Mini 1894: DBZ Abridged Mafia - Arrival To Namek (Game Over)

[Almost50]

VOTE: Tywin

We played 2 games before but we have yet to draw the same alignment.

P-edit: Shoot! Alisae beat me to it. Great minds think alike though, so I'll keep the vote.

[Almost50]

Nacho and Tammy can you please be town thanks.

What if one is Town and the other is Scum??

[Almost50]

Who? Me? Why would I bully the player with the arguably cutest avatar on site?

[Almost50]

Who? Me? Why would I bully the player with the arguably cutest avatar on site?

i beg to differ! ;>

VOTE: Almost

Oh! Bow why did I forget you were also in this game?

[Almost50]

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Almost: i don't know! and after i joined to play with you... it brings a tear to my eye.

Oh, I'm sorry

But it's probably bc the last 2 Kuroi games we were in as a hydra, so I subconsciously thought we were playing with the hydra account.

But now I do have a thought: This dragonballs thing makes the game potentially very swingy. I think we all should keep passing them around if we get more than one just to prevent their potential accumulation with scum. Like, it should be ok for any one player to keep only ONE dragon ball at a time. Thoughts?

[Almost50]

So we only need one person to gather all the dragonballs for a wish to be made right

That's right .. I think.

[Almost50]

This playerlist VOTE: Almost made me expel my ki all over Chi-Chi.

I think you should stick to voting in your own brand, mate.

[Almost50]

@Tywin: I'm trying to give you all the slack you need to rectify your play in hopes you're not yet tuned in, but then I'll have to come down on you real hard if that doesn't change soon.

Hint: reread the thread. Now tell me what you missed.

[Almost50]

@Tywin: I'm trying to give you all the slack you need to rectify your play in hopes you're not yet tuned in, but then I'll have to come down on you real hard if that doesn't change soon.

Hint: reread the thread. Now tell me what you missed.

Why are you making me read RVS? I usually don't start paying attention until after.

The thing is you addressed both mine and Alisae's vote on you. but totally ignored Vifam's. Since we just finished a game where you were scum, and I partially caught you by noticing you neither voted nor got voted by your scum partners, I was wondering if Vifam (who was also in that game) tried to change that and you missed his gesture. It's a 50-50, but you'd have to admit it's strange you didn't even say hello to the guy who put the 3rd vote on you.

[Almost50]

Scum like to tell townies not to use unique game mechanics, thinking that they will look protown by advocating caution, but really all they do is betray their own greed.

You didn't actively call it scummy to collect dragon balls, so it's not the full tell, but this is a good starting place.

VOTE: not chara

I said it first, so why NC and not me?

[Almost50]

Attempting to keep them safe/pass them around frequently also means they're more likely to end up in scum hands, and once scum touches them, they keep them.

We will also constantly worry about whether scum is close to having all the dragon balls and are close to resurrecting a dead brother or sister; activating them is the only way to kill the threat completely.

The problem here is .. let's say I decided to collect the balls myself. I would either tell the public or do it in secrecy.

If I do it in public, scum will kill me to get what I have. If I do it in secrecy it reduces the chance of me getting NK'd but the Town will not know whom to pass the balls to in order to get them all in one place.

Even if we assume I get confirmed at one point and the Town surprisingly had all the balls with them (not likely) and they miraculously decide to pass it on to me (not gonna happen) then scum will still know whom to shoot because the ball passing resolves first, so I would receive the balls before they shoot me. If only ONE Townie decides not to pass me the ball, scum will end up with 6 balls and will be looking for the last of them.

Also, Scum are likely to hammer most wagons, so keep an eye on the hammerers. It doesn't have to be the same person, as they can pass it on to the most TR member of their team.

STOP TRYING TO GO FOR SIDE ROUTES. Play the NORMAL game, please.

[Almost50]

Normal sounds boring

Well then go for it, but -at least- keep it quiet. If we lose because of the balls though, it's on your head (assuming you're Town).

[Almost50]

Personally, I will be passing the balls randomly but never twice to the same player, and that's if I lay my hands on any at all.

[Almost50]

I like to play defense. I'd root for Italy over Germany (soccer) any day of the week. Don't concede and thus you cannot lose is my motto.

[Almost50]

What you should be looking at, if you are town, is why all these people are voting for either me or you in RVS over idk, anyone else.

I actually don't care who votes me on RVS.

*Sigh* Your interrogation is over. I think you're probably Town for now. Who do we push next?

[Almost50]

*his sorry

No need to apologize. I'm not too touchy about people using the wrong pronoun addressing me.

Also, anyone who wishes to talk about flavour; just know that you're singing on deaf ears here, so to speak. I -as usual- have no idea who is who and will only consult the wiki when/if needed.

[Almost50]

Also,

Scum are likely to hammer most wagons

, so keep an eye on the hammerers. It doesn't have to be the same person, as they can pass it on to the most TR member of their team.

This doesn't seem likely at all, actually.

I've considered many strategies and decided that the best way of moving forward is to not discuss the balls at all.

VOTE: Almost50

Well, if you were planning on hammering the wagons to collect the balls; I'm SORRY I ruined it for you, Mr Scumster!ABR.

[Almost50]

UNVOTE:

3 Town leans and no Scum leans so far.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Almost
I really don't see how that post is AI?
Like, at all?

<snarky response clipped>

[Almost50]

g. Say I hammered scum who had multiple dragon balls. Scum would know immediately that I got them all, right? So then my best play is to pass them to a conf town or someone I hard TR to avoid scum getting them in case I then become the NK target. Right?

It IS in the Mechanics post. Passing balls resolves before NKs, and TOWN can only pass balls at night, while Scum can do it anytime except when they're the leading wagon.

[Almost50]

3 Town leans

Who might these be?

Tywin, I,perium, and I forgot the third one, though I remember they had a cute avatar that they just changed into one that's not nearly as cute.

[Almost50]

3 Town leans

Who might these be?

Tywin, I,perium, and I forgot the third one, though I remember they had a cute avatar that they just changed into one that's not nearly as cute.

lmaaaaaaaaaaao
Why are you TRing them?

Because I'm actually reading the thread, and you may now add Zefiend to the Town leans.

[Almost50]

@Alisae:

I appreciate your line of questioning, but you have to know that sometimes NOT telling all you know is a better strategy. I tell you why you're Town, and someone else (who are actually Scum) copy it (with the necessary alteration) to look Town too. Or maybe I picked something about someone being a PR and then I point it out and Scum know where to shoot. Or maybe I give a bad reason (that I personally thought was good) and then both me and my TR get lynched for whatever reasoning (if they're not scum buddies then one is buddying the other! OOPS! It was just a good read with bad reasoning from one Townie on another. Now they're both gone, so let's move on).

When I find it necessary or even convenient to say why I think X is Town I certainly will. For now, we're still at page 5, and while you do need a good reason to push someone as Scum you do NOT need to explain a TR on someone who has been actively posting (i.e. you don't need to point out what exactly in their posts made you think they're Town). In other words, don't give Scum free info/ideas.

[Almost50]

I don't really care about the ball mechanics.
I don't see why everyone else is tbh.

I thought you could autowin with em but I guess not

Autowin? How??

Here's what we know:

You can ONLY wish for someone to be resurrected, unless your Role PM specifies otherwise.

So, for "most" players it's just bringing back one of the dead. Adding one more Townie doesn't necessarily "autowin" you the game, but adding a scumster may do in LyLo (which is why your "autowin" caught my attention).

Now, I assume there ARE one or two players who could wish for a different thing, and it might be the case that they could autowin with it.

From this, for you to assume an autowin means you're either Scum or 3P. Now which is it?

P.S. Knowing Vifam, he probably didn't think it over before he posted in that specific manner, so I'm willing to let it slide but with note.

@Vifam: THIS is why you get scum read and eventually mislynched, my friend. Don't take it as an attack on your playstyle, but rather a friendly remark. It helps A LOT when you do the Alert!Vifam I saw twice than the I'm-not-paying-much-attention!Vifam that I also saw twice so far. This will be the end of it and I'm going to play the game like I don't know you from now on. OK? OK.

[Almost50]

I just thought the balls meant you could wish for anything I didn't know we could only wish for bringing people back to life

That was my guess.

[Almost50]

Show of hands, who thinks inconsistency is a

A) scumtell
B) towntell
C) NAI

I wanna make sure where I wanna vote is (in)consistent with everyone's mentality here.

C for me. I've seen it coming from both sides.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Kuroi

Whose alt is this?

[Almost50]

Not an alt just an egopost.

He's a reviewer of the game.

Oh. OK. Thank you both.

[Almost50]

Scum will be able to transfer dragonballs among themselves at any time, with the exception of if they are the leading wagon.

[Almost50]

Where I stand right now:

Town Reads: Imperium, Not Chara, Tywin Lannister, Alisae, ɀefiend

Town Leans: Socrates, Vifam, Desperado

Don't mind lynching (PoE): MariaR, Clumsy Phoenix, Majiffy, Albert B. Rampage

[Almost50]

why are Imperium and Socrates town?

I'll keep calling all my reads "gut reads" for D1. I will start explaining them on D2.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Almost30

So, you "speculate" the reason why I TR Zef, and decide it's bad, hence I'm scum? That's one hell of a case if you ask me.

[Almost50]

He's also giving off the same vibe I was kind of getting from RAW when I first drafted there and he was scum in that game so

Given that my hydra p says I'm self-aware scum who can copy their Town play as Scum, explain why this might not be my Town game and I was copying it in RAW.

P-edit: Again, you SPECULATE on the REASON, then consider your speculation a FACT and build on it?

[Almost50]

I dont see how that's a problem

All goof then. Oops! I meant gooD.

[Almost50]

Notes: - Who here wants to collect all seven dragonballs!?

