PIRATES v. NINJAS! Game Over!

[mikeburnfire]

I confirm that I have read my role!

[mikeburnfire]

By the way, I would like to state that I am happy to be playing in a game with so many familiar faces.

DG, you've been fun on many occasions. Fritz, even though you'll need to be replaced soon and I used to think you were a bad player because all you cared about was dropping the hammah vote, you're still fun. Ibby, I've had lots of great times with you, especially when you, me, and PJ manipulated the town in Simon Mafia. MrBuddyLee, I look forward to being called MBL in this game because nobody can keep MBL and MBF straight in their minds. Rosso Carne, you've been fun in a few of my newbies. TSQ, Thok, you're good players too. vikingfan, I remember you from way back. Twomz, Thesp, Iammars, Kaleidoscope, I've played with all of you at one point or another. The rest of you, I appologize if I played with you before and don't remember, but I look forward to lynching each and every one of you.

I hope that we kill all the bad guys and only the good survive!

Can I get an amen?

[mikeburnfire]

Really? That avatar seems very familiar. Maybe I modded a game with you in it. Or just saw you around General Discussion a lot.

[mikeburnfire]

vote: thestatusquo

for reasons I don't feel like revealing at this time!

[mikeburnfire]

I don't like you how all are voting for arbitrary reasons. Join me in voting TSQ.

[mikeburnfire]

Random votes are for losers. Let's skip that phase.

[mikeburnfire]

Random votes are for losers. Let's skip that phase.

OK! You get us out of the random stage, and I'll give you a cookie!

I can't force other people to stop voting randomly. All I can do is coerce them.

[mikeburnfire]

So I need to get them out of the random voting stage to get a cookie, but I need a cookie to get them out of the random voting stage.

Great. It's page 3 and I'm already caught in a Catch-22.

[mikeburnfire]

You can not just break
your sentences up. Haikus
do not work this way.

[mikeburnfire]

You would do well to respond to my substantive points rather than quibble over my literary style.

It was difficult
to interpret what you say
when you talk like this.

In Ork Mafia, Gorrad, scum, copied my haikus/poetry.
I find it interesting that Fonz, UltimaAvalon, and MBF have done so here.

I find it funny
that I am on your short list
'cuz I spoke haikus.

[mikeburnfire]

I find it easier to distill the 17 syllables rather than make sense out of long paragraphs, personally.

I agree. I thought maybe you were post-restricted though, so your haikus were what I focused on, not what you were saying.

You instead attempt to not address the point I've made about you asking for us to exit the random stage while not taking one iota of effort to cause this to happen yourself, and you try to make it out as if your copying my use of haiku is the only reason I am suspicious of you. Your representation of my reasons for being suspicious of you is... lacking. At best.

Ohhhhh. Okay. Well, here's my rebuttal:

Can you prove that my vote was not random?

[mikeburnfire]

No one has responded in any meaningful way to my points about UA's pirate avatar, or Iammars's confirming with pirate flavor. I believe the latter is a stronger point, and merits a change of vote at this juncture.

Don't dismiss this out of hand -- Iammars confirmed with pirate flavor -- he could easily be ninja scum who thought pirates were townies (pirates v. ninjas, a reasonable assumption to make). By claiming with pirate flavor, he gains points as being ready to look like a pirate -- but it now appears pirates are scum, too.

It seems that at least one reasonable explanation is that Iammars is in fact ninja scum who wanted to look a pirate.

I see this entirely viable.

vote Iammars

Wow, that's pretty good logic, and is more solid than my suspicions against TSQ.

unvote, vote Iammars

[mikeburnfire]

I get good vibes from Thok!

[mikeburnfire]

I already did respond. Who's disregarding whom now?

[mikeburnfire]

Guardian, I missed the re-rebuttal. I really don't have a way to FORCE the town out of the random vote phase. I just really don't want it to take up the first 20 pages. I have a hard time staying focused when that happens in minis, let alone large themes.

And my vote was not random. It may have had reasoning behind it. I may have a guilty result on him. I may just be voting arbitrarily. But I am not voting randomly, and saying something along the lines of "[DICE[1y6]=13],

vote:tsq[/i]" does absolutely nothing for anybody.

MBF's 108 really, really bugs me. Why? Timing. He didn't even acknowledge my logic against Iammars's existence when he, in 90, responded to the same post that said logic was in.

I'm reading posts at random, in a way. I just see what was said lately and if I think I need to, I'll go back check a few posts I missed. Obviously this is not good play, but Day 1s bore me to tears.

And iammars, I've wanted to wish you happy BD for awhile, but I didn't want to make a new post just to do it, and whenever I do post I forget.

Happy Birthday. Now get lynched.

