most wagons, so keep an eye on the hammerers. It doesn't have to be the same person, as they can pass it on to the most TR member of their team.
I've considered many strategies and decided that the best way of moving forward is to not discuss the balls at all.
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UNVOTE:
3 Town leans and no Scum leans so far.
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It IS in the Mechanics post. Passing balls resolves before NKs, and TOWN can only pass balls at night, while Scum can do it anytime except when they're the leading wagon.In post 105, Tywin Lannister wrote:g. Say I hammered scum who had multiple dragon balls. Scum would know immediately that I got them all, right? So then my best play is to pass them to a conf town or someone I hard TR to avoid scum getting them in case I then become the NK target. Right?
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Tywin, I,perium, and I forgot the third one, though I remember they had a cute avatar that they just changed into one that's not nearly as cute.
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Because I'm actually reading the thread, and you may now add Zefiend to the Town leans.In post 111, Alisae wrote:
lmaaaaaaaaaaaoIn post 110, Almost50 wrote:Tywin, I,perium, and I forgot the third one, though I remember they had a cute avatar that they just changed into one that's not nearly as cute.
Why are you TRing them?
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@Alisae:
I appreciate your line of questioning, but you have to know that sometimes NOT telling all you know is a better strategy. I tell you why you're Town, and someone else (who are actually Scum) copy it (with the necessary alteration) to look Town too. Or maybe I picked something about someone being a PR and then I point it out and Scum know where to shoot. Or maybe I give a bad reason (that I personally thought was good) and then both me and my TR get lynched for whatever reasoning (if they're not scum buddies then one is buddying the other! OOPS! It was just a good read with bad reasoning from one Townie on another. Now they're both gone, so let's move on).
When I find it necessary or even convenient to say why I think X is Town I certainly will. For now, we're still at page 5, and while you do need a good reason to push someone as Scum you do NOT need to explain a TR on someone who has been actively posting (i.e. you don't need to point out what exactly in their posts made you think they're Town). In other words, don't give Scum free info/ideas.
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Autowin? How??In post 144, Vifam wrote:
I thought you could autowin with em but I guess notIn post 99, Alisae wrote:I don't really care about the ball mechanics.
I don't see why everyone else is tbh.
Here's what we know:
You can ONLY wish for someone to be resurrected, unless your Role PM specifies otherwise.
So, for "most" players it's just bringing back one of the dead. Adding one more Townie doesn't necessarily "autowin" you the game, but adding a scumster may do in LyLo (which is why your "autowin" caught my attention).
Now, I assume there ARE one or two players who could wish for a different thing, and it might be the case that they could autowin with it.
From this, for you to assume an autowin means you're either Scum or 3P. Now which is it?
P.S. Knowing Vifam, he probably didn't think it over before he posted in that specific manner, so I'm willing to let it slide but with note.
@Vifam: THIS is why you get scum read and eventually mislynched, my friend. Don't take it as an attack on your playstyle, but rather a friendly remark. It helps A LOT when you do the Alert!Vifam I saw twice than the I'm-not-paying-much-attention!Vifam that I also saw twice so far. This will be the end of it and I'm going to play the game like I don't know you from now on. OK? OK.
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That was my guess.In post 152, Vifam wrote:I just thought the balls meant you could wish for anything I didn't know we could only wish for bringing people back to life
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C for me. I've seen it coming from both sides.In post 154, ɀefiend wrote:Show of hands, who thinks inconsistency is a
A) scumtell
B) towntell
C) NAI
I wanna make sure where I wanna vote is (in)consistent with everyone's mentality here.
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Whose alt is this?
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In post 205, Alisae wrote:Not an alt just an egopost.
Oh. OK. Thank you both.In post 206, Imperium wrote:He's a reviewer of the game.
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Where I stand right now:
Town Reads: Imperium, Not Chara, Tywin Lannister, Alisae, ɀefiend
Town Leans: Socrates, Vifam, Desperado
Don't mind lynching (PoE): MariaR, Clumsy Phoenix, Majiffy, Albert B. Rampage
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I'll keep calling all my reads "gut reads" for D1. I will start explaining them on D2.In post 254, Not Chara wrote:why are Imperium and Socrates town?
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So, you "speculate" the reason why I TR Zef, and decide it's bad, hence I'm scum? That's one hell of a case if you ask me.
