Mini 1895: Shaziro Mafia - GAME OVER

[DeathRowKitty]

Vote: implosion

you know what you did

6. Prods will be sent out after 48 hours of inactivity. These will be announced in thread. At player request (if reasonable), I can "Poke" another player. This will not count as a prod.

Mod, please poke implosion

[DeathRowKitty]

Aw, I can't stay mad at you~

Unvote: implosion

Vote: IAlwaysWinSometimes

[DeathRowKitty]

I still want you poked though

[DeathRowKitty]

cooldog, this game was really nice and pleasant. Is there a reason you feel the need to inject so much rudeness?

Yeah wtf why would he call me scum

Oh

did

you

mean

the

thing

about

ConManMick

being

a

degenerate

drunk

I

thought

that

was

just

true

sorry

ilu conman i no srs pls no kill me #squirrelsquad

[DeathRowKitty]

Does anyone have any ideas who's scum with iaws and boon? I'm having a lot of trouble figuring it out

Third scum is horrordude. First scum might not be IAWS though.

[DeathRowKitty]

I really like Desully he is COLD AND LOGICAL I am going to buddy him a bit so i can turn on him more easily when I have enough evidence to decide that he's the remaining scum.

[DeathRowKitty]

Mmkay.

I'll tell you what; I'll follow the first person to leave the CMM wagon onto whatever wagon they want, as long as it isn't on me.

[DeathRowKitty]

speak of the devil!

VOTE: cooldog

Is this you taking me up on my offer?

[DeathRowKitty]

Were you intending to take me up on the offer (is that what the "speak of the devil!" meant??) or were you just changing votes?

Either way, I'm a frog of my word so

Unvote: IAlwaysWinSometimes

Vote: CooLDoG

fite me

[DeathRowKitty]

VOTE: DeathRowKittyCat

[...]

it's RVS so it's NAI

[...]

Hope that makes sense.

It really doesn't

[DeathRowKitty]

Were you intending to take me up on the offer (is that what the "speak of the devil!" meant??) or were you just changing votes?

Either way, I'm a frog of my word so

Unvote: IAlwaysWinSometimes

Vote: CooLDoG

fite me

not an omgus, but you literally just said you like the cmm wagon. Seems like fishing for the easiest wagon to be on, as superhans points out in his next post.

I have no idea whatsoever where you're getting the idea that I liked the ConManMick wagon

[DeathRowKitty]

I am not going to waste time rebutting that. Shape up.

[DeathRowKitty]

I'll get to it eventually

[DeathRowKitty]

Your question contains its own answer. I said it because I wasn't planning on doing it right then. Like, do you stand up, apple in hand, hold it to your mouth, announce that you're going to eat it, and then immediately take a bite? That would just be ridiculous.

[DeathRowKitty]

I feel like this game is in some sort of weird alternate reality right now. Can we maybe just watch the CMM wagon dissolve without people saying weird things to me

[DeathRowKitty]

I'm just trying to nudge things in a certain direction right now. When everything settles a bit, we can grab whichever apples fell from the tree.

[DeathRowKitty]

The wagon was composed of 3/4 of the people I'd just called town.

This is so terrible that i cant actually believe it could come from scum.

Jesus. You can't just sheep your town reads. Either unvote or provide your own perspective.

I'm confused as to why you're giving implosion a free pass for blatant sheeping when you're voting me for the same thing. Can you explain to me how you view the earlygame and the role of early wagons?

[DeathRowKitty]

Okay, that doesn't tell me much, let me try doing this differently:

@Fitz, Yup.

Implosion

Froggy McKittens has shamelessly admitted to blindly following a wagon, not because

s

he thinks it necessarily contains scum, but because

s

he

liked the players on the wagon

was trying to use her vote as a bargaining chip to derail the CMM wagon wtf who even does that.
It would also not be difficult for even a slightly self-aware scum to say that the vote was a

pressure

vote on a

lurker

player who had made some bizarre comments early in the game. Therefore, I think

Implosion

Froggy McKittens is probably being honest, and

s

he genuinely just

sheeped town players

bargained away her vote as town.

What about the above reasoning do you disagree with?

