Micro 691: Just Mafia (Game Over)

[Aj The Epic]

But setup spec afaik doesn't play a part in actual setups determining power.

[Maxous]

oh shit.

i didn't realise the deadline was today

sorry, hold on

[Maxous]

town!doctor & town!watcher in a 9p would be ridiculously broken.

town!doctor & town!tracker still sounds sketch. less broken but still powerful in 9p

town!watcher & town!tracker...maybe?

[Maxous]

its hard to see Tenshii!scum counter-claiming horror!town.

[Maxous]

yeah..i still think LUV is lying here.

[Maxous]

unless Tenshii is scum WITH Horrordude..then Tenshii is town.

i cannot see watcher + protective in 9 players.

[Aj The Epic]

If there's a quiet PR still, 2 claims lied. But in that case, it's ridiculous to imagine Tenshii being scum knowing his partner already claimed PR.

[Aj The Epic]

i cannot see watcher + protective in 9 players.

See I'm thinking this too, but it's still soo risky to lynch out LuV here.

[Aj The Epic]

Unless protective is like BG or something, in which case this is a basic lynch onto Horrordude.

[Maxous]

Uzi has to be scum i think.

because even if scum have a role to counter that stuff like a ninja or a roleblocker..sure if the scum PR got lynched Day 1 then it's literally game over because the protective and the watcher would just endlessly cover each-other

[Aj The Epic]

Yeah, again UNLESS it's a BG.

But I'm still not sure I like to see a Watcher/Tracker combo in same game. It's probably even more powerful than an odd/even cop pair.

[Sobolev Space]

Should Uzi full claim now?

I can already tell I hate closed setups.

[Aj The Epic]

Closed setups are beautiful due to this situation. It's just normally we'd have more time.

[horrordude0215]

Ugh, setup speculation hurts my head.

I still want a Hiraki lynch fwiw. I have a stronger read on him than anyone else.

[Maxous]

But I'm still not sure I like to see a Watcher/Tracker combo in same game. It's probably even more powerful than an odd/even cop pair.

it's entirely possible 2 claims are lying.

but i'm sticking to my "why the fuck would scum!tenshii counter-claim town!horror" read

[Aj The Epic]

Uzi, fullclaim.

VOTE: LuV

[Tenshii]

Scum is sitting pretty with all of these full claims

[Sobolev Space]

<5 hours to deadline yay

[Aj The Epic]

Full claims to 'i'm an investigative role' is mostly the same thing to scum, but distinctly different for town sorting it.

[Maxous]

alright it's midnight GMT here and i got work in the morning.

i'll set an alarm to check in just before deadline, in case my vote is needed.

I think Uzi is the best lynch personally

[Sobolev Space]

Post 420

Also can anyone explain why we don't trust the Uzi claim when there's been no CC?

[Sobolev Space]

Like my prior is that 1 protective 1 investigative is more likely than 2 investigative

[horrordude0215]

Protect/investigative is definitely a more common setup, but multiple inspects isn't unheard of.

[Hiraki]

I still want a Hiraki lynch fwiw. I have a stronger read on him than anyone else.

You don't have to repeat something 10 times for people to understand.

I didn't think I'd be here but I'll be on until the end. That being said, let's get some backlog out of the way:

It also would be awesome if you didn't waste space lying about the reasons people wanted LuV lynched.

Great, let's go over this:

Uzi is L-1 as of 304 with the following on the wagon:

A) Maxous
B) Sobolev Space
C) Aj the Epic
D) Darklyn

Here are the reasons given:

A)

Uzi just wants somebody else to end the day do he can stay off wagons and avoid giving any stance.

Wow...a flaky player being...flaky - I'm SURE that has NOTHING to do with what I just said!

Meh. I do.
I think his reads are shallow

In reference to the above, I wonder if this has ANY coincidence!

you don't lurk the game and give no effort to defend yourself as a doctor
if you're a town protective you will put more effort into getting the wagon off of you so you don't have to claim

The same argument can be made for the reverse tbh.

Out of everyone's comments, these are at least the most thought provoking. I wonder why I TR Max!

B)

VOTE: Lil Uzi

Who do you think could be scum then?

That's what I'm trying to figure out.

Try harder.

Voting him for being lurky and flaky? Check!

C)

LuV's play this game actually bothers me, and I consider myself fairly aquatinted with his bad habits of sounding scummy early. Here particularly, he's been as brief as possible with no real advancement to the game.

"He is flaky and lurky"

This iteration of LuV is unusual even for him, though. LuV normally ATTEMPTS to have reads, even if they're not very unique.

wow a meta attack, this is some good scumhunting dude

Actually, thinking on it: LuV's conclusion in 203 contradicts his conclusion in 173. If you're not clicking links, 173 is his "let's end the day now" post and 203 is his "I think Aj/Max is tvt" explanation, from his earlier statement that Tenshii/Max/Myself is tvtvt.

173 does not say "let's end the day now" so your entire argument here crumbles pretty quickly.

Prolonging the day doesn't do any good.

In response to Horrordude saying that he'll put an L-1 vote on AJ before the deadline.

LUV

never

says that he wants to end the day. His question is literally:

What do you want to accomplish before you put him at L-1?

Which has NOTHING to do with ending the day early!

D)

It gives some decent ones for AJ and Maxous

In response to me saying that the LUV lynch produces no information. No response was given to this post. In fact, Darklyn asks LUV later on who he wants to lynch.

So - I apologize. You're not wrong. The wagon isn't EXCLUSIVELY on lurky attacks. Here's what else is on the wagon:

A) META
B) False claims
C) An overall bad vote from Darklyn that was not followed up on

You put AJ at L-2 on Page 4 by sheeping someone else's "case", admitting it's a weak vote... AJ calls you out and tells you the vote is weak, so he's scum?

Yes. We've already had this argument. You're clearly not with me. Oh wait! Should we re-visit this little snippet!

Based on AJ's recent reactions (trying to go powertown and dictate to everyone who the lynch is going to be), Hiraki's vote on him feels like a weak attempt to bus a partner.

Hmm...that's odd...it seems that you

noticed

the change and just made it fit your agenda! Good looks!

Clown case is good.

Clown case hasn't changed since Page 4. Never change Toto.

You seem to be attacking Hiraki for a weak case on AJ, but I think you had some issues with AJ yourself. Can you clarify this?

No! I said don't change! Don't start to look around a little bit!

I have no intention of lynching Uzi or Tenshii after the following 2 pages.

[Umlaut]

Yo mama so impatient she steals pagebottoms