I would, but only if I could wish for a plasma TV or iPhone 7 plus.

[Almost50]

"Goku, I swear to God. I will ride your ass on this one."
"Oh my..."
"DAMN IT, TAKEI!"

Vote Count 1.06

Clumsy Phoenix

(3/7)

- Tywin Lannister, MariaR, Alisae

Almost50

(2/7)

- Majiffy, Vifam

MariaR

(2/7)

- ɀefiend, Clumsy Phoenix

Not Chara

(2/7)

- Socrates, Imperium

Albert B. Rampage

(1/7)

- Desperado

Clumsy Phoenix

(1/7)

- Albert B. Rampage

Majiffy

(1/7)

- Not Chara

Not Voting:

Almost50

Notes:

- Sha la het sha la...[/color]

(expired on 2017-04-04 12:55:00) until the end of Day One.
With thirteen alive, it takes seven to lynch.

@MOD

you have 2 clumsy phoenix wagons[/b]

That's because it's a hydra, duh!!

[Almost50]

Frankly, I'm at "unease" with ABR's whole playing style. This is exactly why I'm holding my horses and trying not to automatically SR him, because I'm aware of the fact that his play annoys me. That and he is not totally lurking.

If I ASSUME ABR to be Town, then the composition of the wagon on Clumsy Phoenix looks Okay'ish to me. I'd still have to worry about Maria (in 3rd slot) but then I slightly TR her over them (or SR them over her, if you will).

Desperado's towning it up big time, while I remain uncertain (read: totally null) on Majiffy.

[Almost50]

Strong Town lean for trying to figure me out and doing it in a sensible manner. They were wary and cautious while assessing my slot, and it gave me Town vibes. Nothing in their posts has pinged me so far, as I know that's what it would've looked like in our hydra PT had we been playing with it instead of 2 separate slots. In short, their approach and reactions all seem natural to me.

Hmm.. Zef..

optimal strategy dictates that we should play defense, by only passing at Night if we have more than 1 ball, and not passing in all other circumstances.

The quote shows we agree mainly on the "defensive approach" of the dragonballs mechanic. I don't care much about the spoiler wall of math leading to it, but I do care about the final deduction. Furthermore, holding on to ONE ball and passing on the extra ball(s) was an enhancement to my original plan/suggestion that looked even more cautious and thus gave me more townie vibes. While Scum could -of course- have faked this I find it more likely for them to have just accepted the original proposition w/o alteration nor having to go through all that shit to explain and improve it. Either that or they could've just ignored the whole thing and moved on to "scum hunting" which would have made them look more town to the majority of the player list.

[Almost50]

Strong Town lean for trying to figure me out and doing it in a sensible manner. They were wary and cautious while assessing my slot, and it gave me Town vibes. Nothing in their posts has pinged me so far, as I know that's what it would've looked like in our hydra PT had we been playing with it instead of 2 separate slots. In short, their approach and reactions all seem natural to me.

My assumption is that you're talking about Not Chara, in which case I'll need some elaboration on the read. Where has it been trying to figure you out this game? How would its approach differ if it were scum? What do you think about the recent points brought up against it?

Yes, I was and this is the assessment I was talking about:

early assessment of Almost here suggests he's leaning town. i like Desperado's assessment of that one Almost post coming from town (meaning i like Desperado), but Almost is a self-aware scum and is perfectly capable of forming such a thought. he remembers things and uses them, his alignment has little to do with it. that would be why Almost is only lean town. i certainly don't want him lynched, however. i haven't seen anything from him i don't like yet.

Char gave me a Town "lean" not a Town "read". Why? Because they're wary of me appearing Town when I'm Scum having seen it first hand (not just as a separate slot, but as my own hydra partner). They went on to explain that I -according to them- have almost similar play as either alignment.

Scum!Chara would have probably just gave me a pass as a TR (i.e. tried to buddy/pocket me) rather than a Town lean with an explanation that almost negates it altogether.

There's also the fact that I was the first player they tried to figure out (along with Desperado, which they even read based on how they assessed my post, which also means they went on to ISO me first in a genuine attempt to figure me out, so their read on me had a genuine motivation to figure my alignment as early as possible.)

I'm sorry I'm expressing my thoughts in too many words, but I'm trying to express the exact feelings that lead me to TR NC.

[Almost50]

Strong Town lean for trying to figure me out and doing it in a sensible manner. They were wary and cautious while assessing my slot, and it gave me Town vibes. Nothing in their posts has pinged me so far, as I know that's what it would've looked like in our hydra PT had we been playing with it instead of 2 separate slots. In short, their approach and reactions all seem natural to me.

My assumption is that you're talking about Not Chara, in which case I'll need some elaboration on the read. Where has it been trying to figure you out this game? How would its approach differ if it were scum? What do you think about the recent points brought up against it?

The only place where it makes sense to say that they're townreading you for trying to figure out the game is the beginning of the game - why didn't you have them as town in your most recent readslist?

?? Are you referring to 401?? If so, you might want to reread it. It was mainly about the 4 people I had earlier stated I wouldn't mind lynching in 253. I didn't talk about anyone I already had a strong TR on.

[Almost50]

I am not sure how much of this Not Chara would know to fake as scum, however. For example, I don't think it's a huge jump for Not Chara as scum to know that it shouldn't hard townread a strong scum player that they have experience with right out the gate, and I don't think it's a huge jump for them to work to approach you first over others since you two do have a hydra together. I do have concerns with how the Socrates read played out; I don't think that walking back on it when Not Chara did is natural, and I find the substance itself to be weak and more indicative of a scum mindset than a town one.

Did you have any opinions on it?

Not really. No. You see, I -too- was waiting to evaluate how Chara made their entrance and their few early posts to decide on them. As soon as I got a Strong Town Lean (i.e. excluded them from my today's lynch pool) I stopped worrying about that slot. I am more concerned now about deciding whom to actually push for the lynch and being right about it.

Once we see a flip or two I can go back and reassess my initial reads. Reassessing w/o seeing a flip or a STRONG reason to change my read isn't going to help me much, and -like I said- I saw nothing out of the ordinary in Chara's play so far. That's the way they think and that looks like how they would have posted in the hydra PT with me if we were not playing separately.

Besides, there are always night investigations to prove me right/wrong.

[Almost50]

Almost - Is your town read on zefiend because he made the proposition to pass the balls only if we have more than one?

Yes. It's an even better plan than mine because mine would make us partially lose control, while if each of us (those who end up having them) held on to one and ONLY one ball, scum will have a hard time guessing whom to shoot to get the ones that got passed. And besides, who is to say that we will all adhere to this "hold on to one and pass the other" plan? I might as well still pass them all if I had them, but to different people, and scum will lose track of them.

[Almost50]

1- I think we had the scum PT open in Note Book. In fact, I'm almost sure we did, because we submitted action during the day , so yes.. Kuroi allows Scum chat by day.

2- In WWE I wasn't in the scum chat, so I'm not sure if it was the same. I had a special role, so wasn't allowed to communicate with the rest of the team outside of the main thread.

3- Passing balls could be done via PM, and seeing as scum already know each other they don't have to do deliberate much before they do, but -again; judging by Note Book- I'd expect them to have the day chat open at all times.

[Almost50]

Question to players that would know: Is NotChara typically a low volume poster?

As of late, YES. Unpredictable schedule I suppose or something like that.

[Almost50]

when you all wake up, drink your morning coffee, and check the thread,

*Pout* I don't drink coffee. Does that mean you don't want to talk to me?

B) I want to get some meat and potatoes in this game. Currently, its some nouveau artisan food that's arranged all pretty, but it consists of a carrot, two peas, an eggsprout, and some chicken shavings. The game is starving for actual content.

O'right Chef .. err.. Chief.

Seriously though, my stances are clear. My lynch pool is currently in Maria/Clumsy/Socrates/Majiffy/ABR. I don't SR read any of them in particular though. It's mainly PoE. You'd notice I haven't been voting anyone for a long time now.. just waiting for someone to do something that would ping me hard enough to merit a vote.

If it helps, I'm starting to think the Clumsy slot is a low hanging fruit, and even if Scum they're not going to last long and will definitely be found out soon enough. I'm not liking their hopping between wagons, but it certainly isn't reason enough for me to want them lynched.

I don't like ABR's over aggressiveness, but that's ABR as either alignment. If he starts lurking though I'd be willing to vote there, because it seems that -as Scum- he cannot keep up with the act for too long.

Socrates is meh. Majiffy is a total null and Maria I fear I'm a bit too paranoid about her since I've seen both her Scum and Town games and cannot tell the difference. In a game that has just ended a few hours ago I was SPOILED in the dead thread and still had doubts about her alignment. God! She could have hammered Town for the win and didn't, thus earning her a semi-confirmed status at MyLo.

So, while I don't have any actual case on any of them myself I'd be willing to sheep a GOOD case on either (keyword here being GOOD). Everyone else I TR to varying degrees.

[Almost50]

Almost - does town not chara typically suspect people who suspect it?

Not necessarily. It depends on how the suspicion is expressed and what the reasoning behind it is. (i.e. NC doesn't automatically suspect everyone who suspects the like -say- Titus/-Grey-/RC do).

[Almost50]

Almost - does town not chara typically suspect people who suspect it?

Not necessarily. It depends on how the suspicion is expressed and what the reasoning behind it is. (i.e. NC doesn't automatically suspect everyone who suspects the like -say- Titus/-Grey-/RC do).

What do you think of the way he's doing it here?

Frankly this is very much the Town!NC I know. I may have another look in D2/D3 to be treble-extra-sure, but the way it looks right now is this is definitely Town!Chara.

