Mini 549 (Tarhalindur Mostly Mountainous) - Game Over

[SlySly]

vote: thenextepisode

for not turning the page on his avatar calendar.

[SlySly]

Clearly you have me pegged.

To clearly peg one, would a translucent stake be required?

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I was calling thenextepisode Clearly.

Is calling thenextepisode Clearly anything like picking the wrong week to stop sniffin glue?

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UNVOTE, VOTE: EARWIG

Yes, I realize that puts Earwig at 3 votes - no danger of lynch yet.

Isn't red text reserved for the mod?

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Trying to get in my good graces Earwig? Scum...

No, I'm trying to make everyone think we're scum buddies by defending you.

I'm not sure it is a good idea to convince everyone that you are scum.

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UNVOTE, VOTE: EARWIG

Yes, I realize that puts Earwig at 3 votes - no danger of lynch yet.

Isn't red text reserved for the mod?

I don't think so? ... if I'm wrong -- mod feel free to edit my post, I apologize!

My apologies. I played a game recently where red was reserved for mod. Thanks for clarification Tar.

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Blackberry, the behavior they are talking about is one I've heard described as "lurking in plain sight". It is scummy behavior to me.

I still argue there is no such thing as "looking active," you are either active or not action. Posting content or not posting content. Being active and posting content are two unrelated concepts that do not intertwine.

This is just semantics. I believe you know what they are talking about. Why split hairs with an argument over "active" and "content"? What do you think about Jester's comments concerning Rosso's posts 26, 28, and 33?

Are you quoting yourself to cause confusion?

[SlySly]

Satisfied?

I think it is the consensus of the town that a full explanation of your theory would be satisfactory.

[SlySly]

I think it is the consensus of myself that the town can bite me.

Is it possible to be more pro-town than this?

unvote

vote:Blackberry

[SlySly]

Only if you're Battousi

No offense to Battousai, but QFT!!!

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its his own theory, and although i think it might be helpful, its just metagaming. and metagaming does not win games.

Well hello! You must have forgotten to login as BlackBerry

I think it is worth noting how quick Blackberry and Rosso Carne are to defend each other.

[SlySly]

I think it is the consensus of myself that the town can bite me.

Is it possible to be more pro-town than this?

unvote

vote:Blackberry

I'm sorry, can you please explain to me how it is scummy that I won't share my theory?

OMG BLACKBERRY WON'T SHARE HIS THEORY, HE MUST BE SCUM.

Yeah, that makes total sense to me *rolls eyes.*

Even though bringing up a theory and then vehemently refusing to share it is obviously scummy, I don't care about your theory, it sounded like humor to me anyway. My vote has everything to do with you separating yourself from the town.

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I don't believe I am seperating myself from the town because I want to keep my thoughts to myself. Seperating myself from the town would be saying I hope town loses or something, lol.

That, or something like...

I think it is the consensus of myself that the town can bite me.

I don't think this comment can be mistaken as town inclusion.

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Why would the mafia draw attention to himself/herself by telling the town to bite them?

Because mafia can make human errors and forget that words in this game must be chosen very carefully and then just want everyone to let them off of the hook for it.

Don't give me that WIFOM crap, it's stupid.

WIFOM seems to always get claimed when one has no defense for their own stupid comment(s).

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..........................Earwig, I'm happy because you are scum and my vote is on you. berry is suspect though...............

Would you be willing to provide reasons?

Earwig, are you asking Tamuz for reasons as to why he thinks you are scum or are you asking him why he thinks berry is suspect?

The question seems a little unclear to me.

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Vote: Tamuz

for not responding, and for not explaining.

Tamuz had posted several times between your question and your vote, so I don't see your vote as unreasonable.

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Vote: Tamuz

for not responding, and for not explaining.

Delayed OMGUS, interesting.

Tamuz, how is Earwig's vote an OMGUS vote?

Unless you overlooked Earwig's posting prior to his vote, I don't understand how you can call it OMGUS as his vote has clear reasoning behind it.

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On what point are you being OMGUS'd? I didn't see a reason for your vote. Earwig's vote seems to be a prod for an answer from you. He did provide 2 more reasons for his vote than you did for yours after all.

Tamuz, it appears I am not the only one questioning your defining Earwig's vote as an OMGUS vote.