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Given that my hydra p says I'm self-aware scum who can copy their Town play as Scum, explain why this might not be my Town game and I was copying it in RAW.In post 257, Vifam wrote:He's also giving off the same vibe I was kind of getting from RAW when I first drafted there and he was scum in that game so
P-edit: Again, you SPECULATE on the REASON, then consider your speculation a FACT and build on it?
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All goof then. Oops! I meant gooD.In post 263, Vifam wrote:I dont see how that's a problem
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I would, but only if I could wish for a plasma TV or iPhone 7 plus.In post 297, KuroiXHF wrote:Notes: - Who here wants to collect all seven dragonballs!?
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That's because it's a hydra, duh!!In post 376, Alisae wrote:In post 358, KuroiXHF wrote:
"Goku, I swear to God. I will ride your ass on this one."
"Oh my..."
"DAMN IT, TAKEI!"
Notes:- Sha la het sha la...[/color]
(expired on 2017-04-04 12:55:00) until the end of Day One.
With thirteen alive, it takes seven to lynch.@MODyou have 2 clumsy phoenix wagons[/b]
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Frankly, I'm at "unease" with ABR's whole playing style. This is exactly why I'm holding my horses and trying not to automatically SR him, because I'm aware of the fact that his play annoys me. That and he is not totally lurking.
If I ASSUME ABR to be Town, then the composition of the wagon on Clumsy Phoenix looks Okay'ish to me. I'd still have to worry about Maria (in 3rd slot) but then I slightly TR her over them (or SR them over her, if you will).
Desperado's towning it up big time, while I remain uncertain (read: totally null) on Majiffy.
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Strong Town lean for trying to figure me out and doing it in a sensible manner. They were wary and cautious while assessing my slot, and it gave me Town vibes. Nothing in their posts has pinged me so far, as I know that's what it would've looked like in our hydra PT had we been playing with it instead of 2 separate slots. In short, their approach and reactions all seem natural to me.
Hmm.. Zef..
The quote shows we agree mainly on the "defensive approach" of the dragonballs mechanic. I don't care much about the spoiler wall of math leading to it, but I do care about the final deduction. Furthermore, holding on to ONE ball and passing on the extra ball(s) was an enhancement to my original plan/suggestion that looked even more cautious and thus gave me more townie vibes. While Scum could -of course- have faked this I find it more likely for them to have just accepted the original proposition w/o alteration nor having to go through all that shit to explain and improve it. Either that or they could've just ignored the whole thing and moved on to "scum hunting" which would have made them look more town to the majority of the player list.In post 112, ɀefiend wrote:optimal strategy dictates that we should play defense, by only passing at Night if we have more than 1 ball, and not passing in all other circumstances.
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Yes, I was and this is the assessment I was talking about:In post 419, Imperium wrote:
My assumption is that you're talking about Not Chara, in which case I'll need some elaboration on the read. Where has it been trying to figure you out this game? How would its approach differ if it were scum? What do you think about the recent points brought up against it?In post 417, Almost50 wrote:Strong Town lean for trying to figure me out and doing it in a sensible manner. They were wary and cautious while assessing my slot, and it gave me Town vibes. Nothing in their posts has pinged me so far, as I know that's what it would've looked like in our hydra PT had we been playing with it instead of 2 separate slots. In short, their approach and reactions all seem natural to me.
Char gave me a Town "lean" not a Town "read". Why? Because they're wary of me appearing Town when I'm Scum having seen it first hand (not just as a separate slot, but as my own hydra partner). They went on to explain that I -according to them- have almost similar play as either alignment.In post 246, Not Chara wrote:early assessment of Almost here suggests he's leaning town. i like Desperado's assessment of that one Almost post coming from town (meaning i like Desperado), but Almost is a self-aware scum and is perfectly capable of forming such a thought. he remembers things and uses them, his alignment has little to do with it. that would be why Almost is only lean town. i certainly don't want him lynched, however. i haven't seen anything from him i don't like yet.
Scum!Chara would have probably just gave me a pass as a TR (i.e. tried to buddy/pocket me) rather than a Town lean with an explanation that almost negates it altogether.
