In post 1248, mastina wrote:However, I also have about equal experience with ThinkBig. If ThinkBig acts a way I expect him to act as town (I think he is), then that townread is augmented. If ThinkBig acts in a way I expect him to as scum (I don't think he has), then that townread would be thrown into question. (There's also the fact that ThinkBig could easily have hammered me if he were scum, and receive virtually no flak for it, so. That, too.)
I cannot possibly imagine what mastina thinks that ThinkBig would be doing as town that coincides with what he has actually been doing.
Other than transparently useless posts (of which there are many), you have gems like
Null at absolute best (good town would actually bother to look up the case, or engage with people who are pushing Alisae, or do SOMETHING to try and solve; lazy town could post this though so it's basically null)
In post 1138, ThinkBig wrote: In post 1137, mastina wrote: Can I just comment on how appropriate this comment is with your Amish avatar?
It is actually Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, the Rebbe of the Chabad movement. And I meant Chris, not Christ. I hate auto wreck.
Anyway I am still reading the game and should have content to produce tomorrow.
Said content never really came. SHOCKING.
In post 1151, ThinkBig wrote: In post 1135, mastina wrote:To be honest. This is actually my stance right now. The lemonator slot is actually a larger scumread than Alisae. I think Alisae is scum, but I'm not absolutely sure; I'm pretty damn sure that lemonator's slot is scum.
If you are more confident in Chris' slot being scum, why are you voting for Alisae over him?
Just about the one and only time there's a suggestion of a potential opportunistic hop towards chris (making them less likely). The relatively empty theory question is debatably ThinkBig's BEST contribution to the thread to date, despite it's just a question that doesn't bother saying anything about what HE thinks (tho there's an implication here of preferring a chris to alisae lynch)
Theory question
: Is it better to lynch a player who is more likely to flip scum or a player who's flip would be more informative to town?
In post 1152, ThinkBig wrote:
I've played several games with Grey/RC. They always seem to get into some sort of fight regardless of alignment. Hell, I even get into fights with Grey/RC.
No real opinion or substance here.
In post 1153, ThinkBig wrote: In post 1145, Darklyn wrote:ChrisOrmie is basically sheeping Alisae like I suspected he would, lulz
Um...I don't see Chris sheeping Alisae. Am I missing something here?
Ignoring obvious context, along with a clear intention to defend chris
In post 1155, ThinkBig wrote: In post 1081, DogWatch wrote:There's also something to be said for the ulti/pieg/lemon slot being replaced AGAIN.
I would agree with this if this wasn't a newbie game. In
Newbie 1746, for example, there was a slot that had 3 people replace out. That slot flipped town jailkeeper.
VERY CLEAR intention to defend chris. He's working to defray attention away from that slot. NO ONE noticed this. Also in terms of productive substance it's entirely defense-oriented, which is much more natural scum behavior. Also "ooh this counter-example happened that one time" is a substance-less objection. Mastina's poitn is that it makes it LIKELY that chris is scum, TB just effectively says "well yeah but it's not certain".
In post 1156, ThinkBig wrote: In post 1136, mastina wrote: In post 1083, Icy wrote:It seems to me that the town learns so much more from a Alisae flip than a Lemon flip.
This is also true though, since the slot hasn't produced actual content basically all game. The closest was pieg, and even there, not really much. pieg asked lots of questions, but didn't really do much with them. (The closest we get is casting shade on oldwino, which reduces the chance of the newbie-scumteam. Also,
584 looks like pieg knew oldwino was town.)
I disagree with your interpretation of this post. HOWEVER, I will say that it is quite telling that he says that lurking is anti-town behavior and then requests a replacement.
Wishy-washy, no meat at all to the post.
In post 1157, ThinkBig wrote: In post 1148, Alisae wrote: In post 1147, DogWatch wrote:do we actually know icy was attacked? could there have been no night action at all?
townslip and even if this isn't a townslip I don't see why scum would push this narative.
Occam's Razor deduces that Icy was attacked rather then Scum pulling a no-kill gambit.
I have to agree with you here.
Empty +1.
In post 1158, ThinkBig wrote:Dogwatch is my top town read right now. I would like to try and sort ChrisOrmie, mastina, and alisae. I like Chris' entrance, though I was not a big fan of what I saw from some of his predecessors.
Sheeps the consensus about the #1 town. Says he wants to sort chris/mastina/alisae, says he likes chris while hedging
nothing post
empty vote
In post 1175, ThinkBig wrote:Nice shades. I actually miscounted and thought I put you at L-2.