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First you didn't answer Earwig's question and now it seems you are not going to attempt to answer Ecto's question. Are you purposely establishing this pattern of ignoring the questioning from others or is this something you are doing unknowingly?

[SlySly]

You two quit muddying the waters by being too dim to understand each other.

In my experiences, I have noticed that scum love to swim in muddy water and like to perpetuate it.

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Ecto and Blackberry,

What exactly do you not like about Johoo's post?

Is it ...

1. His complaining about old arguments without presenting any of his own?
2. His poor math by stating there were 5 lynch possibilities and listing 6?
3. His generalizing categorizations of each poster?
4. His poor list presentation where his 6th list entry is buried in a later paragraph?
5. His eagerness to put a vote on someone for nothing other than pressure?
6. His inferred request to be lead to a lynch target?

Other than these little things, I didn't see much wrong with the post.

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Roger, roger.

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EBWOP

roger, Roger.

[SlySly]

RC and Blackberry's continual defense of each other reeks of a scum partnership to me. A vote for one or the other is the same in my eyes, so in an attempt to help move the game forward, I will...

unvote

vote:Rosso Carne

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Agreed, ROTN. ryan's so off his normal track in this game I'm tempted to think he might be a bad guy.

FOS: ryan

My normal track?

Apparently you have quite a reputation. In a game I played recently, my posting style was compared to yours. Paraphrasing what Korlash said, "You post just like Ryan, and oh how I hate Ryan."

Keep up the good work. Anyone that Korlash hates can't be all bad!!

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Agreed, ROTN. ryan's so off his normal track in this game I'm tempted to think he might be a bad guy.

FOS: ryan

My normal track?

Apparently you have quite a reputation. In a game I played recently, my posting style was compared to yours. Paraphrasing what Korlash said, "You post just like Ryan, and oh how I hate Ryan."

Keep up the good work. Anyone that Korlash hates can't be all bad!!

TRANSLATION: "I am SlySly, mafia partner of ryan.

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Nice. I didn't see this one coming.

I guess I set myself up for it.

What you are trying to infer here is way off target. My comments were in no way a defense of Ryan's play or opinions thus far in the game. In fact, I think the hammering of the "theory" is ridiculous. The "theory" quote was a joke and not worthy of voting about. My vote has nothing to do with Ryan's reasoning.

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If anyone puts him at L-1 i WILL unvote until the case is stronger, because we dont want to quicklynch anyone.

This sounds scummy. IMO, if you are going to vote someone, you should support their lynch and not retract when they reach L-1. If your intention is to retract at the last minute, why bother voting? Well, that would make sense if you are scum trying to distance from you partner, of course.

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I hate scum pairings this early.

Hate it or not, some scum can't help from exposing themselves, even early, with persistent defenses of each other.

In this case, the scum angel has 3 angles.

Your scum angels' 3 angles are reasonable and your unvote sure makes it seem as though you believe angle 2. I don't necessarily agree.

As town angel has little explanation for me...

Your town angel told me he thinks that TheNextVI's post #242 is more or less just my post #230 repeated with a scummy retraction disclaimer stuck to the end of it. Though the retraction disclaimer is scummy, IMO, the rest of the post isn't and it could just be the bad play of a VI.

This is not a defense of TheNextVI. I really don't like him repeating my post and then attaching scumminess to the end of my reasoning.

IGMEOY:TheNextPlagiarizer

I think RC is a much more reasonable lynch candidate as his seemingly perpetual defense of BB has been far scummier than this one incidence of VI play from TheNextVI.

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The horrible excuse in #247 is the thing that that seals TNE's deal for me, however.... And more importantly, how did you know that you were putting RC at L-2 if you went straight to "reply" from post #229?

I, too, would love to hear TNE's answer to this question. We may have a lynch all liars situation on our hands here.

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How did getting straight up from the post to the post reply at the top give you the info that your vote put RC at L-2?

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no i mean, he had 3 votes. and i put on the 4th, which is L-2.

so,

1) do you not pay attention to the vote count posting by the mod?
2) are you REALLY bad at math?
3) are you lying now to cover up your previous lie?

I think it is #3. LAL!

unvote

vote:TheNextEpisode

Putting the 4th vote on him only put him at L-3. It takes 7 to lynch.

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IGMEOY: BB and RC

So you 2 scum buddies don't get the wrong impression that you 2 are now flying under the radar. You're not!!!!

[SlySly]

Jester + Mountainous=contradiction much?