[DeathRowKitty]

Difference in our play? Correct me if I'm wrong here, but you declared a scumread on me for one action and a townread on implosion for one action. You explained why I was scum by stating why you believed my action was scummy and you explained why implosion was town by stating why you believed his action was more likely to come from town. Where the heck does a "significant difference in our play" factor into this?

[DeathRowKitty]

You're kidding, right?

[DeathRowKitty]

/pagetop

Did you uhhh....actually read what it is I did that you're voting me for or....?

[DeathRowKitty]

Mmkay.

I'll tell you what; I'll follow the first person to leave the CMM wagon onto whatever wagon they want, as long as it isn't on me.

speak of the devil!

VOTE: cooldog

Is this you taking me up on my offer?

Were you intending to take me up on the offer (is that what the "speak of the devil!" meant??) or were you just changing votes?

Either way, I'm a frog of my word so

Unvote: IAlwaysWinSometimes

Vote: CooLDoG

fite me

What was I not transparent about here?

[DeathRowKitty]

You seem to think my primary concern here is changing your reads. It is not.

[DeathRowKitty]

Now if you can actually explain yourself instead of just calling me "[x]-fuck" for various values of x, that would be nice

[DeathRowKitty]

Mmkay, at this point I'm just going to assume that you're pretending not to understand rather than actually not understanding because I will lose I will lose far too much faith in the human race otherwise.

Unvote: CooLDoG

Vote: Superhans

[DeathRowKitty]

You're voting a wagon without genuineness supporting it.

Or at least making it clear whether you genuinely support it.

I don't think you do.

I don't understand how you could possibly read my posts and not be sure of this.

[DeathRowKitty]

Prod received. Was keeping brain-related activities to a minimum the past couple of days.

This game is terrible and I pretty much hate all of you except probably implosion because he's implosion and hopefully Desully I guess but probably not

WhemeStar wagon sucks, havingfitz votes are probably being wasted, CooLDoG makes me uncomfortable tbh but I'm more uncomfortable with the votes on that wagon than I am with anything about CooLDog himself. The rest of our votes are kinda worthless

I think that about sums up the current gamestate

Unvote: Superhans

Vote: Two Face

I believe that this is our next wagon. Get on it.

[DeathRowKitty]

VOTE: Twoface

IAWS is also a good candidate for scum right now

OH MY GOD I'M ON THE SAME PAGE AS SOMEONE

dude i am actually fucking excited about that

even though my reasons for thinking those things are not quite the same as yours they're close enough and i don't care my reasons are never the same as anyone else's anyway aaaaaaaaaaah!!!

Also agree on Wheme.

[DeathRowKitty]

alright new pages froggy mckittens is here to BRING THE PAIN

[DeathRowKitty]

peopled talked about a fruit vendor claim for like 3 full pages what the actual eff

I drew basically the opposite conclusions as implosion from all of it? Concerning.

IME, people claiming to believe that something makes them obvious town when it doesn't are scum more often than you would expect by random chance. What makes it actually concerning though in this particular case is that he hadn't been playing up to that point as though he was obvious town, even though he was aware that his predecessor softclaimed fruit vendor. Makes it seem pretty unlikely that he actually believed what he was saying

Superhans, on the other hand, gained some town points from me for his reaction. I thought his reaction made a lot of sense for someone incorporating a bizarre piece of information (fruit vendor??? wtf is that and why would it exist????) into their view of someone who had been a scum read (I can elaborate on how I see his reaction if anyone wants that). If it was a faked reaction, it was well choreographed and Superhans doesn't seem to me like the kind of person who would be particularly good at that.

Ok so I just saw the wheme claim and now I'm confused. If he is truly town, then the OMGUS vote on me is just bitterness/stupidity. I'm still torn though, because I really thought he was scummy. Can someone make a case on how wheme could still be scum? Otherwise I might have to hop off this wagon.

Last but not least, THIS is just horribly scummy. Look at the last two sentences. IAWS apparently doesn't even see how it's possible for WhemeStar to be scum anymore, yet really wants to keep his vote on him? I don't understand at all where implosion got the idea that this post comes across as genuine - is there anything at all about this that's relatable from a town mindset?