Anyway what is your case against Grey/My slot?
demands alisae produce a case against his slot (as if that hadn't already happened)
In post 1177, ThinkBig wrote:Can you point those out and why you think it is scum aligned opportunistic?
demands someone else do work, no substance here either
In post 1178, ThinkBig wrote:You came in here and admitted the only thing you bothered to read was Grey's ISO. It seems like you were hell bent on tunneling on Grey before you even came in.
accuses Alisae of being biased and exhibiting unethical OOG behavior. Also this comes from a "you're town" perspective WHILE HE IS VOTING HIM
In post 1182, ThinkBig wrote: In post 978, Alisae wrote:Staaaawp.
Grey is going to get townread as either alignment majority of the time. One of the things about his scumgame is A. He hates playing scum and B. Either way his game is going to be clean.
There's a contradiction here. You are saying that you are confident that Grey/my slot is scum, yet you are saying that his game is going to be clean. How do those two possibly connect?
Minor point at absolute best. The obvious implication here is "Grey plays scum well but I can read him" which is of course more or less exactly what Alisae answers. It's a transparently lazy question that answers itself, along with an explicit accusation of a contradiction when it's pretty transparent no contradiction exists.
In post 1185, ThinkBig wrote:Alisae, if you're actually town, then you really need to pull out of your tunnel and confirmation bias. Did you learn anything from
Witch Trial's Mafia? The TVT bullshit from you and dreal cost town the game. I'm not having a repeat of that here.
"We're TvT" Given the context of TB voting Alisae, this is a SUPER scummy post. Also amusing that mastina picks up on this from Chris, but not from TB, but she seems to be incredibly weak to conf!bias and ossified opinions so *shrugs*
In post 1188, ThinkBig wrote:Um you were death tunneling me at twilight 1 and from what I recall, you still TR'd Grey even after his god awful hammer.
"You're being bad town" once again
empty observation, does nothing with it
In post 1225, ThinkBig wrote:I don't like how quickly the wagon on mastina formed and don't like Alisae's jump from me to mastina. Mastina's frustration feels town. Masina/Alisae is probably not a team.
wagon speed is a bad argument. defends mastina but doesn't really DO anything about it. weak objection to a L-1 wagon, the sort of thing that would never convince anyone to actually move off the wagon, just a "well I oppose it" nearly empty stance
In post 1230, ThinkBig wrote:
Where is the sleeping? Him sheeping would have been him voting me, not him voting you and Formica new wagon
Objects to the push against chris. Funny how often this happens
In post 1236, ThinkBig wrote:@mastina, thanks for that information. I did some browsing in the archives and found that day 1 scum lynches were more likely to result in a scum win than a town win.
1) this is probably bullshit
2) who cares? he isn't doing a damn thing with this observation
In post 1242, ThinkBig wrote: In post 1241, mastina wrote:So are you a fucking hypocrite, or just opportunistic scum willing to drop literally everything about Grey just because it's convenient?
^^ This. So much this.
I really hate how Alisae's wagon got derailed and how your wagon got to L-1 in less than 4 hours.
Sheeps mastina's objection on wagon speed, doesn't actually DO anything with that, including, you know, SORTING the people on her wagon
In post 1244, ThinkBig wrote: In post 1243, Alisae wrote: In post 1241, mastina wrote: In post 1201, Alisae wrote:VOTE: mastina
If I can't get the Grey slot, I'll go get mastina.
Hey Alisae.
You placed this L-1 vote, yes?
So are you a fucking hypocrite, or just opportunistic scum willing to drop literally everything about Grey just because it's convenient?
No, I'm saying TB does that. AKA that's apart of his meta.
I usually don't do that stuff.
1. I put you at L-2. Not L-1.
2. I really hate using meta because it can be easily manipulated and exploited.
1) Who cares. Factual objection that doesn't really matter
2) Empty objection, doesn't do anything with it other than objecting to Alisae's usage of it
In post 1247, ThinkBig wrote: In post 1246, mastina wrote:If that doesn't tell you my wagon is driven by scum, I don't know WHAT will.
I completely agree with this. The way Chris derailed Alisae's wagon and Alisae was quick to hop on to the wagon gives even more credibility to an Alisae/Chris scum team.
Likes an Alisae/Chris team, while pushing against any shade on chris, and making numerous posts suggesting that Alisae is simply bad/biased town.
This is seriously not hard. And I have not the slightest clue what mastina expects from town!TB that somehow she thinks she is seeing here