[Almost50]

I'm willing to vote Majiffy. For one thing he is already in my lynch pool, and for another he is being voted by 3 of my strong TRs. I still don't feel the urge yo do it right now though, so I'm giving him time to come back and try to say something AI. If I had to vote him right it'd be mainly because I can't get any vibes from him at all.

[Almost50]

I have not been keeping up with this game

You don't say!

[Almost50]

Which of you rolled Nail? That shitty excuse of a Namekian should have provided us with some solid reads already. If we don't lynch Scum today it's your green head that's going to roll next.

On another note, I don't see what Majiffy is talking about here. I thought Tywin was actually providing reads and stances that are hard to retract later, and -aside from ABR- I like that we mostly have the same reads more or less.

[Almost50]

Majiffy who else is scum?

Still scumreading Almost.

Not having a good time getting traction with a lot of reads. Feeling pretty detatched from this playerlist.

So, let me get this one more time:

Tywin is scummy, and part of it is bc he FoS'd Vifam but didn't follow it, and he seems to have switched it to TR.

Almost is scummy, and part of it is bc he noted Tywin didn't address the Vifam vote on him during RVS.

But Vifam is not scummy or anything close, God forbid.

Like if I was SRing Tywin at all mt money would be on Vifam being his p, and if anyone is SR'ing me they'd TR Tywin for my "attempt to shade him" <sick> there.

So, myself and Tywin are scum and we're both moving away from the lynchbaity slots like Clumsy & Vifam, and deciding to bark at a bigger dog that can apparently bark back at us.

OK, I think my ear infection is affecting my brain. It didn't help that I tried to know more about the flavour and ended up more confused than I started.

Am I making any sense? Probably not. But my ear hurts and it's making me want to scream and curse, so I'm not going to reread what I just typed.

[Almost50]

I don't know who you're on and you don't seem to be making any loud pushes, so I can't speak to that.

OK, let me help you some:

I'm willing to vote Majiffy. For one thing he is already in my lynch pool, and for another he is being voted by 3 of my strong TRs. I still don't feel the urge yo do it right now though, so I'm giving him time to come back and try to say something AI. If I had to vote him right it'd be mainly because I can't get any vibes from him at all.

Does this help at all?

P-edit: Oh, really! OK, here's for Vifam's, Alisae's & Majiffy's amusement...

VOTE: Majiffy

[Almost50]

White chocolate yes

The worst kind of chocolate!

VOTE: Tywin

Maria is now my TOP SCUM READ. No way TOWN!Maria would sneak in a THIRD vote on Tywin while making it look like a joke. We are waaaaay out of RVS, so "slipping a vote while nobody's looking" is an explicit scum move.

VOTE: MariaR

[Almost50]

and Almost, i really can't agree with you there. i don't think it's actually possible to 'slip a vote in when nobody's looking'. players are always looking. votecounts are posted regularly.

VCs maybe regular and all, but if a 4th vote is placed there nobody will remember what the previous 3 votes where for. I didn't mean that Maria placed an "invisible" vote. I meant that she put one pretending it was a joke and left it there in the hopes the wagon would gain more momentum and Tywin would get mislynched. It's always safer to get on board early and let the Town complete the job, and it's a D1 lynch so nobody ever looks back at it.

As for players always looking, true. I was looking. Nobody else made a mention of it. So, either everybody were offline or I was the only one actually looking. (And now I really wish we played this with the hydra, so that I can explain in as many words as I want to w/o clogging the main thread).

[Almost50]

@Maria: Yours was NOT "stupid" play. It was sly and cunning. You could've easily got away with it if someone else decided to vote Tywin with a brief case backing it. (A brief case was also easy because "I think Tywin is the scummier of the 2 in the Tywin vs Majiffy duel" would not have got much flack

[Almost50]

Isn't that exactly what you were doing with your vote on me here?

P-edit: Oh, really! OK, here's for Vifam's, Alisae's & Majiffy's amusement...

VOTE: Majiffy

No. I wasn't joking with my vote. I had stated loooong before it that I was going to vote you. Go check back or ISO me. I specifically said if I voted you it would be because I cannot get any vibes from you... like I can't read you at all. And my vote would have still been on you if it wasn't for Maria's bad move which FINALLY gave me a scum read on one of my lynch pool members.

[Almost50]

810 is me.

and Almost: what do you see that makes you think Maria did this out of scum motivation, as opposed to it being a genuine joke? she's back on Desperado now.

I know Maria's play as Town AND now as Scum (a game that has just ended where Maria + Nahdia were the scum team). Is that good enough?

P-edit: Maria, you're repeating an argument I had already responded to in the very post you're quoting.

[Almost50]

Almost: unfortunately it isn't, unless you have more to tell me about Maria. you said her naked joke vote was enough to bring her from null to an SR... what does that have to do with her meta? you can spoiler your response if you want, but i really would like to see it.

Like, we can wait and see. Just remember I called this Scum!Maria.

Just read this game and compare it to the Town!Maria we most recently saw in Kuroi's WWE.

You want precise quotes?

VOTE: not science
whoops finger slipped

VOTE: Zach
Flash wagon

Maria I just said that but ok.
VOTE: Zach

No you didn't it was MY idea I take credit

I'm scum

Nat don't do this to me I can't have BOTH my sr's tunnel me ;-;

Lol, why?

I am not even tunneling you.
Haven't voted you once today.

It was a joke

But I seriously recommend that you read the whole game (Maria's posts and interactions). If we had FB in here it would have turned into a trolling fest too between the two.

[Almost50]

Almost you don't think I would take into account that you just played a game with me as scum and change my play?
I think you're just wrong.

I would think you either forgot because I died in the middle of D1, or you thought I wasn't paying attention to the game proceedings. That's what I think.

[Almost50]

We need more votes on Clumsy.

No, we don't. Clumsy is too easy. It's the easiest lynch we can get. They're lynchbait (regardless of their alignment). If Clumsy is scum they'll trip over their own shoe laces on D2/D3 at max. Maria though can easily end game if we let her out of this. Now if I have to go all in Titus-style on Maria I will do it. Maria needs to be pushed to -at least- L-1 and claim, and then we have a PR check her, and when I say claim I mean both role & flavour, because I'm not sure what type of investigatives we have in this game, but I can speculate about 2 and neither would be an explicit Guilty/Not Guilty cop, so if we have a Role Cop and Maria fake claims she's busted.

[Almost50]

some weird votes going willy nilly,

Jokey votes, my friend. Did Maria place any votes "jokingly" in WWE?

Also, you've just missed the change her tone. She averted to a "you don't think I would take into account that you just played a game with me as scum and change my play?", which is an implicit admission that her play here is the same as hers in the Scum game I referred you to already. I mean, SHE CONCEDES that this is the same play, and you cannot see it??

[Almost50]

it really could just be a joke vote.

And this is why Town will always have a greater chance of losing. Every Town player will try to look for an out to Scum player with shitty moves, ranging from "too scummy to be scum" to "it could be/it might be/it's not necessarily so". I see a bad move and I call it. It a MUCH better reason to vote someone than "I can't read them" or "one head is scummy and the other is Townie".

Alright, I want you to lay your options (not necessarily in public. You can do it in a file for yourself) and see what case(s) are being put forward on each slot. Now try to decide which of them merits a vote ON YOU had you been doing that. Should people be voting you if you do nothing? Should they vote you because they can't read you? Should they vote you when you act disengaged and place votes as a joke? What?

[Almost50]

I wasn't exactly full of votes to where it would've mattered.

THAT IS EXACTLY THE POINT. If I was scum and wanted you lynched I would NOT join your wagon late. Those who vote last are always the ones to receive the backlash of a mislynch. I would do it when I feel most secure that I'm not drawing much attention, and with a camouflage it's even a better way to jump on your wagon. If I ever get called on it afterwards I can always claim I was joking and I forgot I had put my vote on you in the first place.

[Almost50]

And why would I forget? Because it was a joke GDI. I wasn't serious, so it slipped my mind.

[Almost50]

If they got lynched and flipped scum, I'd consider it a lucky gamble over an obvious scum read.

This literally applies to each and every slot in the game as it is. We're on D1 and -unless someone is really bad- you're not going to get any closer to a "this is a confident scum read". I mean, look at the players list FGS. Does any of them (including Maria) look like the player to OBV!SCUM on D1?

[Almost50]

but do you see Maria and Clumsy as buddies?

Why would I even care? If Clumsy is lynchbait AS EITHER ALIGNMENT then all reads should be independent of the read on this slot. They look scummy regardless, and thus cannot be used for preflip association tells.

[Almost50]

Otherwise, who would be connected to them?

Why would I care NOW when I don't even know if the lynch is going through, let alone it's just a guess (although it IS my best guess)? I want to see her flip first and THEN I can decide what next.

Tywin (and everyone else): For all you know

I

could be scum with Maria. Maybe I saw that she cannot be lynched today so I decided to make this push on her and have everybody oppose me and then we end up lynching Clumsy anyway, but a distancing job would have been extremely well done and if either of us ever flipped later the other is practically confirmed a Townie because "there's NO WAY scum would push their p this hard when there was no need to bus". This IS how Town loses games.

If Maria flips Town (let's just assume this for the sake of argument) I'm the one most likely to be under fire for it. I will be grilled (if not targeted by almost all investigative roles). Now tell me this: Who would you grill, investigate or even mildly suspect if we lynch Clumsy and they flip Town? Who pushed that mislynch? NO ONE! Clumsy packs and leaves the game and we are back to square 1. If that's how you want to play it then a NO LYNCH is just as good IMHO. If we're not getting any associative tells either way and are counting on the night action then let's just NL and call it a day. I mean, what IS the point of the lynch on D1 if it doesn't provide us with anything?

[Almost50]

Like Maria voting majiff looks like a way to move attention to any wagon other than them/Clumsy.