[mikeburnfire]

so beyond just reading new posts won't be happening anytime soon >.<

I hypocritically accuse Twomz of being scum because of this.

[mikeburnfire]

I do not hold Guardian's suspicions on me against him. I agree with almost everything he says.

I see that some people think the Iammars wagon is weakly justified, while others see it as a good day one lynch. I tend to agree with the latter, though I would like to have a few more suspects before the Day ends. To do this, I will have to sift backwards and determine if I think other wagons (like the one on Gorrad) have any foundation.

[mikeburnfire]

Did a quick reskim. I see why people think Gorrad is suspicious now, but I don't think he'll get my vote for it. Maybe later. I think Guardian and Thesp look pretty pro-town, and TSQ gives me a good feeling, as opposed to my first impression. Thok still looks clean too. I don't have anything bad against Claus either.

I guess the only ones that I really suspect are Gorrad, Iammars, and the lurker populous.

[mikeburnfire]

I really don't think the evidence is all that much stronger than the suspicions against Gorrad. Still, it's probably better than the case against Iammars. But I honestly don't see

any

kind of scum connection between Thesp and Thok.

unvote, vote Thesp

[mikeburnfire]

If we want to use confirmation posts as scumtells, why hasn't anyone brought up mbf's post where he said he would enjoy playing with mbl?

This is more of a "town-tell". Afterall, I can't enjoy playing with MBL if I kill him, can I?

[mikeburnfire]

[tries to reread]
[headache]

unvote, vote Iammars

Not so much for the piratey confirmation, but rather the claimed inability to find your role flavor in wikipedia.

[mikeburnfire]

I do not approve of Gorrad being day vigged, mainly because I was never very fond of his wagon to begin with.

[mikeburnfire]

Given the current vote count, I will

unvote, vote Twomz

, as he is one of the few players I do not mind killing today.

[mikeburnfire]

Dammit, guys. I really want to participate, but you keep making huge posts that I have to sift through. I feel like I'm in over my head here. After this game, I'm going to stick with minis.

[mikeburnfire]

do you seriously think that, at this point in the game, there was enough evidence against Mars to lynch him?

As good as any other reason

Twomz gave a very good explaination as to why he expects not to be able to post in the near future, and you still accuse him of being scum because of the fact he's busy!

I wasn't being serious.

[mikeburnfire]

I retract my vote on Twomz.

unvote

[mikeburnfire]

Still here. Still want to participate. Still don't have the force of will to sift through all the posts.

KD has the most votes. I don't care if he is lynched.

Thesp is second. I also do not mind if he is lynched.

Iammars is also second. I don't care here as well.

Guardian is next. I oppose a lynch on Guardian.

Gorrad is tied with Guardian, even though he's a mason. Bravo, guys.

[mikeburnfire]

I support this lynchwagon, but it seems a bit hypocritical of me because I don't feel useful either.

[mikeburnfire]

Also, I read something of Guardian's that confused me.

Again this makes me think we should get a lurker. I (wooh look, diverting attention to the biggest wagon) am beginning to appreciate the wagon on Kscope. I think Iammars is better, but heck, Kscope has a better shot at being scum than me, and his play right now would be GREAT play as scum in the Thok scumhunting world.

Guardian, why do you think Kscop has a better shot at being scum than you? Also, why would his play of active lurking be great? Furthermore, why do you want to go after lurkers?

[mikeburnfire]

Hooray. More irrelevant fluff.

Iammars

, you confirmed with pirate flavor and I found that to be suspicious. But this was back when we had nothing to go on. Does it bother you to be 800 pages in, and people are still discussing it like it's the most important thing that has happened?

If I recall correctly, and correct me if I'm wrong because I have trouble keeping this game straight, you said that wikipedia couldn't help you decide if your role was pirate/ninja/whatever. It seems to me that something like that would be pretty obvious. Why don't you tell me what your flavor is so I can look it up, if it's so difficult for you to define yourself?

[mikeburnfire]

This really rings warning bells in my head, as if Mike is supporting the wagon simply because it's a wagon.

Well, I suppose. I encourage participation in the game if possible. Even if I have trouble contributing myself, I'll partake in a wagon on this sort.

His actions seem to portray a general indifference to who gets lynched- see the 'I'm comfortable with lynching any of the top three atm' post. Even if they were all decent wagons, I find it hard to see it as pro-town to be basically indifferent between the main wagons.

Yeah, it's not sniper-precision here, it's a big ol' shotgun blast of buckshot. I concede that I am fairly indifferent as to who gets lynched today. I don't have much evidence, so I'm voting with my gut, for the most part. I don't have any positive reactions about those guys, I'm not going to weep if we lynch one of them.