There's also the fact that I was the first player they tried to figure out (along with Desperado, which they even read based on how they assessed my post, which also means they went on to ISO me first in a genuine attempt to figure me out, so their read on me had a genuine motivation to figure my alignment as early as possible.)
I'm sorry I'm expressing my thoughts in too many words, but I'm trying to express the exact feelings that lead me to TR NC.
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?? Are you referring to 401?? If so, you might want to reread it. It was mainly about the 4 people I had earlier stated I wouldn't mind lynching in 253. I didn't talk about anyone I already had a strong TR on.In post 420, Imperium wrote:
The only place where it makes sense to say that they're townreading you for trying to figure out the game is the beginning of the game - why didn't you have them as town in your most recent readslist?In post 419, Imperium wrote:
My assumption is that you're talking about Not Chara, in which case I'll need some elaboration on the read. Where has it been trying to figure you out this game? How would its approach differ if it were scum? What do you think about the recent points brought up against it?In post 417, Almost50 wrote:Strong Town lean for trying to figure me out and doing it in a sensible manner. They were wary and cautious while assessing my slot, and it gave me Town vibes. Nothing in their posts has pinged me so far, as I know that's what it would've looked like in our hydra PT had we been playing with it instead of 2 separate slots. In short, their approach and reactions all seem natural to me.
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Not really. No. You see, I -too- was waiting to evaluate how Chara made their entrance and their few early posts to decide on them. As soon as I got a Strong Town Lean (i.e. excluded them from my today's lynch pool) I stopped worrying about that slot. I am more concerned now about deciding whom to actually push for the lynch and being right about it.In post 427, Imperium wrote:I am not sure how much of this Not Chara would know to fake as scum, however. For example, I don't think it's a huge jump for Not Chara as scum to know that it shouldn't hard townread a strong scum player that they have experience with right out the gate, and I don't think it's a huge jump for them to work to approach you first over others since you two do have a hydra together. I do have concerns with how the Socrates read played out; I don't think that walking back on it when Not Chara did is natural, and I find the substance itself to be weak and more indicative of a scum mindset than a town one.
Did you have any opinions on it?
Once we see a flip or two I can go back and reassess my initial reads. Reassessing w/o seeing a flip or a STRONG reason to change my read isn't going to help me much, and -like I said- I saw nothing out of the ordinary in Chara's play so far. That's the way they think and that looks like how they would have posted in the hydra PT with me if we were not playing separately.
Besides, there are always night investigations to prove me right/wrong.
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Yes. It's an even better plan than mine because mine would make us partially lose control, while if each of us (those who end up having them) held on to one and ONLY one ball, scum will have a hard time guessing whom to shoot to get the ones that got passed. And besides, who is to say that we will all adhere to this "hold on to one and pass the other" plan? I might as well still pass them all if I had them, but to different people, and scum will lose track of them.In post 428, Imperium wrote:Almost - Is your town read on zefiend because he made the proposition to pass the balls only if we have more than one?
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1- I think we had the scum PT open in Note Book. In fact, I'm almost sure we did, because we submitted action during the day , so yes.. Kuroi allows Scum chat by day.
2- In WWE I wasn't in the scum chat, so I'm not sure if it was the same. I had a special role, so wasn't allowed to communicate with the rest of the team outside of the main thread.
3- Passing balls could be done via PM, and seeing as scum already know each other they don't have to do deliberate much before they do, but -again; judging by Note Book- I'd expect them to have the day chat open at all times.
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As of late, YES. Unpredictable schedule I suppose or something like that.In post 440, Socrates wrote:Question to players that would know: Is NotChara typically a low volume poster?
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*Pout* I don't drink coffee. Does that mean you don't want to talk to me?In post 460, Tywin Lannister wrote:when you all wake up, drink your morning coffee, and check the thread,
O'right Chef .. err.. Chief.In post 460, Tywin Lannister wrote:B) I want to get some meat and potatoes in this game. Currently, its some nouveau artisan food that's arranged all pretty, but it consists of a carrot, two peas, an eggsprout, and some chicken shavings. The game is starving for actual content.
Seriously though, my stances are clear. My lynch pool is currently in Maria/Clumsy/Socrates/Majiffy/ABR. I don't SR read any of them in particular though. It's mainly PoE. You'd notice I haven't been voting anyone for a long time now.. just waiting for someone to do something that would ping me hard enough to merit a vote.