^^^ THIS RIGHT HERE!

I kept my mouth shut to see if anyone else will say it first, so it won't be "Almost is conf!biasing real hard".

Now I

am

willing to move my vote to Clumsy IF both Tywin & ABR (and preferably Zef) will join it.

Just please remember to lynch Maria tomorrow regardless.

@Maria: Is there anything you would like to tell us NOW, today? I know it's unlikely but perhaps you forgot to claim Miller or PGO or God-knows-what ..

[Almost50]

VOTE: Clumsy

Tywin? Zef??

[Almost50]

My TRs (in no particular order): Imperium, Not Chara, Tywin, ɀefiend, ABR
My Town LEANS: Alisae, Desperado, Vifam
Null (and a pain in the back, so I might eventually sheep ABR on this one): Majiffy
Scum lean: Socrates (PoE actually)
Scum: Maria, Clumsy

Now clearly if I'm wrong about someone above the null then Socrates is the likely slot to move up instead. I feel confident about my TRs though, so will only consider reevaluating my Town leans and with GOOD cause only.

[Almost50]

Okay maybe ABR flipped scum lol no it is so RARE you ever wagon 2 scum in a row let alone 1 on day 1 the fact everyone is okay with both these wagons should be red flag city showing scum are okay with this like this is mafia 101

I can vaguely recall a game where we wagoned THREE scums simultaneously. I don't remember if it was on D1 or D2 though, and I can't seem to find the game. All I remember is I was a Cowardly Hider, and both Titus & Ranger were on the Scum team. It was one of the rare occasions I saw Titus voting a scum p. The game was modded by Skullduggery.

WAIT! There it is.. nah.. it was D2. The leading 3 wagons were all on scum though. Here's the peak VC before Nero dayvigged PV. Scum team was Ranger+Titus+PV+Antihero+Varsoon.

[Almost50]

Almost 50 is obv town but is just really really bad

This has been answered before, my friend. His mechanics post felt genuine and his approach was even better than my own.

Almost50 your sr pisses me off cause it's just meta that's false you are awful awful town

This is how it's going to work Clum gets lynched town dies I get lynched town dies oh look that's 4 people dead and towns back at square 1 lol

Well, it looks like you've been given another day to help me/us see the light if you are Town. AtE and/or fearmongering do not get to me though.

[Almost50]

Almost50, is your read on our slot mainly based on association to Maria's slot?

Yes and no.. both, actually. Your play is scummy in itself, and you have always been in my lynch pool. What I was suggesting was that with that kind of play you're bound to slip or get caught really fast, so I wanted someone who could provide us with more association, but then Maria joining the Majiffy wagon gave me the exact impression Tywin expressed and linked you together in my mind, so the decision to vote you TODAY is "mainly based on association to Maria's slot", YES.

[Almost50]

He thinks I play the same scum game over and over for some reason. idk why he wants you

Maria; this what.. our 4th game together? I think you were in Notebook (correct me if I'm wrong), and I'm sure you were in WWE. I also saw you in Dunnstral's game. Now -maybe- you don't play the same way in every game, but your play here is so much similar to the one game you rolled scum with me and not at all similar to either of the two games where you were Town. If you're being scummy on purpose then it worked. You ARE being Scum read by me.

P-edit: Correct, mate.

[Almost50]

Okay, I can see the thought process there. Assume, however, that we flip town. What direction does that take you in, wrt your reads?

Well, THAT is the problem. IF you flip Town it won't give me any leads what-so-ever, which is why I didn't want your lynch as my prime choice to begin with.

[Almost50]

Almost 50 is obv town but is just really really bad

This has been answered before, my friend. His mechanics post felt genuine and his approach was even better than my own.

Almost50 your sr pisses me off cause it's just meta that's false you are awful awful town

This is how it's going to work Clum gets lynched town dies I get lynched town dies oh look that's 4 people dead and towns back at square 1 lol

Well, it looks like you've been given another day to help me/us see the light if you are Town. AtE and/or fearmongering do not get to me though.

Not trying to appease you I'm just stating obv facts

"Facts"?? Maria. how do you know Clumsy will flip Town "for a fact"??

[Almost50]

Funny, Day 1 of the scumgame that Clumsy linked me to consisted entirely of jockeying back and forth between two players the entire day with not even the slightest hint of a wagon forming on anyone else, with one person going "I don't like these two wagons and think scum are lurking on the wagons".
That person was scum. One of those two people being wagoned were scum (Clumsy Phoenix themselves).
:
<clipped out for convenience>
:
VOTE: Maria

Hold on a second! So you saw the game had similarities with the situation here, and Clumsy was in a similar position to the one in here, and they were scum there, so you leave the 5 person wagon on them and join the wagon that had just dissipated on Maria??

Explain this to me like I'm 4 not 5. Because I would have stayed on the larger wagon of the two if I thought both Clumsy and Maria are scum (which I do).

What you just did is a classic SCUM move. It only leaves me wondering if Clumsy is your Scum p and you want the wagon on them to go away, or if they're Town and you want to not appear on the wagon now that it looks likely to go all the way.

What does everybody think of this??

[Almost50]

I don't, but I'm willing to wait and see it's fruition.

[Almost50]

It should go without saying that ball ownership should be counterclaimed with impunity.

Counterclaimed?? Are the balls in the show of certain functions each? Or are they related to certain characters?? Because from what I read (trying to familiarize myself with the flavour) they had so many users I don't even think anyone would fake claim having x-star ball to begin with. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Btw, I love this fat Guru guy Kuroi keeps using in the VCs, and from what little I've seen he is weird and ordering Nail around like the latter is his slave or something.

I also want those who are familiar with the flavour to weigh in regarding that claim. Does it sound legit? Is that character a main character (as in must be included) or does sound more like a safe fake-claim (Kuroi does provide those, btw).

[Almost50]

I see that it took me too damn long to finish my post everything I said has already been said by others. Good.

[Almost50]

@Maria:

Alright, back and claiming. We are Moori, Dende (Little Green)'s dad and the village elder. We're the guy who gets iced by Freeza. More specifically, we are a VT, but we hold the Six-Star Dragonball. No real special effects that I can see, and no special way to use the balls. As a side note on the topic of the dragon balls, despite the fact that I know discussion of them is largely over, it is almost certain that scum have either individual special uses for the balls or a special use they all share, because bringing a flipped scum back to life would be pretty much entirely pointless. In either case, I personally want either Socrates or Majiffy to be the one to hammer us, they're the ones I trust most to know what to do with the ball.

[Almost50]

It should go without saying that ball ownership should be counterclaimed with impunity.

Counterclaimed?? Are the balls in the show of certain functions each? Or are they related to certain characters?? Because from what I read (trying to familiarize myself with the flavour) they had so many users I don't even think anyone would fake claim having x-star ball to begin with. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Btw, I love this fat Guru guy Kuroi keeps using in the VCs, and from what little I've seen he is weird and ordering Nail around like the latter is his slave or something.

I also want those who are familiar with the flavour to weigh in regarding that claim. Does it sound legit? Is that character a main character (as in must be included) or does sound more like a safe fake-claim (Kuroi does provide those, btw).

Dragon balls are individually identifiable by their star number. It's in the opening rule post. Clumsy claimed to have the six star ball. If someone else has the six-star ball, they should counter immediately.

My point is/was: If they're Scum and have the 6-star ball there's no need for them to fake claim THAT. Having a ball on it's own isn't a Town feature .. or is it?? If it IS, then with no CC they're Town. If it isn't then there's no way we can tell their alignment just from having this particular ball, so it's safe for them to claim it anyway.

[Almost50]

UNVOTE:

I think I want to wait until Nacho's done here. Let's not risk a lol!Hammer (although I those who are infamous for it are not present in this game).

[Almost50]

UNVOTE:

I think I want to wait until Nacho's done here. Let's not risk a lol!Hammer (although I those who are infamous for it are not present in this game).

It was L-2 now L-3. Not voting is a capital sin that leads to apathy and loss.

By my count it was L-1 and now L-2: Vifam, Not Chara, Tywin Lannister, Socrates, Albert B. Rampage,

[Almost50]

Another game where Maria gets lynched Day 1 when will people learn my scum games are better then that smh

Every time you say that I get the urge to vote you. Every single time. How is that any different that than "We are a lynchbait and I always look scummy"?? AtE is OVERRATED. At least it doesn't bode well at this end, unless there is PROOF that it's genuine. Please get to playing the game and leave out the nonsense.

[Almost50]

the more time elapses the less I feel like lynching Clumsy and the more I feel like Maria is cornered Scum.

VOTE: Maria

I could also vote Socrates, but if Maria flips Scum I think he's in the clear. This should be a much more informative lynch AND is also the one I feel more likely to be on Scum.

[Almost50]

@Tywin: Stop wasting your time and effort on a wagon that will not take off today. Let's have a flip first and then we can reevaluate.

Now, you may have reservations, but just play with me and assume that Maria flipped Scum. Would you still SR Majiffy as hard as you do now? Would you feel better about him? Or would it not matter at all?

[Almost50]

Isn't it likely that if too many people are eager to lynch anyone on D1, then those lunches are probably not scum? Almost: you said you were in a game where all the wagons were on scum. What was the pushback like? Who defended who from your memory? What did scum do? Idk if I've ever seen a smaller game like this lynch scum on D1. It's only happened in huge games where the lynch was decided by the highest voted player by a deadline over a majority lynch.

It was on D2. We (Town) pushed 2 scum simultaneously, and we also defended them (the town got divided). SCUM pushed their 3rd member and almost got them lynched. However, our 1-shot Vig took out one of the original 2, and we ended up lynching the other. The 3rd one that they pushed though won them the game because everybody was so stupid they took it for granted that this could not have been a bus.