Did you miss the word "Mostly" ???

[SlySly]

The fact that RC is happy with his vote makes me think TNE may not be scum.

While I am re-reading and thinking things over....

unvote

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Is it a scumtell when someone focuses on a case in which they feel very strongly that they are correct about?

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I see your point.

At this point in the game, I'm not sure that further exploration into your point is beneficial to the town. It might even be anti-town.

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nope. theyre bull.

Being town in this game is almost unfair.

RC's posts are so in depth and informative, it is like reading everyone's role PMs exactly as the mod wrote them!!!

Keep up the good work RC!!

vote: Rosso Carne

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Welcome aboard, Battousai!!! It is a shame that you missed the random voting stage. I know how much you love that part of the game!

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I understand you have to take my word with a pinch of salt because BB looked anything but squeaky clean himself, and resultantly I could be maf.

Your predecessor was very scummy. I think your predecessor was scum. I noticed throughout all of your post, you never even once tried to deny the scumminess of your predecessor and your role, but, here you have reconfirmed the possibility of the scuminess of your role. Nice playing by you, but doesn't change the facts.

I can't get past RC's play as it's either APPALLING town play or clumsy scum play. The same is, however, true of TNE.

RC and BB have BY FAR out-scummed TNE in this game IMO.

I'm struggling to decide who I would prefer to see gone at the end of D1 given their play. My vote stays on TNE for now, mostly for votecount reasons. However, we really do need answers from RC, badly.

Votecount reasons?? Come on!!

Nice way of trying to distance from RC. If I were RC's scum partner, I would try to point that finger at TNE's newbie-ness too.

You are a much better player than your predecessor and your partner so I will save my vote to lynch you until tomorrow after we have gotten rid of RC.

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At the risk of seeming OMGUS-y, are you trying to set up the D2 lynch on me already? Don't you think that's a little premature?

IMO, if you aren't thinking ahead in this game, you are falling behind.

I'm hoping you're just an overzealous townie jumping the gun.

I have gotten myself in trouble on this site by overzealously posting too many of my thoughts.

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SlySly

. Your inital posts were full of absolutely nothing, which always pings my scumdar.

It seems to me that what you are saying here is that you have no sense of humor and that you are one of those players that takes the random voting stage far too seriously and attempts to make something scummy out of nothing.

You were a major perpetuator of the Blackberry theory water-muddying, and your attacks on people are usually laced with something insulting.

Well, Pester, when scum are being scummy, should I give them a warm fuzzy instead?

You've also been spreading your attacks all over the place, notably Blackberry, RC, Tamuz, Earwig, joohoohno, and TNE.

Some people seem to believe that suspecting everyone is very pro-town seeing how the town really doesn't know who is who. Sorry I do not have my blinders on to attach my tunnel vision to just one player.

I really didn't care for your 245, in which you state that you believe TNE is the village idiot, but then go right ahead and vote him anyway.

I really don't care that you don't care.

Still, within the overall scope of your posts, you've been fairly consistent.
If you're scum, you're pretty good at it. I'm not going to FOS you just yet, but I definitely don't trust you.

Townies shouldn't trust anyone until they have good reason.

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Fat Tony,

Sure is convenient that you jump off of your partners' lynch when he hits L-1. I pretty much expected as much. You attempt at distancing yourself from RC by voting him didn't go unnoticed, nor was it effective.

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Excuse me, I thought he was at L-1. He was only at L-2 it seems.

You jumped of one spot sooner than I thought you would.

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SlySly:

• In the beginning SlySly seems to be a bit uninterested or relaxed (post like 39 and 45 don’t give much information and posts 88 and 110 are dull and slow). But all of a sudden SlySly’s game improve a lot (from post 122 and onwards). Seems to me to be a change of strategy.

There is a simple explanation for this. I was more involved in another game at the beginning. I was recently lynched which gives me more time for this game.

Do a little meta on my play and you will see that I am frequently accused of being scum because I am by nature a more blunt than most. It seems to me that alot of veteran players here often mistake this trait of mine as being a scumtell.

The town has no reason to be concerned by my existence.

And you are right, I have stayed off of you for the most part. I think maybe the frequent defenses between RC and BB just had me to a point where I was satified that both were scummy and a lynch of either would be a lynch I would be in support of. But since you brought it up and with all the attention on you now, I think maybe I should do a OMGUS reread on you and see if you may be scimmier than I first suspected. I do recall at least one very scummy post from you. IGMEOY.