For the record, of the two people you noted, I have good vibes about 1 and 3, and am neutral about your #2. Not neutral in the indifferent sort of way, because I really don't want to lynch people who've been strongly active, which Thesp has been. And given the choice between Guardian and KD, I'm going to vote KD.

vote: KaleiDoscope

[mikeburnfire]

^ Really? Because being hammered is one of the worst things that can happen to me, as it reduces the number of players on my side and worsens my chances of winning. Compared to that, voting for somebody I'm not sure about doesn't seem so bad.

And what do you mean by "Thok will probably hammer me"? You don't even have any votes on you at the moment.

FOS: TSQ

[mikeburnfire]

unvote, vote Rosso

=_=

[mikeburnfire]

Good morning, and praise the Lord! This brisk morning breeze has left me refreshed and renewed. Let us commence in killing the scum, my children.

vote: Guardian

[mikeburnfire]

I would like to quickly add that I trust Guardian's statement about there being only one other redcoat 0%.

[mikeburnfire]

I remember watching an anime with Sanada Yukimura in it. I was wondering why Thesp claimed a tertiary character in a less than popular cartoon, but then I wiki'd it and found that Sanada was a real person

Initially, I'm skeptical. Your power, if used, would not only end the day phase thus preventing a lynch, but is also a bit unbalanced, in the fact that if used improperly could leave three or four town dead if you are town. I can easily see this role as a pirate/ninja role. You end the day early, hurting the town, and if you kill a rival scum, you stay alive and look all the better. If you kill town, then you die, but hey you also killed town.

Samurai ~= Ninja

[mikeburnfire]

Thesp, what I meant was that if somebody really trigger-happy had your role, they could use it immediately Day 1, miss, and then the town would have your death, your target's death, the pirate kill, the ninja kill and the goblin kill. And no new information because your hastiness skipped a day. And while YOU may not be so cocky to do something like that, there are definitely people who would.

Kison makes a good point, too. I can't see how your role can be helpful, except to yourself if you disagree with the town.

(I personally would have chosen Samurai Jack as a fake claim. Much more believable.)

[mikeburnfire]

I'm not paying real close attention right now (busy RL), but there seems to be a lynch rising over erg0. Mind telling me why? If it's because Guardian singled him out last night, keep in mind that he also directed us to kill Thok, a now confirmed town.

[mikeburnfire]

If Thesp is telling the truth about his role, he should vig-kill his biggest suspicion at a random time or something. Trying to direct his role is too easily manipulated by scum.

[mikeburnfire]

But since the scum have knowledge of who NOT to lynch, their manipulation would be a bit more effective.

But I have doubts to the legitimacy of the role anyway.

[mikeburnfire]

Well, I certainly seem to have avoided this game long enough.

I don't think scum got fake claims in PS2SUX; we actually caught at least one scum (Romanus) because he claimed the same video game as another player.

I modded that game, and for the record the Nintendo Mafia had fake claims. The Microsoft Mafia (which Romanus was on) had a role that could kill players and take their role flavor (but had not successfully used it yet)

When I saw the missing arm from the night scene, I though it might have been attirubted to Grey Fox, the ninja from Metal Gear Solid. Enough banter, though. Down to brass tacks.

I don't like how Iammars suddenly speculates that there is a cult without any indication of such a faction, especially considering we already have 3 scum groups. Then he speculates that the Ninja group might just be a lone SK, even though we've already had a Ninja Finder and Ninja Protector come up dead. Then he claims Vampire Finder? Wait, what? That would mean that we have a Vampire scumgroup/SK that hasn't killed yet. He thought that his vampire-hunting role might have been a pirate? What the hell?

vote: Iammars

I know everybody's eager to have Thesp vig, ergo die, or speculate a cult, but I think that Erg0's claim could be fairly valid. It makes little sense, but a vampire red herring is viable. I feel that Iammars is just twisting this around and fake claiming Vampire Hunter so that we have Thesp kill erg0. Then we'd have a dead dayvigger, a dead miller-townie, and Iammars has a valid claim.

Keep in mind that when Erg0 claimed "Vampire", Iammars believed he was a "cult-immune townie". If he were truly a Vampire-Hunter, then why wouldn't he believe his role to be similar to DG's and Mgm's?

I want Iammars to die now. The evidence is far more concrete than the silly pirate confirmation Day 1.

Also, I would like EVERY player to repeat this phrase for me. Do not ask why just yet.

I, [your name here], want to kill all pirates, ninjas, and goblins, and want the town to win. Amen

[mikeburnfire]

Clever Mars, but unhelpful.

I have a good idea I know what mbf's role ability is.

Say nothing then.

And I didn't say that I was a cult-immune, I thought that Erg0 was.

My use of pronouns may have been misleading. Let me rephrase.