[Almost50]

Me saying things like oh another game where I get lynched d1 as town is just fact because it happens a shit ton I've never been lynched d1 as scum and it isn't gonna happen this game either cause I flipped town N don't know how to stop it I'm easy to lynch as town and not as scum *shrug* I don't mind lynching myself so town can wake up and see that scum are driving the wagons that were both on town I think Clum slot is town and shouldn't be lynched tomorrow it's very clear
Pedit: Already claimed

How about playing your scum!game when you're town? maybe that will help (if what you say is true).

[Almost50]

I'm so glad were playing "compare game A to game B" cause that's gonna get us the right result boy gee what a good game of mafia were having

I don't want to be smug, but isn't this better than "Hi, Maria", "Hi, Fire", "What's up?", "Nothing.", "I'm not feeling good", "Need a hug?" kind of posting?

[Almost50]

A lot of the scumreads on me from what I can see involve meta from other games or games I've done myself and that's really hard to defend against. I think scum are reaching cause I'm an easy ML but I haven't really done much in terms of scummyness this game.

Again, you AtE is failing to get to me. You're NOT an easy ML. The GREAT TITUS HERSELF couldn't get you lynched in WWE. How's that for an easy ML?

Furthermore, why would scum for an easy ML in you when you have even claimed a VT? Don't you think they'd rather pressure other slots to -maybe- get a PR claim? Does it make sense to you that they'd push a VT claim over any "unknown" slot?

Third point: Tywin has been saying your wagon has no resistance. I fail to see that as you ARE still alive and the former wagon on you had even dissipated before. Right now you're dancing at L-2/L-3, and I can't see it being because the whole scum team is already on you. That's nonsensical.

In Timeshift Vifam was an easy ML on D1 and Scum refused to push him. They wanted the PR instead. This is a similar situation, and thus the question is whether it's because you're really a VT or because you're one of them. I'm leaning the latter because of the very way you're defending yourself. Town!Maria did NOT use AtE in WWE against Titus. You fought back and got stubborn even (Vigged a Townie in a hasty move). That was rather bold and agressive, not as weak as you're trying to portray yourself here.

I'd give it more than 80% Maria is flipping red here, and that mighty high for a D1 lynch.

[Almost50]

but instead you made sure to ask for a vote count first, then didn't follow through...?

That too. I didn't see you voting yourself like you said you would. That's ALSO AtE.

OK.'ll tell you what: Show me an incident of you having self-voted before. Come on. Let's have a link.

[Almost50]

Oh I remember I think that almost just recently seeing Maria's scum game, which I'm guessing she won, has made almost paranoid and seeing everything Maria does as an extension of Maria's last game.

False assumption, I regretfully say. It was a special mechanics game and I bonded myself to Nahdia who was Maria's Scum p. In other words, I was SCUM myself, although I had to die as soon as I bonded with Nahdia. My win com was for Nahdia to end game AND Scum to win, so essentially I was happy Maria won that game.

[Almost50]

@Tywin: O've done everything I can do get Maria lynched. If the wagon on her dissipates and/or one emerges on Majiffy I'm willing to join it. I dropped Majiffy temporarily based on ABR's assertion he was Town.

[Almost50]

Your alignment in the other game doesn't impact how I think you're viewing Maria in this game. It looks to me that you're looking at everything she does in this game as an extension of that game. It gets hard to separate some times.

I wouldn't really trust ABR's read on Majiffy though; I think Majiffy is the type of player that ABR would just naturally town read. He pushes cases and reads strongly, and I think that ABR would appreciate that. But he mocks and pushes cases using mostly just sophistry regardless of alignment, so. Nacho isn't certain of his alignment and he's the only person I'd trust to be able to know if Majiffy is playing his town game here.

2 things:

1- I also saw Maria's Town game just before that. I saw Town!Maria and I saw Scum!Maria and those were almost back-to-back, and now this is the 3rd game that follows (although I'm sure I met also met her once before, but can't remember where! Maybe she was in a hydra or something).

2- Majiffy didn't do any of the above in this game. No pushing cases and no strong reads thus far. I mean, that's why I decided I cannot get a read off him anyway so I sheeped ABR.

[Almost50]

Who did Clum claim I didn't see I know quite a bit on DBZ so I can judge

He's made a case on Tywin and has pushed that read.

I see. Point taken. Thank you.

[Almost50]

Do you want a vote count?

Can I have apple juice instead? Thanks

[Almost50]

"In the healing tank - I thought you had to be nude"
"W-why would you think that?"
"You know... to absorb the healing juices..."

Vote Count 1.14

Clumsy Phoenix

(3/7)

- Vifam, Not Chara, Socrates

MariaR

(3/7)

- Desperado, Almost50, ɀefiend

Desperado

(2/7)

- Alisae, Albert B. Rampage

Tywin Lannister

(2/7)

- Clumsy Phoenix, Majiffy

Majiffy

(1/7)

- Tywin Lannister

MariaR

(1/7)

- Imperium

Socrates

(1/7)

- MariaR

Not Voting:

Notes:

-

(expired on 2017-04-04 12:55:00) until the end of Day One.
With thirteen alive, it takes seven to lynch.

Is this vote count accurate???

OK.. OK.. I'll trust you.. but just for THIS ONCE!

[Almost50]

@Majiffy: You still come off as the scummier of the two IMHO. While you're accusing Tywin of not reading your posts (and it my or may not be true), you asking him if it's his first game shows you're not reading ANYONE's posts. You could not have asked him that (and asserted it was a real question) if you took note of my #7 or my #52, for instance. You could not have "comprehended" Tywin's 396 or Vifam's 594 either as they implicitly indicate they played together before. DO you want me to ISO NC and/or Zefiend as well to see if they mentioned or hinted having played with Tywin recently?

[Almost50]

you asking him if it's his first game shows you're not reading ANYONE's posts.

Is this really the sticking point you two are going with?

What the fuck happened to the players on this site

Again, no sensible response.. just another discredit. That's a great play style you're adopting.

[Almost50]

1 d 19 h left. Do we want to put someone on L-1 now or do we want to wait for the final 30 min and either speed lynch or get a claim and NL??

My valid lynches are Maria/Majiffy/Socrates, so pick one if you're not voting any of them.

[Almost50]

Maria's @L-2

[Almost50]

@Clumsy: That was a clumsy move (pun intended). It's poor play at best fro a globally scum-read player to hammer when there are balls involved.

[Almost50]

rip.
Good shot.
btw I'm just wondering who has the 4-star Dragonball?

Why rge 4-star in particular?

Also

VOTE: Socrates

[Almost50]

Then it goes w/o saying that scum got it and you didn't think they'll claim, did you? In other words, your question smells. It seems like posturing for Town cred.

[Almost50]

to give gin an excuse for a page top obvi

So, you're saying that was Townie move ( ), but still.. why ASK who got it now?!

[Almost50]

FoS @Gin.

[Almost50]

@Tywin:

Because by the end of the previous day I had deduced it was either Maria + Clumsy OR Majiffy + Socrates, and with Maria flipping Town and Majiffy flipping scum I'm left with no choice but to go for the one I most associated with Majiffy in my mind.

[Almost50]

I didn't have to "say it". It was implicitly understood. Even if it wasn't, it still is how I thought and had it noted in my text file anyway.

[Almost50]

no proof

So? Even you assume I didn't, I am now doing it. So what's your point?

[Almost50]

@Alisae: We basically agreed that we should hold on to ONE ball if we ever have it, and we only pass "what's more than one". THIS is the Zefiend argument I had repeatedly stated was even better than my own and the reason why TR him.

Now, hypothetically speaking: Let's assume Imperium already started with a ball. Had you held on to yours then if they OR you get NK'd; Scum would collect ONE ball. You passing yours (which was the only one I presume) meant they get none if they NK you and TWO if they NK Imperium.

Now, the N1 NK doesn't necessarily relate to reads and how good/bad they are. N1 NKs either target the most Town read player, the most skilled player, or the one scum suspect is a PR. (Most TR'd = hard to lynch, most skilled = could put 2 & 2 together with some flips, and a PR could return a guilty). Now Scum are going to hunt the Vig, most probably.

Now you admitted you weren't thinking when you passed the ball. You obviously didn't think when you asked who got it now either. SO DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE RESPOND TO ME WITH GARBAGE LIKE "Oh you don't like it? WELL THAT'S TOO FUCKING BAD HUH?". You don't want me riding your sorry ass.. trust me. One more response like that and I AM "going to be" rude to you. This time I'm being NICE.

[Almost50]

OK, fair enough. Also that was a good point about the Vig. "Maybe" they have the balls if Majiffy was the one who shot Imperium. If they had them though, I'm sure the're going to distribute them on their TRs so nobody would have a bulk of them (it would be 2 at max)

[Almost50]

@Tywin: I'm working on figuring things out. I'd appreciate your patience before I respond.

@Socrates: Since you are still around, would you care to explain what about "this specific vote count and the pages leading up to it" you wanted us to remember?

"I would have been here sooner but I was too busy plowing your mother!"

Vote Count 1.03

MariaR

(0/7)

-

Clumsy Phoenix

(0/7)

-

Imperium

(0/7)

-

Majiffy

(1/7)

- Not Chara

Almost50

(3/7)

- ɀefiend, Albert B. Rampage, Majiffy

Not Chara

(3/7)

- Socrates, Imperium, Alisae

Tywin Lannister

(0/7)

-

Alisae

(1/7)

- Tywin Lannister

Vifam

(0/7)

-

ɀefiend

(0/7)

-

Desperado

(0/7)

-

Albert B. Rampage

(3/7)

- MariaR, Desperado, Vifam

Socrates

(0/7)

-

Not Voting:

Clumsy Phoenix, Almost50

Notes:

- Trying out the new format. Let me know your thoughts[/color]

(expired on 2017-04-04 12:55:00) until the end of Day One.
With thirteen alive, it takes seven to lynch.