If it helps, I'm starting to think the Clumsy slot is a low hanging fruit, and even if Scum they're not going to last long and will definitely be found out soon enough. I'm not liking their hopping between wagons, but it certainly isn't reason enough for me to want them lynched.
I don't like ABR's over aggressiveness, but that's ABR as either alignment. If he starts lurking though I'd be willing to vote there, because it seems that -as Scum- he cannot keep up with the act for too long.
Socrates is meh. Majiffy is a total null and Maria I fear I'm a bit too paranoid about her since I've seen both her Scum and Town games and cannot tell the difference. In a game that has just ended a few hours ago I was SPOILED in the dead thread and still had doubts about her alignment. God! She could have hammered Town for the win and didn't, thus earning her a semi-confirmed status at MyLo.
So, while I don't have any actual case on any of them myself I'd be willing to sheep a GOOD case on either (keyword here being GOOD). Everyone else I TR to varying degrees.
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Not necessarily. It depends on how the suspicion is expressed and what the reasoning behind it is. (i.e. NC doesn't automatically suspect everyone who suspects the like -say- Titus/-Grey-/RC do).In post 476, Imperium wrote:Almost - does town not chara typically suspect people who suspect it?
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Frankly this is very much the Town!NC I know. I may have another look in D2/D3 to be treble-extra-sure, but the way it looks right now is this is definitely Town!Chara.In post 504, Imperium wrote:
What do you think of the way he's doing it here?In post 480, Almost50 wrote:
Not necessarily. It depends on how the suspicion is expressed and what the reasoning behind it is. (i.e. NC doesn't automatically suspect everyone who suspects the like -say- Titus/-Grey-/RC do).In post 476, Imperium wrote:Almost - does town not chara typically suspect people who suspect it?
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I'm willing to vote Majiffy. For one thing he is already in my lynch pool, and for another he is being voted by 3 of my strong TRs. I still don't feel the urge yo do it right now though, so I'm giving him time to come back and try to say something AI. If I had to vote him right it'd be mainly because I can't get any vibes from him at all.
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You don't say!In post 587, Vifam wrote:I have not been keeping up with this game
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Which of you rolled Nail? That shitty excuse of a Namekian should have provided us with some solid reads already. If we don't lynch Scum today it's your green head that's going to roll next.
On another note, I don't see what Majiffy is talking about here. I thought Tywin was actually providing reads and stances that are hard to retract later, and -aside from ABR- I like that we mostly have the same reads more or less.
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So, let me get this one more time:In post 618, Majiffy wrote:
Still scumreading Almost.In post 615, Alisae wrote:Majiffy who else is scum?
Not having a good time getting traction with a lot of reads. Feeling pretty detatched from this playerlist.
Tywin is scummy, and part of it is bc he FoS'd Vifam but didn't follow it, and he seems to have switched it to TR.
Almost is scummy, and part of it is bc he noted Tywin didn't address the Vifam vote on him during RVS.
But Vifam is not scummy or anything close, God forbid.
Like if I was SRing Tywin at all mt money would be on Vifam being his p, and if anyone is SR'ing me they'd TR Tywin for my "attempt to shade him" <sick> there.
So, myself and Tywin are scum and we're both moving away from the lynchbaity slots like Clumsy & Vifam, and deciding to bark at a bigger dog that can apparently bark back at us.
OK, I think my ear infection is affecting my brain. It didn't help that I tried to know more about the flavour and ended up more confused than I started.
Am I making any sense? Probably not. But my ear hurts and it's making me want to scream and curse, so I'm not going to reread what I just typed.
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OK, let me help you some:In post 622, Majiffy wrote:I don't know who you're on and you don't seem to be making any loud pushes, so I can't speak to that.
Does this help at all?In post 575, Almost50 wrote:I'm willing to vote Majiffy. For one thing he is already in my lynch pool, and for another he is being voted by 3 of my strong TRs. I still don't feel the urge yo do it right now though, so I'm giving him time to come back and try to say something AI. If I had to vote him right it'd be mainly because I can't get any vibes from him at all.
P-edit: Oh, really! OK, here's for Vifam's, Alisae's & Majiffy's amusement...