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People can play this game and be nasty about it, or can remember that it's a game, and even the scum are trying to have some fun. Attack the role, not the player. Attack what the player says, don't call him names. There are times when a little hostility is a good tactic -- when you're trying to rattle someone into making a mistake, for instance. But all the time? No, I don't think that's necessary, and it certainly isn't fun for anyone except the person doing it.

You need a little cheese to go with that whine? It has been a few games since I have had to call the WAAAHMBULANCE on someone!!!

You play your game and I will play mine.

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I have unintentionally been the bad playing townie before and was lynched early.

I have been the scum lynching the bad playing townie.

I would have to say, a bad townie does give scum an advantage of being able to essentially get on the bad townie wagon and hope for a night kill. At that point, it's 2 town down and advantage scum.

I think it is always pro-town to keep townies around whether they are playing bad or not. I think it is always scummy to promote a town lynch in any way. If you suspect a player that is playing bad is town, you should not vote, vig or harm in any way.

The town safety is in the numbers.

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Bias should not be carried from game to game as far as playing your role goes. However, witnessing horrendous play from a player in one game is hard to just erase from your memory when you find yourself in another game with them.

I don't sense any "vote this guy because he was terrible in another game" going on here.

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If RC is the Jester, does everyone lose if we lynch him?

His play couldn't be any more anti-town than it is. So much so that it is becoming painfully obvious his play style is anti-town and on purpose.

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Some people really need to thicken their skin.

If I quit every time I got attacked, I'd rarely last passed the first post.

I really hate the, "WAAAAAHHHHH, this game is not fun for me because someone is attacking me so I quit." If think if that is your mindset, you shouldn't play mafia.

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Once again, for those blinded by the recent bs, if RC is the Jester and we lynch him, does he win and everyone else loses?

I have never been part of a game with a Jester before so I don't know.

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Sly, stop. If you've even read anything I've played I don't just quit when I get attacked. This is different.

That is why this situation has me perplexed. From what I have seen of you prior to this game, I have gathered that you are a good player. I am disappointed this game has turned out this way.

Hopefully, if we end up in another game together, things will be more like I have seen in the past.

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My vote on you is now locked and I summarily ignore and dismiss the remainder of your post unless your innocence is proved upon your death.

This doesn't seem very beneficial for the town.

QFT.

Sounds as though Jester is saying that he is locked on and unwillingly to hear any other perspective no matter how reasonable it is and how much sense it makes.

That depends entirely on your alignment, wouldn't you say? I'm convinced you're scum, so I'm quite happy with where my vote is.

Unless something major happens (and I'm not sure the Tamuz whining qualifies), this will be my last post until after deadline.

I thought this attitude was a little fishy the first time, now it is starting to sound scummy.

What major could happen to make you post again? Maybe someone other than your scumbuddy(I have no suspicion of a scum connection to you at the moment but IGMEOY) reaching L-1 so you can change your vote to hammer an innocent?

I would have put a vote on you for these comments Jester, but I went back and looked at the posts that Johoonoo quoted you from and I noticed that he had really kind of taken you out of context by just stripping the part of your quote that would make his statement have more weight. I have to point back out what he cut out because I agree with your evaluation of a lie Johoonoo made.

Well, it’s the truth, I have had the same people on my scum list all along since my post 169.

Gotcha! That's a lie. You said in one of your follow-up posts that your 169 "scum list" wasn't your list of suspects, but just a list of people who had votes up to that point. Can't remember the post number, but I'm gonna find it. My vote on you is now locked and I summarily ignore and dismiss the remainder of your post unless your innocence is proved upon your death.

QFT. J's statement you pointed is a lie and he took you out of context to shift blame to you so others would not come back to this post to see the truth.

unvote:RC

vote:Johoonoo

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After reading through things again, RC and BB/Fat Tony still sound scummy all the way through. It started with frequent defenses of each other which got changed to ridiculousness and distance after Fat Tony replaced in.