Fascinating. Remember this specific vote count and the pages leading up to it tomorrow if I'm no longer around.

mod: can the mafia pass balls when they are tied for leading wagon?

[Almost50]

@Tywin: I skimmed the ISO'd of the Socrates, Desperado and NC, and I have confidence in NC being Town. Tone, trying to sort me early, and explicitly asking for the hammer vote all point to Town!NC. Like, I can't see Scum!NC being bold enough to say "I want hammer" in a game where hammer = acquiring a ball.

I can't find anything on Desperado to make me confident on his alignment either way. I don't even remember why I Town read him yesterday.

Socrates I have a problem with his tine and I get the feeling he's being obscure on purpose, but then he now asks for a massclaim. I can wait for him to clarify and I may change my mind afterwards, but for now let's just say I SR him based on the tone of his posts more than anything else.

And yes, I can see scum defending their mastermind that blatantly. Nobody expected Majiffy will flip so soon anyway since nobody was listening to you, and they certainly had no idea there was a Vigilante in the game, so why wouldn't they? Now, let's look at it from the opposite direction: What do you think of the way Majiffy interacted with Socrates? Do you think it's mire likely to come from (Confirmed Scum) Majiffy towards Town!Socrates or Scum-buddy!Socrates?

[Almost50]

RE: Massclaim, and after reading and considering all arguments, I vote Nay!

Now, Socrates did bring in an interesting idea though, which is the Serial Killer. I was wondering why everyone is assuming Vig and not SK, but I don't know the flavour. him saying a certain character fits the SK role perfectly though makes me thing the SK is a real possibility that we should consider.

@Socrates: You do know you need to pass that ball in case you get NK'd. Right? I mean, I do not necessarily agree your claim was a bad move because I was going to push you if it wasn't for it, but I don't understand why you ALSO claimed you received that ball. Makes you an even bigger target IMHO.

VOTE: Desperado Going to sheep Tywin blatantly here until further notice.

[Almost50]

I think our vote going onto Desperado will be L-1, but I'm on mobile,

I confirm.

Desperado (4/6): Albert B. Rampage, Alisae, Tywin Lannister, Almost50,

[Almost50]

But not if they have a Strongman. Just saying.

[Almost50]

However, if we consider the SK rather than the Vig, then I suspect it's the SK who has a Strongman modifier (if there's one) and not the main Mafia.

[Almost50]

pedit: why do you say that?

Because it's the common modding meta to give the "lone scumster" the strongman and/or the BP shot for balancing. In larges they receive BOTH even, but this is not a large and if we believe Socrates is a Town Doc then he could not tell the alignment of his target so SK is likely not BP but more likely to have the Strongman.

[Almost50]

@ABR: Alisae didn't steal the hammer though. Clumsy did.

[Almost50]

Since mod stopped with the Guru-Nail stuff I thought I'd post some of my own.

[Almost50]

@Chara: I gave up on reading those walls back and forth. If anything I'd say I'm content with my vote where it is right now (Desperado), and displeased by Tywin vs Chara engagement. You're both Town in my book, but you're seeing things from different perspectives.

P.S. I'm not fully concentrating today. My brain is malfunctioning. I thus decided to post as little as possible everywhere unless there is a pressing reason for me to actually indulge, and I see nothing much in this thread that should prompt me to post. We're all waiting on some heavenly revelation it seems, so I'll wait for one as well.

[Almost50]

no one is waiting for anything.
why are you content to sheep Tywin and not sheep me? why are you scumreading Desperado?

Because Twin is the one making the right move and not you??

By the way, I'm NOT sheeping Tywin "blindly". You'd notice I didn't take my vote off Desperado when Tywin did. I kept my ground until he came back to this wagon, and that's why my name appears before his on the wagon.

[Almost50]

PoE. You are Town, Tywin is Town, ABR is likely Town by play, Socrates is likely Town by claim, Zefiend is likely Town by my own read (explained before), Clumsy is likely Town (post-flip association with Maria). Even Alisae is a Town lean still, so it leaves Desperado and Vifam for the scum slots.

Now let's try it another way:

MariaR

(7/7) - Desperado, Almost50, ɀefiend,

Imperium

, Alisae,

Majiffy

, Clumsy Phoenix,

The theoretical distribution of scum votes on Maria's wagon dictate there has been one in the leading 3 votes (O don't think Maria would have got 5 Town votes with Tywin opposed to it), so which of the 3? I know it's not me, so it's either Desperado or Zefiend, and -again- I'd lynch Desperado of the two.

Finally, that vote on Maria was parked there since 535, and while having claimed it was as much his wagon as it was mine I don't really see a real case presented by him in his ISO. It was where he felt most comfortable to vote-park and defend his grounds.

Weaker indications in Desperado calling Majiffy vs Tywin TvT (but then ABR also did, so that's mute in the perspective of justifying a Desperado vote over an ABR one).

[Almost50]

im in of namekians elite warriors, vt

Your character's name is "in"??

[Almost50]

@Desperado:

OK.. what's you're character's name then?

Also, why don't you try to sell me the "ABR is scum" case? Let's pretend I've just replaced in, and you are going to show me the light. You will include quotes or links to posts and explain why scum!ABR said or did this. Consider me neutral and have no reads on either of you, so I'd be willing to listen and evaluate everything you say if you care to put it in a neat form. Can you do that, please?

[Almost50]

Yeah, this is not scum.

UNVOTE:

[Almost50]

Explain why.

His tone matches that of a VT that has just given up. I still want his flavour though.

[Almost50]

what else beyond "one of namekian's elite warriors" are you looking for?

Doesn't that elite warrior has a name???

[Almost50]

Explain why.

His tone matches that of a VT that has just given up. I still want his flavour though.

You think everyone is town except tbe lurker. You are wrong somewhere.

I know I must be, but I'm unable to tell where.

Btw, happy scumday

[Almost50]

LOL. Only just now. I just saw the colour of each flip and didn't pay attention to names.

OK. Fair enough. But actually doesn't help support my read on you. I don't even know if Kuroi would provide a nameless character for a fake claim, so I'm torn between this being your real character and you opting to drop the fake claim Kuroi provided you and copy Imperium's role!!

Let me think about this..

[Almost50]

OK.. I'll sheep Tywin on this one now. I don't claim to have the ability to read Alisae's play with any accuracy. He seems to play "however it comes" to me as either alignment. Erm.. I don't even recall playing with Scum!Alisae actually. Well, whatever.

VOTE: Alisae

[Almost50]

@Chara: I've concluded that ABR is better left for the night action to sort. He is either Town, Scum or SK. Either Town/Scum the SK will want to take him out. Either Town/SK SCUM will want to take him out. The one thing that remains is if it's a Vig not SK, and then SCUM will take care of ABR if he is not scum.

In sum: ABR is dangerous to have around for long as either alignment. Whatever he is NOT is sure to deal with him, so let's not waste our time on that slot for now.

[Almost50]

A50 explain to them the difference between my town and scum game please.

I'm not an expert in your play, mate, but I'd say you lurk a lot when you're Scum. You hardly said a word in the main thread in FA's abandoned game.

[Almost50]

@ABR:

What worries me IS that you're well aware of your meta. You're no noob to this game. You could very well change and adapt. That's why I'm not 100% sure you're Town here.

@NC:

I didn't get the "no massclaim when we have so many mislynches left"!!! I thought the whole purpose of a massclaim is to minimize the pool of said mislynches.

I'm indifferent to massclaiming myself, but I'll just say this:

[Almost50]

A50 explain to them the difference between my town and scum game please.

I'm not an expert in your play, mate, but I'd say you lurk a lot when you're Scum. You hardly said a word in the main thread in FA's abandoned game.

Would you say I am manipulative as town?

Hmmm.. probably not, but I haven't played THAT many times with you. I mean, what's wrong with being manipulative as Town anyway?

Anyway, I suspect someone here is not playing optimally. I have no proof of it though, so I'm for lynching outside of ABR/NC/Socrates/Tywin today. I don't fancy a lynch on Clumsy/Zef/Desp either, so it's Alisae/Vifam for the lynch today for me. A massclaim may change all that tbh, but I won't do it unless we all agree (unanimously, not simple majority)

[Almost50]

@Chara: Off the top of my head.. ABR was in a hydra in Gistou and they were 3P but Town-aligned (eventually did win with the Town). He also lurked it out for most of the game while they were alive. He was super active in Bloodbourne though, so I think his level of activity here is NAI.

[Almost50]

Also, you know better than to try an meta someone of this caliber. Hell, you know better than to try and meta ME (and I'm NOT of that caliber). Once you know a player is well aware of their meta then the whole meta argument becomes null.

Now drop the meta and expand your horizon to see the possibilities. Town!ABR is a menace to scum (mafia or SK). Mafia!ABR is a prime NK target for the SK. SK!ABR is the one to get hit next by Scum. No way ABR makes it to LyLo as EITHER alignment.

[Almost50]

@Tywin: No. I definitely don't think this is scum theatre AT ALL. Moreover, if it's TvS then I don't know which is the Scum in the two, as I'm currently 95% confident in my individual reads on them. That means I'm 95% confident NC is Town, and 95% confident ABR is Town, so simple math dictates I'm 90.25% confident BOTH are Town (i.e. TvT).

Also them both not wanting a massclaim still (after I had pointed out someone might be playing less than optimally) totally destroys the theory I had been suspecting might be the case, and leaves me leaning towards another theory that necessitates both to be Town.