Unvote: TwoFace

Vote: IAlwaysWinSometimes

[DeathRowKitty]

This is a good thread. Theres lots to work with. I'm glad cmm got replaced because otherwise I was going to lynch him. Eddie why is pushing a null player scummy? That seems totally backward.

This really isn't much of a post for a thread in which there's lots to work with, bud. Did you get anything useful from the recent shenanigans? Also, why did you want CMM lynched? I can't find anywhere you ever explained it

[DeathRowKitty]

Do you think that what you just quoted is alignment-indicative?

[DeathRowKitty]

oh god how do we know if superhans is vla for one week or two???

Boon provided enough content that I'm comfortable removing my vote from him for now.

UNVOTE:

vote some1 else, u ninny

[DeathRowKitty]

ironically i started looking at iaws more and a certain part of his post jumped out at me as the part that i viscerally gut townread, and then i looked at drk's post and it's the specific part that she called out as scummy.

It's certainly odd to ask someone else to make a case on someone to justify your continued voting of them; i think if he's town it's sort of his acknowledging his own cognitive dissonance on the matter, and when i read those sentences they just don't sound like something that make sense for scum to type out, look at, say "huh, this sounds like a good idea to say" and then click the submit button. Which is an awful argument in general, but is also bad because i don't know anything of iaws's play and they're new on the site.

This doesn't stop me from still having a visceral reaction to it of "scum wouldn't say this", though.

From a gut feeling-ish point of view, the closest I can remember to feeling something that would make the IAWS post make sense was as scum in my first game on site. I was a bit frustrated and bitter and felt like we'd done so well to get votes on someone and here it was falling apart because of a claim. When people started to unvote, I was just quietly thinking

but you just thought this guy was scum, do you really have to unvote?

I certainly didn't say what IAWS said, but I think I can maybe see how someone in that same situation who thinks a bit differently than I do might wind up doing so. Like, don't get me wrong, if I were to list off things scum might say in that scenario, IAWS's post would probably not make a top 5 list or anything, but it also would very definitely not make a top 5 list of things town would say. I have to run so I don't have time to say much more about this, but I would really like to use the term

Bayes' Theorem

so I'm gonna do that okay bye

[DeathRowKitty]

i forgot that days had deadlines

[DeathRowKitty]

Will effortpost in a few hours. Ideally, we should get a claim out of our most likely lynch target tonight if possible

[DeathRowKitty]

I FELL ASLEEP LAST NIGHT WHEN I MEANT TO BE MAKING A POST AND THEN I SHOWED UP NOW 10 MINUTES AFTER HAMMER YEAH

[DeathRowKitty]

I FELL ASLEEP LAST NIGHT WHEN I MEANT TO BE MAKING A POST AND THEN I SHOWED UP NOW 10 MINUTES AFTER HAMMER YEAH

STILL MAKE THE POST YEAH

not worth now

CooLDoG wasn't a bad lynch from a pure individual scumminess standpoint, but from most other standpoints I really don't like it but idk it's better than a Superhans lynch I guess which was the third name being floated around

gonna go do things other than posting in this game

[DeathRowKitty]

can we not

[DeathRowKitty]

yea ik

and on that note

I FELL ASLEEP LAST NIGHT WHEN I MEANT TO BE MAKING A POST AND THEN I SHOWED UP NOW 10 MINUTES AFTER HAMMER YEAH

STILL MAKE THE POST YEAH

not worth now

CooLDoG wasn't a bad lynch from a pure individual scumminess standpoint, but from most other standpoints I really don't like it but idk it's better than a Superhans lynch I guess which was the third name being floated around

gonna go do things other than posting in this game

sorry but what the fuck is this post

now back to this post.

so you think CD is scum but a bad lynch? like, your first part says he's individually scummy, so what "other standpoint" are you referring too?
you profess you're against a hans wagon and don't even comment on iaws? what makes him a better lynch than hans?
why would you dodge discussion, pop in to talk about a post, just to say you're no longer making it? we need all the info we can get d2 so it makes no sense to me you won't at least make the short version of said post.