VOTE: Majiffy
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In post 753, MariaR wrote:
VOTE: TywinIn post 749, Tywin Lannister wrote:
The worst kind of chocolate!In post 737, MariaR wrote:White chocolate yes
Maria is now my TOP SCUM READ. No way TOWN!Maria would sneak in a THIRD vote on Tywin while making it look like a joke. We are waaaaay out of RVS, so "slipping a vote while nobody's looking" is an explicit scum move.
VOTE: MariaR
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VCs maybe regular and all, but if a 4th vote is placed there nobody will remember what the previous 3 votes where for. I didn't mean that Maria placed an "invisible" vote. I meant that she put one pretending it was a joke and left it there in the hopes the wagon would gain more momentum and Tywin would get mislynched. It's always safer to get on board early and let the Town complete the job, and it's a D1 lynch so nobody ever looks back at it.In post 785, Not Chara wrote:and Almost, i really can't agree with you there. i don't think it's actually possible to 'slip a vote in when nobody's looking'. players are always looking. votecounts are posted regularly.
As for players always looking, true. I was looking. Nobody else made a mention of it. So, either everybody were offline or I was the only one actually looking. (And now I really wish we played this with the hydra, so that I can explain in as many words as I want to w/o clogging the main thread).
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@Maria: Yours was NOT "stupid" play. It was sly and cunning. You could've easily got away with it if someone else decided to vote Tywin with a brief case backing it. (A brief case was also easy because "I think Tywin is the scummier of the 2 in the Tywin vs Majiffy duel" would not have got much flack
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No. I wasn't joking with my vote. I had stated loooong before it that I was going to vote you. Go check back or ISO me. I specifically said if I voted you it would be because I cannot get any vibes from you... like I can't read you at all. And my vote would have still been on you if it wasn't for Maria's bad move which FINALLY gave me a scum read on one of my lynch pool members.In post 804, Majiffy wrote:Isn't that exactly what you were doing with your vote on me here?In post 649, Almost50 wrote: P-edit: Oh, really! OK, here's for Vifam's, Alisae's & Majiffy's amusement...
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I know Maria's play as Town AND now as Scum (a game that has just ended where Maria + Nahdia were the scum team). Is that good enough?In post 818, Not Chara wrote:810 is me.
and Almost: what do you see that makes you think Maria did this out of scum motivation, as opposed to it being a genuine joke? she's back on Desperado now.
P-edit: Maria, you're repeating an argument I had already responded to in the very post you're quoting.
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Like, we can wait and see. Just remember I called this Scum!Maria.In post 828, Not Chara wrote:Almost: unfortunately it isn't, unless you have more to tell me about Maria. you said her naked joke vote was enough to bring her from null to an SR... what does that have to do with her meta? you can spoiler your response if you want, but i really would like to see it.
Just read this game and compare it to the Town!Maria we most recently saw in Kuroi's WWE.
You want precise quotes?
In post 1563, MariaR wrote:I'm scum
But I seriously recommend that you read the whole game (Maria's posts and interactions). If we had FB in here it would have turned into a trolling fest too between the two.In post 1628, MariaR wrote:
It was a jokeIn post 1624, Firebringer wrote:
Lol, why?In post 1623, MariaR wrote:Nat don't do this to me I can't have BOTH my sr's tunnel me ;-;
I am not even tunneling you.
Haven't voted you once today.
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I would think you either forgot because I died in the middle of D1, or you thought I wasn't paying attention to the game proceedings. That's what I think.In post 866, MariaR wrote:Almost you don't think I would take into account that you just played a game with me as scum and change my play?
I think you're just wrong.
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No, we don't. Clumsy is too easy. It's the easiest lynch we can get. They're lynchbait (regardless of their alignment). If Clumsy is scum they'll trip over their own shoe laces on D2/D3 at max. Maria though can easily end game if we let her out of this. Now if I have to go all in Titus-style on Maria I will do it. Maria needs to be pushed to -at least- L-1 and claim, and then we have a PR check her, and when I say claim I mean both role & flavour, because I'm not sure what type of investigatives we have in this game, but I can speculate about 2 and neither would be an explicit Guilty/Not Guilty cop, so if we have a Role Cop and Maria fake claims she's busted.In post 874, Albert B. Rampage wrote:We need more votes on Clumsy.
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