@ABR: Ok.. same question Tywin asked, but regarding Desperado. You say you ARE highly confident in him flipping scum, so would you be willing to get shot over that one? In other words, we lynch Desperado and if he flips Town you get shot tonight. If not, you and only you eat rope tomorrow?

[Almost50]

Almost: i think i asked you why ABR is town. you said he was town by play, and you're incredibly confident, but could you go into it? i can't rewire my thinking if players only have arguments for why ABR is

null

.

Just take it on faith for now. In my personal experience with him; ABR doesn't scum hunt when he IS Scum.

OK, let me put it this way: If it's a SERIAL KILLER (NOT a Vigilante) then it could very well be ABR. Only then does "Scum" ABR have reason to "scum hunt". If he IS the SK, he's shooting SCUM for now, and SCUM want him dead as well. Do my previous hints make sense to you now?? LET HIM BE, PUHLEASE!

[Almost50]

Yeah Almost is scum with Desperado.
Notice how quickly he is to jump off the Desperado wagon when a viable counterwagon arises.

OMGUS doesn't scare me, and you should know better.

Also, Zef has been on you for the longest time and Tywin did vote you with him before, and I held my place on Desp back then so you're either REALLY bad or you're really not following.

I'll put it to you in a nutshell: There's this thing called a "claim" that Desperado did. This was a pivotal point in my read on him switching. You -on the other hand- have not changed your mind, so maybe you can provide me with your own case on Desperado and -while at it- try to link him to flippend Scum Majiffy for starters. Who their third might be is also a bonus, but is not a requirement.

[Almost50]

im in of namekians elite warriors, vt

didnt start with a ball and never got one

A fakeclaim

Explain please

[Almost50]

im in of namekians elite warriors, vt

didnt start with a ball and never got one

A fakeclaim

Explain please

It's called common sense.

Interesting. And why does common sense tell you that this is a fake claim?

[Almost50]

It conflicts with Nacho's role.
And even if it was real, there's 3 of them going by the picture.
Chances are it's most likely a fakeclaim to get cheep towncred.

You do realize Kuroi actually provides his scumsters with fake claims. Right?

[Almost50]

OK, that's an explanation, but what about your original case on him? Why did you opt to vote him in the first place?

[Almost50]

Accepted. But now I have a problem with this:

OK.. I'll sheep Tywin on this one now. I don't claim to have the ability to read Alisae's play with any accuracy. He seems to play "however it comes" to me as either alignment. Erm.. I don't even recall playing with Scum!Alisae actually. Well, whatever.

VOTE: Alisae

This vote also reeks.

Why does my sheeping of Tywin reek while you sheeping ABR is fine?

[Almost50]

The bolded has already been nulified by:

Also, Zef has been on you for the longest time and Tywin did vote you with him before, and I held my place on Desp back then so you're either REALLY bad or you're really not following.

[Almost50]

So? Oh.. it seems you do not understand. OK.. let me try to simplify things to you:

Zef was vote parking on you. Tywin voted Desperado. I sheeped Tywin on Desperado. Are we good so far?

Next: Tywin changed his mind and switched his vote to you. I kept my vote on Desperado. Are you following? Back then it was 3 votes on Desp vs 2 on you,

Then, Tywin switched back to Desp again, and I was still on that wagon.

Then Desp claimed, and it changed my read on him, so I unvoted.

Then Clumsy voted Desp bringing him back to 4 votes. Then Tywin decided to go back to you, and ONLY THEN did I vote you.

Now do you understand how it went?

[Almost50]

Hell Zef didn't even make a huge push on me. He just placed a naked vote on me and moved on.

And that's why I didn't sheep Zef. I didn't sheep Tywin the first time either because I still had reason to stay on Desp back then.

[Almost50]

Almost if your vote is on me, why are you trying to reason with me?
I'm scum to you. (Your progression is still terrible)

What if I'm wrong? And this -again- proves you're not even reading this game, let alone have no idea how I play. I did talk to Desp back and forth while I was voting him. I was arguing with Maria yesterday while I was voting her. I do not just drop my vote an leave. I like to give the lynch candidate a chance to show me they are not the right lynch if they could.

[Almost50]

So, what makes you Town in this game? Who do you think is Scum and why?

[Almost50]

Desperado and Vifam slot I already stated why for both of those.

So you're telling me nothing in Desperado's recent posts convinced you or even put a seed of doubt in your read on him? Nothing of the Tywin, NC or my posts made you consider you might be wrong on this read?

[Almost50]

OK. Thank you for your patience and input. Unfortunately that's not good enough for me to unvote you at this time.

[Almost50]

As I said, anyone who has been paying attention would deduce I'm Super Kami Guru, and I hereby command Nail to come scratch my nose for me.. from the inside, you boon!

[Almost50]

I'm not claiming my role, but it's obviously NOT that of the vig.

[Almost50]

It does, but it's not "crystal clear". I'll trust your judgement though.

[Almost50]

I PRODDED SOCRATES 8 HOURS AGO IM SORRY TO FORGET MENTIONING THAT

I had the intention of formally reprimanding you, but I ran into a nice beautiful dame and she convinced me otherwise after having seen your avi.

[Almost50]

I also revealed receiving the ball because I wanted people to know that ClumsyPheonix did that. What do YOU make of him doing that?

Town who trusted you or scum p with you (in which case this may or may not be true to begin with). There's no 3rd way about it. Scum will not pass a ball to Town and Town would not lie about receiving a ball. Since we all chose to trust you then you should be both Town.

[Almost50]

I'm to lazy to go look up a game in search. A link would be good, or -maybe- a short explanation of the orbs function in the setup.

[Almost50]

OK. Gotcha. Thanks.

[Almost50]

I asked you specifically because it runs counter to the strategy you endorsed of every townie holding onto ONE dragonball. I'm surprised you didn't raise an eyebrow when I believe you did at Alisae.

There's a slight difference there: Alisae's "target" was NK'd so I have nothing but his own word for it. Clumsy is still alive and so are you, so that makes two of you that confirm the ball has been passed. I still believe it was sub-optimal play, but -at least- we still know where the ball is if you're telling the truth.

[Almost50]

Hmm.. too bad I stepped in just in time before I get prodded

[Almost50]

Why do I get the feeling that's we're all moving in circles here? I'll hammer Desperado if that's what it takes to move on, but I fully expect him to flip just what he claimed to be, i.e. a VT.

[Almost50]

I know Alisae claimed in 2013.

Jas it been 4 years already since that claim???

[Almost50]

Faint apathy towards whoever gets lynched + implicitly framing the killer as an obvious SK to others while encouraging them to kill without pressuring them to kill a particular person/set of persons.

That's actually a very good remark, and it contradicts Alisae's claim he feared he might be NK'd. How do you fear being NK'd and yet want the killer UNleashed??

[Almost50]

@Desperado: Please come to Alisae

[Almost50]

It is now up to Tywin. He can hammer Desp or he can come join the Alisae wagon. If he does the latter, Desp is a no go.

[Almost50]

Naaaaail!! I said I wanted Alisae lynched already, so why isn't he still?? Do I have to hammer you on your head? Or should I use the season flavour and nail you to a cross? (All "nail" puns intended).

[Almost50]

@Alisae:

So, scum would defend you because you are easily pocketed, but scum are also on your wagon and not on Desperado's. Can you see any contradictions here at all???

[Almost50]

So, it's an SK for sure. A Vigilante would not have shot the Doctor. (I would also want to use 2310 to support this but I know everyone will disagree for the sake of disagreement and then Kuroi will have to post again to assert his posts cannot be interpreted either way.. etc.)

ABR is the most probable SK. It's up to everyone to decide on whether to lynch him today or leash him (noting that he was supposed to be unofficially leashed last night, nut he shot Socrates in particular).

Scum are probably Alisae and Lycan, but Clumsy could be it, considering he passed the ball to the one who got shot by Mafia as well, so it's like a 1-2 maneuver.

VOTE: ABR

P.S. If there's an investigative they probably have a result by now. I'm not quite sure if there is one though.

Finally, if we lynch the SK I cannot die tonight. I'm 1-shot BP, so it takes two shots to kill me, and we had 2 NKs on N1, which means I wasn't shot. On N2, the clarification makes me think both shots were on Socrates, so -again- I wasn't shot.

[Almost50]

I aid that they did NOT target me on either nights. Please reread.

[Almost50]

2 killers.. 2 shots .. 2 deaths = I wasn't targeted on N1.

2 killers .. 2 shots .. 1 dead body = I "could" have been targeted on N2. HOWEVER, "the one who shoots first gets the ball" implies both shots were fired on the same target, thus I wasn't targeted on N2 either.

[Almost50]

2 killers.. 2 shots .. 2 deaths = I wasn't targeted on N1.

2 killers .. 2 shots .. 1 dead body = I "could" have been targeted on N2. HOWEVER, "the one who shoots first gets the ball" implies both shots were fired on the same target, thus I wasn't targeted on N2 either.

so you're not informed of your BP being used up? that's annoying.

if Almost is town we definitely have an SK.

No. I don't get told if it's been used (at least there's nothing in my role PM that says I get notified).

Also, it's more evident that it's a Serial Killer we have from tonight's flip. Why would a TOWN VIG ever shoot a claimed Town Doctor? Even if they suspected him they would have waited to see if Mafia would shoot him.

[Almost50]

OK.. I won't push for a massclaim, but I strongly recommend everyone would post a full read list. That way if an investigative existed and they got NK'd we can refer to their read list and figure out who they must've gotten a result on (either cleared by being put towards the top, or a guilty being placed at the bottom).

Mine is:

Tywin
Music/Chara
Clumsy/Alisae/Lycan
ABR

[Almost50]

I can see what Tywin is saying, although I always thought Chara was an investigative.