I still want answers

The entire post of yours you quoted is ridiculous to the point that I would feel silly answering any of it at all. I am not exaggerating when I say that

[DeathRowKitty]

Sure

so you think CD is scum but a bad lynch? like, your first part says he's individually scummy, so what "other standpoint" are you referring too?

This is just simple mafia theory + twisting of my words. Given how I've been playing this game, if you'd have an actual problem with my views on the CooLDoG wagon, you should also almost certainly have a problem with my play for all of day 1. Given you expressed no such thing, I see no particular reason to engage with you on the theory behind it.

you profess you're against a hans wagon and don't even comment on iaws? what makes him a better lynch than hans?

Did you really need me to talk about iaws in that one post specifically in order to know my opinions on him or his wagon? No, you did not. Same goes for the second half of that.

why would you dodge discussion, pop in to talk about a post, just to say you're no longer making it? we need all the info we can get d2 so it makes no sense to me you won't at least make the short version of said post.

I'm going to just kind of skip past giving a useful response to the "need all the info we can get" part of this because it's nothing more than mafia theory that's outdated by > 5 years. As for the rest of it, given when I meant to make that post, you should know already know the gist of what the post was going to be about and should understand why a lot of what I was going to post wasn't going to be useful at all come day 2. Bothering to write out the rest of the post was a waste of time when 1) I had other things to do 2) the thread may very well have been locked at any moment anyway


There, are you happy?

[DeathRowKitty]

Ftr, I'm checked out of this game in any meaningful way until people stop insulting each other. It's just not fun to play with all of that going on

[DeathRowKitty]

I dreamt about this game. My dream was kinda like the end of day 1 where I showed up only to find that a lynch had just been achieved, except in my dream it was on TDO, which I think was short for Two Ducks Over. It was a really stupid lynch.

I'm kinda caught up on this game. I skimmed most of the past few pages, but I'm not sure most of it needed more than that anyway. I'll post something useful later

/prodge

[DeathRowKitty]

goddammit

[DeathRowKitty]

i'm miller i just didn't think there was really any chance i'd be investigated this game and the current meta always has people wanting to lynch miller claims before lylo

[DeathRowKitty]

when i got my role i had this sinking feeling because i knew i was supposed to claim it and i didn't want to and i went and so i went and checked the normal archives to try to find an excuse not to do it and most of the most recent mini normals with millers either had no cop or cops that could only investigate on either odd nights or even nights and when i saw how the playerlist was i figured i had plenty of low hanging fruit to cover me and so i just didn't

[DeathRowKitty]

hahahahah fuck

[DeathRowKitty]

my hands are shaking i messed this up so badly i'm so sorry

[DeathRowKitty]

i honestly have no defense i can give you to this i was getting so frustrated at times this game with how stupid other people were acting and then in the end i'm the idiot fucking a

[DeathRowKitty]

hahahhahahahha

[DeathRowKitty]

stone cold that is how i always play

[DeathRowKitty]

i can count the number of people who would likely have investigated me night 1 on one finger

[DeathRowKitty]

someone should just awkwardly hammer me

[DeathRowKitty]

nope

[DeathRowKitty]

why didn't you hammer me in your previous post

[DeathRowKitty]

do i have time to try to call a scum team for bragging rights ummmmmmmmm

two face, stone cold, x

x is someone

idk

[DeathRowKitty]

i can't really think right now i'm still jittery

[DeathRowKitty]

i can count the number of people who would likely have investigated me night 1 on one finger

one finger!!



this was supposed to be a frog finger but then i drew it badly and didn't fix it and now it's just a messed-up green thing idk sorry town

[DeathRowKitty]

do i have time to try to call a scum team for bragging rights ummmmmmmmm

two face, stone cold, x

x is someone

idk

actually wheme would make a lot of sense in that team

[DeathRowKitty]

i'm not scum but tbh i'm doing this for personal pride reasons rather than because i think it will help after i'm dead god i'm a sack of useless

[DeathRowKitty]

i want a recount

[DeathRowKitty]

It was nice having you as an honorary member of the scum team, TwoFace. It's a shame you had to replace out so soon though. We really couldn't get by without the extra member.

[DeathRowKitty]

do we get to see the scum topic