Keep in mind that when Erg0 claimed "Vampire", Iammars believed

erg0

was a "cult-immune townie". If

Iammars

were truly a Vampire-Hunter, then why wouldn't

Iammars

believe his role to be similar to DG's and Mgm's?

[mikeburnfire]

I don't believe we have a vampires scum group, but I thought that last bit about the town winning closed all loose ends.

I want all scum groups to lose and the town to win this game. Do you? That's all I want to know. I'm not demanding you say it verbatim. I just want to see how willing everyone is. So far, nobody else is willing to comply.

Iammars, my mistake. I thought Buffy was a vampire. I'm still voting you because your claim of Vampire Hunter seems opportunistic and contrasting to your earlier claim of not knowing if you were a pirate.

[mikeburnfire]

Iammars, my mistake. I thought Buffy was a vampire. I'm still voting you because your claim of Vampire Hunter seems opportunistic and contrasting to your earlier claim of not knowing if you were a pirate.

When I wasn't sure if I was a pirate or not, I thought that most of the town was split between pirates and ninjas, therefore I might be a pirate. Looks like that assumption was wrong.

Is that why you confirmed with a

"Yarr"

?

[mikeburnfire]

That brings Thesp up to 7 of 10. I am likely to switch over at deadline.

[mikeburnfire]

PS - kill RogueBen.

PS - don't direct the vig.

[mikeburnfire]

Your case is a bit more unique Thesp. ;3

[mikeburnfire]

What's up with the musketballs kill? That doesn't seem to be pirate-related. Do we have a British Invaders scumgroup as well?

[mikeburnfire]

Guardian was lying 100%.

Primate, why do you think Thesp is scum after he used his power?

[mikeburnfire]

Sorry. Got Thesp and Kison mixed up in my mind.

The pirates, especially, need to be shooting mafia tonight, just so they can get the other groups immunity to them down.

Scum directing scum? That was my first reaction.

I think I'm going to drop my case against Iammars for now. Although his play has been suspicious, with the Communist hunter dead it gives more credibility to Iammars's claim.

There are not 2 people in that goblin scumgroup. I'd be surprised if we only have two pirates/ninjas. Right now I'm thinking 3/3/3 for ninja/pirate/goblin, with "communist finder" and "vampire finder" as red herrings. Does anybody here want to claim communist or vampire?

Anyway, I won't vote Thesp or MBL today. I can see my way towards lynching Rogueben if I'm convinced enough.

[mikeburnfire]

Yes, obviously.

[mikeburnfire]

Oh, okay. Then yes, that's what I meant. You're telling the Pirates to essentially waste a kill tonight.

[mikeburnfire]

Maybe he fake claimed so people like you would be more willing to defend him.

[mikeburnfire]

This isn't helping you, Iammars.

Primate: I had some negtive feeling about Claus, but he's dead now. Without going back to see what people have said, I'd out CES and Iammars near the top of my list.

[mikeburnfire]

I think your theory is very intriguing ooba. It may also explain why Guardian wanted us to kill Thok, the goblin finder. We should look into this more because it definitely seems possible.

[mikeburnfire]

Oh. Yeah.

[mikeburnfire]

MBF: scummy, although when I read the game before Guardian was lynched, I thought MBF was town, because he defended Guardian while Guardian was being attacked a lot. Now we know Guardian is scum, we should take a closer look at this guy.

Yeah, but on Day 2 I suddenly turned and voted him immediately. Hint hint.

[mikeburnfire]

MBF: you suddenly turned around and voted Guardian. What's the hint? I thought you were hinting that you're a cop, but in this situation that would mean goblin finder, but Twomz was our goblin finder. Nvm if you can't explain, but for now I don't see this as a defense or something.

That's fine. I can defend myself later if I need to.

[mikeburnfire]

I could be down with a mass claim.

[mikeburnfire]

I'd vote Rogueben, but CES makes me nervous. I'll hold off on my vote for now.

[mikeburnfire]

This is true.

[mikeburnfire]

I will also request confirmation.

[mikeburnfire]

I am not a mason with Roguben.

vote: rogueben

[mikeburnfire]

Good game everybody! The fact that the town had to resort to letting the mafia cross-kill each other is somewhat shameful, but, well.... means to an end. Glad we won.

Especially commendable to you, ooba. You seemed to be very useful in this game, and you correctly guessed most of my investigations. The only one you got wrong was the last one, as Stoof took away my ability when I asked everybody to state their alligiences.

I'm a bit surprised that The Fonz was scum, but not surprised that CES is scum in the least.

[mikeburnfire]

MBF - you get anything interesting with your Lie Detecting?

Yeah! I was defending Thok since the beginning, I cast the first vote on Guardian on D2, and I kept telling everybody there was more than one goblin.