Regardless, even if we consider the SK between ABR/NC I'd be slightly inclined to vote ABR over Chara for one specific reason: Chara probably would not have shot the Doctor tonight (if I know anything about how they operate as scum). As Mafia they might, but as a lone 3P I very much doubt it. SK!Chara would've probably shot ABR or me (ABR over me because I'm fully TRing them).

They didn't shoot ABR (he's alive) and didn't shoot me (refer to my reasoning for believing both shots were on the Doctor).

Now even I could get into a WIFOM viral negating my own proposition. For instance, what if Socrates protected me? Or what if I was shot anyway. In both cases that doesn't explain why Kuroi posted that addendum. So, we're back to BOTH SHOT WERE ON SOCRATES, and thus it's unlikey Chara is the SK.

[Almost50]

ALMOST WHAT IS YOUR FLAVOR?

How about you read, mate?? I claimed it yesterday, I'm Super Kami Guru. The fat guy that orders Nail around. I've been crumbing it all game and I explicitly claimed yesterday.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Almost
Please stop ignoring me.

This is a very bad vote. Not town at all.

it does give me an outside idea though that Alisae is scum with Lycan and only voted there for distancing. I will hold my thoughts until ABR is flipped and then will reevaluate (probably for the last time). I still think Chara is Town here. If not; then I need to pay more attention to their play next time we meet as separate entities.

[Almost50]

Oh.
Okay yeah that's a fucking scum claim.
You're saying the town has a 1-shot BP because why?
That sounds a lot more like something the SK would have to prevent them from getting rekt by the scumteam.
Or for scum to have against the SK.
That just doesn't make sense for town to have a 1-shot BP and a doc.

I didn't design the setup, so I can't respond to this. All I have is a role PM. Gun to my head I'd say Kuroi wanted to give the Guru something special other than a VT status. Guru should be protected (if I understood what little I saw from the flavour) but is too lazy to do anything by himself.

Other than that, I simply don't have an answer.

[Almost50]

I don't know and I don't think he did. I'd probably suggest he protected Tywin. If he passed him the ball then he hard TR'd him AND wanted him alive.

[Almost50]

I'm a 3rd party vig who wins when either I live until the end or I gather all the dragonballs. Vegeta is my flavor. I shot a50 yesterday. Scum shot Socrates. I also killed majiffy.

I suggest you leave me alive today again to shoot a50 tonight and test his claim. I think hes Freeza, scum BP.

SCUM CLAIM!

I am NOT a BP.

Once again, my gambit works PERFECTLY!

I repeat:

I am a VT

and I am NOT BP. ABR IS LYING ABOUT HIS SHOT TARGET. HE SHOT SOCRATES AND DIDN'T RECEIVE A BALL SO HE ASKED KUROI AND KUROI POSTED THE ADDENDUM.

Nyahahahahahahahaha.. GOTCHA!

[Almost50]

right.
and really we can't trust that you won't just win and town will lose if you gather the dragonballs.

pedit: yes, it really is. but do you not have any abilities?

No abilities. I have a fakeclaim. Its nail, town vig.

You can check site meta, ive never seen any 3p role that ends the game when they win.

So yes you can trust that town doesnt lose when i win. We both win. Its site meta.

And it would suck gameplay wise to lose like that so mods never do that.

Liar liar liar liar. You're the SK 100% (@Tywin. I win )

[Almost50]

HAHAHAHAHA.. CAUGHT SCUM. The problem here is BOTH Tywin and Chara will KNOW I'm 100% telling the TRUTH because they both have seen me do it before.

Tywin: I faked a Vig shot on him (I was out of shots) when he was the last scum alive in Timeshift.
Chara: Played enough games with me (either separately or in the hydra) to know EXACTLY why I just pulled this one off.

Now.. EVEN YOU; ABR have seen me Town!gambit in Gistou, claiming a PGO when I was a Town Vig.

Sorry, mate.. but you busted. You lose 100%, so step aside, eat rope and make way for the TOWN WIN!! *Woohoo*

[Almost50]

I claimed everything 100% truthfully so where is the trap exactly?

You lied about shooting me. You didn't shoot me. You shot Socrates or Tywin (most probably Socrates).

[Almost50]

You would have gotten me lynched without claiming so its funny to me lol.

If you are town, socrates protected you.

But i think youre scum.

I had to be sure before I lynched you, and NO.. Socrates would HAVE HAD TO PROTECT TYWIN if he passed him the ball. It doesn't even make sense to hand the ball to the towniest slot in the game then protect someone else, leaving Tywin out to dry.

[Almost50]

ABR gets lynched, flip confirms he was telling the truth, even i would be willing to lynch Almost at that point. Almosr is not scum.

OK.. but one condition.. YOU hammer. Then you pass the balls (or don't) at your own discretion and -if still alive- tell us how many balls you got off ABR.

@Tywin: I've just proved NC to be TOWN, btw.

[Almost50]

well, ABR helped.
UNVOTE:
i'm fine to hammer.
but i meant that to mean you aren't scum because ABR flipping as a third-party vig would screw you over.

oh dear, was that hammer?

NC: What IS a "3P Vig" but an SK???

But I'm NOT worried. I'm perfectly fine getting lynched tomorrow (or shot by scum tonight). I've already cleared you in Tywin's eyes, so this should be auto-win for Town regardless of my survival.

[Almost50]

UNVOTE:

Be proud but remember i am a very bad liar. Easily caught lol

Oh, if that's for me.. I still hold you REALLY high as a player, mate. You're one to look for. But now I know why you tend to lurk as a scumster.

You played it well though. Sorry to have been the one to have to end it for you.

[Almost50]

If you are scum its less impressive though

Well, I'm NOT. I don't do these crazy gambits as scum.

Ask Chara, Tywin, Mastina, Cerb, Titus ...

[Almost50]

Actually, the lynch pool after this is in Clumsy/Alisae/Lycan. Everyone else fought against the Desperado lynch and Desperado had to hammer himself eventually to get us to this status.

So, of the 3 in the lynch pool, whoever has a Town PM knows the other two are scum 100% now, and knows not to oppose Tywin/Chara/Music because they're 100% Town at this point.

P.S. And JUST TO BE ULTRA SURE, tomorrow we should lynch Alisae. Flipping him as a scum will cut the road on anyone who tries to WIFOM Music Box (by claiming both Alisae & Desperado were Town wagons).

[Almost50]

Actually, the lynch pool after this is in Clumsy/Alisae/Lycan. Everyone else fought against the Desperado lynch and Desperado had to hammer himself eventually to get us to this status.

So, of the 3 in the lynch pool, whoever has a Town PM knows the other two are scum 100% now, and knows not to oppose Tywin/Chara/Music because they're 100% Town at this point.

P.S. And JUST TO BE ULTRA SURE, tomorrow we should lynch Alisae. Flipping him as a scum will cut the road on anyone who tries to WIFOM Music Box (by claiming both Alisae & Desperado were Town wagons).

I think I'm okay with this, but why is Music 100% town? I'm missing something.

He was strongly opposed to the Desperado lynch and kept his ground until Desperado himself decided to hammer.

[Almost50]

Almost: hahahaha.
yes, that's town Almost alright.

UNVOTE:
Yeah, that seems like a towny move. I agree with you, here.

Almost, what did you get out of the responses to your gambit?

ABR claimed he shot me. If he did then I should've died. Look at the following posts and watch him concede being the SK. That's what I got!

[Almost50]

He was strongly opposed to the Desperado lynch and kept his ground until Desperado himself decided to hammer.

Not so much opposed to the lynch as to those who were pushing it on very flimsy grounds. Alisae's 2258 just quoted ABR's reason for voting Desp. I asked for more details in 2274 and Ali just threw some more quotes at me which didn't answer the question. Not Chara just repeated what ABR said about Desp, in 2278. When I went back to look for myself I found that it wasn't true. Their push wasn't just flimsy, it was based on a lie. But when I tried to post that the thread was locked.

Not Chara though was voting Alisae and refused to move to Desp too. This is how the day ended:

Alisae (4/6): Music Box, Almost50, Not Chara, Tywin Lannister,

That was after Desp left the wagon to hammer himself.

[Almost50]

CAN I DO IT?
CAN I DO IT?

If you mean vote him, go ahead. We should definitely help the mods by lynching this anyway. I mean, who would want to replace into a scum slot that has already claimed?

[Almost50]

FINALLY! I was holding on posting this until you got your page top!

@Alisae: Quit being silly. You're not hammering, like EVER. The only acceptable hammers are by me, Chara or Tywin.

[Almost50]

@Clumsy: Just place your vote there. That'll be L-2. We can wait for Lycan to show up if you all want to, but -at least- we will ready to move on. I'd unvote too and let Alisae vote if that would help. but I think it's ok to assume everyone else is also willing to vote and give Chara the hammer at this time.

The plan is for Chara to distribute the balls, so -say- they get 4 from that hammer, I get one, Tywin gets one, Music gets one and Chara keeps one. If EITHER of us gets shot it's just 1-2 balls lost.

[Almost50]

Nice gambit btw Almost50

Thank you.

I just felt jealous of you, Chara & Desp already. You nailed Majiffy early, Chara was pushing ABR, and Desp's self-hammer really helped us a lot. That was the best town self-hammer I ever saw. So, I wanted in too.

[Almost50]

So I'm on a computer and everything now.

I'm guessing no one has any questions for me?

I do, but you probably won't answer it: WHO IS SCUM??

[Almost50]

[umvote][/unvote]

Just to make sure.

[Almost50]

UNVOTE:

[Almost50]

The Lycan sequence of posts from 2472 to 2476 are practically a scum claim collectively. That's cool.

However, I just need this to be rephrased as I didn't fully understand:

why did you vote alisae yesterday when you were treating like them town, a50?

Did I TR Alisae BEFORE I voted him or AFTER?