Ecto, your latest vote shift and reasoning seem a bit over the edge and I find myself questioning your motives. Throughout the game, you seem to have directed and shifted your probes thoughtfully and efficiently. However, this last attack on Tamuz seems to almost come out of nowhere and also seems based on less ammunition than your previous attacks while you seemingly have more conviction on this weaker attack than you had with your previous stronger attacks. Not only did Tamuz not attempt to get anyone to vote on Battousai, he himself never voted or FOS'd him. Maybe I have the advantage of being in the game with Tamuz and Battousai, but I really don't see Tamuz carrying his bias over to this game from the other game considering his voting and FOS patterns in this game.

I didn't like Johoonoo's early game setup speculation but if his early theory is correct, there would be no better candidate for having 'lone ranger'-ness in this game than you.

IGMEOY: Ectomancer

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It would sure be nice for Earwig to join us. If he can't, a replacement might be a good thing to consider.

Battousai, don't fear taking part. Remember, in the game that is causing your grief in this one, you had an evil scum helping to make you look really bad. It wasn't all your fault, though the 1st post role innuendo was a gem!!

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You dont' see it as scummy? You dont win many mafia games do you?

I see your points and agree to a certain extent. If Tamuz had actually made a move on Battousai, I would agree 100%, but he didn't. Everything he said was theory for if he had been a different role.

I'm not sure, but I think my win/loss record is 2-1. I am eating my Wheaties and am hoping to grow into a great scum hunting exposer someday.

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unvote

vote:mozsuggs

Claiming scum is a lynchable offense.

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There is no bigger anti-town move than claiming scum, joke or not. The lynch of the day is now obviously Mozsuggs. His scum claim combined with the scumminess of his predecessors makes it painfully obvious.

At this point, I will be suspicious of anyone that doesn't support Moz's lynch.

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I see no reason to believe scum is more likely than town to make the statement Moz did.

1. I didn't imply that Moz was scum. Your statement makes it sound as though I did. I did, however, accuse both of his predecessors of being scum and for good reason.

2. Moz's join date was in Feb. I'm willing to bet that in his

self-proclaimed

newb-ness, Moz, before being asked if he claimed scum, thought that his Mafia Roleblocker role somehow gave him the ability to block the actions of scum.

3. Moz did claim scum. His role must be exposed now. Due to his claim, his existence is now anti-town and pro-scum. It is greatly in the scums' advantage for Moz to live as it will keep the town guessing while the scum know the truth and can always bring the question of his scumminess back into the light at any time.

The scum know whether he is lying or not, the town doesn't. That is BAD for the town!! My vote will not change as there will be no better lynch candidate on this day, especially with the deadline looming. I know how short 5 days can be, especially with active lurkers in the game.

I can clearly see how scum would not be in support of Moz's lynch. Your non-support of lynching a pro-scum player sounds awfully scummy to me.

FOS: Ectomancer

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Hmm, good sophistry.
But as i am town, just the most hopeless load of old balls.

It does take quite a set of balls to call someone else a sophist when you yourself, in only 6 posts in this game, have already claimed both scum and town. Your credibility is shot now which is why you must be todays' lynch.

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Brother, you downright stated that anyone who didn't support Moz's lynch would be suspicious. Are you seriously trying to tell me that isn't "implying" that he is scum?

I can understand you not wanting to follow someone on to a wagon but anyone not in favor of lynching Moz is in favor of keeping a pro-scum player alive and, IMO, that is suspicious and anti-town.

I didn't imply that Moz is scum. At this point, it really doesn't matter if he is town or he is scum. His play has been pro-scum and there is really nothing he can do to make himself pro-town in this game again.

No matter what happens or what he does, the town will have to wonder if his scum claim is true or not. This fact is the reason why Moz must be the lynch of the day.

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Unfortunately, there is very little we can do to prevent him from acting in an offensive.

Uh, we can lynch his rude, scummy ass and nip this pro-scum problem in the bud.

We should look for someone we actually think is scum, not someone who we just think is not helping the town.

I actually thought both of his predecessors were scum and clearly stated such. I do think Moz is scum, but it really doesn't matter at this point. I was just clarifying that I didn't imply that Moz was scum in the statement that Ecto implied that I did.

Go back and read my thoughts on Blackberry and FatTony. My thoughts on this role have been as consistent throughout this game as yours have been on Johoonoo.

My vote will not change. There will be no better lynch candidate for this day because of Moz's scum claim. His alignment will be anti-town WIFOM from here on out. He does not need to survive into tomorrow.

[SlySly]

looks a bit suspicious-as if i am town

That's a big IF.

Welcome to the rest of this WIFOM game if Moz is allowed to survive.